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What are your impressions so far on St Croix vs Red-X?
If you could only pick one, which would it be and why? I am too waiting for the Spikes, but may end up with one of these as an interim soution. |
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
What are your impressions so far on St Croix vs Red-X? If you could only pick one, which would it be and why? I am too waiting for the Spikes, but may end up with one of these as an interim soution. View Quote The SCT has a mpi c158 bolt and regular phosphate gas key The redxarms has a 9310 also claims mpi on web site and a nickelbor on gas key Both stacked good. The carriers look 100% identical SCT laser engraved logo on there and redxarms bolt has a X in it. So for the price and nickel boron gas key I would go with the redxarms And it's a toss up on the bolt. Some say 9130 is better some say 158 I think 158 is stronger Edit: noticed you don't have weight for magpul ASAP plate it's 1.3oz Magpul BUIS front 1.1oz Primary arms red dot with riser 6.4 oz Geissele 13" mod4 (before key mod) 12.9oz Seekins 13" SAR 14.1oz Seekins 7" SAR 9.2oz Magpul Moe carbine 6.8oz no delta ring ect Magpul moe mid length 8.8oz Standard plastic caribe hand guard 5.3oz Magpul BAD lever 0.2oz Palmetto state armory 16" ltw mid length barrel 23.2 oz (Final got my scale out and have a lot of builds going on so weighing as much stuff as I can think of.) |
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If you're still looking for these:
LWRC compact stock 226g LWRC ultra compact stock 208g A few more weights on my list that could be of interest here: MOE milspec stock w/standard buttpad 234g MOE milspec stock no buttpad 198g --------->very usable and light without buttpad MOE midlength handguards 246g MOE carbine handguards 192g Standard midlength handguards w/single heat shield 168g VTAC TRX Extreme 11" handguard w/ barrel nut 320g Inforce WML single mode light 86g Surefire X300U light 116g DD 16" midlength lightweigh CHF barrel 22oz (sorry I didn't get that one in grams so accuracy of weight isn't as good) Aimpoint Micro in Larue mount with lever (version with lower third co-witness) 165g |
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A couple more parts came in
V7 forward assist 11g or .39oz. BCE Battlecomp 1.5 56g or 2oz. href=http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b505/yetiguy11/F_A_/BCEBattlecomp15_zps654c9bd3.jpg" /> href=http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b505/yetiguy11/F_A_/V7assistw_spring_zpsea9c5aa2.jpg" /> |
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Originally Posted By LMTRocks:
I took some photos of the parts that I used when I did a LW build last year. <a href="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8418/8708317801_a2139aea72_b.jpg" target="_blank">http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8418/8708317801_a2139aea72_b.jpg</a> I recall a SOPMOD stock being about 11oz on this scale I used. I'm going to be doing another LW build for my lady and I, and as I get parts in I will do individual weights for all the parts. I will be using 2 of the integral triggerguard Anderson lowers and the Anderson LPK with a Fortis QD endplate and Ergo grips. She liked that grip better than the Magpul MOE+ so Ergo it is. View Quote how much weight did milling that square out of the mag well save? Did you just do that side only? |
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Originally Posted By Lohe:
Got these in the carriers look identical they each used different gas key and bolts It's does weigh 5.6oz stripped. Put it in the scale today 162 grams with just gas key. 220 complete or 7.7 oz and 5.7oz with just gas key. So looks like the spikes titanium with the material removed is going to be 20 grams lighter but they haven't put there's in production yet. The spikes one is also supposed to have a sleeve where the bolt rides IIRC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lohe:
Originally Posted By Lohe:
http://shop.redxarms.com/RED-X-ARMS-TITANIUM-M16-STYLE-BOLT-CARRIER-GROUP-223-556-TITANIUMBCG.htm Titanium BCG .488lbs or 7.808 OZ (Manufacture weight) I just ordered one And just ordered this one as well... http://www.stcroixtactical.com/collections/ar15/products/sct-titanium-bolt-carrier-group-ar15-m16 Claim of .35lbs or 5.6oz Got these in the carriers look identical they each used different gas key and bolts It's does weigh 5.6oz stripped. Originally Posted By Lohe:
Well I just ordered from red X I will most likely get a spikes also but figured I would try/check this one out. Also picked up a couple uppers from them. Put it in the scale today 162 grams with just gas key. 220 complete or 7.7 oz and 5.7oz with just gas key. So looks like the spikes titanium with the material removed is going to be 20 grams lighter but they haven't put there's in production yet. The spikes one is also supposed to have a sleeve where the bolt rides IIRC. yeah, I dint' get why they didn't make the tail of those titanium carriers smaller, or skelietanize it more or something. If you gonna go up river, you go all the way right? |
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I put a billet set on the scale yesterday
The upper is 5.95 oz stripped, no forward assist Lower is 6.60 oz stripped I am affiliated with the company though, so I don't think I can tell much about it without getting snuffed out by ARF. |
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I cut it twice, and it's still short.
