fail.

Again, if this was true, why aren't republican lawmakers jumping on this like red meat? Why didn't they jump on it in 2008, 2009, 2010?

Remember this: Candidates passport files breached  Obama did not have a US passport.

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WRONG.
Slip?
Home country? If you are Irish American, do you refer to Ireland as your "home" country?...I didn't think so.

His grandmother was quoted saying that she was present during obamas birth in Kenya.

Except that I've personally heard children of immigrants use the term 'home country' when referring to their parents' place of birth.  Heck, I've heard people who've had family here for over a century use 'home country' when referring to Ireland because way back in the day they had family from there and they thought it was so awesome that they were 'Irish'.

Its amazing how birthers can regurgitate WND articles that nitpick press statements and hearsay but cant give a solid explanation on why they are the only ones out there racking up legal bills and getting told several times by the supreme court to get lost.

I will concede he was born in Hawaii, although I don't truly believe he was.  What my problem with him is the fact he was raised in Malaysia NOT in the USA.  Don't we want a President who was raised here?

I knew it was going to blow up on the Governor face. Only a socialist is stupid enough to actually do it.
Obama will have to show his real BC in the next election or won't be in the ballot box in about 10 or so states.
The BC will be a major issue in the 2012 election. There no avoiding it and I think that's why the governor wanted to head it off before it started.
 

There's only pressure that can be applied. Apparently Obama is the only one on the planet that can have it released. The governor of Hawaii can look at it but can't release it to the public. But, Obama can't release it either. ITS NOT THERE.  Abercrombie~

I didn't see anything in there that suggests Obama doesn't have a US passport.



This only means that the breach of security into McCain and Clinton's files were not discovered until after they learned about the access to Obama's files.  It does not mean he does not have a passport.

Again, there's literally ZERO evidence he was born anywere other than Hawaii.

Find some evidence that his mom was even IN Kenya.  Some documents, or pictures, or friends that remember her flying to Kenya.  Anything.

You definately have tunnel vision and only see what you want.  Guess you missed where his grandmother stated she was present at his birth in Kenya?  Climb out from under Obama's desk and go wash the jizz out of your eyes.  It missed your mouth and seems to be clouding your vision.

They did with proxy. Not only that now some States now required Presidential Candidates to show their real BC before being approve for the ballot box. It will be a major issue in 2012.





 

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I missed the part of that quote where Grilla mentioned the grandmother.  Wait, it's not there?  Oh, I must have been responding to a claim Grilla made with personal evidence that contradicts it.  Typically, people reply to what was quoted, not to everything ever mentioned in the thread.

Edit: Woops. I did miss the last sentence he posted.  
Here's a response.  
Link



Note that Ogombe is the step-grandmother's translator.

Obama is spending money on it, has had all of his college records sealed, and won't just show a piece of paper to make a group of people out to be loons and spends money on lawyers so he doesn't have to. I honestly think there is something goofy going on. My money is on him attending Occidental on a Fulbright or something similar as an Indonesian citizen. I also think it won't change a damned thing if it got out.

Care to name states that have actually passed these laws and not just bills with a handful of co-sponsors that rot? AZ couldn't even pass a bill like that.

I haven't paid much attention to the birth cert. issue, but this is starting to get interesting. Hopefully is sprouts some legs and takes off. I would LOVE to see this come full circle this year.

They did find a picture of the mother though.

I would like to know more about the MULTIPLE Social Security Numbers zero has used!  I would also like to know who paid for his education! I would also like to see some transcripts!

Look here, if he's a citizen fine however, I want to know the truth. Americans have the right to know if we have a man leading our country that is legally supposed to be there.

We do have that right and so far, the state of Hawaii maintains that he is a natural born citizen.  If that changes, then you'll be able to worry.

Obama wasn't born.  He just washed up on shore in Waikiki.

or Sex: Hermaphrodite

It cracks me up that Obama hasn't released college transcripts, funding etc. The left called Bush idiot for his entire Presidency based on his transcripts. Said he was AWOL. Sad there are 2 sets of standards

Have any US Presidents ever produced their birth certificates?

there was alot of hoopla over McCain's birthplace.

