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Posted: 6/16/2015 10:48:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeE23666:
There are some posted here in this thread somewhere. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeE23666:
Originally Posted By InternationalM:
Were m16A4's ever issued with Eotechs or aimpoints? There are some posted here in this thread somewhere. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I saw them too with eotech, was curious to see what model it was....... |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 4:35:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InternationalM:
Were m16A4's ever issued with Eotechs or aimpoints? EOTech yes. I've never seen a service A4 with an Aimpoint tho, but wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere did. ETA I think the one I'm thinking of had a 552 on it. |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 5:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
EOTech yes. I've never seen a service A4 with an Aimpoint tho, but wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere did. ETA I think the one I'm thinking of had a 552 on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By InternationalM:
Were m16A4's ever issued with Eotechs or aimpoints? EOTech yes. I've never seen a service A4 with an Aimpoint tho, but wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere did. ETA I think the one I'm thinking of had a 552 on it. Prior to the M4 being adopted for all BCTs in the Army; you use to see Army A4s with M68s Marines units for several years would buy eotechs prior to the RCO being universally fielded. |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 5:15:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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Yeah, I'm thinking I've seen some pics of aimpoints and A4's on here. For sure. I think I just saw one in that thread that asked about rifles and carbine buttstock being OK.
Nope, was an A2. I think I've seen it before, but not sure I have a pic of one. |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 5:48:08 PM EDT
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I have a few pics of A4s with Aimpoints. Just gotta find'em.
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Posted: 6/17/2015 12:08:11 AM EDT
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When I went through OSUT (Army), we all had A4's with M68's (after passing basic rifle marksmanship).
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Posted: 6/17/2015 2:56:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Corporal_Chaos: When I went through OSUT (Army), we all had A4's with M68's (after passing basic rifle marksmanship). This. I really want to clone my basic training rifle, but finding a Comp M2 might be a bit hard. Decisions, decisions... |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 3:23:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By allforgotten1:
This. I really want to clone my basic training rifle, but finding a Comp M2 might be a bit hard. Decisions, decisions... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By allforgotten1:
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
When I went through OSUT (Army), we all had A4's with M68's (after passing basic rifle marksmanship). This. I really want to clone my basic training rifle, but finding a Comp M2 might be a bit hard. Decisions, decisions... I've seen a bunch in the EE. Do it! You could always make a WTB ad as well for the comp M2 |
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Posted: 6/18/2015 10:53:33 AM EDT
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ok I tried search and im a doomas.. what vertical grip is used with the KAC M5 RAS?
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Posted: 6/18/2015 11:05:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pigpen60:
ok I tried search and im a doomas.. what vertical grip is used with the KAC M5 RAS? The KAC Vertical Grip: http://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-forward-pistol-grip-assembly/ 
But dear God, please don't pay $65 for one. You can find them on the EE for about $15 shipped. Most often they are sold with rail panels and other accessories. They are so prolific they are often thrown into the category of "A2 grips" as far as people have extras. If I can find a spare I'll send you an IM. |
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Posted: 6/18/2015 11:47:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
The KAC Vertical Grip: http://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-forward-pistol-grip-assembly/ http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-xock0/products/1678/images/904/97098-2__39175.1404845304.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 But dear God, please don't pay $65 for one. You can find them on the EE for about $15 shipped. Most often they are sold with rail panels and other accessories. They are so prolific they are often thrown into the category of "A2 grips" as far as people have extras. If I can find a spare I'll send you an IM. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By pigpen60:
ok I tried search and im a doomas.. what vertical grip is used with the KAC M5 RAS? The KAC Vertical Grip: http://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-forward-pistol-grip-assembly/ http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-xock0/products/1678/images/904/97098-2__39175.1404845304.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 But dear God, please don't pay $65 for one. You can find them on the EE for about $15 shipped. Most often they are sold with rail panels and other accessories. They are so prolific they are often thrown into the category of "A2 grips" as far as people have extras. If I can find a spare I'll send you an IM. I see them at gun shows for $10 all the time. |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 12:13:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By allforgotten1:
This. I really want to clone my basic training rifle, but finding a Comp M2 might be a bit hard. Decisions, decisions... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By allforgotten1:
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
When I went through OSUT (Army), we all had A4's with M68's (after passing basic rifle marksmanship). This. I really want to clone my basic training rifle, but finding a Comp M2 might be a bit hard. Decisions, decisions... Purchase a PRO & change the mount. |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 2:54:40 PM EDT
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thanks for replies, thanks ankratz.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 11:29:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2015 12:29:45 PM EDT
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Very nice!
