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Posted: 2/8/2014 12:11:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2014 3:21:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kaneljo3000: I emailed Grabagun and attached their response confirming that the rails were KAC. Not sure if they can swap... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kaneljo3000: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By kaneljo3000: Originally Posted By DocBach: Yep that's a Troy not a kac MFs!!!!!! Any advice? Sell the Troys and drop some KACs in off the EE. I emailed Grabagun and attached their response confirming that the rails were KAC. Not sure if they can swap... Yeah honestly man, fuck the drop-in rails; FF is where you wanna be. |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 8:51:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lowonair:
So where can I find an fde elcan? Am I stuck with black? FDE In stock |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:02:13 AM EDT
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I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:46:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kaneljo3000:
<SNIP> Colt is kind of retarded to make a SOCOM without the genuine rails and a 14.5" barrel. As much as I like Colt...their marketing dept. is whacked. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:56:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmender03:
I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while. As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 10:43:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new_ak_fan:
As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new_ak_fan:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while. As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? Nope, but I find it hard to believe that they've ordered all they're going to use. It's possible, just seems impractical. |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 11:09:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmender03: Nope, but I find it hard to believe that they've ordered all they're going to use. It's possible, just seems impractical. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmender03: Originally Posted By new_ak_fan: Originally Posted By Tmender03: I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while. As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? Nope, but I find it hard to believe that they've ordered all they're going to use. It's possible, just seems impractical. I'd sure like to get my hands on a 7.62 SU-230a Socom overrun for my eventual Scar 17. Didn't you have one at one point Tmender? Or was that DocBach?
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 11:28:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tmender03]
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I have a 5.56 SU-230, not the SU-230A.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 11:37:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
I'd sure like to get my hands on a 7.62 SU-230a Socom overrun for my eventual Scar 17. Didn't you have one at one point Tmender? Or was that DocBach? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Originally Posted By new_ak_fan:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while. As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? Nope, but I find it hard to believe that they've ordered all they're going to use. It's possible, just seems impractical. I'd sure like to get my hands on a 7.62 SU-230a Socom overrun for my eventual Scar 17. Didn't you have one at one point Tmender? Or was that DocBach? I dont think there's any FDE 762 units on the civi end. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 11:42:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
I dont think there's any FDE 762 units on the civi end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Originally Posted By new_ak_fan:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while. As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? Nope, but I find it hard to believe that they've ordered all they're going to use. It's possible, just seems impractical. I'd sure like to get my hands on a 7.62 SU-230a Socom overrun for my eventual Scar 17. Didn't you have one at one point Tmender? Or was that DocBach? I dont think there's any FDE 762 units on the civi end. I think I've seen them before (Overruns like my SU-230), but it wasn't here. Snipershide IIRC. |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 11:55:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy: I dont think there's any FDE 762 units on the civi end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy: Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin: Originally Posted By Tmender03: Originally Posted By new_ak_fan: Originally Posted By Tmender03: I wonder if we'll see SU-230 overruns ever again. I got lucky three and a half years ago with mine, but haven't seen any in a while. As far as I know SOCOM hasn't contracted for anymore, have you heard anything? Nope, but I find it hard to believe that they've ordered all they're going to use. It's possible, just seems impractical. I'd sure like to get my hands on a 7.62 SU-230a Socom overrun for my eventual Scar 17. Didn't you have one at one point Tmender? Or was that DocBach? I dont think there's any FDE 762 units on the civi end. Yeah I know there are at least a couple that made it out. I could've sworn it was either Tmender or Doc that had one and sold it, so if it was you Tmender I think it was Doc. Needless to say I'm sure they command a hefty price, even by SU-230 standards.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 12:01:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin:
Yeah I know there are at least a couple that made it out. I could've sworn it was either Tmender or Doc that had one and sold it, so if it was you Tmender I think it was Doc. Needless to say I'm sure they command a hefty price, even by SU-230 standards. I think it might have been Doc. IIRC he had quite a some for sale few years back. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 2:28:17 PM EDT
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I know for a fact that some SU-230As made it out. I actually had a chance to buy one NIB but went with the SU-230 instead. Now that I have a 17S CQC I wish I would have just gotten both.
In M4A1 Block II news, I scored a M4A1 RIS II and will be putting my spare RO921HB barrel to use. I scored a Badger Ordnance Mk12 gas block, too. Unlike the DD, the BO gas block has stainless set screws instead of the finished black ones from DD. It does say "NAVSPEC" on the packaging, though. Here are a couple of pics (excuse the dog hair ):
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Posted: 2/8/2014 3:12:25 PM EDT
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I had a 7.62 marked gen 2 overrun but it had a 556 reticule. I know kerif had an actual su230a that someone in this thread got. I do have a gen 3 su230a but it's not the hd version.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 3:18:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocBach: I had a 7.62 marked gen 2 overrun but it had a 556 reticule. I know kerif had an actual su230a that someone in this thread got. I do have a gen 3 su230a but it's not the hd version. Yeah your Gen 2 is the one I'm thinking of. Very cool. So you do still have one, it's just not the new HD version?