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Is it Tactical Innovations? I have a Tactical Innovations billet lower. It's really nice, although I wish the trigger guard was a little smoother.
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I cut it twice, and it's still short.
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We should add lights to the list I want to find a good light weight light if it has IR as well huge +
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The Mag Tactical "Viper" lightweight muzzle brake claims 1 oz. If it is in fact 1.0 ounces, it would be the lightest brake available. It appears to be long enough to use on 14.5" barrels to make them legal.
http://www.magtacticalsystems.com/index.php/2013-07-29-03-32-36/muzzle-brakes/product/213-light-weight-viper-muzzle-brake The lightest weight muzzle device on a 16" barrel is of course a thread protector. |
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13: Yea I read it returns to zero pretty good too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jukeboxx13: Originally Posted By _Crog: Originally Posted By djkest: If you want lightweight I think Aero precision is the only way to go at this point. We are talking ounces of difference. I just tested this today. Went to the range, shot a couple groups, then removed the mount and scope. Resintalled, and it was dead on. I'm going to update my reviews in a bit with the new findings. |
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Originally Posted By djkest:
The Mag Tactical "Viper" lightweight muzzle brake claims 1 oz. If it is in fact 1.0 ounces, it would be the lightest brake available. It appears to be long enough to use on 14.5" barrels to make them legal. http://www.magtacticalsystems.com/index.php/2013-07-29-03-32-36/muzzle-brakes/product/213-light-weight-viper-muzzle-brake The lightest weight muzzle device on a 16" barrel is of course a thread protector. View Quote It's 1.9 oz |
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I cut it twice, and it's still short.
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Originally Posted By TZLVredmist:
Originally Posted By djkest:
The Mag Tactical "Viper" lightweight muzzle brake claims 1 oz. If it is in fact 1.0 ounces, it would be the lightest brake available. It appears to be long enough to use on 14.5" barrels to make them legal. http://www.magtacticalsystems.com/index.php/2013-07-29-03-32-36/muzzle-brakes/product/213-light-weight-viper-muzzle-brake The lightest weight muzzle device on a 16" barrel is of course a thread protector. It's 1.9 oz But then if you click the specs tab list it 1.0oz |
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I cut it twice, and it's still short.
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Looks nice. Like the QDs on the rear of the receiver.
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Originally Posted By ZoToL:
As much as i like light weight I'm down to the point where the only weight i can loose is to spend $200.00 at v7 to save 2oz. That is quite a bit of 9mm ammo or even 5.56. I think i reached to point of diminishing return till a lighter weight receiver set and barrel come out. But I'm happy sitting at 6lb 2oz with optic. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2671_zpsde5f257f.jpg View Quote Your build gives me hope. I'm shooting for sub 7lbs including a suppressor on my current build in progress. After seeing yours, I think I just may pull it off. Stay tuned. Aimpoint H1 with Larue LT751 mount - 5.8 oz had planned to weigh them separately but the mount and optic was shipped to me mounted together by Larue and I couldn't bring myself to undo their work unnecessarily. Mfg says H1 weighs 3 oz so that leaves 2.8 oz to the LT751 by my measurement and math. |
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Looking real hard at the Fortis F1 Aimpoint Micro mount, and it looks odd, but the 1.1 oz weight is attractive.