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IN, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2015 2:55:51 PM EDT
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Took mine out the other day.
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Posted: 6/26/2015 3:50:11 PM EDT
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I'm planning to run a red dot on mine. Originally I was inspired to run a 512, but all I have at the moment is a 553.
I pieced together an NOS M68 gen1 mount that I will put my aimpoint PRO in. Works for me. I dig an A4 with a red dot. |
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Posted: 6/26/2015 8:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thecolter383:
Took mine out the other day. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3704/18948554459_e52fe098e0_h.jpg Terrific pic. |
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Posted: 6/27/2015 1:00:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
The KAC Vertical Grip: http://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-forward-pistol-grip-assembly/ http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-xock0/products/1678/images/904/97098-2__39175.1404845304.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 But dear God, please don't pay $65 for one. You can find them on the EE for about $15 shipped. Most often they are sold with rail panels and other accessories. They are so prolific they are often thrown into the category of "A2 grips" as far as people have extras. If I can find a spare I'll send you an IM. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By pigpen60:
ok I tried search and im a doomas.. what vertical grip is used with the KAC M5 RAS? The KAC Vertical Grip: http://www.operationparts.com/kac-knights-armament-forward-pistol-grip-assembly/ http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-xock0/products/1678/images/904/97098-2__39175.1404845304.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 But dear God, please don't pay $65 for one. You can find them on the EE for about $15 shipped. Most often they are sold with rail panels and other accessories. They are so prolific they are often thrown into the category of "A2 grips" as far as people have extras. If I can find a spare I'll send you an IM. I just finished selling about 60 of these on Ebay for 10-15$ |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 2:38:44 PM EDT
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JeredMD,
gorgeous set of firearms there. I am with you, periodically, I just take the Acog off. And put the big ole handle back on. I love it for a while. Then put Acog back on. Then off. On. Off. On. Off. So it goes. It's cool to have options to give 'em different looks, aint it? |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:37:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lancelot]
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 Gunnery Sgt. Amber Woods aims her rifle on June 30 during the 54th Inter-service Rifle Match held at Quantico, Va. The Marine Corps’ Weapons Training Battalion hosted the event from June 24 to July 1.(Photo: Daniel Woolfolk/Staff) |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 9:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f5165edfa19bcf273643df7b3770f5690bca06dd/r=x404&c=534x401/http/cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/ed43d23f836e8638496a3d04092d466af92fa7c1/c=0-0-5107-3840/local/-/media/2015/07/01/GGM/MilitaryTimes/635713546719675685-Rifle-competition-Woolfolk-.JPG Gunnery Sgt. Amber Woods aims her rifle on June 30 during the 54th Inter-service Rifle Match held at Quantico, Va. The Marine Corps’ Weapons Training Battalion hosted the event from June 24 to July 1.(Photo: Daniel Woolfolk/Staff) Looks like they modified the KAC M-5 RAS to work around the float tube. I've one that looks just like it. Dan |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 12:22:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
EOTech yes. I've never seen a service A4 with an Aimpoint tho, but wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere did. ETA I think the one I'm thinking of had a 552 on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By InternationalM:
Were m16A4's ever issued with Eotechs or aimpoints? EOTech yes. I've never seen a service A4 with an Aimpoint tho, but wouldn't be surprised if somebody somewhere did. ETA I think the one I'm thinking of had a 552 on it. I have. 2009 in Balad AB, Iraq. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:25:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279:
Looks like they modified the KAC M-5 RAS to work around the float tube. I've one that looks just like it. Dan Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f5165edfa19bcf273643df7b3770f5690bca06dd/r=x404&c=534x401/http/cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/ed43d23f836e8638496a3d04092d466af92fa7c1/c=0-0-5107-3840/local/-/media/2015/07/01/GGM/MilitaryTimes/635713546719675685-Rifle-competition-Woolfolk-.JPG Gunnery Sgt. Amber Woods aims her rifle on June 30 during the 54th Inter-service Rifle Match held at Quantico, Va. The Marine Corps’ Weapons Training Battalion hosted the event from June 24 to July 1.(Photo: Daniel Woolfolk/Staff) Looks like they modified the KAC M-5 RAS to work around the float tube. I've one that looks just like it. Dan That RAS would be around 1lb right? Add that with the freefloat sleeve (made of steel?) and the front end of that A4 has some weight to it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:26:33 AM EDT