Seeing as how those in Hawaii who had control of the records claimed at times to have been present at his birth but later denied they were actually there, were friends of his family, or are proclaimed socialists, I prefer not to believe anything they say.

I also listened to a video where his grandmother claimed he was born in Kenya and a Kenyan official claimed he was born in Kenya.

I also watched Obama on This Week state he was of Muslim faith.  He had to be corrected by old George Stephenopoulis that he was of Christian faith.

Obama seems to be confused as to what exactly he is.  He has had all his college transcripts sealed from all colleges, though other modern presidents and candidates have released theirs.

I have issues with a leader that seems to need to hide everything about his personal life.

He was an admitted drug user.

He lived in foreign countries during formative years.

He was abandoned by both his father and mother as a child.  This has affected him in ways we don't really know since he has made every attempt to keep personal info about his college life etc. hidden from scrutiny.  

His mentors during his life have been socialist/communist leaning radicals.  He spent 20 years in the church of a black nationalist preacher who hates whites and America.  

He was friends with radical domestic terrorists who belonged to a group who murdered 4 Americans including a police officer (I had personal contact as an LEO with one of these terrorists from the group).

He has weakened the power and perception of America due to his actions which includes bowing down and groveling before dictators and Muslim Potentates.

Was he born in Hawaii?  Who knows for sure, he uses every legal method at hand to muddy the waters instead of just being open about his life.

so, no president has ever been asked to produce his birth certificate?

Vetting on eligibility is supposed to be done prior to being elected to head a party's ticket.  As a candidate John McCain was vetted for eligibility since he was born in the Panama Canal zone to parents that were both US citizens.

Obama's vetting was supposed to be done by the party that put him on their ticket.  The claims are he was not properly vetted "before" being placed on the ticket and since elected he has used the courts to hide if he was a legal "natural born citizen" or not.

Jennifer Granholm and Arnold Schwarzenegger have both been named as possible candidates for president or vice-president but both are not eligible for either position as they are not natural born citizens.

the only ones making "claims" are a handful of nutters.  again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Obama wasn't born in the US.

The legal methods he uses are to file a motion to dismiss whenever someone without tangible interest tries to access his birth certificate, something which is illegal under Hawaiian law.

There was hoopla, but McCain never released his birth cert to public either.  He did show it to a member of the media, though. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Was he properly vetted as eligible? Constitutionally, you are required to be a natural born citizen.

But federal law doesn't require you to provide the documentation, state laws may require you to prove eligibility but they may leave the vetting up to each party in a state to determine who is eligible to run on their primary ticket.

Basically, states may just require a candidate to certify on a form that they are eligible without actually proving such.  Obama did fill out the paperwork but his actions in sealing all personal records now lead people to think he is trying to hide something.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/41131059/CRS-Congressional-Internal-Memo-What-to-Tell-Your-Constituents-Regarding-Obama-Eligibility-Questions

I don't think he's hiding anything in relation to his POB of birth certificate.  I've never heard ANYTHING that would make me think he wasn't born in Hawaii.  If there was ANY hint of him not being eligible to be president, it would have been brought up during the campaign.

Now if you're a conspiracy nutter, don't let that get in your way, carry on.

The video you say you have the transcript of is not the video I have seen.  You think you read my mind now?

Bullshit it is out of context.  I watched the interview on This Week, he stated his Muslim faith.  You can not get anymore clear than that.  Born to a Muslim family, he is a Muslim no matter how he claims otherwise.  In the Muslim faith you can not leave the faith, it is punished by death to do so.  He also went to Muslim schools in Indonesia.  He is most likely confused in his mind as to what or who he is.

As for the rest, it is pertinent as to why I feel he should not lead this nation whether he was born in Hawaii or not.

