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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:36:04 AM EDT
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It's too expensive for what it is. I dislike the goofy magwell and that stock is just retarded...
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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:42:56 AM EDT
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"Crafted, designed and assembled by Special Operations Forces team members (guys who actually used these rifles in combat) " Really??? 
"Upper Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, hand fitted to the barrel extension and trued receiver mating surface (blue-printed)" 
"Rear take-down pin and bolt catch utilizes set screw instead of roll pin for ease of disassembly" 
"No shipping cost... Just $1776 out the door to your nearest FFL " http://www.11points.com/images/animatedgifs/americanflag.gif Perfect summation of this new "Special Operations Forces Team Member" assembled rifle. Love those set screws in place of standard rear take-down pins. That just has winner written all over it... |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 12:46:00 PM EDT
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Because you would be better off with this: SR-15 Mod 1 http://www.knightarmco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2012_MOD1_Right1.jpg Proven rifle from a proven, reputable company. This Yup that rifle looks like a bunch of show boat crap. ugly and disgusting. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 1:20:15 PM EDT
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Because you would be better off with this: SR-15 Mod 1 http://www.knightarmco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2012_MOD1_Right1.jpg Proven rifle from a proven, reputable company. This ^ Seconded |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 1:28:08 PM EDT
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way too expensive for all the "show" there is nothing on the rifle that improves fuction over a plain AR to justify the cost Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk me out of this one. Why? there is nothing on the rifle that improves fuction over a plain AR to justify the cost this seriously a $700 bcm BUILD IS WORSE HOW? it doesn't have a paint job. for 1700 you can gtea tavor or scar 16 that has a piston. & that is one fugly stock.it looks like a one trick pony |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 1:59:19 PM EDT
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this seriously a $700 bcm BUILD IS WORSE HOW? it doesn't have a paint job. for 1700 you can gtea tavor or scar 16 that has a piston. & that is one fugly stock.it looks like a one trick pony Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk me out of this one. Why? there is nothing on the rifle that improves fuction over a plain AR to justify the cost this seriously a $700 bcm BUILD IS WORSE HOW? it doesn't have a paint job. for 1700 you can gtea tavor or scar 16 that has a piston. & that is one fugly stock.it looks like a one trick pony Aint gonna be finding a tavor or a scar for 1700 anytime soon if ever. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:39:34 PM EDT
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this seriously a $700 bcm BUILD IS WORSE HOW? it doesn't have a paint job. for 1700 you can gtea tavor or scar 16 that has a piston. & that is one fugly stock.it looks like a one trick pony Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk me out of this one. Why? there is nothing on the rifle that improves fuction over a plain AR to justify the cost this seriously a $700 bcm BUILD IS WORSE HOW? it doesn't have a paint job. for 1700 you can gtea tavor or scar 16 that has a piston. & that is one fugly stock.it looks like a one trick pony Where are you finding a $1700 scar, or do you mean a healed flesh wound? |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:55:53 PM EDT
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BCM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas 11595E Barrel (w/ perm BCMGUNFIGHTER™ Compensator Mod 1) HSP Logo Laser Etched on Magwell and Upper Receiver Joint Force Enterprises Applied HSP Disruptive Grey Cerakote Geissele SMR Mk1 Free Float Handguards BCMGUNFIGHTER Pistol Grip BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle B5 Systems SOPMOD Bravo Stock End Plate with QD Swivel Attachment ALG Defense ACT Trigger Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight Impact Weapon Components Thorntail Mount Inforce WML-HSP BCM® Magazine w/ Magpul Follower Why isn't the Jack Carbine rifle mocked for running right about $2k? Isnt the Jack Carbine a regular BCM rifle with a Geissele rail and ALG trigger, a light and a slick paint job? Seems like this Reaper33 has a step up in components and is cheaper... is this more about looks and brand? Get rid of the bling on these rifles and part for part, which rifle is more bang-for-the-buck? I'm not into the showy aspect of the Reaper 33 ( a liitle too "Seekins" for me)but it seems like a well thought out weapon ( except for that big ole hook looking buttstock and overdone rail) Reaper 33