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 Lance Cpl. Shaquille Smith with III Marine Expeditionary Force/Marine Corps Installations Pacific rushes toward a simulated casualty as part of combat first aid training during Khaan Quest 2015 at the Five Hills Training Area in Tavantolgoi, Mongolia, June 27, 2015. Khaan Quest is a regularly scheduled, multinational exercise hosted annually by Mongolian Armed Forces and co-sponsored by U.S. Army, Pacific, and U.S. Marine Corps Forces, Pacific. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Lance Cpl. Cedric R. Haller II/Released) |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:41:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeE23666:
That RAS would be around 1lb right? Add that with the freefloat sleeve (made of steel?) and the front end of that A4 has some weight to it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeE23666:
Originally Posted By AGR1279:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f5165edfa19bcf273643df7b3770f5690bca06dd/r=x404&c=534x401/http/cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/ed43d23f836e8638496a3d04092d466af92fa7c1/c=0-0-5107-3840/local/-/media/2015/07/01/GGM/MilitaryTimes/635713546719675685-Rifle-competition-Woolfolk-.JPG Gunnery Sgt. Amber Woods aims her rifle on June 30 during the 54th Inter-service Rifle Match held at Quantico, Va. The Marine Corps’ Weapons Training Battalion hosted the event from June 24 to July 1.(Photo: Daniel Woolfolk/Staff) Looks like they modified the KAC M-5 RAS to work around the float tube. I've one that looks just like it. Dan That RAS would be around 1lb right? Add that with the freefloat sleeve (made of steel?) and the front end of that A4 has some weight to it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes. You can't put much additional weight under the RAS as compared to the standard A2 style hand guards. Dan |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:45:08 PM EDT
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I always wondered why some of them stick the PEQ on the side instead of on top - especially if they have the top rail clear.
I would think the rifle balances way better with PEQ on top. I did the same on the pic below, but just for I am a damn copycat.  Hoorah by SoloDallas, on Flickr |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 8:58:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: R0N]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
I always wondered why some of them stick the PEQ on the side instead of on top - especially if they have the top rail clear. I would think the rifle balances way better with PEQ on top. I did the same on the pic below, but just for I am a damn copycat. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/mZnUBK" target="_blank">https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2806/13776449985_08696795b1_b.jpg</a> Hoorah by SoloDallas, on Flickr Mostly convenience, many don't like it blocking the bottom of their RCO view this combined with rudimentary training that doesn't explains the need to have the laser above the bore. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 6:17:28 PM EDT
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Got my A4 clone forsale in the EE
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Posted: 7/3/2015 6:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Mostly convenience, many don't like it blocking the bottom of their RCO view this combined with rudimentary training that doesn't explains the need to have the laser above the bore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Mostly convenience, many don't like it blocking the bottom of their RCO view this combined with rudimentary training that doesn't explains the need to have the laser above the bore. Now THAT made sense. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:22:29 PM EDT
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 Lance Cpl. Alex Rowan, a combat engineer with 4th Marine Division, runs to take cover before the Anti-Personnel Obstacle Breaching System detonates during the SAPPER Leaders Course aboard Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, June 26, 2015. During the course, the Marines used assault and breaching techniques to clear a wire obstacle using line charges that utilized C4 explosives and their APOBS. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Krista James/Released) |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 9:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11140356_10152805581445194_7434634962714507031_n.jpg?oh=e289fbacd5d0960d474fb2aa9d404d17&oe=56200CA8 Lance Cpl. Alex Rowan, a combat engineer with 4th Marine Division, runs to take cover before the Anti-Personnel Obstacle Breaching System detonates during the SAPPER Leaders Course aboard Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, June 26, 2015. During the course, the Marines used assault and breaching techniques to clear a wire obstacle using line charges that utilized C4 explosives and their APOBS. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Krista James/Released) Really been diggin these A4 training pics! |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 10:16:56 PM EDT
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A4 to kick the door.
