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Posted: 12/25/2011 7:45:14 PM EST
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Before I got my collapsible stock in for my M4 upper I had a A1 lower on it.
My 14.5 middy upper(since sold) had a A1 lower on it at the time. 
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Posted: 12/25/2011 8:56:00 PM EST
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I'm running Colt SP1 A1 stocks on a Colt 6520 A2 carbine, a BCM Middy and frankengun heavy barrel A2 carbine. I like the A1 length stock.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 9:07:15 PM EST
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Posted: 12/25/2011 10:45:59 PM EST
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I've got a M16 stock on mine and it fits me so well I can't make myself change it even if it might look dorky.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 1:26:35 AM EST
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I kind of like the look. There's absolutely nothing wrong with an A1/A2 stock and 16" is long enough for it bring the center of gravity farther back. Win-win.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 5:10:47 AM EST
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:03:02 AM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:10:50 AM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. if you drop a A2 buttplate onto it i think it does, destroyed that chinsy rubber/plastic plate and had to swap it out. 
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:15:10 AM EST
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If you want A1 length the CavArms stock is fine; if you want a bonafide A1 stock they're not hard to find. I've got them off the EE and from U.S. Collectors Ordnance.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:16:29 AM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:27:00 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. I have been using one for years. How is it "not a good item"? |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:01:07 AM EST
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OP,
Have a USGI A1 on a 20" because I prefer that length over A2. Same on a 16" because the NJ required pinned collapsible offers no advantages over it and the A1 is easier for me to get a good cheek weld. FWIW YMMV |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:05:21 AM EST
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Just so everyone knows, the KAC M110 Sniper Rifle issued by the Army utilizes the Cav Arms A1 Buttstock(prior to modification).
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:10:00 AM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. I have been using one for years. How is it "not a good item"? The buttplate pretty much self destructs upon installation. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:30:16 AM EST
[#15]
One AR-10 and two AR-15's with A-1 length buttstocks.
Right length and perfect for a KISS build. 
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:11:04 AM EST
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The Cav Arms is serviceable with another buttplate, but is not a thing of beauty with the mold marks; probably stronger than an actual A1.
Love the A1 length, and never understood the whole A2 thing (somebody in the AMU with simian arms?); the longer stock sure as hell doesn't fit me, and I'm the median man. Can't get my nose to the charging handle even with the A1. Kinda like the idea of putting an A1-length on a carbine (the pics are sharp, guys), but the adjustable is less trouble. But I just checked mine; guess what length it is set for? Moon |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:12:55 AM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. if you drop a A2 buttplate onto it i think it does, destroyed that chinsy rubber/plastic plate and had to swap it out. That would make it a hollow A1 starter kit that can be modified into a useable A1 stock, although every one of them I have seen has some sort of wrinkle/seam/depression down the side of them which while not affecting functionality looks cheap and shitty. So from my perspective the only part of that criteria that they meet is "new". |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:17:20 AM EST
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Quoted: Oh, I have never used it, I have plenty of a2 buttplates. I think several places sell Cav stocks with regular buttplates now. Maybe fulton armory and dsg?Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. I have been using one for years. How is it "not a good item"? The buttplate pretty much self destructs upon installation. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:25:02 AM EST
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Fulton sells them with a good buttplate.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:29:38 AM EST
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Quoted: The line you see is not a seam, the buffer tube is molded into the Cavarms stock while Colts have a plastic insert that is glued in, you are seeing the line where the interior plastic forms the bottom of the buffer tube.Quoted: Quoted: I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. if you drop a A2 buttplate onto it i think it does, destroyed that chinsy rubber/plastic plate and had to swap it out. That would make it a hollow A1 starter kit that can be modified into a useable A1 stock, although every one of them I have seen has some sort of wrinkle/seam/depression down the side of them which while not affecting functionality looks cheap and shitty. So from my perspective the only part of that criteria that they meet is "new". |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:33:50 AM EST
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The line you see is not a seam, the buffer tube is molded into the Cavarms stock while Colts have a plastic insert that is glued in, you are seeing the line where the interior plastic forms the bottom of the buffer tube.
