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Posted: 2/15/2019 2:52:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2019 4:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not until I have product ready to ship. We don't want to do vaporware. |
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Posted: 2/17/2019 12:43:27 AM EDT
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Please no more fake rivets!!! So ugly!
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Posted: 2/17/2019 6:48:02 AM EDT
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Please no more fake rivets!!! So ugly! |
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Posted: 2/17/2019 3:20:32 PM EDT
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When the AR-180B was in production there were two predominant loud crowds posting about it. Crowd a. It's not the original, we want stamped sheet metal and correct in every way. Crowd b. It's not modernized we want nitride/rails/quick change barrels.
I see the BRN180 upper as the closest thing to the AR180C that was conceptualized at the time. Someone offering a left side charging handle add on mod kit would check the last block. |
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Posted: 2/18/2019 12:09:02 AM EDT
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OST.
Pretty interested in the Brownells AR180 thing. A lower like what’s posted in this thread would be sweet |
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Posted: 2/18/2019 3:40:04 AM EDT
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In my fantasy world Bigrix, Tromix and Manticore secretly meet and over dinner and beers hatch a nefarious plan to have some fun and enable "bad" behavior
 while we redirect our secret stashes of play money instead of wasting them on something sto0pid. One of them makes a run of 80% or 100% Bigrix type lowers. One of them makes a run of left hand charging handle slide receptacles compatible with FAL folding charging handles and XCR forward assist charging handles. One of them makes a run of aluminum Galil like stock hinges with a canted axis pin fitting the bigrix design lower and accepting ACE skeleton stock upper and lower tubes and butt plate. Much anticipation precedes every step, much satisfaction follows, and great fun is had by all.
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Posted: 2/18/2019 8:24:43 AM EDT
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In my fantasy world Bigrix, Tromix and Manticore secretly meet and over dinner and beers hatch a nefarious plan to have some fun and enable "bad" behavior while we redirect our secret stashes of play money instead of wasting them on something sto0pid. One of them makes a run of 80% or 100% Bigrix type lowers. One of them makes a run of left hand charging handle slide receptacles compatible with FAL folding charging handles and XCR forward assist charging handles. One of them makes a run of aluminum Galil like stock hinges with a canted axis pin fitting the bigrix design lower and accepting ACE skeleton stock upper and lower tubes and butt plate. Much anticipation precedes every step, much satisfaction follows, and great fun is had by all.
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Posted: 2/18/2019 9:06:01 PM EDT
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WHATEVER BECOMES OF THIS PLEASE MAKE THE MARKINGS SAFE, SEMI, AUTO. Just for looks.
Don't do the stupid SAFE, FIRE or SAFE, SEMI. SAFE SEMI AUTO |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:20:15 PM EDT
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Agreed. It would look cool on a lot of builds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd rock that lower and I don't care a bit about the 180 upper.  :
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Posted: 3/3/2019 9:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good work, but Hybrid-Abortion-Lower is not the solution to Hybrid-Abortion-Upper. Only the correct part will do, I'm afraid. Brownell's should do this right, or please don't do it at all. |
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Posted: 3/3/2019 10:21:10 PM EDT
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I for one would be fine with aluminum uppers and lowers. I would also be fine with it taking AR15 magazines and triggers. I would rather it NOT look like an AR15 with an odd looking upper. It should have a side folder or the ability to accept a folder. I would rather they not shorten the AR18 bolt / action or reduce it’s travel. I would rather have them in the interests of reliability.
