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Posted: 2/2/2019 6:19:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/2/2019 11:50:27 PM EDT
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I would recommend moving the pistol grip “up” toward the receiver’s floor, just enough to be able to get rid of the receiver’s “speed bump” transition at the bottom/rear of the trigger guard. I think doing so would make it look a lot better.
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Posted: 2/3/2019 12:54:16 AM EDT
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We need to have Mike here cutting chips and mocking them up so we can all look @ it and go,"No, that's not right. Move that thing down 1/10 of an inch." just so he'll have to go cut the whole damn thing again out of 6061.
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Posted: 2/3/2019 9:33:58 AM EDT
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I would recommend moving the pistol grip “up” toward the receiver’s floor, just enough to be able to get rid of the receiver’s “speed bump” transition at the bottom/rear of the trigger guard. I think doing so would make it look a lot better. You need to have room for the web of your hand. I ran into the same thing while developing the NDS-18S. My first prototypes had the top of the grip flush against the 5 degree flat on the bottom of the receiver. I have boney hands and it was uncomfortable. |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 12:08:00 PM EDT
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I love this project
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Posted: 2/3/2019 12:27:29 PM EDT
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Ok I don’t get it. What’s the point of having a retro-looking AR-180 lower for a non-retro looking, railed AR-180 type upper?
I get Brownells is saying they didn’t design their 180 upper to be retro (obviously), but is there a market for piston uppers that require a proprietary handguard? |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 12:33:12 PM EDT
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Ok I don’t get it. What’s the point of having a retro-looking AR-180 lower for a non-retro looking, railed AR-180 type upper? I get Brownells is saying they didn’t design their 180 upper to be retro (obviously), but is there a market for piston uppers that require a proprietary handguard? |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 12:37:54 PM EDT
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Good stuff! We received a lot of great feedback, both at SHOT and on outlets such as AR15.com. We think you'll see a lot of great items coming to market to support the BRN-180, both from Brownells and other great companies. you'd have my money right now if it was an 11.5 to 12.5 upper and came with a folding stock adapter |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 12:37:55 PM EDT
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Ok I don’t get it. What’s the point of having a retro-looking AR-180 lower for a non-retro looking, railed AR-180 type upper? I get Brownells is saying they didn’t design their 180 upper to be retro (obviously), but is there a market for piston uppers that require a proprietary handguard? Dont get me wrong I think the market is longer over due for serious side folding AR conversions. But their upper looks nothing like an AR-180 upper. |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 1:52:23 PM EDT
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Pretty damn cool!! Me personally, I think a hybrid lower with the the MCX stock would aesthetically be the most pleasing. It would also be a cool homage to the original folding stock too. Damn it, I wanted an upper before, but now after seeing this and picturing it with a MCX stock I want one even more now!!
Damn it sucks to be poor. |
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Posted: 2/3/2019 5:56:04 PM EDT
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I know this is the retro forum, but how retro should the 180 be? In some ways, the point of resurrecting the 180 is to bring it out of the stone(r) age. The faux spot welds aren't necessary. The important parts to me are: the reverse angle on the receiver underside, side folder and a piston.
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Posted: 2/4/2019 1:52:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/4/2019 2:29:40 PM EDT
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...how retro should the 180 be? ... the point of resurrecting the 180 is to bring it out of the stone(r) age. It's not Retro. At all. It's a ghetto MCX. Putting the Brownell's offering on an AR lower with no BHO and no-hole for a standard RE or yes-hole for a standard RE doesn't make it better... it just makes it worse, and actually a bit sad. I would be interested to see the Brownell's upper with a better thought out handguard arrangement and... if there must be a unique lower... I would do something similar to an LMT MARS with no-hole for a standard RE, and a 1913 rail for the SIG stocks. Show SIG you mean business! Compete on price and quality with the MCX. Stack dat cheddah. |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 3:00:29 PM EDT
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You missed the point. No offense, but this is a novelty, and will remain so, unless somebody puts a huge effort into testing and development to even get close to the MCX. So, the better bet is to make it ‘not retro’ to appeal to a broader audience on price and usability, and let them be the guinea pigs. Baby steps. |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 4:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...this is a novelty, and will remain so, unless somebody puts a huge effort into testing and development to even get close to the MCX. So, the better bet is to make it ‘not retro’ to appeal to a broader audience on price and usability... You just repeated exactly my point- best bet is to cut the "Retro" angle and go after the gottabedifferent guys who for whatever reason don't want an AR-15-type. As I've already said... having a hybrid-abortion-lower to go along with this thing that kinda-looks-like an AR-180 lower... to someone who is blind or has never seen one before... doesn't make this fiasco any better- it makes it more sad. Kind of pathetic, even. As I've already said... they need to create a reason for this thing with "price and usability" when compared with the rifles it will most definitely be compared with- other gottabedifferent guns in the market today. Not AR-180s. |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 5:19:28 PM EDT
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Bravo zulu.
