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Posted: 5/7/2018 1:43:18 PM EDT
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Black in stock at Wilson combat $129.99
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Posted: 5/7/2018 3:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice. Looks good.
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Posted: 5/7/2018 4:17:42 PM EDT
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Black in stock at Wilson combat $129.99 Anywhere else? |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 10:33:23 AM EDT
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I emailed them and asked about it here is the response: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/312096/6955A29C-F496-4668-88A4-46D97784E413-475442.JPG As a note, in the 2004 letter referenced, the ATF does state that using a normal carbine or rifle tube on a pistol is legal. That letter also clearly states that having an unused stock in your possession that can fit on the buffer tube could constitute possession of a SBR, but as far as SB is concerned that doesn’t affect the legality of their product because they don’t control what else the buyer has. That’s entirely on you the end user. https://johnpierceesq.com/which-buffer-tubes-can-i-use-on-my-ar-pistol/ The SBPDW is different in that it only uses a carbine LENGTH tube. It’s still a proprietary tube that has the castle nut permanently attached halfway along its length, plus it lacks the track and pin holes on the bottom. A carbine stock won’t work on it’s tube. The SBA3 is a cool design, and probably pushing the limits of what’s a brace, especially with the short strap. But, it’s legal until someone says it isn’t. |
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Posted: 5/8/2018 12:27:46 PM EDT
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Finally! Ordered end of January, got it today. That’s damn near what NFA wait times used to be! 
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Posted: 5/8/2018 8:30:25 PM EDT
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So I got a crazy idea...
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Posted: 5/9/2018 12:56:56 AM EDT
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Just got two for me: Link left cold because I am lazy. Black: 11 left at $112.15 +Shipping https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/769977431 FDE: 16 left at $112.15 +Shipping https://www.gunbroker.com/item/769951024 Sold out |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 12:44:30 PM EDT
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Mine came in today... now I just need the rest of the pistol
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Posted: 5/9/2018 12:48:21 PM EDT
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Mine came in today... now I just need the rest of the pistol
https://i.imgur.com/9crd94m.jpg |
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Posted: 5/9/2018 1:25:33 PM EDT
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No it came with a standard black buffer tube. I'm doing an FDE pistol build with it so I swapped the buffer tube out as soon as I opened to to confirm it fits.
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Posted: 5/9/2018 3:41:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's pretty awesome, but needs to be a folder, IMHO 
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Posted: 5/9/2018 6:21:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's pretty awesome, but needs to be a folder, IMHO The folding adapter would push it over the 13.5" LOP requirement. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 8:49:13 AM EDT
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That's pretty awesome, but needs to be a folder, IMHO 
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Posted: 5/10/2018 4:12:25 PM EDT
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Just got the email from optics planet that my Black, SBA3 has shipped, ordered on April 5th.
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Posted: 5/10/2018 4:16:21 PM EDT
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Just got the email from optics planet that my Black, SBA3 has shipped, ordered on April 5th. |
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Posted: 5/10/2018 4:39:53 PM EDT
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Mine has shipped as well.
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Posted: 5/10/2018 7:53:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My April 5 order shipped too finally |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 11:29:37 AM EDT
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https://ballisticdeals.com/sb-tactical-ar-pistol-brace-adjustable-black/?utm_source=instocknotify&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=instocknotify
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Posted: 5/11/2018 4:38:06 PM EDT
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Just called to check on my April 6th order. Looks like I just missed the cut for the recent batch that they received and shipped. I’m order 36 of 2,000 more backordered. The guy Alex from OP tells me that they aren’t expecting to get the next shipment in until June 10th, at which point they’ll ship mine.
It’s really frustrating to have to wait over 2 months for this, especially when they continually give inaccurate info on when they’re available. Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m surprised with the reputation Optics Planet has earned over the years. Looks like I got OP’d! |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 5:35:21 PM EDT
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Optics Planet may have its problems, but they do make up for it sometimes. They just sold me a Vortex StrikeFire II for $140 literally because I asked. It had nothing to do with the brace, Customer Service wasn't trying to straighten things out for me or fix a problem or anything. They had no obligation. Not an excuse for TAT's and shipping waits but they're always worth at least a price check.
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Posted: 5/11/2018 5:36:15 PM EDT
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I ordered mine from Brownells, last month, but haven't had any updates, since then.
Anyone else? |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 9:47:53 PM EDT
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Just got mine in today, got it mounted up and I love it.
