Originally Posted By Rkangel777:
Based on the numbers so far, pistol owners are making a statement.  Just saw a report that, depending on the actual number of braces in the market, the number of amnesty registrations is between 0.6% and 8%  Draw what conclusions you may, but I think it is clear that the registration scheme was a bust.

Originally Posted By et_slowpoke:

ATF got the worst of all worlds on the registration number;
Its an incredibly small percentage and yet the registration numbers are above the common use numbers that triggered 2a protection in Caetano v Massachusetts.

Originally Posted By TUFBOY:
I guess I'm one of the 8% but I'm glad I filed and was approved.

Originally Posted By joe___223:
I had a 14.5" pinned and welded to 16.1" instead of a tax stamp.

Also had it Cerakoted Chocolate Brown.

It was $200 total.

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Originally Posted By EDL:
If filed mine because I was wanting to anyway (I want an SBR) and when they waived the $200 tax and engraving requirement because of the brace ban, I jumped on it, hey, freebie register.  I get and appreciate the thoughts of many about this, but I wanted an SBR even before the ban, so I'm on my way...at least I hope I am.

My eform1 was filed on 27 April.  I logged in to the ATF site last night and all it still shows is "submitted" after clicking on the "submitted/processing" link on the left side, then selecting my form.  Am I assuming correctly that this means they haven't even looked at it yet to start processing it?

It took 13 months and 3 days to get my form 4 approved for my suppressor.  I just hope this isn't going to be another year freakin wait.

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:

Eventually, we’ll see it as a success.  

Braced Pistols were the avant-garde of chaos.  It’s always been this way.

Originally Posted By TUFBOY:
I guess I'm one of the 8% but I'm glad I filed and was approved.

Originally Posted By lazyengineer:
As a Tech Forum item:  apparently only about 250,000 were registered, representing a rather low and likely single digit% compliance rate (<5% likley).  I'm totally good with that, but lower than i was expecting.  Why?  Because I know of about.. 7(?) People who had arm brace firearms.  Of those, 6 have told me they registered, and I haven't heard from the 7th, though I'm going to guess no.  So of those I know IRL, the ratio is much higher - whatever that means.  I think i know of one more, and he almost certainly didn’t.  (I lost his contact info and can't recall his name, sir)
FWIW, most of that demo are professional career middle age (ish) males.  

Of those that registered, most did several, and some included stripped lowers that had been configured as pistols temporarily in January (or so they claim).  Most of them included something in addition to an AR15, but every single one definatly included an AR15, usually several.

So my tech question: of those registered, what do you think the breakdown is by model?  (I'm a stat's junky, I love seeing the breakdown of things, good or bad)

My own guess:

AR (standard): 70%
AR15 PCC lower: 5%
MP5 derivative: 2%
CZ Scorp: 0.2%
STRIBOG: 0.05%
Glock handgun: 0.006%
10/22 (Chargers, etc): 0.02%
Cz Bren: 0.005%
Other?

I'm also curious caliber.  My guess is .223/9mm/.22LR/.300BO will be king.  some 7.62x39, but few.  With much fewer .308, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8SPC.   And after that, very very little. Maybe .45ACP.


Random shit (like a 1911 with armbrace zip tied to it in January) - very rare if any.

One aspect of this, is the "with conditions" meant no engraving, was one of those conditions.  I wonder: in 5 years, will those be a higher premium?  Particularly the imports that got 922r waived.  I'd guess the registered imported 9mm SMG's will see a noteworthy value increase.  Even the AR's probably will, since so few in total now got around the engraving requirement?

For those able to be dispassionate and just zero in on the technical side,  I'm curious what you think?

Originally Posted By TUFBOY:
I recieved my approval in 45 working days. Don't count holidays or weekends. Good luck

Originally Posted By Popcop:


I received my approval when I was born into this world.

Originally Posted By StrikeEagle15:
if you want an SBR did fill out the form and pay $200 for a real SBR. Pretty easy

Originally Posted By Wandell:
As mentioned, several of us registered more than one pistol brace equipped firearm.  A lot of those also said that they already owned (and paid for) at least one NFA item already.  So a lot of us didn't really comply, we just played the system to get free SBR registrations.
It also seems that some people that paid $200 for their SBR's are a little upset to see others get them for free.