ETA: Also looking forward to the Aero Precision T1 mount whenever it comes out so I cant pull the trigger on the F1 just yet.
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Originally Posted By ZoToL:
As much as i like light weight I'm down to the point where the only weight i can loose is to spend $200.00 at v7 to save 2oz. That is quite a bit of 9mm ammo or even 5.56. I think i reached to point of diminishing return till a lighter weight receiver set and barrel come out. But I'm happy sitting at 6lb 2oz with optic. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2671_zpsde5f257f.jpg View Quote what do you have for recievers and grip and BCG? |
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Originally Posted By RckShrk:
Your build gives me hope. I'm shooting for sub 7lbs including a suppressor on my current build in progress. After seeing yours, I think I just may pull it off. Stay tuned. Aimpoint H1 with Larue LT751 mount - 5.8 oz had planned to weigh them separately but the mount and optic was shipped to me mounted together by Larue and I couldn't bring myself to undo their work unnecessarily. Mfg says H1 weighs 3 oz so that leaves 2.8 oz to the LT751 by my measurement and math. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RckShrk:
Originally Posted By ZoToL:
As much as i like light weight I'm down to the point where the only weight i can loose is to spend $200.00 at v7 to save 2oz. That is quite a bit of 9mm ammo or even 5.56. I think i reached to point of diminishing return till a lighter weight receiver set and barrel come out. But I'm happy sitting at 6lb 2oz with optic. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2671_zpsde5f257f.jpg Your build gives me hope. I'm shooting for sub 7lbs including a suppressor on my current build in progress. After seeing yours, I think I just may pull it off. Stay tuned. Aimpoint H1 with Larue LT751 mount - 5.8 oz had planned to weigh them separately but the mount and optic was shipped to me mounted together by Larue and I couldn't bring myself to undo their work unnecessarily. Mfg says H1 weighs 3 oz so that leaves 2.8 oz to the LT751 by my measurement and math. I'm looking to do a 300 b build at 5lbs, or 6lbs w/ suppressor/mount. The sureifire 30 cal mini socom and its mount weighs exactly 1.01lb. So, if possoble, I need to get a gun w/ T1 & BUIS. Well, 5.5lbs w/ optics and BUIS is more realistic. Gonna have to get a set of magtach or receivers. Wish the KMR came in 8" length, maybe get the MI SSK. |
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Mega forged lower, cerro forged upper, LMT M16 BCG. All regular parts. 14.5" DD LW barrel. H buffer. Empty no mag weight is 6lb 2oz.