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Posted: 3/7/2019 1:03:12 PM EDT
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"Only the correct part will do, I'm afraid. Brownell's should do this right, or please don't do it at all." Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 10:10:30 PM EDT
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Are you listening Brownells? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 1:17:46 PM EDT
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A simpler version to make it easier to machine.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 1:20:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and remember Brownells - Those customers would be buying the lower AND upper. Package deal>?? |
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Posted: 3/14/2019 11:13:48 PM EDT
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A simpler version to make it easier to machine. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Simple-Fusion-III.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Simple-Left.jpg |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:36:07 PM EDT
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A simpler version to make it easier to machine. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Simple-Fusion-III.jpg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Simple-Left.jpg |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 11:32:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OUTSTANDING!!!! More and more its getting to be just an AR lower. Strangely, I would be more pleased with a lower that was not compatible with a standard AR upper and would only work with the BRN-180. No means to attach a buffer tube is what I would like. Transition directly to a means to attach a folder and have no means to bastardize it with a buffer tube. I would think that a production model would be about or greater than $300. I would want a design as far as possible away from just being a tweaked AR lower for that price. What appears to be evolving here is just another AR lower 
"Would a Different Lower Make the BRN-180 Better?" Yes, but this ain't it. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 9:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am starting to dislike the progression of the design. More and more its getting to be just an AR lower. Strangely, I would be more pleased with a lower that was not compatible with a standard AR upper and would only work with the BRN-180. No means to attach a buffer tube is what I would like. Transition directly to a means to attach a folder and have no means to bastardize it with a buffer tube. I would think that a production model would be about or greater than $300. I would want a design as far as possible away from just being a tweaked AR lower for that price. What appears to be evolving here is just another AR lower
"Would a Different Lower Make the BRN-180 Better?" Yes, but this ain't it. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 9:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am starting to dislike the progression of the design. More and more its getting to be just an AR lower. Strangely, I would be more pleased with a lower that was not compatible with a standard AR upper and would only work with the BRN-180. No means to attach a buffer tube is what I would like. Transition directly to a means to attach a folder and have no means to bastardize it with a buffer tube. I would think that a production model would be about or greater than $300. I would want a design as far as possible away from just being a tweaked AR lower for that price. What appears to be evolving here is just another AR lower
"Would a Different Lower Make the BRN-180 Better?" Yes, but this ain't it. For the BRN-180 upper, I think Brownells should have made it compatible with standard AR180 lowers and either bought or licensed the Nodak lower. Unlike the lower, I doubt AR15 compatibility or lack thereof on the upper is going to change sales much at all. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 10:28:55 PM EDT
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That's a good way to slice your market down to a nub. The BRN-180 might be popular, it it won't be AR15 popular. And even then, only a small percentage will actually buy an AR180 styled lower. So having a lower that's still AR15 compatible makes more sense. Me personally, I just want the lower, could not care less about the upper. For the BRN-180 upper, I think Brownells should have made it compatible with standard AR180 lowers and either bought or licensed the Nodak lower. Unlike the lower, I doubt AR15 compatibility or lack thereof on the upper is going to change sales much at all. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 9:58:30 PM EDT
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Cool idea. Interested to see where this leads.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 2:46:26 PM EDT
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More and more its getting to be just an AR lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
More and more its getting to be just an AR lower. Quoted:
Strangely, I would be more pleased with a lower that was not compatible with a standard AR upper and would only work with the BRN-180. ... I would think that a production model would be about or greater than $300. I would want a design as far as possible away from just being a tweaked AR lower for that price. "Would a Different Lower Make the BRN-180 Better?" Yes, but this ain't it. If only someone made a AR-180 lower, that took AR-15 pattern mags, and could come in UNDER $300... |
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Posted: 3/26/2019 3:31:43 PM EDT
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I was looking at the BRN180 upper and I think once the rail nonsense was stripped off I could maybe combine it with a gas blow back airsoft L85A1 and build a semi auto L85. @BigRix any chance of that working?
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Posted: 3/26/2019 3:45:09 PM EDT
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I was looking at the BRN180 upper and I think once the rail nonsense was stripped off I could maybe combine it with a gas blow back airsoft L85A1 and build a semi auto L85. @BigRix any chance of that working? |
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Posted: 3/26/2019 3:47:53 PM EDT
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Did someone say L85
I have always wanted one, even a .22 but no one makes them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2019 3:57:58 PM EDT
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@BigRix, Was my friend able to get in touch with you? He’s attached to a British unit and can get hands on with the L85A2 that they are using for possible rough measurements
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Posted: 3/26/2019 7:27:54 PM EDT
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Gotta be honest, I'm loving the fake rivets on the older version. Mag well profile looks super.