Upper Receiver Upper Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, hand fitted to the barrel extension and trued receiver mating surface (blue-printed) Barrel- 14.5" Shilen 416R Stainless Steel, 4 groove Ratchet Rifling, 1:8 twist, Hand lapped with a medium heavy contour, Mid-Length Gas, .223 Wylde chamber Flash Hider- Templar Tactical suppressor mountable flash hider, tack welded to barrel Charging Handle- Rainier Arms Raptor ambidextrous charging handle Rail- Arsenal Democracy custom design 13" design, 5 QD points, with 3 sides of Key mod attachment points, SLR Rifleworks manufactured Gas Block- 16 setting adjustable made from 4140 steel, SLR Rifleworks custom Bolt Carrier Group- Chrome lined carrier and key with microslick coating, this is a standard full-auto carrier that is 8620 steel with a cm-158 Bolt, Shot-peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Lower Receiver Lower Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, designed for seamless fitment with the upper Trigger- Geissele 2 stage Safety Selector- Battle Arms Development- Ambidextrous Safety Selector Magazine Release- Norgon Ambidextrous mag release button Buffer tube- PWS 416, Billet 7075 T6 buffer tube with 2 built in QD's Buffer- Arsenal Democracy custom 117 gram tungsten powder buffer, microslicked Butt Stock- Mission First Tactical Mil Spec Minimalist stock, weighs in at 5.9 Oz's Pistol Grip- Mission First Tactical EPGI16, 3 interchangeable front and rear straps for different hand types Rear take-down pin and bolt catch utilizes set screw instead of roll pin for ease of disassembly |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 7:19:23 PM EDT
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Because you would be better off with this: SR-15 Mod 1 http://www.knightarmco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2012_MOD1_Right1.jpg Proven rifle from a proven, reputable company. Now we're talking! Yup /thread |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 7:47:30 PM EDT
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Perfect summation of this new "Special Operations Forces Team Member" assembled rifle. Love those set screws in place of standard rear take-down pins. That just has winner written all over it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Rear take-down pin and bolt catch utilizes set screw instead of roll pin for ease of disassembly"
Perfect summation of this new "Special Operations Forces Team Member" assembled rifle. Love those set screws in place of standard rear take-down pins. That just has winner written all over it... I'm pretty sure they use set screws to capture the springs for the detents, and not actually using a screw in place of a take-down pin. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 7:59:41 PM EDT
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The Arsenal Democracy thread disappeared from M4C. Too much braggadocio from the company reps, and working professionals on that site calling them out for doing so. I don't wish to see a company get hammered with criticism without a fair shake and a chance to prove themselves, but when your message comes across sounding like "you should buy our shit because it's badass and it's made by badasses, and you have no right to question the validity of our badassness because our badassness speaks for itself" then you're going to ruffle some feathers. Humility goes a long way. I'd also recommend something along the lines of an SR-15E3. KAC is renowned company who is no stranger to making guns for true quiet professionals and hardcore end users, are innovative and have the track record and reputation to back it up. Most importantly, they don't have to tout how awesome they are because the product speaks for itself. Real bad boys move in silence.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:27:24 PM EDT
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The Arsenal Democracy thread disappeared from M4C. Too much braggadocio from the company reps, and working professionals on that site calling them out for doing so. I don't wish to see a company get hammered with criticism without a fair shake and a chance to prove themselves, but when your message comes across sounding like "you should buy our shit because it's badass and it's made by badasses, and you have no right to question the validity of our badassness because our badassness speaks for itself" then you're going to ruffle some feathers. Humility goes a long way. I'd also recommend something along the lines of an SR-15E3. KAC is renowned company who is no stranger to making guns for true quiet professionals and hardcore end users, are innovative and have the track record and reputation to back it up. Most importantly, they don't have to tout how awesome they are because the product speaks for itself. Real bad boys move in silence. There was also quite a bit of bullshit sniping and false accusations in that thread too. It was best for everyone that the thread went away. I'll agree with the humility comment. That's part of the reason I'm starting to distance myself from LaRue products...his actions on this board. I still think that the parts on this rifle are quality, even if they don't meet everyone's exact tastes. |
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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:40:05 PM EDT
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nice derail.