We get it, you are a flaming Obama loving liberal who worships at his feet as he is the "One We Have Been Waiting For"

They showed some kind of celebration in kenya because they claim he was born there.





At any rate, if something wasn't fishy about it, they would have released it. Especially since they made such a big production about "seeing" it.

Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
By Steve Baldwin, Exclusive to Western Center for Journalism

Most Americans don’t realize we have elected a president whom we know very little about.


Pictured: Barack Obama’s Autobiography, Dreams from My Father.
Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.

A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?

The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.

What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth.


Pictured: “Scott & Barry, 3rd grade 1969” Punahou School in Hawaii.
For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. And, according to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental. Kreep has filed lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president and as part of his lawsuit he requested Obama’s records from Occidental. However, Obama’s lawyers quickly moved to stop Occidental from honoring this request.
Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well.

Over 49 separate law suits have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court, only to be denied a full hearing.


Pictured: Saudi Prince Al-Walid bin Talah
What’s more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans. The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune. However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source. Khalid Al-Mansour, an advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talah, told Manhattan Borough president, Percy Sutton, that he was raising money for Obama’s Harvard tuition. Incidentally, Prince Tala is the largest donor to CAIR, a Muslim group declared by the U.S. Government in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorist financing trial. At least three of CAIR’s leaders have been indicted for terrorist activities. Al-Mansour’s admission opens up speculation as to whether Muslim interests have assisted Obama’s career in the hope he would eventually be in a position someday to promote their interests.

More recently, it was discovered that Obama’s Selective Service card may have been doctored. Federal law requires all American males to register for the Selective Service (the draft) in case a major war broke out.  Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the “Document Location Number” which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it’s a felony and Schlussel allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles.


Pictured: Barack Obama’s 2008 Selective Service Card. “Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older.”
The real reason why Obama probably did not submit this form as a teenager is that he assumed his Kenyan or Indonesian citizenship exempted him from this requirement. But clearly, as he grew older and entered politics, he saw that any documents revealing a foreign birth – Selective Service registration, birth certificate, school applications, etc – would be problematic if he ran for the presidency. Thus, it is not a coincidence that every document which contains information about his birth or citizenship is either missing, sealed, or has been altered.

Indeed, everywhere one looks into Obama’s background, we find sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, deception and unanswered questions. Can anyone imagine for a second if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records?  It would have been headlines but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this.

Of all these marvels, the latest mystery and probably most perplexing is that of Obama’s social security number. It appears that Obama has multiple identities in term of possessing numerous social security numbers. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous suits against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve as president, appears to be the first to discover this. In her suit, representing a number of military officers who are refusing to serve under an ineligible commander in chief, she hired private investigator Neil Sankey to conduct research on Obama’s prior addresses and Social Society numbers. Using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, Sankey found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Obama’s name.

However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as:  “Barak Obama,” “Batock Obama,” “Barok Obama,” and “Barrack Obama.” There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name. Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.

In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364.

In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999.

There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.


Pictured: 713 Hart Senate Office Building.
In Massachusetts – where Obama attended Harvard Law School – we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office.  This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.

This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name.

Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427

Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456.

Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799.

Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999.

Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as “Barry Obama.” One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762.

In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers:   579, 420, and 423.

In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675.

There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in
the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania.

All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled “Barack Obama.” In some cases, the middle initial “H” is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: “Barac,” “Barak,” and “Barrack” Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.

Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.


Pictured: Ann, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham
Nevertheless, all this mystery surrounding Obama appears to be a generational thing.  Researchers have discovered nearly a dozen aliases, at least two different Social Security numbers, and upwards of over 99 separate addresses for Ann Dunham, his mother. We do know she worked for the ultra liberal Ford Foundation but we also know she may have earned some income from pornographic poses, as evidenced by photos recently discovered by some researchers—how embarrassing. The only thing researchers are able to find out about Obama’s mother is the fact she made porn. I’m sure that’s a first for presidential mothers.

