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Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: One I've found does have the date stamped on the crimped end. https://i.imgur.com/dQB0wuM.jpg @akaLoneStar GREAT! Now you have a 602 ERA sling. I HOPE that your 601 sling is a real one, and not one of the many repros out there. |
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Originally Posted By M16indiana: @akaLoneStar GREAT! Now you have a 602 sling. I HOPE that your 601 sling is a real one, and not one of the many repros out there. I hope so too! The 601 sling should arrive soon. I will take better photos when I get it in hand. These pictures are from the seller.    
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Originally Posted By Retroenthusiast67: I wanna know where you keep finding all of these unicorn parts and as fast as you do, it took me almost 4 years for my 602 I will say that there have been more than a few members from within the forum that have been extremely helpful and or have sold me parts. I will also, say that I spend at least some time everyday researching or hunting parts online. I found the 602 a sling on eBay yesterday after Tom posted pictures of what I needed. It was labeled as an M1 Garand sling. By the length and the look I determined it was the right one (at least I hope I made a good choice). I received notification earlier that it already has been shipped out to me today. I went through hundreds of eBay posted items yesterday looking for the correct sling. 
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Originally Posted By Retroenthusiast67: I think the hardest thing for me honestly was the barrel, I had haggled a few mvp 12's with cast FSB's to find one nice enough to trade off for a vp12 from another fellow member. Oddly enough the upper itself just kinda fell into my lap. Same here. The upper receiver was my first item. I found it on GB listed as a 604 back in August. I thought "well, I better get it and hang onto to it, because I will never see another one". Then less than a week later Kkrad on GB posted a 602 complete furniture set. So within a week or two I had acquired 2 of the 3 hardest parts. |
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Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: I will say that there have been more than a few members from within the forum that have been extremely helpful and or have sold me parts. I will also, say that I spend at least some time everyday researching or hunting parts online. I found the 602 sling on eBay yesterday after Tom posted pictures of what I needed. It was labeled as an M1 Garand sling. By the length and the look I determined it was the right one (at least I hope I made a good choice). I received notification earlier that it already has been shipped out to me today. I went through hundreds of eBay posted items yesterday looking for the correct sling.https://i.imgur.com/bgZkM0s.jpg For the record aka, that sling is not a 602 sling. Yes it certainly would/could have been used on a 602. There was no "602" sling. The cotton canvas slings are "Sling,Small Arms, M1" and later as "Sling, Gun, M1". The 1st ones came out in WW2 to replace the M1907 leather slings. The M1 does not mean M1 Garand, it's just the nomenclature for the sling. See pic bellow. With that said, those metal tab marked slings were made for a year and a half. I forget Bill Ricca's info but it was either the full year 1963 and half a year 1964, or visa versa. They are not specific to the 602. I used to have pics saved but lost in a puter crash of wrapped M1 slings going back to the 1950s all with the same nomenclature, and even the late (post 1969) "seatbelt" M1 slings have the same info on the packages even tho they were made from a nylon (Rayon?) material. Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By m1sniper: For the record aka, that sling is not a 602 sling. Yes it certainly would/could have been used on a 602. There was no "602" sling. The cotton canvas slings are "Sling,Small Arms, M1" and later as "Sling, Gun, M1". The 1st ones came out in WW2 to replace the M1907 leather slings. The M1 does not mean M1 Garand, it's just the nomenclature for the sling. See pic bellow. With that said, those metal tab marked slings were made for a year and a half. I forget Bill Ricca's info but it was either the full year 1963 and half a year 1964, or visa versa. They are not specific to the 602. I used to have pics saved but lost in a puter crash of wrapped M1 slings going back to the 1950s all with the same nomenclature, and even the late (post 1969) "seatbelt" M1 slings have the same info on the packages even tho they were made from a nylon (Rayon?) material. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_66_jpg-3087313.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_69_70_jpg-3087316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/12-69_jpg-3087328.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/1-70_jpg-3087331.JPG No, they are not specific to the 602 - you are correct. ONLY the 601 had a “specific” sling. You can put a WWII dated Garand sling on a 602 rifle, and it won’t be “incorrect” because it COULD have been utilized on a 602. That being said, the metal tab marked slings were made in the same time frame as the 602’s, so they go very well with a 602. |