The ass end by the stock is the hard part. Squared off looks good, but feel in the hand will be critical, and that square digging into your hand webbing wouldn't be good. The buffer tube is difficult to work with and will be the deal breaker for people... half of us probably want some sort of custom folder and the other half wantbthe traditional tube. The actual stock that could be used will dictate what works, and we are currently stockless, aside from normal tube-based. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:02:07 PM EDT
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First couple operations are done and the shape starts to come to life.
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:21:10 PM EDT
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First couple operations are done and the shape starts to come to life. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/E90FA56B-0309-42E0-A780-32822F21C43B.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/50D2B3AB-C028-407E-B242-DA9A4B561282.jpeg |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 7:44:01 PM EDT
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Good luck with your venture. I sincerely wish you luck.
Its not for me and I would have no interest in buying one. Not that my opinion matters, but I like the way it started out and now..... I am out. I wouldn't be surprised if Nodak comes out with something more to my liking if the BRN-180 takes off. |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 8:42:41 PM EDT
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I think it really looks good
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Posted: 4/2/2019 8:05:03 AM EDT
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First couple operations are done and the shape starts to come to life. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/E90FA56B-0309-42E0-A780-32822F21C43B.jpeg http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/50D2B3AB-C028-407E-B242-DA9A4B561282.jpeg Are you milling this on your own equip or are you shopping it out? |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 11:01:49 AM EDT
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This is just the first prototype in aluminum to see if my model has the correct dimensions and that this style will function.
I am farming this out as I don't have the equipment myself to make them. My hope is to get things dialed in and make some with a few more "do-dads" on it to make it look more the part. 
I want to make these as an 80% and sell them. If that doesn't work out and all I get are a few of them for personal use then it was still a fun project and I learned a lot. If @brownells ever gets the uppers shipped I can start to work on a version that is more like my original vision, with a flat back and squared off section that looks like an NDS-18S. That will require mods to the upper adapter to make work and would limit the market for the lower. I still want at least one for me. :) 
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Posted: 4/3/2019 5:48:04 PM EDT
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This is just the first prototype in aluminum to see if my model has the correct dimensions and that this style will function. I am farming this out as I don't have the equipment myself to make them. My hope is to get things dialed in and make some with a few more "do-dads" on it to make it look more the part. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left.jpg I want to make these as an 80% and sell them. If that doesn't work out and all I get are a few of them for personal use then it was still a fun project and I learned a lot. If @brownells ever gets the uppers shipped I can start to work on a version that is more like my original vision, with a flat back and squared off section that looks like an NDS-18S. That will require mods to the upper adapter to make work and would limit the market for the lower. I still want at least one for me. :) http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/AR180S.com-Fusion-Lower.jpg |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 5:49:41 PM EDT
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Big fan of what you're doing, Rick!
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Posted: 4/4/2019 6:25:33 AM EDT
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This is just the first prototype in aluminum to see if my model has the correct dimensions and that this style will function. I am farming this out as I don't have the equipment myself to make them. My hope is to get things dialed in and make some with a few more "do-dads" on it to make it look more the part. http://ar180s.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Fusion-III-Left.jpg I want to make these as an 80% and sell them. If that doesn't work out and all I get are a few of them for personal use then it was still a fun project and I learned a lot. That looks awesome! |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 4:47:15 PM EDT
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Looks really good.
 The one thing I would recommend is to bump up the thickness of the front pivot pin boss. |
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Posted: 4/5/2019 8:35:17 PM EDT
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Looks really good. The one thing I would recommend is to bump up the thickness of the front pivot pin boss. When are the 80% ones for sale. 