OP, the rifle is obviously marketed to guys who are into the unique aesthetics. If you like it, get it. If you want to be talked out of it, you don't really want it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:52:42 PM EDT
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nice derail. OP, the rifle is obviously marketed to guys who are into the unique aesthetics. If you like it, get it. If you want to be talked out of it, you don't really want it. I will end up getting one like I said. I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:35:11 PM EDT
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I will end up getting one like I said. I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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nice derail. OP, the rifle is obviously marketed to guys who are into the unique aesthetics. If you like it, get it. If you want to be talked out of it, you don't really want it. I will end up getting one like I said. I just wanted to hear someone else's opinion. Please post on its accuracy and overall performance. I'll bet it is a tackdriver. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:57:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2013 11:44:08 PM EDT
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[ Why isn't the Jack Carbine rifle mocked for running right about $2k? Isnt the Jack Carbine a regular BCM rifle with a Geissele rail and ALG trigger, a light and a slick paint job? Seems like this Reaper33 has a step up in components and is cheaper... is this more about looks and brand? Get rid of the bling on these rifles and part for part, which rifle is more bang-for-the-buck? I'm not into the showy aspect of the Reaper 33 ( a liitle too "Seekins" for me)but it seems like a well thought out weapon ( except for that big ole hook looking buttstock and overdone rail) Quote HistoryQuoted:
[ http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2012/12/SEC4149w1.jpg BCM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas 11595E Barrel (w/ perm BCMGUNFIGHTER™ Compensator Mod 1) HSP Logo Laser Etched on Magwell and Upper Receiver Joint Force Enterprises Applied HSP Disruptive Grey Cerakote Geissele SMR Mk1 Free Float Handguards BCMGUNFIGHTER Pistol Grip BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle B5 Systems SOPMOD Bravo Stock End Plate with QD Swivel Attachment ALG Defense ACT Trigger Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight Impact Weapon Components Thorntail Mount Inforce WML-HSP BCM® Magazine w/ Magpul Follower Why isn't the Jack Carbine rifle mocked for running right about $2k? Isnt the Jack Carbine a regular BCM rifle with a Geissele rail and ALG trigger, a light and a slick paint job? Seems like this Reaper33 has a step up in components and is cheaper... is this more about looks and brand? Get rid of the bling on these rifles and part for part, which rifle is more bang-for-the-buck? I'm not into the showy aspect of the Reaper 33 ( a liitle too "Seekins" for me)but it seems like a well thought out weapon ( except for that big ole hook looking buttstock and overdone rail) Reaper 33
http://static.squarespace.com/static/51b56af0e4b0de8ae9a880e5/t/526a8120e4b01768fee9995c/1382711600347/spash%20page%20reaper.jpg?format=1500w Upper Receiver Upper Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, hand fitted to the barrel extension and trued receiver mating surface (blue-printed) Barrel- 14.5" Shilen 416R Stainless Steel, 4 groove Ratchet Rifling, 1:8 twist, Hand lapped with a medium heavy contour, Mid-Length Gas, .223 Wylde chamber Flash Hider- Templar Tactical suppressor mountable flash hider, tack welded to barrel Charging Handle- Rainier Arms Raptor ambidextrous charging handle Rail- Arsenal Democracy custom design 13" design, 5 QD points, with 3 sides of Key mod attachment points, SLR Rifleworks manufactured Gas Block- 16 setting adjustable made from 4140 steel, SLR Rifleworks custom Bolt Carrier Group- Chrome lined carrier and key with microslick coating, this is a standard full-auto carrier that is 8620 steel with a cm-158 Bolt, Shot-peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Lower Receiver Lower Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, designed for seamless fitment with the upper Trigger- Geissele 2 stage Safety Selector- Battle Arms Development- Ambidextrous Safety Selector Magazine Release- Norgon Ambidextrous mag release button Buffer tube- PWS 416, Billet 7075 T6 buffer tube with 2 built in QD's Buffer- Arsenal Democracy custom 117 gram tungsten powder buffer, microslicked Butt Stock- Mission First Tactical Mil Spec Minimalist stock, weighs in at 5.9 Oz's Pistol Grip- Mission First Tactical EPGI16, 3 interchangeable front and rear straps for different hand types Rear take-down pin and bolt catch utilizes set screw instead of roll pin for ease of disassembly Because BCM is a reputable company that produces a consistent high-quality product. |
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Posted: 11/23/2013 9:50:15 AM EDT
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I like it. It's unique and seems to be built with top quality parts for a reasonable price. I think I'd rather have an 18" barrel though. I like light weight barrels on anything under 16 inches.