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. if you drop a A2 buttplate onto it i think it does, destroyed that chinsy rubber/plastic plate and had to swap it out. That would make it a hollow A1 starter kit that can be modified into a useable A1 stock, although every one of them I have seen has some sort of wrinkle/seam/depression down the side of them which while not affecting functionality looks cheap and shitty. So from my perspective the only part of that criteria that they meet is "new". I know what I'm seeing (just I suppose didn't accurately describe it) and don't like it. The buttplate is a steaming piece of shit and Cav should have never let them out the door like that. Quality is quality, not something that you can make seiceable by replacing parts on a new stock, hence my original statement of "NEW,QUALITY A1". |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:41:59 AM EST
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Quoted: I know what I'm seeing (just I suppose didn't accurately describe it) and don't like it. The buttplate is a steaming piece of shit and Cav should have never let them out the door like that. Quality is quality, not something that you can make seiceable by replacing parts on a new stock, hence my original statement of "NEW,QUALITY A1". And as is common knowledge you can buy the stock with a standard buttplate from several supplies. I guess I'm kinda stumped that anyone would care about that line where the buffer tube molding is. I've used one for years works fine, looks like a stock to me, to each their own. If you aren't happy you aren't. Vltor sells an A1 buttstock and there's a "M.A.G.S." brand A1 stock that looks sorta like the Vltor. As far as I know all recent production a1 length stocks are from Cavarms. There are plenty of surplus stocks around obviously, in my experience even new in wrap occaissionally the Colts will be cracked around the edges where the buttplate attaches |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:43:14 AM EST
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All of my carbines wear the full stock. I've never been a big fan of the collapsible stocks on the AR's even back in the SP1 carbine days when I started messing with the AR rifle(early 70's)
Rick SGF, Mo. 
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Posted: 12/26/2011 8:51:42 AM EST
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Unissued M16A1 stock, buffer, spring and tube set from Sarco on my 16" mid-length, medium-contour 1:7 CMMG upper on an Aero lower. I since took off the handle and use an ACOG-type scope. I call it my 'Mini-Rifle'. It feels and handles like a rifle compared to the chopped Colt 6721.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 9:39:51 AM EST
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The C1 is not an A1 stock. It is A1 length, that and the general shape are where it's similarities to an A1 end. The C1 has a larger trap door compartment than that of other AR15 buttstocks, because the buffer tube channel and trap door compartment are formed in the mold. The sling swivel can be offset to either left or right in addition to straight down. The C1 is injection molded from glass filled nylon 6, a more durable material than the original A1 stock. The C1 stock is currently used with an adjustable buttplate added by KAC on the M110 Semi Auto Sniper System.
C1 stocks have been available direct from Cavalry Arms, and now Cavalry Manufacturing without the injection molded buttplate for at least 7 years. Cavalry Manufacturing offers the C1 as a shell only with short screw, with the economical injection molded buttplate, and an A2 buttplate assembly. We sell them in these different configurations to fit the different needs of our customers whether they be retail, dealer, or OEM. If you cannot find a dealer that is selling them in the configuration you need, please order from us directly through our webstore here or by calling 480-833-9685 |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 9:45:31 AM EST
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I can see the point i your in a ban state.
Now if your not, i honestly dont see the point of them except for clone builds or if you like the looks. since VLTOR came out with the A5 i couldnt see myself using a A1/2 stock |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 10:57:17 AM EST
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specs? i like this |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 11:06:07 AM EST
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would a sully stock be similar in setup?
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Posted: 12/26/2011 11:09:13 AM EST
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Quoted: would a sully stock be similar in setup? No. A sully stock is shorter than an A1, is solid and uses a carbine length receiver extension. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 12:49:16 PM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. I have been using one for years. How is it "not a good item"? I am sorry Aimless, but I just was very disappointed with the CAV ARMS A1 stock. I do not seem to be alone on this. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 1:57:15 PM EST
[#31]
The CAV ARMS stock that I got was a flimsy POS,and got traded away the day I got it
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Posted: 12/26/2011 2:03:36 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. I have been using one for years. How is it "not a good item"? I am sorry Aimless, but I just was very disappointed with the CAV ARMS A1 stock. I do not seem to be alone on this. You don't have to apologize to me I don't work there |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 2:04:28 PM EST
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How long is an A1 stock? A2?
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Posted: 12/26/2011 2:05:59 PM EST
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Quoted: The CAV ARMS stock that I got was a flimsy POS,and got traded away the day I got it  I used to hear the same nonsense about their plastic lowers, their lowers are fine the stocks are fine, they aren't flimsy I've used one for years. If you don't want on because you're concerned about appearances, fine, but there is nothing structurally wrong with Cavarms stocks.Oh and I have at least four new in wrap Colt A1 length stocks (cdnn sold a huge pile of them once)
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Posted: 12/26/2011 3:24:05 PM EST
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I've always thought an A1-stocked lower with a 16" dissy upper would look kinda cool...