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
what do you have for recievers and grip and BCG? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By ZoToL:
As much as i like light weight I'm down to the point where the only weight i can loose is to spend $200.00 at v7 to save 2oz. That is quite a bit of 9mm ammo or even 5.56. I think i reached to point of diminishing return till a lighter weight receiver set and barrel come out. But I'm happy sitting at 6lb 2oz with optic. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2671_zpsde5f257f.jpg what do you have for recievers and grip and BCG? |
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
I got an aluminium grip screw in today! My lower build parts weights so far: http://i.imgur.com/lJFFd0l.png This is a complete functioning lower. I won't have upper weight totals, only estimates, for awhile as I waiting on some work to be completed and some parts to be released. View Quote do you have a link for hte accu group grip screw? or specs on the stock one? |
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You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
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Originally Posted By ZoToL:
Mega forged lower, cerro forged upper, LMT M16 BCG. All regular parts. 14.5" DD LW barrel. H buffer. Empty no mag weight is 6lb 2oz. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ZoToL:
Mega forged lower, cerro forged upper, LMT M16 BCG. All regular parts. 14.5" DD LW barrel. H buffer. Empty no mag weight is 6lb 2oz. Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By ZoToL:
As much as i like light weight I'm down to the point where the only weight i can loose is to spend $200.00 at v7 to save 2oz. That is quite a bit of 9mm ammo or even 5.56. I think i reached to point of diminishing return till a lighter weight receiver set and barrel come out. But I'm happy sitting at 6lb 2oz with optic. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2671_zpsde5f257f.jpg what do you have for recievers and grip and BCG? W/ the optic and BUIS?? Pretty good. Lighter than a stock M4 |
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:
1/4x28x1" you should be able to find one at your local hardware store. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Or specs on the stock one? 1/4x28x1" you should be able to find one at your local hardware store. prolly not an alumiminium one. |
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a spreadsheet with linked pictures, and more explanation about items like LWRC stock (stock only no tube etc) would be cool to strive for
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Yeah, without the optic/mount its 5lb 12oz, The spikes Buis are the lightest option that I know of for backups. Its very nice having a LW rifle. I could have lost a few more ounces by using V7 parts and a different gasblock and flashhider also going down to a regular carbine buffer. But the barrel came with a gasblock already drilled for a pin so i saved myself about a hundred fifty vs buying and having adco pin it.
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
W/ the optic and BUIS?? Pretty good. Lighter than a stock M4 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By ZoToL:
Mega forged lower, cerro forged upper, LMT M16 BCG. All regular parts. 14.5" DD LW barrel. H buffer. Empty no mag weight is 6lb 2oz. Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By ZoToL:
As much as i like light weight I'm down to the point where the only weight i can loose is to spend $200.00 at v7 to save 2oz. That is quite a bit of 9mm ammo or even 5.56. I think i reached to point of diminishing return till a lighter weight receiver set and barrel come out. But I'm happy sitting at 6lb 2oz with optic. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Wiindigo/IMG_2671_zpsde5f257f.jpg what do you have for recievers and grip and BCG? W/ the optic and BUIS?? Pretty good. Lighter than a stock M4 |
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Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
prolly not an alumiminium one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Or specs on the stock one? 1/4x28x1" you should be able to find one at your local hardware store. prolly not an alumiminium one. I've found aluminum and plastic screws of the right size at numerous local hardware stores. |
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You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
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So is this a complete list of every part needed if an individual were so inclined to build their own rifle?
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Originally Posted By Built2defend:
So is this a complete list of every part needed if an individual were so inclined to build their own rifle? View Quote very close, i don't see the really small parts mentioned, but they're not really relevant to the discussion. We have a weight for a complete lpk and that can get you close. |
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I just posted a few of the small parts as an interesting find as some weight twice as much as others, albeit very light either way.
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Originally Posted By DonKey153:
very close, i don't see the really small parts mentioned, but they're not really relevant to the discussion. We have a weight for a complete lpk and that can get you close. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By Built2defend:
So is this a complete list of every part needed if an individual were so inclined to build their own rifle? very close, i don't see the really small parts mentioned, but they're not really relevant to the discussion. We have a weight for a complete lpk and that can get you close. Woould you mind pointing me in the direction of a detailed parts list? When I searched "parts list" this is the thread that came up. |
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Originally Posted By Built2defend:
Woould you mind pointing me in the direction of a detailed parts list? When I searched "parts list" this is the thread that came up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Built2defend:
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
Originally Posted By Built2defend:
So is this a complete list of every part needed if an individual were so inclined to build their own rifle? very close, i don't see the really small parts mentioned, but they're not really relevant to the discussion. We have a weight for a complete lpk and that can get you close. Woould you mind pointing me in the direction of a detailed parts list? When I searched "parts list" this is the thread that came up. google turned this up, looks pretty complete. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4215957/Parts-Reference-Diagram-BARREL-HANDGUARD-and-FRONT-SIGHT-COMPONENTS |
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Thanks! I appreciate it!