Have had the Sig Brace and the Shockwave blade, neither of which really worked for me. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 10:50:13 PM EDT
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Just called to check on my April 6th order. Looks like I just missed the cut for the recent batch that they received and shipped. I’m order 36 of 2,000 more backordered. The guy Alex from OP tells me that they aren’t expecting to get the next shipment in until June 10th, at which point they’ll ship mine. It’s really frustrating to have to wait over 2 months for this, especially when they continually give inaccurate info on when they’re available. Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m surprised with the reputation Optics Planet has earned over the years. Looks like I got OP’d! |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 5:50:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well fuck. 6 April order here also with no shipment email yet. Guess I'm waiting with ya. This sucks. Glad I bought a couple from Joebob and my credit card price rewind got approved $105.91 each
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Posted: 5/12/2018 9:39:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2018 1:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAlso Here (FDE - No LPK):
http://palmettostatearmory.com/sb-tactical-adjustable-4-position-arm-brace-fde-sba3-02-sb.html I just ordered one of each of the above = THANKS to the headsup. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 1:09:13 AM EDT
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FDE in stock here https://dsgarms.com/sbt-sba3-02-sb
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Posted: 5/15/2018 8:45:40 AM EDT
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OP's free shipping is Fedex smartpost which is total crap. I was starting to get worried it was lost since the tracking hasn't updated in 4 days but it finally did this morning. My package apparently sat at a fedex facility in Wisconsin for 4 days before it left again
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Posted: 5/15/2018 12:07:11 PM EDT
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OP's free shipping is Fedex smartpost which is total crap. I was starting to get worried it was lost since the tracking hasn't updated in 4 days but it finally did this morning. My package apparently sat at a fedex facility in Wisconsin for 4 days before it left again
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Posted: 5/15/2018 1:41:38 PM EDT
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My brace that shipped on 5/4 is FINALLY out for delivery today. Oddly enough I have a second OP order that shipped 5/10 and it's also out for delivery today At the time of adding it to my cart, the product page said 2-9 days until it ships. I checked again Monday morning and the estimate had changed to 15-24 days... But, I got the shipping notice that night, and checking UPS tracking this morning, it does appear to be on the way. Moral of the story: making sense of OP's shipping department is pure futility. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:08:17 PM EDT
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(I can't imagine giving SB my business with how they're hanging customers out to dry on the legality issue) This is utter nonsense. SB Tactical is not "hanging customers out to dry." They have stated solid reasons why they believe that they do not need to get another letter from BATFE. I own an SBA3 and I will happily purchase more. Anyone who is very concerned about there being no letter can write to the agency, not buy the product, or buy it. I'm not worried about people "ruining (something) for everyone else." Government isn't mommy. I roll the dice and take my chances. Where government infringes, blame is on government alone. We aren't children. BTW, the SBA3 is awesome. This is a product I've been waiting for. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:37:19 PM EDT
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I haven't logged in for perhaps years... This is utter nonsense. SB Tactical is not "hanging customers out to dry." They have stated solid reasons why they believe that they do not need to get another letter from BATFE. I own an SBA3 and I will happily purchase more. Anyone who is very concerned about there being no letter can write to the agency, not buy the product, or buy it. I'm not worried about people "ruining (something) for everyone else." Government isn't mommy. I roll the dice and take my chances. Where government infringes, blame is on government alone. We aren't children. BTW, the SBA3 is awesome. This is a product I've been waiting for. So dumb how gun owners think an OPINION LETTER is some magic stamp of approval. When you go to Walmart and buy a DVD, do you ask them for an FBI opinion letter that states the movie is a verified licensed copy and has not been pirated, before you watch it? lmao |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 4:51:58 PM EDT
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This is utter nonsense. SB Tactical is not "hanging customers out to dry." They have stated solid reasons why they believe that they do not need to get another letter from BATFE. Look at it another way: SB should be offering an unconditional money back guarantee in the event that the SBA3 is deemed a stock, since they're so sure of it being a brace based on combing previously accepted components. They probably won't do that, so I don't trust that they really believe their reasons are that solid. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 6:02:21 PM EDT
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It's your neck, not mine. :) As long as you can sleep comfortably on those solid reasons... Look at it another way: SB should be offering an unconditional money back guarantee in the event that the SBA3 is deemed a stock, since they're so sure of it being a brace based on combing previously accepted components. They probably won't do that, so I don't trust that they really believe their reasons are that solid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is utter nonsense. SB Tactical is not "hanging customers out to dry." They have stated solid reasons why they believe that they do not need to get another letter from BATFE. Look at it another way: SB should be offering an unconditional money back guarantee in the event that the SBA3 is deemed a stock, since they're so sure of it being a brace based on combing previously accepted components. They probably won't do that, so I don't trust that they really believe their reasons are that solid. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 6:19:32 PM EDT
