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Wow. Simply just wow. You people are almost claiming to be Waco Experts and yet, you've never read/saw anything about their extremist views or what they did. And you're trying to make fun of me. hahahahahahaha |
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Read post above talking about "not being able to read." No one said anything about shooting the children, freak. |
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You're the one trying to justify the ATF's gestapo actions by saying "he was a pedphile". |
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Couple questions, humor me. Cite me ANY source that Koresh ever talked about burning his own followers. Second, since when does the decision to practice "odd" religeon, and the holding of odd beliefs, carry the death penalty? Wasn't freedom of religion kind of the whole point of the pilgroms' perilous adventure? |
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I did? Please god tell me where I said it was justified because he was a pedophile? |
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You are correct. It is a free country. And people are supposed to be able to worship whatever god, gods, ideas, or notions they see fit. People are also supposed to be secure in their homes and their belongings. From your comments however, it sounds like you are the type that likes to pick and choose what freedoms others should be able to enjoy. |
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Funny how in this country, if you dont believe in God, you're automatically "going to hell" and all that jazz. But yet, its ok to practice your own religion where you have incest with your family/young children and a big orgy. Then, once again, funny how if a person molests anothers child, he goes to prison and is automatically a "child molestor" and *immediately* looked down upon in society. But I guess since it's in the name of religion, it's ok to do? Are you seriously fucking telling me you believe that? Because if you do, you should slap the ever motherfucking living shit out of yourself, right here and now. Then, post a goodbye note on AR15, saying that you're leaving because you're fucking retarded. |
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You Sir have a lot to learn about the real world and how things really work. Some people lie, cheat, steal and murder. Just because some men have a badge does not mean they are above making poor or even illegal actions. 99% of Local, State and Fed Police are wonderful people. The 1% is what causes the problems in most cases. In both Waco and Ruby Ridge the 1% were in charge and you can see what happened. A lot of good people died for no reason what so ever. Waco & Ruby Ridge was the end all to be all of Federal Law Enforcement screw ups and it will take a generation to live that down if ever. I will never again fully trust my Government after what I saw happen at Ruby Ridge and Waco. I love my County, but some times my Government scares the hell out of me. I am glad we did not have more people like you"*normal*, *reasonable*, *sane*" in 1776 or I guess we all would be speaking with an English accent today. |
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lmao In my 21 years of "living in the real world", I've lived more than some 45 year olds I know and I'm sure a lot of 45year olds in general. But thanks. No shit people lie, steal, cheat and murder. There's quite a bit of difference between a King and our Federal Government. If you could never try to equate them to even being remotely the same, that'd be great. And you're right, a lot of federal agents and little kids did die that day. For no reason whatsoever. If only David had cooperated with them, none of it would have happened. Aside from this subject at all, answer me two questions. Since when is incest ok? and Since when is molesting little children ok? |
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They didn't resist during the initial ATF assault - and the ATF open fire
By the time the FBI assaulted using tanks, would YOU have trusted them enough to surrender? FBI had already lied and captured the members that did surrender...... |
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Are they serving donuts in the cyber cafe now? |
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HOLY FUCK!!!! When has anyone said incest was ok!?! I pray to god.... tell us, when did anyone say molesting little children was ok? [sound familiar?] |
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Who said he was molesting children and having incest? I have not heard that. Please enlighten me. And even if it is true. I don't beleive stopping those things is in the mission statement of the Alchohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. To boot, if it is true, they did not need to assault the compound, they should have picked him up in town, or sent in local law enforcement, |
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And the .gov propaganda machine wins over another convert. |
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I forget the exact quote the guy in the courtroom said. Something like flashbangs are harmless or something to that degree. Maybe he should try holding one in his lap and pull the pin.
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I'd like to know too as i've heard all those claims of incest and child molestation be found complete bull. Seeing as he was 8 or 9 when this went down it wouldn't surprize me that he believed all the claims made. |
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Really? Which ones? Please name those movies/videos about Waco that you've seen.
Neither do we. But so what? This is a country of laws, and not a nation that is ruled by rogue gvernment agencies who can decide who lives and who dies, without legal justification or judicial oversight.
Sorry, but 'the government' already did that...when it decided to attack or 'assault' the occupants of a church in Central Texas.
I don't think anyone, with the possible exception of those government agents on the scene, really 'knew what was coming.'
Did the children likewise get to choose NOT to be incinerated? I don't think so. And quit 'shrugging'! Your shoulders are beginning to droop.
And IF the .gov folks hadn't chosen to act in the manner in which they did, NO ONE would have died, either. But you said that Koresh was a 'wacko', and that means that the .gov folks must likewise be considered 'wacko.'
Oh, most definitely, they surely were! No doubt about it! Eric The(Truthful)Hun |
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This explains a few things.
Not that day.
Oh yes there was a reason! That was janet the BBQ queen of Waco(to include Of the politicians I'd invite in my home or trust in general, those three are the least likely and they happen to be in charge that day. The leaderships ability to wave their majic wand from a distance and have everyone murdered, as shown in the film, is ghastly and smacks of the way a KING rules his subjects.