 Marines with 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, the "Lava Dogs," stack up to breach a door with a donut charge during exercise Lava Viper aboard Pohakuloa Training Area, Hawaii, May 28, 2015. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Ricky S. Gomez/Released) |
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Posted: 7/8/2015 8:54:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
A4 to kick the door. https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11391510_10152734075175194_3033073478670159330_n.jpg?oh=9886c4057aed60cec3c0f583c2e2caab&oe=56163387 Marines with 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, the "Lava Dogs," stack up to breach a door with a donut charge during exercise Lava Viper aboard Pohakuloa Training Area, Hawaii, May 28, 2015. (U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Ricky S. Gomez/Released) Most miserable training area ever, hated that place |
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Posted: 7/9/2015 1:52:18 AM EDT
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Any update on availability of the factory FN A4 rifles? I've been trying to work through my LGS but they aren't able to find them anywhere yet.
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Posted: 7/9/2015 9:51:09 AM EDT
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Finally finished her!
JD machine upper JD machine EGA lower Colt removable carry handle BCM A2 stock kit PSA lower parts kit ALG trigger group KAC RAS PSA FN 1/7 govt profile 20" barrel assembly PSA unmarked FA BCG 
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Posted: 7/9/2015 9:38:01 PM EDT
[#38]
I saw these patches (I have one in multicam as well) and had to have them. It was only on the rifle for this picture, though.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 8:23:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 86HMMWV: I saw these patches (I have one in multicam as well) and had to have them. It was only on the rifle for this picture, though. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/dieselpowrguy85/9EDBAA79-72D3-4EC6-A2D7-FAFFD2129685-6648-000006D413D25487_zpswwtyofev.jpg Which pouch? |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 8:23:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedRaider0311: Finally finished her! JD machine upper JD machine EGA lower Colt removable carry handle BCM A2 stock kit PSA lower parts kit ALG trigger group KAC RAS PSA FN 1/7 govt profile 20" barrel assembly PSA unmarked FA BCG http://i.imgur.com/LsKY0UZl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BdACvvUl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lRcuGlrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/34tq0DCl.jpg Nicely done. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 1:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedRaider0311:
Finally finished her! JD machine upper JD machine EGA lower Colt removable carry handle BCM A2 stock kit PSA lower parts kit ALG trigger group KAC RAS PSA FN 1/7 govt profile 20" barrel assembly PSA unmarked FA BCG http://i.imgur.com/LsKY0UZl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BdACvvUl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lRcuGlrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/34tq0DCl.jpg Looks damn good. You gonna eventually snag a TA31RCO-A4 for it? |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:57:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Looks damn good. You gonna eventually snag a TA31RCO-A4 for it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By RedRaider0311:
Finally finished her! JD machine upper JD machine EGA lower Colt removable carry handle BCM A2 stock kit PSA lower parts kit ALG trigger group KAC RAS PSA FN 1/7 govt profile 20" barrel assembly PSA unmarked FA BCG http://i.imgur.com/LsKY0UZl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BdACvvUl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lRcuGlrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/34tq0DCl.jpg Looks damn good. You gonna eventually snag a TA31RCO-A4 for it? Thanks y'all. I will down the road. I don't have time to save up for an RCO before I ship to OCS, and I'll get my fair share of RCO usage after that point, so maybe a few years from now. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedRaider0311:
Thanks y'all. I will down the road. I don't have time to save up for an RCO before I ship to OCS, and I'll get my fair share of RCO usage after that point, so maybe a few years from now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedRaider0311:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By RedRaider0311:
