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Posted: 10/25/2013 8:55:25 PM EST
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Pics and better info on the ammo.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 9:02:39 PM EST
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Definitely need pics and info about the ammo your using.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 9:14:12 PM EST
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Always from the same mag?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 9:20:30 PM EST
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Sounds like the bullet is either nose diving when being stripped off the top of the mag or nosing up into the chamber…without pics though it's just a guess. I'm curious as to see if there is any damage to the jackets…
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Posted: 10/25/2013 10:52:01 PM EST
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Try a new mag. And what ammo?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 10:52:02 PM EST
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How are you chambering the rounds? Are you riding the charging handle forward, or are you pulling the charging handle back until it stops; and then letting go?
Does the problem also occur when the bolt is held open with the bolt catch, inserting a magazine, and then releasing the bolt by pressing the bolt catch? Also, do you have a copy saved of the M4/M16 Operator's Manual? It'll help with maintaining the AR15. ARMY TM 9-1005-319-10 Operator's Manual Is this your first AR15? If so, FM 3-22.9 has helped me get up to speed honing my AR15 specific marksmanship skills being a relatively newcomer to this weapon's platform myself. FM 3-22.9 Rifle Marksmanship M16/M4-Series Weapons |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:40:28 AM EST
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I'm guessing that you're very new to ARs.
I'm having problems understanding what the problem is by your description because it's almost impossible to have happen exactly what you're describing. The round doesn't get bent during the extraction or ejection phase. It's happening during the feeding phase. You need to observe exactly when the stoppage is occurring. Once you understand that, fixing the problem should be pretty straightforward. Without knowing more, I can tell you that there is only one reason an unfired round is going to come out of the gun looking like a Concord. The round was forced into something besides the chamber. That could be caused by a few reasons, but none of them end up with an excessively bent round being chambered with the bolt fully locked and able to fire. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:04:40 AM EST
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A cartridge bent like you describe would not chamber so you aren't pulling it from the chamber like that.
One of two things is happening: 1 - The cartridge is champering properly and it is getting bent when you extract the cartridge from the chamber - pretty unlikely. 2 - It is getting bent during the feeding process and not chambering at all - most likely. A likely scenerio is thatt the brass from the last shot is not being ejected properly and the next round is hitting it. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:21:24 AM EST
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Sounds like you have a bad batch of brass. It bends while feeding, won't chamber all the way, so the firing pin isn't striking hard enough. Try some different ammo.
Are you sure it is the correct ammo? It isn't 222 Remington, or something like that, is it? |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 3:51:59 AM EST
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Quoted: Been lurking for some time and recently decided to join. Id like to know if anyone has any idea why I have all of the sudden begun experiencing feeding issues with a recently purchased M&P 15. First off its a new firearm and have run about 6 - 30 round P-Mags through it with not even as much as a hiccup. What happens now with the same mags and type/brand of AR food is it is chambering but the pin drops with no effect... I clear the unfired shell to find a dramatic bend at the base of the neck of the cartridge. Could be described as looking similar to the long since retired Concord jetliner in appearance. After clearing the bent round I get about 3 more shots till the same thing happens. Clear that then a few more shots, next one is bent again. I have 3 bent cartridges sitting on the table next to me and a completely gone over AR that appears to be in working order. What is going on to cause this? Would you be needing pics of the cartridges? find someone local who knows a little about ARs, have them fix it for you |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:25:42 AM EST
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Apologies for not getting back sooner. Thank you for your replies.
Yes I am indeed new to the AR platform, recently found it necessary to economize or dramatically taper back on my weekly shooting budget. Most of my 35 years long gun of shooting have been with the likes of M1A, Garand and various other rifles in the .30 caliber range. 5.56 and .223 is substantially cheaper as well as the arms that shoot them. Yes, the problem occurs from all of the 5 newer P-mags. At the range I insert a full mag, pull charging handle back and let it move forward without assistance under its own power. I get 3 or 4 shots till the hammer falls with no effect. I then drop the mag out of the AR, wait several seconds to ensure ignition wasn't delayed, pull the charging handle and with slight difficulty extract an unfired bent cartridge like the pic. I can then re-insert same or fresh magazine, get a few more shots till the problem repeats. I went to a local GS and was furnished with a couple non- Magpul magazines to try. Problem seems to occur with them as well. Ive filled them all to the maximum 30 rds and even tried leaving a couple rounds off to see if any of them performed better not being full. Problem persists. Ammo: PMC .223, Federal brown box 5.56 and Winchester .223. A curious person at the range even tossed me a mag of surplus 5.56 in a previously military issue mag, I handed him back 3 bent cartridges. "Does the problem also occur when the bolt is held open with the bolt catch, inserting a magazine, and then releasing the bolt by pressing the bolt catch?" Yes. Is there a way to upload a pic from desktop? |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:30:02 AM EST
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If you have photobucket, upload the pictures to there, then post them using the image link on photobucket.