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Posted: 4/5/2019 10:03:57 PM EDT
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I updated the model with some thicker walls around the pivot pin.
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Posted: 4/6/2019 1:27:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2019 2:25:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2019 3:37:39 PM EDT
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Love how this project is coming along!
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Posted: 4/9/2019 6:24:55 PM EDT
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Wonderful work so far, hopefully Brownell’s has gotten the message for a more retro variant of the BRN-180 (which is now shipping apparently). Then, I might have to pick up my first ever 80% lower.
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Posted: 4/12/2019 6:29:33 PM EDT
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Wow this looks great If you ever make the files public I'd like to try to machine one.
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Posted: 4/12/2019 10:52:24 PM EDT
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I'm loving how this is coming along! Keep up the great work!
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Posted: 4/13/2019 11:07:22 PM EDT
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While I do think what Rix is doing looks fantastic, I am really hoping that someone is going to develop a lower for the BRN 180 that completely gets away from the AR buffer tube. That is the one thing that prevents a lot of development of the AR platform. Your always going to need that round tube with a big spring in it and it needs to be low enough to clear the charging handle. Why start with those limitations when they are 100% unnecessary and in this case, useless? Why have a lower with a buffer tube that doesn’t need a buffer tube? I would love to see this with a hinge for an ACR stock or Tromix or whatever folder or maybe someone will develop a stock for it. I don’t care about the retro looks or lack of retro looks. I personally like the look of the BRN upper. It just seems to me that a regular folder without the empty aluminum tube in it would just be so much cooler and would take advantage of one of the benefits of the AR 180 operating system. (No buffer tube ??)
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Posted: 4/14/2019 8:58:25 AM EDT
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While I do think what Rix is doing looks fantastic, I am really hoping that someone is going to develop a lower for the BRN 180 that completely gets away from the AR buffer tube. That is the one thing that prevents a lot of development of the AR platform. Your always going to need that round tube with a big spring in it and it needs to be low enough to clear the charging handle. Why start with those limitations when they are 100% unnecessary and in this case, useless? Why have a lower with a buffer tube that doesn’t need a buffer tube? I would love to see this with a hinge for an ACR stock or Tromix or whatever folder or maybe someone will develop a stock for it. I don’t care about the retro looks or lack of retro looks. I personally like the look of the BRN upper. It just seems to me that a regular folder without the empty aluminum tube in it would just be so much cooler and would take advantage of one of the benefits of the AR 180 operating system. (No buffer tube ??) |
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Posted: 4/14/2019 9:05:17 AM EDT
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While I do think what Rix is doing looks fantastic, I am really hoping that someone is going to develop a lower for the BRN 180 that completely gets away from the AR buffer tube. That is the one thing that prevents a lot of development of the AR platform. Your always going to need that round tube with a big spring in it and it needs to be low enough to clear the charging handle. Why start with those limitations when they are 100% unnecessary and in this case, useless? Why have a lower with a buffer tube that doesn’t need a buffer tube? I would love to see this with a hinge for an ACR stock or Tromix or whatever folder or maybe someone will develop a stock for it. I don’t care about the retro looks or lack of retro looks. I personally like the look of the BRN upper. It just seems to me that a regular folder without the empty aluminum tube in it would just be so much cooler and would take advantage of one of the benefits of the AR 180 operating system. (No buffer tube ??) Seems he was thinking that the lower would serve a dual purpose. BRN-180 and standard AR upper. I don't want anything with a buffer tube or the looks of a buffer tube or that will accept a buffer tube. I wish for something that is for the BRN-180 ONLY. My opinion doesn't matter, it is his project but it is refreshing to see another opinion exactly like mine. NO BUFFER TUBE! Just an interface so the owner could mount one of the currently sold folders. MCX, ACE etc. The BRN-180 is shipping now. I am going to cringe in horror when owners start posting their pics with a folder that is using a buffer tube. |
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