Finally finished her! JD machine upper JD machine EGA lower Colt removable carry handle BCM A2 stock kit PSA lower parts kit ALG trigger group KAC RAS PSA FN 1/7 govt profile 20" barrel assembly PSA unmarked FA BCG http://i.imgur.com/LsKY0UZl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/BdACvvUl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lRcuGlrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/34tq0DCl.jpg Looks damn good. You gonna eventually snag a TA31RCO-A4 for it? Thanks y'all. I will down the road. I don't have time to save up for an RCO before I ship to OCS, and I'll get my fair share of RCO usage after that point, so maybe a few years from now. At TBS not so much at OCS |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 6:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
Which pouch? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot:
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
I saw these patches (I have one in multicam as well) and had to have them. It was only on the rifle for this picture, though. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/dieselpowrguy85/9EDBAA79-72D3-4EC6-A2D7-FAFFD2129685-6648-000006D413D25487_zpswwtyofev.jpg Which pouch? Specter |
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Posted: 7/12/2015 11:17:32 AM EDT
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Some interesting A4 observations from recent training (Army):
I was issued (along with the rest of my training unit) a Colt M16A4 for training. Finish on all the parts was factory new as far as I could tell, and I am 99.99% sure it was new out of the box and previously unissued - it had the round plastic handguards and carry handle, no M5 RAS or BUIS like most other "in the wild" A4s. Barrel dated 12/09, square UID label on the right side of the receiver. Roll mark was COLT DEFENSE. . The later training units that arrived after us were issued rebuilt Colt M16A4s. As I observed, these were older A4s which were rebuilt by Anniston. Colt lowers were rollmarked COLTS MFG CO INC instead of the newer COLT DEFENSE. They had the rectangular UID sticker on the right side as well as the ANAD 09 - 12 stamping. Uppers I observed closely were FN replacements (F marked), but the barrels were Colt. These rifles were all equipped with the M5 RAS and Matech BUIS. Also saw some M16A2s in use but did not get to handle any or otherwise look at them closely. |
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Posted: 7/13/2015 1:56:37 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing too many pics of painted rifles "in the wild". For those that have BTDT, is this an accurate observation, or are we starting to see more and more painted rifles (A4s specifically) now? I've looked through the last 20+ pages, but have only seen a handful of images with a good rattle can job going. Every other rifle seems to be native black.
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Posted: 7/13/2015 3:07:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Some interesting A4 observations from recent training (Army): I was issued (along with the rest of my training unit) a Colt M16A4 for training. Finish on all the parts was factory new as far as I could tell, and I am 99.99% sure it was new out of the box and previously unissued - it had the round plastic handguards and carry handle, no M5 RAS or BUIS like most other "in the wild" A4s. Barrel dated 12/09, square UID label on the right side of the receiver. Roll mark was COLT DEFENSE. . The later training units that arrived after us were issued rebuilt Colt M16A4s. As I observed, these were older A4s which were rebuilt by Anniston. Colt lowers were rollmarked COLTS MFG CO INC instead of the newer COLT DEFENSE. They had the rectangular UID sticker on the right side as well as the ANAD 09 - 12 stamping. Uppers I observed closely were FN replacements (F marked), but the barrels were Colt. These rifles were all equipped with the M5 RAS and Matech BUIS. Also saw some M16A2s in use but did not get to handle any or otherwise look at them closely. Thank you for sharing this. I was under the impression from everything I've read that Colt never made an A4 destined for the U.S. Military. Not necessarily the US GOV, but Military... Do you suspect since these were ANAD rebuilds, they likely were M16A1 lowers? Did Colt make M16A2's for the Military? Thanks |
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Posted: 7/13/2015 9:39:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Thank you for sharing this. I was under the impression from everything I've read that Colt never made an A4 destined for the U.S. Military. Not necessarily the US GOV, but Military... Do you suspect since these were ANAD rebuilds, they likely were M16A1 lowers? Did Colt make M16A2's for the Military? Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Some interesting A4 observations from recent training (Army): I was issued (along with the rest of my training unit) a Colt M16A4 for training. Finish on all the parts was factory new as far as I could tell, and I am 99.99% sure it was new out of the box and previously unissued - it had the round plastic handguards and carry handle, no M5 RAS or BUIS like most other "in the wild" A4s. Barrel dated 12/09, square UID label on the right side of the receiver. Roll mark was COLT DEFENSE. . The later training units that arrived after us were issued rebuilt Colt M16A4s. As I observed, these were older A4s which were rebuilt by Anniston. Colt lowers were rollmarked COLTS MFG CO INC instead of the newer COLT DEFENSE. They had the rectangular UID sticker on the right side as well as the ANAD 09 - 12 stamping. Uppers I observed closely were FN replacements (F marked), but the barrels were Colt. These rifles were all equipped with the M5 RAS and Matech BUIS. Also saw some M16A2s in use but did not get to handle any or otherwise look at them closely. Thank you for sharing this. I was under the impression from everything I've read that Colt never made an A4 destined for the U.S. Military. Not necessarily the US GOV, but Military... Do you suspect since these were ANAD rebuilds, they likely were M16A1 lowers? Did Colt make M16A2's for the Military? Thanks Colt and FN both made M16A2s. Not positive on the M16A3 (M16A2 with full auto instead of burst, only seen Seabees carry these). Never got a M16A4 issue to me so don't know. CD |
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Posted: 7/13/2015 10:05:07 AM EDT
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Yes. You can't put much additional weight under the RAS as compared to the standard A2 style hand guards. Dan Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279:
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Originally Posted By Lancelot:
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f5165edfa19bcf273643df7b3770f5690bca06dd/r=x404&c=534x401/http/cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/ed43d23f836e8638496a3d04092d466af92fa7c1/c=0-0-5107-3840/local/-/media/2015/07/01/GGM/MilitaryTimes/635713546719675685-Rifle-competition-Woolfolk-.JPG Gunnery Sgt. Amber Woods aims her rifle on June 30 during the 54th Inter-service Rifle Match held at Quantico, Va. The Marine Corps’ Weapons Training Battalion hosted the event from June 24 to July 1.(Photo: Daniel Woolfolk/Staff) Looks like they modified the KAC M-5 RAS to work around the float tube. I've one that looks just like it. Dan That RAS would be around 1lb right? Add that with the freefloat sleeve (made of steel?) and the front end of that A4 has some weight to it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes. You can't put much additional weight under the RAS as compared to the standard A2 style hand guards. Dan Does anyone have anymore info about putting a freefloat sleeve under an M5 RAS? This is the first time I've seen it done and now I'm curious. |
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Posted: 7/13/2015 12:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Thank you for sharing this. I was under the impression from everything I've read that Colt never made an A4 destined for the U.S. Military. Not necessarily the US GOV, but Military... Do you suspect since these were ANAD rebuilds, they likely were M16A1 lowers? Did Colt make M16A2's for the Military? Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
Some interesting A4 observations from recent training (Army): I was issued (along with the rest of my training unit) a Colt M16A4 for training. Finish on all the parts was factory new as far as I could tell, and I am 99.99% sure it was new out of the box and previously unissued - it had the round plastic handguards and carry handle, no M5 RAS or BUIS like most other "in the wild" A4s. Barrel dated 12/09, square UID label on the right side of the receiver. Roll mark was COLT DEFENSE. . The later training units that arrived after us were issued rebuilt Colt M16A4s. As I observed, these were older A4s which were rebuilt by Anniston. Colt lowers were rollmarked COLTS MFG CO INC instead of the newer COLT DEFENSE. They had the rectangular UID sticker on the right side as well as the ANAD 09 - 12 stamping. Uppers I observed closely were FN replacements (F marked), but the barrels were Colt. These rifles were all equipped with the M5 RAS and Matech BUIS. Also saw some M16A2s in use but did not get to handle any or otherwise look at them closely. Thank you for sharing this. I was under the impression from everything I've read that Colt never made an A4 destined for the U.S. Military. Not necessarily the US GOV, but Military... Do you suspect since these were ANAD rebuilds, they likely were M16A1 lowers? Did Colt make M16A2's for the Military? Thanks They were original M16A4 lowers, stamped M16A4, just rebuilt with new uppers (at least that's the only replaced external part I could positively ID). I should have taken a pic. We had an ANAD rebuilt 240 as well. As C_D already said, yes Colt made M16A2s for the military. The ones I saw I could make out the Colt rollmarks, I did not see any FN M16s, be it A2 or A4. |
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