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Posted: 11/23/2013 10:02:13 AM EDT
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Because BCM is a reputable company that produces a consistent high-quality product. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[ http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2012/12/SEC4149w1.jpg BCM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas 11595E Barrel (w/ perm BCMGUNFIGHTER™ Compensator Mod 1) HSP Logo Laser Etched on Magwell and Upper Receiver Joint Force Enterprises Applied HSP Disruptive Grey Cerakote Geissele SMR Mk1 Free Float Handguards BCMGUNFIGHTER Pistol Grip BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle B5 Systems SOPMOD Bravo Stock End Plate with QD Swivel Attachment ALG Defense ACT Trigger Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight Impact Weapon Components Thorntail Mount Inforce WML-HSP BCM® Magazine w/ Magpul Follower Why isn't the Jack Carbine rifle mocked for running right about $2k? Isnt the Jack Carbine a regular BCM rifle with a Geissele rail and ALG trigger, a light and a slick paint job? Seems like this Reaper33 has a step up in components and is cheaper... is this more about looks and brand? Get rid of the bling on these rifles and part for part, which rifle is more bang-for-the-buck? I'm not into the showy aspect of the Reaper 33 ( a liitle too "Seekins" for me)but it seems like a well thought out weapon ( except for that big ole hook looking buttstock and overdone rail) Reaper 33
http://static.squarespace.com/static/51b56af0e4b0de8ae9a880e5/t/526a8120e4b01768fee9995c/1382711600347/spash%20page%20reaper.jpg?format=1500w Upper Receiver Upper Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, hand fitted to the barrel extension and trued receiver mating surface (blue-printed) Barrel- 14.5" Shilen 416R Stainless Steel, 4 groove Ratchet Rifling, 1:8 twist, Hand lapped with a medium heavy contour, Mid-Length Gas, .223 Wylde chamber Flash Hider- Templar Tactical suppressor mountable flash hider, tack welded to barrel Charging Handle- Rainier Arms Raptor ambidextrous charging handle Rail- Arsenal Democracy custom design 13" design, 5 QD points, with 3 sides of Key mod attachment points, SLR Rifleworks manufactured Gas Block- 16 setting adjustable made from 4140 steel, SLR Rifleworks custom Bolt Carrier Group- Chrome lined carrier and key with microslick coating, this is a standard full-auto carrier that is 8620 steel with a cm-158 Bolt, Shot-peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Lower Receiver Lower Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, designed for seamless fitment with the upper Trigger- Geissele 2 stage Safety Selector- Battle Arms Development- Ambidextrous Safety Selector Magazine Release- Norgon Ambidextrous mag release button Buffer tube- PWS 416, Billet 7075 T6 buffer tube with 2 built in QD's Buffer- Arsenal Democracy custom 117 gram tungsten powder buffer, microslicked Butt Stock- Mission First Tactical Mil Spec Minimalist stock, weighs in at 5.9 Oz's Pistol Grip- Mission First Tactical EPGI16, 3 interchangeable front and rear straps for different hand types Rear take-down pin and bolt catch utilizes set screw instead of roll pin for ease of disassembly Because BCM is a reputable company that produces a consistent high-quality product. Ok... but take the cerakote, Haley name and flashlite off and you have a $1300 dollar rifle. I am not knocking anybody for buying the Jack. I just think it is weird to balk at the Reaper's price tag and not blink at the Jack's, considering the sum of their parts. |
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Posted: 11/23/2013 11:38:03 AM EDT
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Ok... but take the cerakote, Haley name and flashlite off and you have a $1300 dollar rifle. I am not knocking anybody for buying the Jack. I just think it is weird to balk at the Reaper's price tag and not blink at the Jack's, considering the sum of their parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[ http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gearscout/files/2012/12/SEC4149w1.jpg BCM® 14.5" Mid Length Gas 11595E Barrel (w/ perm BCMGUNFIGHTER™ Compensator Mod 1) HSP Logo Laser Etched on Magwell and Upper Receiver Joint Force Enterprises Applied HSP Disruptive Grey Cerakote Geissele SMR Mk1 Free Float Handguards BCMGUNFIGHTER Pistol Grip BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle B5 Systems SOPMOD Bravo Stock End Plate with QD Swivel Attachment ALG Defense ACT Trigger Troy Ind/BCM Rear Folding Battle Sight Impact Weapon Components Thorntail Mount Inforce WML-HSP BCM® Magazine w/ Magpul Follower Why isn't the Jack Carbine rifle mocked for running right about $2k? Isnt the Jack Carbine a regular BCM rifle with a Geissele rail and ALG trigger, a light and a slick paint job? Seems like this Reaper33 has a step up in components and is cheaper... is this more about looks and brand? Get rid of the bling on these rifles and part for part, which rifle is more bang-for-the-buck? I'm not into the showy aspect of the Reaper 33 ( a liitle too "Seekins" for me)but it seems like a well thought out weapon ( except for that big ole hook looking buttstock and overdone rail) Reaper 33