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Well fuck. 6 April order here also with no shipment email yet. Guess I'm waiting with ya. This sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just called to check on my April 6th order. Looks like I just missed the cut for the recent batch that they received and shipped. I’m order 36 of 2,000 more backordered. The guy Alex from OP tells me that they aren’t expecting to get the next shipment in until June 10th, at which point they’ll ship mine. It’s really frustrating to have to wait over 2 months for this, especially when they continually give inaccurate info on when they’re available. Unfortunately, I can’t say I’m surprised with the reputation Optics Planet has earned over the years. Looks like I got OP’d! |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 7:00:23 PM EDT
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Can you think of any product, of any sort, anywhere, at all, that offers a money back guarantee in the event that a bureaucrat in the future decides it's illegal? |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 8:17:02 PM EDT
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How many of them are skirting very obvious legal issues? We all know it's borderline now, not just in the future. Wishful thinking is clouding many people's judgement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you think of any product, of any sort, anywhere, at all, that offers a money back guarantee in the event that a bureaucrat in the future decides it's illegal? |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 11:00:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Strangely enough, just got my tracking today. Should be on the way. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 12:17:14 AM EDT
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Then don't buy one. I'm perfectly content having one on my pistol. It's almost like some of you guys want the thing to be illegal, but it's not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you think of any product, of any sort, anywhere, at all, that offers a money back guarantee in the event that a bureaucrat in the future decides it's illegal? Got my sba3 today finally too! Who knows when I'll have time to install it though |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 1:20:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's your neck, not mine. :) As long as you can sleep comfortably on those solid reasons... Look at it another way: SB should be offering an unconditional money back guarantee in the event that the SBA3 is deemed a stock, since they're so sure of it being a brace based on combing previously accepted components. They probably won't do that, so I don't trust that they really believe their reasons are that solid. SB Tactical shouldn't feel the slightest bit obligated to offer an unconditional money back guarantee. They stated their reasoning. If someone purchased a brace and that brace was then determined by BATFE to be a shoulder stock, IMHO that person could reasonably bring suit against SB Tactical because the company claimed ATF compliant*. That is a risk that SB Tactical is taking. Personally, I wouldn't blame SB Tactical; no lawsuit from me. (*Edited: changed "approved" to "compliant") |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 1:41:31 AM EDT
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Just like all braces, the people fighting against them probably have a lot of money tied up in SBR stamps ... |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 2:03:30 AM EDT
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It's ironic you mention that, though, as it seems pretty obvious from where I stand that the long waiting lists and willingness to take a huge risk for the SBA3 are evidence of how desperate the masses are for non-tax stamp SBRs. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:05:01 AM EDT
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My April 6th just shipped. I wasnt ready to buy all the rest of my gun parts yet
. Oh well for $97 shipped I'm happy.
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:13:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:16:12 AM EDT
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Just built 300blk 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/419044/8078A6C8-EDFA-45A4-A19E-1CEBE1A647F3-545599.JPG |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:46:16 AM EDT
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My April 6th just shipped. I wasnt ready to buy all the rest of my gun parts yet . Oh well for $97 shipped I'm happy. |
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Posted: 5/16/2018 2:07:33 PM EDT
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Same here, got shipping notice from OP this AM... Don't think they upgraded shipping or anything, but at least it's being sent!
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Posted: 5/16/2018 2:38:38 PM EDT
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Just got my tracking # for April 9 purchase
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Posted: 5/16/2018 3:02:47 PM EDT
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Tracking # for April 6th order form OP. Late but faster than they had been saying it was going to be so there is that.
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Posted: 5/16/2018 10:56:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's your neck, not mine. :) As long as you can sleep comfortably on those solid reasons... Look at it another way: SB should be offering an unconditional money back guarantee in the event that the SBA3 is deemed a stock, since they're so sure of it being a brace based on combing previously accepted components. They probably won't do that, so I don't trust that they really believe their reasons are that solid. If you like and want the product, buy it. If it scares you, don't buy it. Lecturing the manufacturer on what they should do is silly. You pay your money, you take your chances. |
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