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Posted: 2/8/2014 3:27:45 PM EDT
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Yeah
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Posted: 2/8/2014 3:29:42 PM EDT
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I finally scored a SCAR 17 in FDE - would love to find a 7.62 FDE Elcan now...
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Posted: 2/8/2014 3:56:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FloridaMan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: I finally scored a SCAR 17 in FDE - would love to find a 7.62 FDE Elcan now... The fde civi's are available in 1-4x and 1.5-6x. Good luck finding a .mil one like Doc has. |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 4:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin: The fde civi's are available in 1-4x and 1.5-6x. Good luck finding a .mil one like Doc has. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenSwamperin: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I finally scored a SCAR 17 in FDE - would love to find a 7.62 FDE Elcan now... The fde civi's are available in 1-4x and 1.5-6x. Good luck finding a .mil one like Doc has. When did they make FDEs in 1.5-6x? I thought they only did that (FDE) for the 1-4 models? |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 4:19:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coctailer]
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Edited because my brain isn't working right.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 4:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I finally scored a SCAR 17 in FDE - would love to find a 7.62 FDE Elcan now... There is a 1-4 on ebay |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 4:27:35 PM EDT
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Also weapon outfitters has the FDE elcans in stock
http://www.weaponoutfitters.com/elcan-spectre-556-fde.html |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 5:39:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By GreenSwamperin: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I finally scored a SCAR 17 in FDE - would love to find a 7.62 FDE Elcan now... The fde civi's are available in 1-4x and 1.5-6x. Good luck finding a .mil one like Doc has. When did they make FDEs in 1.5-6x? I thought they only did that (FDE) for the 1-4 models? Now that you ask, I'm not sure where I saw that. Maybe I'm wrong on it having been a 7.62 model, but I know I saw a 1.5-6x in FDE for sale somewhere.
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 6:45:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmcflex]
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Since this is a M4A1 Block II thread and not a Mk17 thread....
Anyone else notice that the new RIS IIs have blackened screws? Tried to get an ipad pic. 
ETA: congrats on the 17S FDE, btw. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 7:25:18 PM EDT
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Mine has blackened screws, and it's an older hole filled bottom rail too.
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USA
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
Since this is a M4A1 Block II thread and not a Mk17 thread.... Anyone else notice that the new RIS IIs have blackened screws? Tried to get an ipad pic. http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/98fe0329cd2d256789a0d5f7f0bc89ff_zps37d8589e.jpg ETA: congrats on the 17S FDE, btw. Yeah mine's that way. Did it used to be different? |
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:26:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmcflex]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drb022:
Yeah mine's that way. Did it used to be different? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drb022:
Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Since this is a M4A1 Block II thread and not a Mk17 thread.... Anyone else notice that the new RIS IIs have blackened screws? Tried to get an ipad pic. http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/98fe0329cd2d256789a0d5f7f0bc89ff_zps37d8589e.jpg ETA: congrats on the 17S FDE, btw. Yeah mine's that way. Did it used to be different? It's new to me. The set I had prior were the newer solid-front design but had "shiny" screws instead of the darkened ones; same with my "Mk18" RIS II. This was the first I have seen of it. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 12:17:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
Since this is a M4A1 Block II thread and not a Mk17 thread.... Anyone else notice that the new RIS IIs have blackened screws? Tried to get an ipad pic. http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/98fe0329cd2d256789a0d5f7f0bc89ff_zps37d8589e.jpg ETA: congrats on the 17S FDE, btw. Yeah mine are black as well...my rifle has a manufacture date of 7/2013 |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 12:39:00 AM EDT
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For those with a G33, there is a Wilcox mount for the G33, Aimpoint 3x, Pvs-14, etc. in the EE for $65. It doesn't come with the dovetail attachment for the magnifier, but I bet the guys at TNVC could help with that. The mounts normally run about $450-$500. That's with the dovetail though.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_25/1276008_LMT__Matech__Wilcox.html
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2014 2:47:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Roadblock]
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I sent that guy a pm saying I wanted the Wilcox mount BUT after doing some research I'm thinking that is the left handed Aimpoint mount. Trying to figure out if the dovetail pieces would be interchangeable now and IF that would be such a bad thing.
I almost like the idea of using my left hand to pull it to the left side. Wouldn't have to take my trigger hand off the grip or un-shoulder my rifle. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2014 12:21:15 PM EDT
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OK I'm stumped. I can't figure out what mount that is. I've got the part number but it simply doesn't come up anywhere.