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Apologies for not getting back sooner. Thank you for your replies. Yes I am indeed new to the AR platform, recently found it necessary to economize or dramatically taper back on my weekly shooting budget. Most of my 35 years long gun of shooting have been with the likes of M1A, Garand and various other rifles in the .30 caliber range. 5.56 and .223 is substantially cheaper as well as the arms that shoot them. Yes, the problem occurs from all of the 5 newer P-mags. At the range I insert a full mag, pull charging handle back and let it move forward without assistance under its own power. I get 3 or 4 shots till the hammer falls with no effect. I then drop the mag out of the AR, wait several seconds to ensure ignition wasn't delayed, pull the charging handle and with slight difficulty extract an unfired bent cartridge like the pic. I can then re-insert same or fresh magazine, get a few more shots till the problem repeats. I went to a local GS and was furnished with a couple non- Magpul magazines to try. Problem seems to occur with them as well. Ive filled them all to the maximum 30 rds and even tried leaving a couple rounds off to see if any of them performed better not being full. Problem persists. Ammo: PMC .223, Federal brown box 5.56 and Winchester .223. A curious person at the range even tossed me a mag of surplus 5.56 in a previously military issue mag, I handed him back 3 bent cartridges. "Does the problem also occur when the bolt is held open with the bolt catch, inserting a magazine, and then releasing the bolt by pressing the bolt catch?" Yes. Is there a way to upload a pic from desktop? |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:32:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Apologies for not getting back sooner. Thank you for your replies. Yes I am indeed new to the AR platform, recently found it necessary to economize or dramatically taper back on my weekly shooting budget. Most of my 35 years long gun of shooting have been with the likes of M1A, Garand and various other rifles in the .30 caliber range. 5.56 and .223 is substantially cheaper as well as the arms that shoot them. Yes, the problem occurs from all of the 5 newer P-mags. At the range I insert a full mag, pull charging handle back and let it move forward without assistance under its own power. I get 3 or 4 shots till the hammer falls with no effect. I then drop the mag out of the AR, wait several seconds to ensure ignition wasn't delayed, pull the charging handle and with slight difficulty extract an unfired bent cartridge like the pic. I can then re-insert same or fresh magazine, get a few more shots till the problem repeats. I went to a local GS and was furnished with a couple non- Magpul magazines to try. Problem seems to occur with them as well. Ive filled them all to the maximum 30 rds and even tried leaving a couple rounds off to see if any of them performed better not being full. Problem persists. Ammo: PMC .223, Federal brown box 5.56 and Winchester .223. A curious person at the range even tossed me a mag of surplus 5.56 in a previously military issue mag, I handed him back 3 bent cartridges. "Does the problem also occur when the bolt is held open with the bolt catch, inserting a magazine, and then releasing the bolt by pressing the bolt catch?" Yes. Is there a way to upload a pic from desktop? You'll have to used a photo hosting site to post pics here. Upload there and then link to the photos here. The reason the bent round is not firing is because the BCG is not going fully into battery. Even though the hammer is falling the way the AR is designed the firing pin will not hit the primer unless the bolt is fully in battery. The damaged round is more than likely the reason the BCG is not going into battery. I'd be curious to see a picture of the inside of the upper receiver taken with the lower removed and viewing toward the barrel extension area. With a lot of light of course. Sounds like something in "Feeding" the bullet is not quite right. Bolt lugs not meshing properly |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:34:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Apologies for not getting back sooner. Thank you for your replies. Yes I am indeed new to the AR platform, recently found it necessary to economize or dramatically taper back on my weekly shooting budget. Most of my 35 years long gun of shooting have been with the likes of M1A, Garand and various other rifles in the .30 caliber range. 5.56 and .223 is substantially cheaper as well as the arms that shoot them. Yes, the problem occurs from all of the 5 newer P-mags. At the range I insert a full mag, pull charging handle back and let it move forward without assistance under its own power. I get 3 or 4 shots till the hammer falls with no effect. I then drop the mag out of the AR, wait several seconds to ensure ignition wasn't delayed, pull the charging handle and with slight difficulty extract an unfired bent cartridge like the pic. I can then re-insert same or fresh magazine, get a few more shots till the problem repeats. I went to a local GS and was furnished with a couple non- Magpul magazines to try. Problem seems to occur with them as well. Ive filled them all to the maximum 30 rds and even tried leaving a couple rounds off to see if any of them performed better not being full. Problem persists. Ammo: PMC .223, Federal brown box 5.56 and Winchester .223. A curious person at the range even tossed me a mag of surplus 5.56 in a previously military issue mag, I handed him back 3 bent cartridges. "Does the problem also occur when the bolt is held open with the bolt catch, inserting a magazine, and then releasing the bolt by pressing the bolt catch?" Yes. Is there a way to upload a pic from desktop? You have to host pics on a pic sharing website, I use Flickr but there are plenty more such as photo bucket. First, typically people will recommend letting the bolt fly forward under power of the buffer spring, as opposed to easing it forward with the charging handle. The bolt might look fully closed but it won't be in full battery. When this happens, you make it sound as if you are extracting a fully chambered round and it comes out bent. This would be 100% impossible if the case is as bent as you describe. Have you looked into the ejection port prior to pulling the charging handle back? I bet dollars to donuts that the round is not chambered and the bolt is stuck in an open position. Try to get pics up, and preferably take a pic of the jam before you try to clear it so we can see exactly what is happening. That will likely answer most questions. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:36:46 AM EST