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Originally Posted By M16indiana: No, they are not specific to the 602 - you are correct. ONLY the 601 had a “specific” sling. You can put a WWII dated Garand sling on a 602 rifle, and it won’t be “incorrect” because it COULD have been utilized on a 602. That being said, the metal tab marked slings were made in the same time frame as the 602’s, so they go very well with a 602. Originally Posted By M16indiana: Originally Posted By m1sniper: For the record aka, that sling is not a 602 sling. Yes it certainly would/could have been used on a 602. There was no "602" sling. The cotton canvas slings are "Sling,Small Arms, M1" and later as "Sling, Gun, M1". The 1st ones came out in WW2 to replace the M1907 leather slings. The M1 does not mean M1 Garand, it's just the nomenclature for the sling. See pic bellow. With that said, those metal tab marked slings were made for a year and a half. I forget Bill Ricca's info but it was either the full year 1963 and half a year 1964, or visa versa. They are not specific to the 602. I used to have pics saved but lost in a puter crash of wrapped M1 slings going back to the 1950s all with the same nomenclature, and even the late (post 1969) "seatbelt" M1 slings have the same info on the packages even tho they were made from a nylon (Rayon?) material. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_66_jpg-3087313.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_69_70_jpg-3087316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/12-69_jpg-3087328.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/1-70_jpg-3087331.JPG No, they are not specific to the 602 - you are correct. ONLY the 601 had a “specific” sling. You can put a WWII dated Garand sling on a 602 rifle, and it won’t be “incorrect” because it COULD have been utilized on a 602. That being said, the metal tab marked slings were made in the same time frame as the 602’s, so they go very well with a 602. Agreed. ^^ Just wanted him to have correct info so when he starts teaching newbies he has the correct info to pass on. |
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Originally Posted By m1sniper: For the record aka, that sling is not a 602 sling. Yes it certainly would/could have been used on a 602. There was no "602" sling. The cotton canvas slings are "Sling,Small Arms, M1" and later as "Sling, Gun, M1". The 1st ones came out in WW2 to replace the M1907 leather slings. The M1 does not mean M1 Garand, it's just the nomenclature for the sling. See pic bellow. With that said, those metal tab marked slings were made for a year and a half. I forget Bill Ricca's info but it was either the full year 1963 and half a year 1964, or visa versa. They are not specific to the 602. I used to have pics saved but lost in a puter crash of wrapped M1 slings going back to the 1950s all with the same nomenclature, and even the late (post 1969) "seatbelt" M1 slings have the same info on the packages even tho they were made from a nylon (Rayon?) material. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_66_jpg-3087313.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_69_70_jpg-3087316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/12-69_jpg-3087328.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/1-70_jpg-3087331.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/182845/M1_65_jpg-3087363.JPG I know and I stand corrected. You are right, what we say here helps everyone down the line. I should have said I found a sling for my 602. The comment on the Garand pertained to the eBay ad. Garand slings like my own is for all functional purposes the same. 
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Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: According to the worldbayonets.com the Milpar came too late to be on an early 602. I hope this is wrong because, as said before, an original Colt 62082 is really hard to find and afford. World Bayonets - Contract Summary World Bayonets ID Guide https://i.imgur.com/ePnvaOM.jpg Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: Originally Posted By m1sniper: As shown in ASDs posted pics about, regardless of whether the rifles are 601s or 602s. We see a Waffle and post waffle mags. So arguably correct would be waffles, transitional Colt/Armalite .223 marked and Colt .223 marked for the time frame your looking to do. The only case where a specific mag would be "issued" with a rifle is most likely the early 601s and waffles , Colt wanted to be the "sole" supplier of the "package deal" that included the waffles. After that soldier walks into the arms room, gets issued a rifle, the armorer would issue the rifle and whatever mags were "on the shelf" so to speak. According to the worldbayonets.com the Milpar came too late to be on an early 602. I hope this is wrong because, as said before, an original Colt 62082 is really hard to find and afford. World Bayonets - Contract Summary World Bayonets ID Guide https://i.imgur.com/ePnvaOM.jpg Do y'all think a Milpar was produced too late to be on this rifle? I know we discussed this a little before, but I can't seem to find that much information on production dates. The only source for a timeline I have found is on worldbayonets.com. |
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The only person who I would believe 110% is Bill Ricca who collected actual copies of contracts is no longer with us. That said, the original owner of SP1 118x manufactured on Nov. 16, 1964 and sent to his LGS on Nov. 20, 1964 added a NOS Milpar bayonet at the time he received the rifle. |