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Posted: 2/4/2019 6:13:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this receiver footprint compatible with existing AR15 lower forgings? |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 6:17:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not saying they should submit it to something like SOCOM LVAW and try to get adoption among professional users, but rather they should submit it to all the yee-haw backyard gun reviewers on youtube for some goofy mud tests. Then giddy-up for some sales. You just repeated exactly my point- best bet is to cut the "Retro" angle and go after the gottabedifferent guys who for whatever reason don't want an AR-15-type. As I've already said... having a hybrid-abortion-lower to go along with this thing that kinda-looks-like an AR-180 lower... to someone who is blind or has never seen one before... doesn't make this fiasco any better- it makes it more sad. Kind of pathetic, even. As I've already said... they need to create a reason for this thing with "price and usability" when compared with the rifles it will most definitely be compared with- other gottabedifferent guns in the market today. Not AR-180s. 
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Posted: 2/5/2019 2:25:43 AM EDT
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I like it!
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Posted: 2/5/2019 9:31:56 AM EDT
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http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/25CE29CA-440C-4832-A269-0E389AD41093.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/B8B00CA7-6C41-4785-972F-D67331A936BE.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/7F84BE19-DF94-4CAB-A7C2-63D436B37DAE.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/C62D2C09-4C5B-446F-B59C-8F20E5906E70.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/C9FEEFF8-53BB-46A5-A899-7F32CDC3BBBA.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/8E7965B5-12DC-421A-9DD0-9E81AE147D4E.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/E18E5660-4104-4CED-9E09-61B8E7B9FC37.jpeg But, the squared off section below the buffer tube area looks uncomfortable. Don't sacrifice ergonomics in an effort to maintain resemblance to the 180. |
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Posted: 2/5/2019 10:40:06 AM EDT
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ok I need to 3d print one 6% larger so I can sand cast it then machine. I haven't wanted to cast aluminum before now but I may have to. (and yes I have the 3d printer already)
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Posted: 2/5/2019 12:18:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/6/2019 4:43:28 PM EDT
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@BPR asked if this was compatible with existing forgings. What I have designed so far has not been. They would have to be made from billet.
I took his idea and came up with this. 
Trimming and cutting a regular A2 lower would get you something like this. It's about the best that could be done, and frankly doesn't look as good, but would certainly be an easier project. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:13:34 PM EDT
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Structurally I wouldn't trust that. The material removed at the bottom of the magwell would make the guide rib/trigger guard at the back too weak. IMHO.
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:18:17 PM EDT
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Stick with the billet and damn the haters.
The billet looks incredible! |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:26:36 PM EDT
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@BPR asked if this was compatible with existing forgings. What I have designed so far has not been. They would have to be made from billet. I took his idea and came up with this. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-I-Angle-Right.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-I-Angle-Left.jpg Trimming and cutting a regular A2 lower would get you something like this. It's about the best that could be done, and frankly doesn't look as good, but would certainly be an easier project. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:33:28 PM EDT
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Structurally I wouldn't trust that. The material removed at the bottom of the magwell would make the guide rib/trigger guard at the back too weak. IMHO. |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 5:48:14 PM EDT
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My question regarding utilization of existing forgings was only based upon my thought for an economical lower that still had some AR180 styling. I did not know billet was a cost effective alternative.
I do like the billet design better, but still think some of the rear edges between top of pistol grip and receiver extension need to be radiused. Now, for Brownells to start shipping those uppers! |
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Posted: 2/6/2019 6:52:28 PM EDT
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What if one of the closed trigger guard forgings was used? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Structurally I wouldn't trust that. The material removed at the bottom of the magwell would make the guide rib/trigger guard at the back too weak. IMHO. I would still be concerned about the magwell proper because when you remove the lip at the bottom you are left with about an .080" wall thickness. It provides lots of strength/durability. And also you would have no ability to flare the opening for mag insertion. |
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Posted: 2/11/2019 8:30:22 PM EDT
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Personally I would like it if it accepted FAL grips or Ar-180 grips since Rick has been printing them out :)
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Posted: 2/11/2019 11:42:34 PM EDT
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What if one of the closed trigger guard forgings was used? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Structurally I wouldn't trust that. The material removed at the bottom of the magwell would make the guide rib/trigger guard at the back too weak. IMHO. 
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Posted: 2/12/2019 4:18:15 AM EDT
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I get Brownells is saying they didn’t design their 180 upper to be retro (obviously), but is there a market for piston uppers that require a proprietary handguard? |
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Posted: 2/12/2019 4:23:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not saying they should submit it to something like SOCOM LVAW and try to get adoption among professional users, but rather they should submit it to all the yee-haw backyard gun reviewers on youtube for some goofy mud tests. Then giddy-up for some sales. You just repeated exactly my point- best bet is to cut the "Retro" angle and go after the gottabedifferent guys who for whatever reason don't want an AR-15-type. As I've already said... having a hybrid-abortion-lower to go along with this thing that kinda-looks-like an AR-180 lower... to someone who is blind or has never seen one before... doesn't make this fiasco any better- it makes it more sad. Kind of pathetic, even. As I've already said... they need to create a reason for this thing with "price and usability" when compared with the rifles it will most definitely be compared with- other gottabedifferent guns in the market today. Not AR-180s. |
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Posted: 2/12/2019 2:45:03 PM EDT
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To everyone complaining, enough of it. Just think of the BR180 as an evolutionary design of the AR18/AR180.
