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yup, that thing sucks....
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While I haven't seen one in person, I do like the concept a lot. Ignore the haters, enjoy your scope! Exactly... Looks like an interesting, well made piece of glass. More choice drives ALL makes to improve their products, and keep costs down. |
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Have to admit, I kinda like it. Nice feature set and hopefully, it proves to be reliable. OP, keep us all updated if you don't mind, please.
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The 4x32 BROWE Combat Optic has a four page spread in the April issue of SWAT Magazine. The issue hits the streets tomorrow!
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I think it's great someone is trying to take on Trijicon head on. Even diehard Trijicon fans should be happy about this.
A kick in the ass and a little hard competition is good for everyone; especially the consumer. I have an Accupoint sitting on a shelf at Trijicon waiting for warranty work due to a canted reticle. Maybe an overloaded rework station and another company breathing down their necks will motivate them to put out a better product. Just sayin'... |
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The 4x32 BROWE Combat Optic has a four page spread in the April issue of SWAT Magazine. The issue hits the streets tomorrow! I got it. The article states the BROWE compensates for brightness based on TARGET lighting conditions, not ambient light. Interesting... The article is written like it is by someone who has $$$ invested in the product. It reads like a long advertisement. |
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The 4x32 BROWE Combat Optic has a four page spread in the April issue of SWAT Magazine. The issue hits the streets tomorrow! I got it. The article states the BROWE compensates for brightness based on TARGET lighting conditions, not ambient light. Interesting... The article is written like it is by someone who has $$$ invested in the product. It reads like a long advertisement. This. |
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The 4x32 BROWE Combat Optic has a four page spread in the April issue of SWAT Magazine. The issue hits the streets tomorrow! I got it. The article states the BROWE compensates for brightness based on TARGET lighting conditions, not ambient light. Interesting... The article is written like it is by someone who has $$$ invested in the product. It reads like a long advertisement. This. I thought that's what the gun magazines were these days. Say good things about the stuff you feature or advertising $$$ dissapear. Tell me this, How is the Browe's MSRP less than the battery-powered ACOG, and yet it still has more features? |
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Looks like the battery powered ACOG is up on Trijicon's website and so far I'm not impressed at all. I'm so freakin' glad I didn't wait for the battery powered ACOG and went with the BCO. No regrets feels great! TA02: ACOG 4x32 LED Scope "...with a straightforward brightness dial, allowing the operator to determine how much to illuminate the reticle—even in transitional lighting." Rather than an Auto setting like on my BCO, with this thing it looks like you have to adjust the brightness yourself using a dial on the left side. Trijicon says noting about auto brightness or light sensors. No thanks! With that and only a red crosshair reticle being offered (no chevron!), I'll stick with the BCO. The BCO is also made out of titanium versus aluminum of the ACOG (not a deal breaker, but still...). I don't care if this battery ACOG lasted 10,000 years on a single AA, it just doesn't have the features I would expect like my BCO when paying $1400. Do you work for the company cause your fanboism is strong, that said id rather have the ACOG, and i laughed at the titanium vs aluminum comparison like it matters. Like i need auto brightness turning a dial takes 1 second +1 on this comment. The guy above is selling, or else he his has all of his ego on Auto setting ridding along with what the internet thinks of the BCO. |
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Looks like the battery powered ACOG is up on Trijicon's website and so far I'm not impressed at all. I'm so freakin' glad I didn't wait for the battery powered ACOG and went with the BCO. No regrets feels great! TA02: ACOG 4x32 LED Scope "...with a straightforward brightness dial, allowing the operator to determine how much to illuminate the reticle—even in transitional lighting." Rather than an Auto setting like on my BCO, with this thing it looks like you have to adjust the brightness yourself using a dial on the left side. Trijicon says noting about auto brightness or light sensors. No thanks! With that and only a red crosshair reticle being offered (no chevron!), I'll stick with the BCO. The BCO is also made out of titanium versus aluminum of the ACOG (not a deal breaker, but still...). I don't care if this battery ACOG lasted 10,000 years on a single AA, it just doesn't have the features I would expect like my BCO when paying $1400. Do you work for the company cause your fanboism is strong, that said id rather have the ACOG, and i laughed at the titanium vs aluminum comparison like it matters. Like