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Posted: 12/26/2011 3:57:05 PM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I have to agree. I had the CAV ARMS and returned it. Not a good item in my opinion. I have been using one for years. How is it "not a good item"? The buttplate pretty much self destructs upon installation. Plate is replaceable. I never even put the standard plate on mine. A2 plate on CAV A1 stock makes it so much better. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 4:03:35 PM EST
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I've always thought an A1-stocked lower with a 16" dissy upper would look kinda cool... 
Pretty sure this is an A2 but you get the idea. It's 10 5/8" long. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 4:20:05 PM EST
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I like the combo on scoped rifles.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 4:21:16 PM EST
[#39]
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I've always thought an A1-stocked lower with a 16" dissy upper would look kinda cool... That's my plan for my next build.  Got the lower completed, saving for the upper now.
Oh and my fixed stock carbine. It's a 651 clone: 
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Posted: 12/26/2011 5:10:14 PM EST
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Anyone that has an issue with their C1 in appearance or construction, please contact us at 480-833-9685. The owner is interested in hearing from you and resolving your issues. The C1 mold has been retextured and improved in appearance since many of you purchased them.
The injection molded buttplates have been improved over the years too, they are now made from a harder durometer plastic. The only way to make a buttplate "self destruct" is by overtorquing the screw; only tighten them down until they are snug. If you're concerned about them coming loose, blue locktite them in place. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:42:30 PM EST
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specs? i like this That was my first AR built the day the AWB sunset in 2004. BM 14.5" M4 barrel with permanently attached Phantom, RRA BCG and lower, Tango Down pistol grip, and Cavalry Arms C1 stock with BM floor plate. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 6:55:02 PM EST
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I've always thought an A1-stocked lower with a 16" dissy upper would look kinda cool... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v65/Farnsrocket/gun%20stuff/IMG_2503-1.jpg Pretty sure this is an A2 but you get the idea. It's 10 5/8" long. I like that. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:03:49 PM EST
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An A1 including buttplate is 10" long. An A2 is 5/8" longer. You can see and feel the difference.
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:17:42 PM EST
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The CAV ARMS stock that I got was a flimsy POS,and got traded away the day I got it +1 All I had ever known was Colt A2 rifles. I couldn't believe what I had received when I bought the cav A1. Sold it and bought an FN A1 stock from the EE. Was relieved anyone would even want it, but the buyer was happy. They may be great now, just my experience. |
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Posted: 12/26/2011 7:22:43 PM EST
[#45]
A2 midlength KISS
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Posted: 12/27/2011 2:44:14 AM EST
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Anyone that has an issue with their C1 in appearance or construction, please contact us at 480-833-9685. The owner is interested in hearing from you and resolving your issues. The C1 mold has been retextured and improved in appearance since many of you purchased them. The injection molded buttplates have been improved over the years too, they are now made from a harder durometer plastic. The only way to make a buttplate "self destruct" is by overtorquing the screw; only tighten them down until they are snug. If you're concerned about them coming loose, blue locktite them in place. Well thats a stand up deal there. I can live with the appearance and have been for some time and would not ask you to do anything about it beyond assure me that if I were to buy another it wouldn't be that way. The butt plate on the other hand is not a matter of appearance but of function and would very much like to exchange it for one that secures the stock to the lower receiver adequately. The one I have much more closely resembles rubber tham plastic and has enough flexibility that you can pull the stock off the receiver. Is there a specific individual to contact? |
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Posted: 12/27/2011 4:31:10 AM EST
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I like that. Thanks! Quoted:
An A1 including buttplate is 10" long. An A2 is 5/8" longer. You can see and feel the difference. Thanks for the clarification! |
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Posted: 12/27/2011 4:44:27 AM EST
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I think if there was a reliable souce for ready to use NEW , QUALITY A1 stocks, more people would use them. Cav Arms doesn't fit that criteria in my opinion. I concur; were the Cav Arms folks to make an A1 length stock that looked like a traditional stock, but with the strength of an A2, I've got to think that they would sell some. Personally have no need of the three-position sling loop, and the plastic buttplate was pretty crappy. I replaced mine with an A2, which solved the problem. By meeting two needs, they might well sell more product. Moon |
