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Posted: 1/10/2006 10:27:22 AM EDT
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What's with the holes/honeycomb pattern on the santoprene buttpad? Does it serve some specific purpose or is it just for weight reduction? Thanks,
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:07:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:15:25 PM EDT
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That's a slick locking mechanism you got there.
I'm interested in getting one for my future lightweight CAR build project. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:19:35 PM EDT
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So the lever on the inside of the stock is like you typical Car stock lever, and the larger one on the outside is the lock? |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:33:43 PM EDT
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I'm just curious... what prompted this as a replacement for the M93? The M93 seemed to be a pretty well liked stock from what I've seen of them around here.
Why not produce both? Personally, going off the pictures, I'd rather have this new one. I'm just wondering of the guys who have the M93 or were considering it, will they run out and replace them with this? |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:41:45 PM EDT
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The CTR isn't really a M93 replacment , thats the UBR.
My understanding is the M93 is hard and expensive to make. And they wanted to apply some of the lesons learned from the PRS to make a M93 replacment |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:43:16 PM EDT
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Psssst... you spelled "lever" wrong. How well do you suppose these would handle clearance drills? On plastic M4 stocks, the metal plunger can sometimes severly deform the plastic, causing wobble. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:44:39 PM EDT
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Actually the direct M93 replacement is the UBR which we do not have pictures to release yet. The UBR will fit right in between the CTR and the PRS. The CTR is envisioned as a simple and nimble lightweight stock to fill certain roles unsuitable for the UBR. The reason why the M93 is being replaced is that it is impossiable to build in any quantity. We sold more M93Bs in 6 months than all the M93s prior put together. The M93 buffer tube alone goes to 5 different locations to be made. Once we started building the M93 in quantity the flaws in production ment we had to move to a replacement. So why not start afresh and push the bounderies some more. We will have an upgrade program for M93 owners to the UBR and maybe to the CTR if needed. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:52:08 PM EDT
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My spelling sucks thanks. The deformation on M4 stocks is inherent in the way the plunger mech is supported in the stock body. There is not much there to support it. The CTR pin is supported far fatrher down than the regular CAR stock and so should take the impact better too. At least that is what the computer tests show but the truth will be when we do the test on the real stock body. We are building a stock smashing test jigto run all the stocks through too. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 5:55:30 PM EDT
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That looks like a fantastic stock Richard. The locking mechanism is pure genius. I love my M93s but I'll interested to see what the UBR is like. My favorite feature on the M93 is the LOP presets.
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:23:57 PM EDT
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Rich-
Let me get this straight, you made a lock for a lock, right? What's the main reason for that design? Is it for those that experience a problem with the conventional stock, by accidently bumping the latch, causing it to unlatch? Please teach me oh stock Guru! 
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:28:37 PM EDT
[#12]
yeah to prevent unintentional stock adjestment |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:33:00 PM EDT
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It seems to me that it's there to take the wobble out. The first lock pins it into the hole like any other. the second lock secures the stock to the buffer tube. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:34:39 PM EDT
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How will the optional recoil pad attach?
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:45:41 PM EDT
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Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner. The the main pin release is in a position not to get bumped but it is still using the spring pressure on the pin to hold the stock steady. Conventional CAR stocks try to elimnate any wobble by tighting the tolerances on the stockbody so there is little play. The shrink rate (due to heat and moisture) differs between the buffer and the stock body. So sometimes you can get a stock that is too tight or too loose just by changing locations. The friction lock (forward most one) is designed to take out the slack needed to move the stock and lock the unit up so it feels like a fixed (or pinned) stock. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 6:46:42 PM EDT
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It attaches by two screws but also clips in around the buffer tube area |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:00:48 PM EDT
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Did Tapco come up with this?
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:03:22 PM EDT
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Dood! Schweet! |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:06:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:13:28 PM EDT
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Wow, that's pretty Clever!
You just went one step further then Vltor. The main reason I bought the club foot Vltor stock was for the 'butterfly" latch. Like your stock, you can't accidently bump it and it doesn't have a snag issue. You just added a secondary latch. I look forward in checking out CTR, when avaliable. Thanks, wp |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:25:32 PM EDT
[#21]
No shit. I'll take one. I'll take a proto-type. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:27:55 PM EDT
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Will any dealers have this or will we have to order from the website. Can't wait to get my hands on one
-sigadvantage- |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:40:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Your not the only one  
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:44:18 PM EDT
[#24]
That collapsable stock is cool!