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Thanks, DS. Here is the photo:
http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/audoc/media/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg.html http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/audoc/media/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg.html |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:40:41 AM EST
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http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/audoc/media/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg.html
Is this working? |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:45:53 AM EST
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"you make it sound as if you are extracting a fully chambered round and it comes out bent. This would be 100% impossible if the case is as bent as you describe. Have you looked into the ejection port prior to pulling the charging handle back? I bet dollars to donuts that the round is not chambered and the bolt is stuck in an open position."
Very likely true. I cannot confirm it is fully chambered. I should have thought of checking. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:48:26 AM EST
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http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:52:49 AM EST
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Those aren't bending where I thought they were. You might have M4 feed ramps on your upper, but not on your barrel extension.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:58:14 AM EST
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Would this happen with a factory M&P 15 purchased from a retailer?
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Posted: 10/27/2013 8:58:48 AM EST
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I have a M&P 15 also and it is working good so far. I looked at the picture and to me it seems the round is being bent as it is being chambed. It could be a defect in the feeding ramps or chamber itself. I think this is a case for Smith and Wesson to handle. Give them a call and send them the picture. They will fix it. I have had good experience with them.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:01:33 AM EST
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http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg Tag. Wow...I have never seen anything like that. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:08:48 AM EST
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http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/IMG_3778_zpsa637a1e4.jpg The bullets aren't getting pushed into the case so I don't think they are getting stuck on anything. It almost looks like something is hitting the case at the inflection of the bend, but it may just be what happens when a case is bent like that. This really is an odd malfunction. I do think it would be worth your while to try to replicate it and fully document (pics from all angles into the ejection port) the malfunction and let people have a look. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:15:46 AM EST
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Those aren't bending where I thought they were. You might have M4 feed ramps on your upper, but not on your barrel extension. Actually, you are correct. I forgot it was a factory rifle and it was previously working fine. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:23:13 AM EST
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Do your mags wobble in the magwell? If so, you might try tightening the mag release button down one turn for better tension. Push the mag release all way into the receiver, you might need a pencil eraser side or a punch to get it far enough in, and turn the magazine lock bar one full turn in.
That would explain the problem with both types of magazine. Have you made any modifications to the rifle at all? |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:48:06 AM EST
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Nope, no modifications. The more I think about this and with consideration payed to the befuddlement of the forum I am thinking It maybe prudent to send her back to Smith & Wesson. Ill do so and update this post with as much information as the provide me.Thank you very much for your input, very appreciated.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:59:24 AM EST
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:01:40 AM EST
[#28]
Is the magazine locking up firmly?
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:04:12 AM EST
[#29]
Appears to. Slight rattle but no perceived movement.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:04:41 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryIt's well...lubed |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:09:58 AM EST
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Is that oil, or grease?
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:10:46 AM EST
[#32]
Indeed. I actually just cleaned it about an hour ago and appears there is a bit of pooling I have yet to have wiped out. Ill get on that before I send it back. I don't usually like it or any firearm that wet as the spray during firing messes up my glasses.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:11:22 AM EST
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Is that oil, or grease? CLP. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:13:57 AM EST
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Check the rings on your bolt. Some guys have complained of mangled/disintegrating rings on their M&P15s.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:23:14 AM EST
[#35]
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Check the rings on your bolt. Some guys have complained of mangled/disintegrating rings on their M&P15s. http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/IMG_3785_zps857298cb.jpg |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:58:54 AM EST
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After viewing the chamber pic I did not notice anything that stood out. Maybe the right feed ramp at the joint between the M4 notch on the receiver to the barrel feed ramp there might be something but could just as easily be crud. The next thing I would look at is to view the chamber area itself. Pull the BCG so you can look directly down the upper receiver and get a straight shot down the barrel. When you view down into the chamber pay attention to anything abnormal looking...bulges, built up material, etc.