i need auto brightness turning a dial takes 1 second +1 on this comment. The guy above is selling, or else he his has all of his ego on Auto setting ridding along with what the internet thinks of the BCO. lol You guys need to relax. Who cares even if he is. |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount I dont think I could ever buy it knowing i could have gotten it for $900 |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount LaRue is a option now I also agree with the above post, I would have a very hard time paying $1400 when they were on sale for $900 If they made them out of aluminum and charged $800 for them I would be all over one... fuck the titanium and the price tag that comes with it IMHO |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount You can also get it in a Larue mount. |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount Haha, try $2000 for a SpecterDR with ARMS mounts. Still a great optic. I think it's pretty clear that this is an advanced optic, which explains the price tag. As mentioned, the new battery ACOGs have less features but are comparably priced. |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount Haha, try $2000 for a SpecterDR with ARMS mounts. Still a great optic. I think it's pretty clear that this is an advanced optic, which explains the price tag. As mentioned, the new battery ACOGs have less features but are comparably priced. thats true but im not a fan of only 2,000 hrs for an ACOG type sight, i also agree with the $900 thing i dont even like the triji battery acog, i mean if im spending $1500 i want battery free on forever |
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Looks like the battery powered ACOG is up on Trijicon's website and so far I'm not impressed at all. I'm so freakin' glad I didn't wait for the battery powered ACOG and went with the BCO. No regrets feels great! TA02: ACOG 4x32 LED Scope "...with a straightforward brightness dial, allowing the operator to determine how much to illuminate the reticle—even in transitional lighting." Rather than an Auto setting like on my BCO, with this thing it looks like you have to adjust the brightness yourself using a dial on the left side. Trijicon says noting about auto brightness or light sensors. No thanks! With that and only a red crosshair reticle being offered (no chevron!), I'll stick with the BCO. The BCO is also made out of titanium versus aluminum of the ACOG (not a deal breaker, but still...). I don't care if this battery ACOG lasted 10,000 years on a single AA, it just doesn't have the features I would expect like my BCO when paying $1400. Do you work for the company cause your fanboism is strong, that said id rather have the ACOG, and i laughed at the titanium vs aluminum comparison like it matters. Like i need auto brightness turning a dial takes 1 second +1 on this comment. The guy above is selling, or else he his has all of his ego on Auto setting ridding along with what the internet thinks of the BCO. As stated in previous posts I don't sell for the company. I got the BCO w/ the LaRue mount and I really like it. As far as gun magazines go...we ALL know they are one giant advertisement. Nothing new there. |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount Haha, try $2000 for a SpecterDR with ARMS mounts. Still a great optic. I think it's pretty clear that this is an advanced optic, which explains the price tag. As mentioned, the new battery ACOGs have less features but are comparably priced. thats true but im not a fan of only 2,000 hrs for an ACOG type sight, i also agree with the $900 thing i dont even like the triji battery acog, i mean if im spending $1500 i want battery free on forever ? Tritium isn't "forever" ETA, you could be talking about fiber optics, but then not every a cog has that either. |
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the thing i hate about this optic is that i would pay $1400 for an optic on an ARMS mount Haha, try $2000 for a SpecterDR with ARMS mounts. Still a great optic. I think it's pretty clear that this is an advanced optic, which explains the price tag. As mentioned, the new battery ACOGs have less features but are comparably priced. thats true but im not a fan of only 2,000 hrs for an ACOG type sight, i also agree with the $900 thing i dont even like the triji battery acog, i mean if im spending $1500 i want battery free on forever ? Tritium isn't "forever" ETA, you could be talking about fiber optics, but then not every a cog has that either. tritium has about 10yrs then your fiber optics are forever. those are the only acogs i would ever use. if the BROWE had fiber optics and a 2,000hr battery life id get one in a hearbeat |
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I have used an ACOG in enough situations to come to believe that the tritium is almost useless. The fiber optic works just fine in every situation other than pitch black and the thing about pitch black is you are going to need a weapon light or NV to see where you are going if you are on the move. I suppose a stationary ambush position could make use of the tritium without NV but even in most "dark" situations, the fiber optic is supplying enough light to see the reticle. In law enforcement applications, using an illumination tool on an entry is SOP making the fiber optic all you need.