Will it be more sturdy than a run of the mill milspec one? |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:44:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Hey Rich, I found you some competition, NOT!!!
 This is DPMS's new abortion. I don't think you have a worry in the world. You can see it in Tactical Response magazine. |
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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:52:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2006 9:02:49 PM EDT
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Glee...Glee....SHOT Show......
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:14:19 AM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:22:32 AM EDT
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I understand you need mi-spec buffer tube stock to offer in this market, but you really let me and I'm sure others down. I've bought multiple magpuls awaiting the 'upgrades' such as those pictured in the manual...
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:24:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:26:13 AM EDT
[#31]
No he didn't. If you want the stuff in the M93 manual, that's the other stock, the 93 replacement, due out next. This is a new and different stock. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:28:28 AM EDT
[#32]
so the new additions won't be compatible with the present stocks? |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:47:55 AM EDT
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Can we Pre-Order
For $95 bucks, I'll be first 
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:54:07 AM EDT
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No pre buys, sorry. We like to take our time on releasing items now and holding on to peoples money is a sure way for us to rush out something that is not ready. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:02:59 AM EDT
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The M93 is life limited due to it's design not being made for production. If we have to rebuild the molds for production, why not start with a clean sheet of paper and build from what we have learned from the M93. This will also lead to more UBRs in service and therefore more accessories being released. Right now many of the M93 accessories (M203 tail) will never be made because there is just not enough market base to support them. Now if you have an M93 we will be giving you a great deal to the UBR upon it's release. I wish I could show you pictures the concept but things are just too fluid at the moment. In any case the UBR will do everything the M93 does only better. Actually it does lose one minor feature over the M93 but gains a big one in return. In ant case I think you will like the end result. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:18:07 AM EDT
[#36]
Looks like something Samco would make. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:20:17 AM EDT
[#37]
If you cannot share pics can you at least tell us what feature is being deleted and what feature is being added? Is it losing the presets to gain adjustable comb, somethign else? |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:42:35 AM EDT
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Ok, as of now, the UBR will not be able to ratchet back. Losing this feature allows us to add one that will let the UBR self friction lock as soon as the release leaver is released (no more pushing forward to lock) |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:50:10 AM EDT
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I have NO DOUBT you guys will make your present customers happy, you always have. There isn't a magpul product that doesn't amaze me ('cept for the mag bmuper pads that seem to 'do' nothing. those I don't get  ). But I DO hate to see all these stocks advertised as 'modular', like yours and vltors, when clearly (after how many years for vltor?) there were never any other modules planned. (ETA: planned by them.... You guys clealry had plans for some great ones) |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:51:27 AM EDT
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and as long as you get rid of the ratchet piece that bites into my thumb when closed, I'll GLADLY buy new ones to replace my 93's!
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Posted: 1/11/2006 9:28:33 AM EDT
[#41]
 That's EXACTLY what I was thinking.Rich, I have a question. The "surface texture" of the prototypes always looks kind of rough... obviously not shiny and pretty like the production versions. Is it the same material or is it some kind of rapid-prototyping resin material? I kind of think the rough, non-shiny is almost just as cool looking. Makes it more subdued, and therefore uber-tactical. 
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Posted: 1/11/2006 10:23:31 AM EDT
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When will the Magpul stock be availible? need one today...
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Posted: 1/11/2006 10:45:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2006 11:02:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2006 3:37:04 PM EDT
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 Shame on you. I guess you don't know what Magpul has done for the AR15 and you don't understand what good people Rich and his guys are... I formed a quick opinion of you from "that other thread" and now I'm convinced of what I originally thought. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 3:39:27 PM EDT
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classy...
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:52:48 PM EDT
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Rich -
First off, awesome looking design. Secondly, I understand the need to move past the M93B onto something better, but will anything "new" for the M93B ever be released? For example, on your website, there is a picture of a clip-on cheek piece for the M93, and ever since I saw that picture I have wanted one. Any plans for this, or other small parts, to be released (and I understand about the M203 tail as that targets a very small group of consumers). Sorry for the slight topic change! Thanks. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 4:53:45 PM EDT
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What I'm wondering, is if the UBR will be lighter or heavier than the M93. Can't wait to see what they come up with.
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:05:38 PM EDT
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 The people who want to talk about Vltor should take it to another thread as opposed to throwing in into this one. I don't see that as hard to understand. |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 5:10:52 PM EDT
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Whoops.
That was supposed to be a +1 and I was thinking I'd put the "classy" in the offender's quotation but I got really lost along the way... |
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