When Armalite brought out the AR180B, I was hesitant on two things. The price and the lower construction. I should had brought one when I had the chance to. What was my primary concern was the lower. It was cool to make it out of polymer. But I just believe it was going to have problems like the Carbon 15. I'm just waiting to get some cash saved to get the BR180. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 4:37:09 PM EDT
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I've been working out of town for a week straight so I haven't had time till today to play with stuff.
I really like the Fusion III design that is AR-15 in the back and AR-180B in the front. Maybe I should call it the "Mullet". Thoughts? 
I also played with the adapter and made something that looks just like the one already being made by KNS. Only real difference I see is mine has an extra screw hole pattern for an ACE style stock. I think I will print one up and see how it works. Come on @brownells I need an upper so I can really finish this project. Well that and someone to machine them out of aluminium. Or to buy a Tormach real fast. I guess I should play the lottery. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 4:50:50 PM EDT
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I'd rock that lower and I don't care a bit about the 180 upper.
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Posted: 2/14/2019 5:22:13 PM EDT
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I like your “Mullet” lower’s design and appearance better.
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Posted: 2/14/2019 6:42:39 PM EDT
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This is delightful, and I think they will appeal to folks who want a different AR lower, not just 180ish upper owners.
1 - Can the adapter be made thinner? If you're going to custom machine an adapter to fit, why not cut the Picatinny rails in it, rather than drill holes so you can mount a Picatinny rail on it? Mayber you're modeling an existing adapter, and I missed that. 2 - Since the stresses on the buffer tube boss are compression in this implementation, rather than torsion, the M4 reinforcement on the outside of the receiver can be reduced to A1 levels or less, and the adapter accordingly. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 7:48:46 PM EDT
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1 - Can the adapter be made thinner? If you're going to custom machine an adapter to fit, why not cut the Picatinny rails in it, rather than drill holes so you can mount a Picatinny rail on it? Mayber you're modeling an existing adapter, and I missed that. The fun part is playing with the design and not have to cut parts. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 9:45:41 PM EDT
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I designed the adapter to be used as a flat plate with screw holes for an ACE style attachment or to have the picatiny rail to be bolted on. The fun part is playing with the design and not have to cut parts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1 - Can the adapter be made thinner? If you're going to custom machine an adapter to fit, why not cut the Picatinny rails in it, rather than drill holes so you can mount a Picatinny rail on it? Mayber you're modeling an existing adapter, and I missed that. The fun part is playing with the design and not have to cut parts. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:51:20 AM EDT
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I'd rock that lower and I don't care a bit about the 180 upper. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 9:54:09 AM EDT
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I've been working out of town for a week straight so I haven't had time till today to play with stuff. I really like the Fusion III design that is AR-15 in the back and AR-180B in the front. Maybe I should call it the "Mullet". Thoughts? http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left-Adapter.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left-Complete.jpg I also played with the adapter and made something that looks just like the one already being made by KNS. Only real difference I see is mine has an extra screw hole pattern for an ACE style stock. I think I will print one up and see how it works. Come on @brownells I need an upper so I can really finish this project. Well that and someone to machine them out of aluminium. Or to buy a Tormach real fast. I guess I should play the lottery. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 11:08:31 AM EDT
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I've been working out of town for a week straight so I haven't had time till today to play with stuff. I really like the Fusion III design that is AR-15 in the back and AR-180B in the front. Maybe I should call it the "Mullet". Thoughts? http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left-Adapter.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left-Complete.jpg I also played with the adapter and made something that looks just like the one already being made by KNS. Only real difference I see is mine has an extra screw hole pattern for an ACE style stock. I think I will print one up and see how it works. Come on @brownells I need an upper so I can really finish this project. Well that and someone to machine them out of aluminium. Or to buy a Tormach real fast. I guess I should play the lottery. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 11:13:29 AM EDT
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Agreed. It would look cool on a lot of builds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd rock that lower and I don't care a bit about the 180 upper. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 11:17:08 AM EDT
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Maybe as an unanodized 80% to test?
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Posted: 2/15/2019 12:35:11 PM EDT
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I'd rock that lower and I don't care a bit about the 180 upper. All available time is for normal NDS production and development of my new design. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 12:49:09 PM EDT
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No, I have zero time for outside projects. All available time is for normal NDS production and development of my new design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd rock that lower and I don't care a bit about the 180 upper. All available time is for normal NDS production and development of my new design. |
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