Also what does the other fired brass look like? Were any of them crunched in the same area of the neck? This could be happening to all of the brass but only actually stopping the action on some rounds. You might try with some loaded mags, not so full, 10 rounds should be plenty, and slowly chamber some loaded rounds to see how they feed. You can do this by slowly riding the charging handle forward and "feel" for anything abnormal. If the rounds won't chamber fully into battery you can then use the FA(forward assist) if this gun has one, to fully chamber the rounds and also feeling to see if there is any abnormal resistance here. And another long shot would be to try and notice if the misfeeds are coming from a specific side of the magazine. There is the occasional issue that occurs when the rounds are being fed from the magazine from one side but not the other. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 11:11:04 AM EST
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This type of malfunction is typically caused by a failure to either extract or eject the previous round.
The bolt strips the top round from the magazine, but since the previous round is still either in the chamber or just lying in the upper receiver on top of the magazine, the new round is forced either up or down. Either way, it won't chamber and often gets bent exactly like the pictures show. Occasionally, a bad magazine that has spread lips will allow a round out of the mag as the BCG is travelling back in the ejection phase. When the BCG returns, it will strip a new round, but will also push the loose round forward. There's only room for one round in the chamber. The other gets bent. You said you've tried several new magazines though. Being a brand new rifle, I'd take it back. That being said... before you do, check your extractor and make sure it has good spring tension and that there are no burs or foreign material in the groove to keep it from doing it's job. Check your ejector, making sure it has good tension but moves freely in and out. Easiest way to do this is to take a spent casing, hook it into the extractor groove, and tilt/rotate it repeatedly into the bolt face. This will depress the ejector and also make sure that the extractor is holding the casing securely. |
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:00:00 PM EST
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Had to search pretty hard but Ive found others with the problem, no solution other than returning rifle to Smith & Wesson at this point so I suppose ill have to resort to doing that.
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Posted: 11/4/2013 7:48:08 PM EST
[#39]
Yikes.. That looks sketchy. If this rifle is as new as you say, this would be a task for S&W to tackle IMO.. Send it in.
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Posted: 11/10/2013 5:19:39 PM EST
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Sent it in and waiting to hear. The fellow at Cabelas said it could be about 3 weeks. Ill update when I hear anything.
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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:37:30 AM EST
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It's well...lubed Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's well...lubed Run it wet. 
Short stroke grabbing case and smashing it with bcg. What it looks like to me... Any signs of a gas leak? Type of ammo? |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 3:34:30 PM EST
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Update:
Just picked it up last night from being sent back to Smith & Wesson. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but it appears someone has run it through its paces, outside of barrel and gas tube under handguard looks like it got pretty warm and BCG is coated in black residue.... I was actually glad to see this as it seemed to indicate to me at least someone got her to run. Broke it down and cleaned it after I got home to see if I could see evidence of something different as S&W sent no information as to what was done, if anything. The lube on the recoil spring smelled different and the bolt was much smoother in the carrier and of course the black residue were all I could find. Today I received an e-mail from the store that sent it in for me and was told, "We did in fact send in your gun for repair because of the feed ramp and chamber not aligning. When Smith and Wesson send repaired firearms back to us, they just send and invoice with the Serial Number listed and say that the gun has been repaired to Smith and Wesson’s specifications and if there are any questions to call and inquire." I plan to shoot it this weekend, hope it works. Thanks for everyone's help, been a pleasure. Doc P.S. Do you see any miss-alignment in the pic of the feed ramps earlier in this thread? |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 3:51:17 PM EST
[#43]
Peehaps the bore at the chamber end was not centered within the barrel extension, which made the rounds kink as they loaded.
Before I read the final posts I was thinking the shoulder (in the chamber) might be short, causing the cases shoulder to compress just as the bolt is almost seated. |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 4:09:40 PM EST
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See those halfed moon shaped dents. There was another member here very recently with pics of light dents and scrapings on the brass with almost the exact same shape. You may want to dig around and see if you can find the thread. Maybe he has resolved the issue and it could point you in the right direction though he did not have the extreme bending your rounds are suffering from.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 5:00:46 PM EST
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Take a close pic of the mag release button. Like said before maybe tightening the mag catch another round can help.