I have used Aimpoints, Eotechs and Trijicons and I just prefer the excellent glass and well defined edges of the chevron in my ACOG. Again, it all boils down to personal preference. I will admit I am curious to see how well the BROWE target light compensation feature works. |
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I have used an ACOG in enough situations to come to believe that the tritium is almost useless. The fiber optic works just fine in every situation other than pitch black and the thing about pitch black is you are going to need a weapon light or NV to see where you are going if you are on the move. I suppose a stationary ambush position could make use of the tritium without NV but even in most "dark" situations, the fiber optic is supplying enough light to see the reticle. In law enforcement applications, using an illumination tool on an entry is SOP making the fiber optic all you need. I have used Aimpoints, Eotechs and Trijicons and I just prefer the excellent glass and well defined edges of the chevron in my ACOG. Again, it all boils down to personal preference. I will admit I am curious to see how well the BROWE target light compensation feature works. I was hesitant to try the chevron reticle at first, but I'm glad I chose it. It's very fast. I can tell you the target light compensation feature works very well. The chevron changes brightness levels instantly when needed. |
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Forgot to mention I had quite a few folks ask me how I liked my ACOG.
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Forgot to mention I had quite a few folks ask me how I liked my ACOG. Looks good, i really like it but i wish it had fiber optics. |
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I looked through one at the local fun store and I was unimpressed. It seemed to have alot of flaring probs and my eye didn't know how to focus on the reticle or target?? The reticle kept going out of focus for some reason...I def prefer acog
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I looked through one at the local fun store and I was unimpressed. It seemed to have alot of flaring probs and my eye didn't know how to focus on the reticle or target?? The reticle kept going out of focus for some reason...I def prefer acog What is flaring? Mine is very crisp and I haven't had a problem focusing. If the reticle was off of the AUTO setting and was full-blast on MANUAL I could see how that could be overwhelming. On AUTO the edges are very defined. |
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Price & 1.5" eye relief will keep me from buying. I read that Browe had to make the eye relief 1.5" so that military night vision equipment already in use for the ACOG could be compatible. |
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I bought the BCO with the green crosshair reticle in the beginning of March. I called them up and talked to Brian the owner or Browe told him I wanted it in ATACS FG CAMO not the ATACS AU he said he was headed to Germany for a show and would personaly take care of it when he gets back. I knew it would take awhile before I got my scope so its no big deal. SOOOO Just got an email from Brian
I spoke with Phil Duke, owner of A-TACS at the IWA show in Germany and he said the A-TACS FG has been released. He also said that they would be willing to do a special run for your housing. I’ve tried emailing Phil twice since I’ve been back and I’ve not gotten a response. I’ll try calling him later this morning. Our supplier checked into it and he tells me that it will be 4-6 weeks before the A-TACS FG will be available??? Then I get this email from him 4 hours later I contacted Phil and spoke with him this morning. He gave me the contact information and we’ll be sending the housing out for the ATACS FG as soon as they get me an address. You will have the first one. Saweeet Im going to have the first one In A-TACS FG |
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I bought the BCO with the green crosshair reticle in the beginning of March. I called them up and talked to Brian the owner or Browe told him I wanted it in ATACS FG CAMO not the ATACS AU he said he was headed to Germany for a show and would personaly take care of it when he gets back. I knew it would take awhile before I got my scope so its no big deal. SOOOO Just got an email from Brian I spoke with Phil Duke, owner of A-TACS at the IWA show in Germany and he said the A-TACS FG has been released. He also said that they would be willing to do a special run for your housing. I’ve tried emailing Phil twice since I’ve been back and I’ve not gotten a response. I’ll try calling him later this morning. Our supplier checked into it and he tells me that it will be 4-6 weeks before the A-TACS FG will be available??? Then I get this email from him 4 hours later I contacted Phil and spoke with him this morning. He gave me the contact information and we’ll be sending the housing out for the ATACS FG as soon as they get me an address. You will have the first one. Saweeet Im going to have the first one In A-TACS FG Great customer service! |
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I don't have a dog in this fight either way as both of the optics being fought over (BCO and ACOG) are far too expensive for me. I think that competition is healthy for all parties. Forces the old guy to come up with new tricks and the new guy to bring a better product to the table.
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Took one out on a shooting at Jay's here in Florida this morning..Mr. Jay allowed the use of a used store/trade-in model and so off I went. This is a great optic, it is scary close to the ACOG's as far as sight picture clarity, bullet drop and the chevrons. I used the red one today and this puppy is so clear and concise it is a battle optic meant for business imo.
Did'nt get to test the bullet drop since his range only goes to 125 or 159 yards..but those trees off to the right are at least 300 yards away soooo I hit them right where I pointed. Bark and tree pieces gave me the point of impact and it is where I was exactly aiming, drop chart works fine. Coulda been a dead VC if this were 1969. They need a price drop to stay competitive but they do have some bells and whistles..the sleep mode is gonna be great innovation. It's NV capable too I'd like run it at night to see it run the same field. It hits where it is aimed and held zero through 5, 30 rounder PMags. It feels like it was more heavier than ACOG not sure if thats the case. But it is heavier imo. A+ optic/scope |
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The reason it does not have fiber optic is to eliminate the blooming that is associated with the ACOG. I am not crazy about the eye relief nor the price.