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Posted: 12/27/2011 6:48:14 AM EST
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Well thats a stand up deal there. I can live with the appearance and have been for some time and would not ask you to do anything about it beyond assure me that if I were to buy another it wouldn't be that way. The butt plate on the other hand is not a matter of appearance but of function and would very much like to exchange it for one that secures the stock to the lower receiver adequately. The one I have much more closely resembles rubber tham plastic and has enough flexibility that you can pull the stock off the receiver. Is there a specific individual to contact? Christian is the owner, and the guy you want to speak with. He is in and out of the office regularly, so e-mail me your contact information and I will have him call you; [email protected] Quoted:
I concur; were the Cav Arms folks to make an A1 length stock that looked like a traditional stock, but with the strength of an A2, I've got to think that they would sell some. Personally have no need of the three-position sling loop, and the plastic buttplate was pretty crappy. I replaced mine with an A2, which solved the problem. Are people breaking C1s, or does it merely appear not as strong as an A2 because its not filled with foam? The material the C1 is made out of is stronger than the thin plastic shell filled with foam of an A1 or A2. We've run them over with trucks and they don't crack. The only way I've managed to break one is by hitting the storage compartment area from the side with a hammer. Combat racking or any other normal use hasn't damaged them in my experience. I also need to reiterate we sell the C1 in 3 forms: Shell with short screw only: you have an A2 stock already and want a shorter stock, pull it off and use all your existing hardware. For black the price is $25.00 Shell with short screw, sling swivel, and our injection molded buttplate assembly: For black the price is $40.00 Shell with short screw, sling swivel, and A2 buttplate assembly: For black the price is $55.00 Add a complete buffer tube assembly with buffer and spring for $30.00 The C1 does not need to use the injection molded buttplate assembly, nor does it need to be purchased with it. Some of our distributors prefer to carry it with the injection molded assembly, so we sell it to them in that configuration. |
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Posted: 12/27/2011 7:32:58 AM EST
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Well thats a stand up deal there. I can live with the appearance and have been for some time and would not ask you to do anything about it beyond assure me that if I were to buy another it wouldn't be that way. The butt plate on the other hand is not a matter of appearance but of function and would very much like to exchange it for one that secures the stock to the lower receiver adequately. The one I have much more closely resembles rubber tham plastic and has enough flexibility that you can pull the stock off the receiver. Is there a specific individual to contact? Christian is the owner, and the guy you want to speak with. He is in and out of the office regularly, so e-mail me your contact information and I will have him call you; [email protected] Quoted:
I concur; were the Cav Arms folks to make an A1 length stock that looked like a traditional stock, but with the strength of an A2, I've got to think that they would sell some. Personally have no need of the three-position sling loop, and the plastic buttplate was pretty crappy. I replaced mine with an A2, which solved the problem. Are people breaking C1s, or does it merely appear not as strong as an A2 because its not filled with foam? The material the C1 is made out of is stronger than the thin plastic shell filled with foam of an A1 or A2. We've run them over with trucks and they don't crack. The only way I've managed to break one is by hitting the storage compartment area from the side with a hammer. Combat racking or any other normal use hasn't damaged them in my experience. I also need to reiterate we sell the C1 in 3 forms: Shell with short screw only: you have an A2 stock already and want a shorter stock, pull it off and use all your existing hardware. For black the price is $25.00 Shell with short screw, sling swivel, and our injection molded buttplate assembly: For black the price is $40.00 Shell with short screw, sling swivel, and A2 buttplate assembly: For black the price is $55.00 Add a complete buffer tube assembly with buffer and spring for $30.00 The C1 does not need to use the injection molded buttplate assembly, nor does it need to be purchased with it. Some of our distributors prefer to carry it with the injection molded assembly, so we sell it to them in that configuration. I don't think people are breaking them, I certainly haven't heard of it. I will say though that the use of foam is effective at promoting the image of a more solid stock, regardless whether it does or not. So the extremely lightweight shell, combined with the injection molded butt plate, just doesn't exude quality. I quite honestly was unaware that you offered buttplate options although I have had mine for several (3 or 4?) years and purchased it as a complete (stock/tube/buffer/spring) assembly. I think I owe the OP an apology for hijacking his thread and you for stirring controvery, neither of which were my intent. I sent you my contact information using the email user link, if that is not correct let me know. |
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