Wilcox part number 55900603 is what I was given. I kinda wondered if the 6 might not be a G as that seems to be the format of other mounts but both 55900603 or 55900G03 don't bring up that mount. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 12:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roadblock: OK I'm stumped. I can't figure out what mount that is. I've got the part number but it simply doesn't come up anywhere. Wilcox part number 55900603 is what I was given. I kinda wondered if the 6 might not be a G as that seems to be the format of other mounts but both 55900603 or 55900G03 don't bring up that mount. The shoe is universal, although I'm not sure about it being a left handed model as it appears to be. They make different dovetails for different optics and they all interface with the mount he's selling. Flipping it to the left if you're right handed will block your left eye's field of view. You don't want to do that. You may be able to flip it around though and mount the dovetail backwards on the optic. I don't see why that wouldn't work as long as there's enough room behind the optic to clip the magnifier in from the front of the mount. It doesn't need a whole lot of room though because you kind of slide it in from the top and push down. Hard to explain, but I think it'd work.
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Posted: 2/9/2014 4:37:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2014 4:40:57 PM EDT
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what do most u guys like better ? the FDE or Black rail ? i guess in the field FDE is more common
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Posted: 2/9/2014 4:42:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
what do most u guys like better ? the FDE or Black rail ? i guess in the field FDE is more common I like the color of their "FDE". But I think I could stomach Kryloning a black rail a lot easier
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Posted: 2/9/2014 4:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
what do most u guys like better ? the FDE or Black rail ? i guess in the field FDE is more common Well since it's a clone thread we give people shit for not having an FDE thread. The only way for us to accept them is if they spray paint the black rail
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Posted: 2/9/2014 5:29:57 PM EDT
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i seen Black rails in the field though....
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Posted: 2/9/2014 5:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1: i seen Black rails in the field though.... Where? Pics?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2014 6:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
Since this is a M4A1 Block II thread and not a Mk17 thread.... Anyone else notice that the new RIS IIs have blackened screws? Tried to get an ipad pic. http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/98fe0329cd2d256789a0d5f7f0bc89ff_zps37d8589e.jpg ETA: congrats on the 17S FDE, btw. Yes I picked up the Mk18 rails and the screws were black and the FDE is a bit darker than my Block II rails. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:12:25 PM EDT
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Elcan is gone.
Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy:  |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:16:27 PM EDT
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I've been thinking about picking up one of those as well. My Block II has been without an optic for too long.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: http://beetlebuys.com/gimages/8/TRTA01-ECOS_2.jpg Curious, Why did you sell the Elcan? I saw it for sale and strongly considered buying it but when I went back it was sold. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: http://beetlebuys.com/gimages/8/TRTA01-ECOS_2.jpg You're dumb, I wish I had two Elcans. JK and the ACOG is sweet. I kinda want to put one on my PR. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:37:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: Bitch is shit-hot but WHY is it so much more than other ACOGs? Because it's FDE? |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:42:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Highlande2: Curious, Why did you sell the Elcan? I saw it for sale and strongly considered buying it but when I went back it was sold. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Highlande2: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: http://beetlebuys.com/gimages/8/TRTA01-ECOS_2.jpg Curious, Why did you sell the Elcan? I saw it for sale and strongly considered buying it but when I went back it was sold. Just too much money tied up into one optic - I sold it to help fund my SCAR 17. Also, I like the TA01 reticle better than the Civilian Specter recticle - the TA01 has a more precise reticle without the ranging crap that takes up the lower left like the Specter reticle - it's too busy for a short to medium range carbine optic. The TA01 has the cross hair with the BDC marks - it doesn't have anything outside of that - I like that. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816: You're dumb, I wish I had two Elcans. JK and the ACOG is sweet. I kinda want to put one on my PR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: http://beetlebuys.com/gimages/8/TRTA01-ECOS_2.jpg You're dumb, I wish I had two Elcans. JK and the ACOG is sweet. I kinda want to put one on my PR. I'm not saying I won't ever own an Elcan again - just had a change of heart.
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Posted: 2/9/2014 8:46:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: Bitch is shit-hot but WHY is it so much more than other ACOGs? Because it's FDE? They can be found brand new for $1500 - just have to hunt around. I would never pay above that price for an ECOS. |
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Posted: 2/9/2014 9:23:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: What about the TA31 pushes you toward the TA01? I'm curious because I need to make an optic decision on my Block II, I was dead set on the Elcan but now I'm dead set on one of the ECOs. I just need to decide which.
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Posted: 2/9/2014 9:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4tty: Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4tty: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Elcan is gone. Need a replacement optic for my Block II - thinking about going back to the ECOS, only this time the TA01, instead of the TA31 I used to have. This guy: What about the TA31 pushes you toward the TA01? I'm curious because I need to make an optic decision on my Block II, I was dead set on the Elcan but now I'm dead set on one of the ECOs. I just need to decide which. I just found I didn't need the daytime illumination that the TA31 offers - besides (and yes, I know you can tape the fiber) the daytime illumination would distort the very center of the reticle making it difficult to be more precise at longer ranges. |
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