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Price & 1.5" eye relief will keep me from buying. I read that Browe had to make the eye relief 1.5" so that military night vision equipment already in use for the ACOG could be compatible. the issue with that is the military wont be purchasing these when they already have ACOG's |
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Like what I see....but dont care for the123 battery. If it was a single AA i might bite.
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Aaron, Are you still pushing this junk?! LOL Of course Joey! You'll have to come see it. |
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Like what I see....but dont care for the123 battery. If it was a single AA i might bite. I would prefer the AA as well. |
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Price & 1.5" eye relief will keep me from buying. I read that Browe had to make the eye relief 1.5" so that military night vision equipment already in use for the ACOG could be compatible. the issue with that is the military wont be purchasing these when they already have ACOG's The military has been known from time to time to adopt products, especially when the performance meets their needs. .Mil didn't always use Aimpoints, Eotechs, or Acogs. In fact, the Aimpoint vs. Eotech is a good example - both are similar (collimating sight) but work in different ways. Same with Acog and browe. Not saying it will be adopted, but if there is an bid contact for an illuminated magnified optic that works with existing night vision setups, there is no reason Browe couldn't bid on it in addition to Trijicon. |
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I had a chance to play with one this past weekend. Seemed very well built and had some nifty features such as being able to mount a micro dot at any clock position that you desire from 7 to 4 oclock. Glass is great, the Reticle options are pretty sweet. They have a blue option for people who are color blind. That is thinking outside the box. Not that it will matter to most of us, but if you were color blind im sure it does. Eye relief is not that great, If you shoot NTCH then no issues for you. The auto brightness feature is pretty awesome, since it senses the target lighting. So when we were shooting from make shift cover ( ply wood homes ) and you were aiming at a target in bright sun 100 yards away. The reticle would brighten up. Pretty cool feature, Hopefully it proves to be rugged and reliable. Definitely would be an alternative to anybody looking for an ACOG. Still a little pricey and at 4x I have a hard time looking at those option when I can shoot a 1-4x optic. Just my .02 from shooting with it for a day.
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Personally own two ACOGs but really intrested in this new scope. The sleed mode and external power are the key develpoments i feel.. Neither of my optics have the fiber optic BTW.
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I work for the city where these are made (Madison Heights, MI). My dept never knew this place existed until we had a B&E alarm there. One the the other gun nuts in my dept had the luck to do a walk thru of the place with the owner or maybe a key holder and got to see the manufacturing stages etc. I have interest to check these out. However I work midnights and they are closed. Only chance of me seeing the place would be another alarm or something... If I can get hands on one of these sights, may try and buy one... Was wanting an ACOG (also made in MI) but to have an optic made in the city I work would be neat especially if it is of a "high standard" so to speak...
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I bought the BCO with the green crosshair reticle in the beginning of March. I called them up and talked to Brian the owner or Browe told him I wanted it in ATACS FG CAMO not the ATACS AU he said he was headed to Germany for a show and would personaly take care of it when he gets back. I knew it would take awhile before I got my scope so its no big deal. SOOOO Just got an email from Brian I spoke with Phil Duke, owner of A-TACS at the IWA show in Germany and he said the A-TACS FG has been released. He also said that they would be willing to do a special run for your housing. I’ve tried emailing Phil twice since I’ve been back and I’ve not gotten a response. I’ll try calling him later this morning. Our supplier checked into it and he tells me that it will be 4-6 weeks before the A-TACS FG will be available??? Then I get this email from him 4 hours later I contacted Phil and spoke with him this morning. He gave me the contact information and we’ll be sending the housing out for the ATACS FG as soon as they get me an address. You will have the first one. Saweeet Im going to have the first one In A-TACS FG IT WAS AT MY DOORSTEP TODAY. http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p590/NOVESKEN4/ARPARTSSAFEPARTY2012034.jpg http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p590/NOVESKEN4/ARPARTSSAFEPARTY2012032.jpg http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p590/NOVESKEN4/ARPARTSSAFEPARTY2012031.jpg http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p590/NOVESKEN4/ARPARTSSAFEPARTY2012030.jpg http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p590/NOVESKEN4/ARPARTSSAFEPARTY2012028.jpg http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p590/NOVESKEN4/ARPARTSSAFEPARTY2012027.jpg |
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