http://static.squarespace.com/static/51b56af0e4b0de8ae9a880e5/t/526a8120e4b01768fee9995c/1382711600347/spash%20page%20reaper.jpg?format=1500w Upper Receiver Upper Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, hand fitted to the barrel extension and trued receiver mating surface (blue-printed) Barrel- 14.5" Shilen 416R Stainless Steel, 4 groove Ratchet Rifling, 1:8 twist, Hand lapped with a medium heavy contour, Mid-Length Gas, .223 Wylde chamber Flash Hider- Templar Tactical suppressor mountable flash hider, tack welded to barrel Charging Handle- Rainier Arms Raptor ambidextrous charging handle Rail- Arsenal Democracy custom design 13" design, 5 QD points, with 3 sides of Key mod attachment points, SLR Rifleworks manufactured Gas Block- 16 setting adjustable made from 4140 steel, SLR Rifleworks custom Bolt Carrier Group- Chrome lined carrier and key with microslick coating, this is a standard full-auto carrier that is 8620 steel with a cm-158 Bolt, Shot-peened, Magnetic Particle Inspected Lower Receiver Lower Receiver- 7075 T6 Arsenal Democracy custom, designed for seamless fitment with the upper Trigger- Geissele 2 stage Safety Selector- Battle Arms Development- Ambidextrous Safety Selector Magazine Release- Norgon Ambidextrous mag release button Buffer tube- PWS 416, Billet 7075 T6 buffer tube with 2 built in QD's Buffer- Arsenal Democracy custom 117 gram tungsten powder buffer, microslicked Butt Stock- Mission First Tactical Mil Spec Minimalist stock, weighs in at 5.9 Oz's Pistol Grip- Mission First Tactical EPGI16, 3 interchangeable front and rear straps for different hand types Rear take-down pin and bolt catch utilizes set screw instead of roll pin for ease of disassembly Because BCM is a reputable company that produces a consistent high-quality product. Ok... but take the cerakote, Haley name and flashlite off and you have a $1300 dollar rifle. I am not knocking anybody for buying the Jack. I just think it is weird to balk at the Reaper's price tag and not blink at the Jack's, considering the sum of their parts. I wouldn't buy a Jack carbine either. |
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Posted: 11/23/2013 12:05:51 PM EDT
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Talk me out of this one. Why? I'll do my best. NOT. If you can afford it, you'd be stupid NOT to buy it. Oh, and as for all the other guns people are saying are better - PSHAW. I didn't make it through the whole thread, but every one that I did see were no more than plain jane ARs with a spiffy handguard stuck on. Your choice is WAY cooler. |
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Posted: 11/23/2013 12:28:15 PM EDT
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I'll do my best. NOT. If you can afford it, you'd be stupid NOT to buy it. Oh, and as for all the other guns people are saying are better - PSHAW. I didn't make it through the whole thread, but every one that I did see were no more than plain jane ARs with a spiffy handguard stuck on. Your choice is WAY cooler. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk me out of this one. Why? I'll do my best. NOT. If you can afford it, you'd be stupid NOT to buy it. Oh, and as for all the other guns people are saying are better - PSHAW. I didn't make it through the whole thread, but every one that I did see were no more than plain jane ARs with a spiffy handguard stuck on. Your choice is WAY cooler. This. |
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Posted: 11/23/2013 1:09:06 PM EDT
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I'll do my best. NOT. If you can afford it, you'd be stupid NOT to buy it. Oh, and as for all the other guns people are saying are better - PSHAW. I didn't make it through the whole thread, but every one that I did see were no more than plain jane ARs with a spiffy handguard stuck on. Your choice is WAY cooler. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Talk me out of this one. Why? I'll do my best. NOT. If you can afford it, you'd be stupid NOT to buy it. Oh, and as for all the other guns people are saying are better - PSHAW. I didn't make it through the whole thread, but every one that I did see were no more than plain jane ARs with a spiffy handguard stuck on. Your choice is WAY cooler. I dont know about cooler but better... yes. The only weapons I saw mentioned that are the same level or higher component wise were the KAC SR 15 and Noveske rifles. |
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