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Originally Posted By m1sniper: The only person who I would believe 110% is Bill Ricca who collected actual copies of contracts is no longer with us. That said, the original owner of SP1 118x manufactured on Nov. 16, 1964 and sent to his LGS on Nov. 20, 1964 added a NOS Milpar bayonet at the time he received the rifle. Okay. That is a good reference. I'm not sure how correct the worldbayonet.com post is. Maybe a better way to look at it is when did they quit producing the Colt's 62082 Armalite bayonet? Has anyone seen a 602 with a Colt 62082 bayonet on it? There is something that feels wrong about a Colt 62082 bayonet on a 602, almost like putting 601 furniture on a 602. |
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Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: What do you think a fair price for an Armalite AR-15 223 Gen II magazine? I see there have been 2 magazines posted on GB for some time making me think they are priced too high for their condition. I would say, in today’s market, $150 to $200, depending on how badly/quickly you want one. I have managed to find all of mine for $100 or less with patient looking |
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Originally Posted By M16indiana: I would say, in today’s market, $150 to $200, depending on how badly/quickly you want one. I have managed to find all of mine for $100 or less with patient looking Great price! I missed one last month that was in really good condition that came with 2 rubber covered canvas magazine pouches. It went for $250. Wasn't sure how much the pouches were worth. Let me know if I should have bought them. I don't know much about the pouches. The 2 on GB right now are in a definitely more used condition. They have been listed for well more than a month. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1020999230 |
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Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: Great price! I missed one last month that was in really good condition that came with 2 rubber covered canvas magazine pouches. It went for $250. Wasn't sure how much the pouches were worth. Let me know if I should have bought them. I don't know much about the pouches. The 2 on GB right now are in a definitely more used condition. They have been listed for well more than a month. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1020999230 The pouches are worth $50 to $100 each, so assuming $75 each, that would have put the mag right at $100, so I think it would have been a good buy. There are three varieties of pouches if you want to collect them - non rubberized, slightly rubberized, and heavily rubberized. I have found the non-rubberized variety the hardest to find, and the heavily rubberized variety the easiest to find. |
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Originally Posted By M16indiana: The pouches are worth $50 to $100 each, so assuming $75 each, that would have put the mag right at $100, so I think it would have been a good buy. There are three varieties of pouches if you want to collect them - non rubberized, slightly rubberized, and heavily rubberized. I have found the non-rubberized variety the hardest to find, and the heavily rubberized variety the easiest to find. I’m assuming the differences also had a time period for production of pouches, right? Which one’s would be correct for 601’s, 602’s, and so on? |
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Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: I’m assuming the differences also had a time period for production of pouches, right? Which one’s would be correct for 601’s, 602’s, and so on? I’m sure that they are all correct for the 601/602. My best guess is that the non-rubberized version came first, and it was discovered that they were rotting in the jungle environment. Then they progressed to the partially rubberized variety, followed by the full rubberized variety. |
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Originally Posted By M16indiana: I’m sure that they are all correct for the 601/602. My best guess is that the non-rubberized version came first, and it was discovered that they were rotting in the jungle environment. Then they progressed to the partially rubberized variety, followed by the full rubberized variety. Originally Posted By M16indiana: Originally Posted By akaLoneStar: I’m assuming the differences also had a time period for production of pouches, right? Which one’s would be correct for 601’s, 602’s, and so on? I’m sure that they are all correct for the 601/602. My best guess is that the non-rubberized version came first, and it was discovered that they were rotting in the jungle environment. Then they progressed to the partially rubberized variety, followed by the full rubberized variety. Makes sense 
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Originally Posted By M16indiana: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432342/IMG_8050-3109917.png Thanks, this helps a lot. |
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Originally Posted By m1sniper: Just to add to your knowledge base. M16 refers to one pouch being "none rubberized" and that is correct, however those pouches are "impregnated" with something. Similar to GI tents.  I'm considering these pouches. Maybe 3 different manufactured runs? |
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