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Originally Posted By cj3waker:
a spreadsheet with linked pictures, and more explanation about items like LWRC stock (stock only no tube etc) would be cool to strive for View Quote Quick explanation on why the weight of the buffer tube, spring and etc were included for the LWRC UCIW stock. They were included because they are proprietary parts included with UICW stock and modified to fit it's smaller dimensions. Not saying you couldn't just use the stock with a milspec buffer tube, spring and buffer but that would defeat the purpose of the UICW stock. Pictures would be cool though. |
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A few parts I have on hand:
Yankee Hill Machine Low Profile Gas Block w/ Set Screws YHM-9383 1.429oz Del-Ton Carbine Gas Tube 0.63oz Fortis Rev 12" Mine repeatedly came in at 9.7oz DPMS Round Handguard Cap 0.289oz Standard Barrel Nut 1.286oz Daniel Defense A1.5 Rear Sight 1.753oz Tactical Link Enhanced Battery Assist Lever 0.783oz DPMS Delta Pack (Delta Ring, Spring, and Circlip) 1.167oz Yankee Hill Machine Phantom Comp/Flash Hider 2.1oz Spikes Tactical Forged M4 Flat Top - Complete 8.6oz |
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Guys, what is the lightest T1 mount that does full cowitness?? The Fortis does lower 3rd...
Also, what is the lightest flip up fron tsight that has a round front hood, HK style?? Also, are we aware of this Mako polymer ejection port?? http://www.themakogroup.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1042803&CAT=8639 Also OP: V7 has an AL upper that is 6.9 stripped. Has F/A. Lighter than all but the MT I guess |
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Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Guys, what is the lightest T1 mount that does full cowitness?? The Fortis does lower 3rd... View Quote I also would like a better option without the QD. Currently using the Fortis F1 but really not excited about it. Hopefully Aero Precision comes out with light weight option. |
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Look into the LaRue absolute co-witness with the VFZ mount. Package weight will be about 5.35 ounces.
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Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
Also, are we aware of this Mako polymer ejection port?? [url=http://www.themakogroup.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1042803&CAT=8639]http://www.themakogroup.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1042803&CAT=8639 Has F/A. Lighter than all but the MT I guess View Quote I just put a Mako door on. There are 2 ribs in the inside of the door that the spring rests on...you have to dremel those off or the door won't shut. I put the V7 FA in also. It is about 1/2 the weight of stock. |
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Originally Posted By Built2defend:
So is this a complete list of every part needed if an individual were so inclined to build their own rifle? View Quote Pretty much. If you look at the spreadsheet in the first post, there are example builds that include all parts. The LPK includes most of the small parts needed. Also, I used the spreadsheet to estimate my build, and it ended up being within 0.5 oz of the estimate. |
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What's th chance of having the spreadsheet updated to be listed in lightest to heaviest?
Great thread btw |
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Originally Posted By LS6TT:
What's th chance of having the spreadsheet updated to be listed in lightest to heaviest? Great thread btw View Quote Zero, but you can sort numerically if you know how to in Excel. It's not too hard to figure out which ones are light especially when a lot of the light parts are highlighted in a different color. |
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I'm building a pistol for my wife, not that you guys care or that it pertains to this thread, but here are some of the things I'm using that I haven't seen weights for.
PSA moe complete lpk - 7.75oz Yhm lpgb with set screws - 1.4 oz UTG super slim pro 9" rail w/barrel nut and set screws - 10oz (not turrible for $109) Thordsen customs standard buffer tube cover kit, caa saddle adapter and caa saddle - 6.90 oz (for you pistol builders) PSA premium buffer tube assembly - 9.85 oz |
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