You really are blind to the underlying issue, but I dont need to say anything else cause Eric is going to school you now. |
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Bullshit. Sworn officers and Soldiers swear to uphold the constitution, and know full well what their responsibilities are when doing their job. If anyone ever gave the order to shoot indiscriminately into an occupied building, I'd expect the officer to tell them to pound sand and retire if he had the balls. There's a whole lot of this, and it's not the only illegal part of what the feds did. I hold any agent who was there past the initial raid as complicit in the deaths of those people. They knew what the limits of their job were, and they chose to exceed it. I'm sure the .gov apologists will still believe what they want to and still say the government was justified in doing what they had to, but there's no justification for shooting into buildings full of unarmed men, women, and children. Pick that one apart "apologists", and we'll move onto the fed's next fuck-up. Dave |
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Dave, the people I was talking about getting killed were the folks inside the compound not the ATF/FBI. Sorry if I did not make that clear. Like they always say; Evil thrives when good men do nothing. |
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Just figured I'd repost that for you. Maybe you forgot what it said. |
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For goodness sakes......find another hero!!!!!!
Kissing Koresh's ass is doing nothing for the pro-gun community. Semper Fi, ASO544 P.S. - Both sides screwed up. |
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Shaped charges. It's for the children. |
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Really? Then why hasn't the ATF produced the two video tapes that would show the Davidians shooting at them from the front of the house? Why haven't they produced the steel doors? Why weren't more ATF agents killed? Why did the B-D let the ATF agents go, once they said they would leave the property? Watching the tapes of the raid, (from the back of the house, cause the tapes from the front have somehow disapeared) how much fire is the ATF putting downrange? How much are they receiving in turn? Why did they immeadiatly kill the B-Ds dogs, which were penned up? |
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If the Davidians had wanted to, they could have WIPED OUT the entire ATF contingent. |
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+1 |
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Same guy from ruby ridge ? |
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This guy? |
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I think there's some young'ins in IRQ who've been exposed to too much door-to-door operations. Consequently It's blinded and numbed them to the Waco atrocity and they cant tell the difference between a terrorist filled war zone and the situation at Waco. |
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Lon Horiuchi was at Waco as well as Ruby Ridge. He was in sniper position Sierra 1, the undercover house at the back of the compound, out of view of the media. The FBI reported that there was no gunfire on April 19. Captain David Byrnes, Texas Rangers, was tasked with investigating the reports of gunfire from Sierra 1. He asked Lon Horiuchi if he had fired at all on April 19. Horiuchi replied that he had not fired a single round during the seige. Captain Byrnes found 4 expended shell casing in sierra 1. Anyone have an answer for that? |
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Fuck it just clicked . That is what that guy is going off about . |
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.gov admitted he followed ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUIONAL ORDERS killing Vicky Weaver The State of Idaho tried to prosecute, but .gov said they couldn't - Lon was "doing his job" |
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The real problem will be when those folks think that a career in law enforcement is great way to put their experience to good use. Sorta like latter-day Hessians! Help! Eric The(Patriot)Hun |
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Dear God, I pray they can realize the difference. |
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Sounds of crickets... |
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There are always elements in the government that are scared of religious groups owning guns. The Mormons come to mind. They fought the U.S. Army to a standstill giving saner minds time to take charge of things and stop the war. Most people just want to live their lives in peace, unmolested by government. The government has other ideas depending on who is in charge at the moment. You may find the Army in your livingroom just because of where you live or where you go to church. |
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Apparently my one post about not being able to read, still hasnt sunk in yet. I've already addressed this issue. Today is a little different than 230 years ago. For one, we dont have a King 4500miles away, imposing unjust taxes and trying to rule every aspect of our world. Once again, there have already been posts about what people would do/should do if confronted with police at their door. All of those posts by people have said that they would go with the police. Not ONE PERSON said they would defy and resist the police, thereby enticing a shootout and potentially killing themselves/family. So basically, that point is pretty goddamn moot. |
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'The Mormons fought the U.S Army to a standstill'????
When? Where? Eric The(Huh?)Hun |
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Pretty sloppy sniper work if he's shooting when he's not supposed AND leaves evidence behind. Anyone else see anything fishy about that? |
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I think its pretty fucking fishy that hes not in jail for murdering innocent people. |
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Yep, if they wanted to attack the ATF they would have done it when they were rolling up in cattle trailers, easy soft target |
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Every post when someone bitched about it being ok to preach their own religion. And for the next 3 posts after this, if you've never heard/seen the reports about the Davidians and incest, then I cant believe you're even posting here talking about what you think you know. Pretty sad day when you people try to argue something and you only know what you want to know. When something out there that proves you wrong or at least partially wrong, you deny it. Pretty goddamned fucking sad. Until you guys do some more so-called "research" on Waco, I'm done with this post. |
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True that. But thats immaterial to Waco, so let's set up the Waco scenario. You know the police are coming, you go outside to talk to them, see what they want. The police open fire - what do you do? ETA: I think some might disagree with what I highlighted in blue. Might not have a King, but we do have a gov't who increasingly erodes our rights. |
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