Originally Posted By Wandell:
As mentioned, several of us registered more than one pistol brace equipped firearm.  A lot of those also said that they already owned (and paid for) at least one NFA item already.  So a lot of us didn't really comply, we just played the system to get free SBR registrations.
It also seems that some people that paid $200 for their SBR's are a little upset to see others get them for free.

Originally Posted By GGGBeo50:
It all goes out in the wash in this game, whether parts or stamps or ammo. $200 aint shit, dont take your family out to dinner 2x in a month. I shot $200 worth of ammo Saturday spent $80 in gas blasting steel and hurting egos with 80 dudes in chest rigs and rucks. No one is "playing the system", we are always getting railed with high ammo prices, high priced fanboy bullshit and newer tech. And I wouldn't have it any other way. The goal is to repeal the NFA and take your wins from there, whatever you spent prior is gone, get over it.

Originally Posted By panthermark:

It was a bribe/registration scheme/power-grab by the ATF that many willingly joined will NOT under duress.

I don't think people are upset that you got a free SBR while others paid for stuff.  People are upset that you willfully threw in with the ATF's BS scheme that gives levity to the braces being stocks, and that the ATF can change the rules whenever, and that people will willing register weapons if there is personal gain in it, regardless of it impacts others.

Originally Posted By Wandell:
As mentioned, several of us registered more than one pistol brace equipped firearm.  A lot of those also said that they already owned (and paid for) at least one NFA item already.  So a lot of us didn't really comply, we just played the system to get free SBR registrations.
It also seems that some people that paid $200 for their SBR's are a little upset to see others get them for free.

Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter:
Yup, losing pistols impacts both sides of the market (buyers and sellers) in terms of variety and options (physical and legal).  As the rule currently stands gun owners of all inclinations lost a huge niche and legal alternative going forward. It was useful enough that many cops had braced pistols for duty use.

Originally Posted By GGGBeo50:
Cops still do to this day because they dont care.

SAF WELCOMES NRA MOTION TO JOIN IN ITS LAWSUIT v. ATF
The Second Amendment Foundation today said it welcomes the National Rifle Association’s request to join in a federal lawsuit filed by SAF and its associates in a challenge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ new “arm brace rule.”

NRA announced the effort Wednesday on its website, explaining the move was to obtain injunctive relief for its members to stop the ATF from enforcing its new rule – which totally reversed the agency’s previous position that pistol braces did not convert pistols into short-barreled rifles, making them subject to regulation under the 1934 National Firearms Act. The case is known as SAF, et.al. v. ATF, et. al.

On May 31, U.S. District Judge Jane J. Boyle in the Northern District of Texas, Dallas Division, confirmed the scope of a preliminary injunction she had issued in the case applied not only to SAF, but its members as well. “The Court confirms that its Preliminary Injunction Order applies to both the Second Amendment Foundation, Inc. and its members.”

The NRA announcement confirmed the organization “is going to court to obtain preliminary, and ultimately permanent, injunctive relief restraining Defendants from enforcing the ‘Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached ‘Stabilizing Braces’ (the “Final Rule”) against law-abiding NRA members.”

“We welcome the NRA’s motion to join in our lawsuit,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “If their motion is granted—and we certainly have no objection—it will mean more American gun owners will enjoy the same protection SAF members were granted under Judge Boyle’s preliminary injunction order. It only makes sense NRA would want the same protection for its members.”

SAF is joined in the case by Rainier Arms, LLC and two private citizens, Samuel Walley and William Green. They are represented by attorney Chad Flores at Flores Law in Houston, Texas.

“We’re in this for the long haul, and we intend to win,” Gottlieb said. “SAF has become a recognized leader in Second Amendment litigation since our 2010 Supreme Court victory in McDonald v. City of Chicago. We’re serious in our intent to win back firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time.”

Originally Posted By s4s4u:
A little late to the party, but better late than never I guess:

Originally Posted By panthermark:

Damn, talk about late to the party!

Originally Posted By KitBuilder:
The ones that didn't care had stocks the whole time.

Cops can register new SBRs for official use tax-exempt (at any time) but they must be registered to your agency first, and then "transferred" to the officer on F5 (which is also tax-exempt).