But we also know that Obama’s mother and grandparents associated with Communist Party  leaders such as Frank Marshall Davis, a man who, according to Obama’s book, Dreams from my Father, was his main mentor during much of his Hawaiian boyhood (although Obama tried to disguise his identity in his book). During the Cold War, Davis was named by congressional investigators as a key member of a secretive pro-Soviet networked that existed in Hawaii at that time.


Pictured: Communist Party leader, Frank Marshall Davis.
The lack of documents regarding Obama also extends to his mother and to his grandparents. Indeed, researchers have been unable to find marriage licenses for his mother’s two marriages, assuming she was ever legally married. Ditto goes for the marriage license for Ann’s parents. They cannot find birth certificates for her, her parents, or for even for her grandparents. Even more so, despite Obama’s boast of his grandfather’s military service, there’s no record of that either. For reasons no one knows, much of Obama’s life, his mother’s life and his grandparent’s life has been erased from the records as if they never existed.

But why would someone obtain so many Social Security numbers? According to investigators, those who create additional Social Society numbers are typically engaged in criminal activities such as Social Security fraud, tax fraud, real estate fraud, campaign contributions fraud, voter fraud and so on. While the private investigator who compiled this list says multiple social security numbers does not automatically prove there’s criminal activity involved, he states that “having said that, I have personally experienced many, many cases where such information has led to subsequent exposure of fraud, deception, money laundering and other crimes.“What is interesting to note is that Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.


Pictured: Barrack Obama and his Grandmother, Madelyn Dunham. “Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.”
It is clear that more research needs to be done on this issue.  The Western Center for Journalism
( http://www.westernjournalism.com) is inviting our readers to join the search for the truth. If you have any information about any of the addresses listed, we would love to hear from you. To find a complete list of all the addresses and Social Security numbers listed in the public record for Obama and family, please go to the Western Center for Journalism.

Yes, because I don't buy into the nutty birth conspiracy theory, I must worship him.  Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.  I didn't even vote for the guy.  I don't like his politics or his agenda, but I do recognize that he is legally the President.  You can feel that he shouldn't be leading the country all you want.  You'll have me and a good 50+% of the nation agreeing with you.  Where we differ is how we think he should be removed.  This birther nonsense is pointless and won't accomplish anything.  In fact, it's counter-productive because it just makes his opponents look crazy.  The 2012 election is how we remove him, not conspiratorial retardation.

I don't know if he was born in HI or not, he may have been.  I question why he is so secretive about his college transcripts.  It may be because his political supporters proclaimed early on about him having one of the highest IQs of any president ever, but he refuses to release any college records. George Bush released his college grades and I posted them before.

It is my personal opinion that Obama may have very low college grades that would destroy the "story" of his intelligence.  His constant use of a teleprompter and almost incoherent speaking abilities when the teleprompter malfunctions would lead me to believe he is not so bright as all his advisors claim.  The story is that advisors tried to get him to stop using it and he refuses to give it up.

I believe that his mother may not have known who exactly his father might have been.  Frank Marshall Davis was his early childhood mentor.  He was from Kansas, as were Obama's relatives.  He lived in Hawaii and was friends with Obama's grandfather.

They have this branch of forensic science that examines questioned documents.....

And there is absolutely no evidence he was.

Meaning you think you could prove to birthers that he was born in Hawaii?

The state of Hawaii has declared that he is.  Considering that they have the legal authority to decide who is and who is not a citizen of Hawaii, I think that counts as pretty good evidence.

Those people are all paid members of the conspiracy, or are Obama-worshiping liberals.  

Actually, there is

Ambassadorship?

I wonder if he didn't think he was helping Obama.  Kind of a "people keep calling us about this. I know, I'll just release it and save Obama from having to deal with this." train of thought.

snips, if you are going to quote my words then stop inserting text into my quotes that I did not write.  I'm having a hard enough time quoting and trying to take your words out of my text I never wrote.


If you are going to quote me, put your text outside the quote, not in the quote as though I wrote those words please.

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