Or just try to tighten it yourself. Take a pencil eraser and jam the mag release button as far in as you can. Then from the opposite side pull the mag catch clear of the "ears" on the receiver, then turn it clockwise a full round. Then line it back up and let it go |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 5:12:55 PM EST
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In regards to those bent rounds, one way to duplicate this is by pulling the charging handle back to where the carrier is still atop of the back portion of the top cartridge in the magazine (but making sure also the bolt does not get behind that round). While still holding onto the charging handle; now let go of the charging handle. The carrier will strip the round from the magazine, it'll ride up a feed ramp, but end up digging into one of the barrel extension's lugs due to not being able to clear the bolt.
The weapon short stroking can do this, which would not provide the carrier enough momentum to allow the bolt to get behind the round; and also if the bolt is unlocking too early to where the carrier loses momentum by pulling on a cartridge that is still sealed in the chamber. This is what comes to mind for me. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 10:34:28 AM EST
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Update: Just picked it up last night from being sent back to Smith & Wesson. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but it appears someone has run it through its paces, outside of barrel and gas tube under handguard looks like it got pretty warm and BCG is coated in black residue.... I was actually glad to see this as it seemed to indicate to me at least someone got her to run. Broke it down and cleaned it after I got home to see if I could see evidence of something different as S&W sent no information as to what was done, if anything. The lube on the recoil spring smelled different and the bolt was much smoother in the carrier and of course the black residue were all I could find. Today I received an e-mail from the store that sent it in for me and was told, "We did in fact send in your gun for repair because of the feed ramp and chamber not aligning. When Smith and Wesson send repaired firearms back to us, they just send and invoice with the Serial Number listed and say that the gun has been repaired to Smith and Wesson’s specifications and if there are any questions to call and inquire." I plan to shoot it this weekend, hope it works. Thanks for everyone's help, been a pleasure. Doc P.S. Do you see any miss-alignment in the pic of the feed ramps earlier in this thread? Your only option was to have them take care of it anyhow and its sucks that you have to deal with it. Sounds like they found the problem. lets just hope they were smart enough to check the head spacing with the proper gauges,for your sake. If for some reason its still acts the same, that needs to be done. I dont like the way they respond about the problem THEY caused. Pretty sad I thought after all you have been through. S & W should be apologize for this bullshit. I would call them up and want a better explanation,plus then you can find out more. Good luck and hopefully she runs well for you this weekend and its the end of this shit |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 4:28:44 PM EST
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Actually was a couple weekends before I got out and it ran like a champ....... for the first 2 magazines. Now back to same old problem. Not as bad a before, I get 5 or 6 shots before it jams and bends another round.
Ive tightened mag release, cleaned it again, used a friends lube and magazines, Even had a friend try my upper on his lower with similar enough results. I'm not one to give into irresponsible displays of childishness but it really would be sufficiently satisfying to nail this thing to a tree and blow it to pieces. I dearly want to have the sort of fun I perceive people here and elsewhere talk of with their ARs but,,,, Anyway I'm scrapping it, had enough. do you suppose I could safely use furniture and lower on a new build or just the furniture and use the rest as an overpriced garden stake in the backyard? Thought of parting it out but no one I know wants any part of it. I would like to give this AR thing another go but its turning about to be about as expensive as each of the 2 NM M1As I already have and they haven't had as much as a hiccup since I bought them in 1994. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 4:43:56 PM EST
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Holy cow...same thing? Sorry for your problems. I would have thought S&W would have fixed this properly. You might try posting this problem over in the Smith & Wesson Vendor forum. I would not give up. This is a very unusual AR-15 issue. Most of the time ARs tend to be built to much better specs than this.
Where do you live? Perhaps another member with more experience may live closer and can help out. Heck I'd like to take a look at it up close if for no other reason to see if I could determine the issue myself. This one is baffling. |
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Posted: 12/15/2013 5:32:46 PM EST
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Ive had a couple friends play with it and aside from pointing out slightly rough machine marks they are baffled too. We are also baffled about the mention of misalignment yet we cant see anything different in feed ramps from now and the photo earlier in the post. Also, isn't there a key-way involved when the barrel is inserted into the upper? Shouldn't that make misalignment impossible? One friend planted the thought in my head that they were handing me a line of bull... Sort of like the auto mechanic telling the customer he/she needed a $1,500.00 exhaust repair because muffler bearings were worn out.
Ill take another photo just like the earlier one and post it to see if there is any perceived difference in before and after. Edited to add after photo of chamber area. http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag117/audoc/ramps_zps1c0d9b7a.jpg |
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