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Posted: 1/11/2017 2:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harles:
Needs PEQ15 and Bronze WMX 200 (if anyone wants to part ways with one let me know  ), def my favorite gun.https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/452/32099621382_e2b1f1d112_c.jpgFYI: instead of putting the link to your photo between URL tags, put it between IMG tags (or click on the icon two spaces to the left of the link image---the one showing a mountain scape). Sweet build! 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2017 4:31:16 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Barbarian315:
What light mount is that? https://amsmachine.net/product-list/light-mounts/ 
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Posted: 1/11/2017 6:14:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StevieJ309]
[#3]
Glitch
So somehow the glitch managed to get worse? I tried manually entering the next page into the address bar and it took me back to page 345 instead... |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 6:42:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Glitch So somehow the glitch managed to get worse? I tried manually entering the next page into the address bar and it took me back to page 345 instead... Same here :( CD |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2017 6:51:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter:
The FDA has jurisdiction because of vision safety and the fact that this power level laser seems to have first been developed for medical uses. If enough morons continue to light up aircraft with LOW power lasers, we're going to see the FAA get authority over them too. It comes down to a combination of idiots being idiots with devices that can hurt things and people, and "the public" becoming outraged by badly reported, overblown incidents these idiots perpetrate. It is just stupid to light up an aircraft, or the driver of a car on the road, or another person who isn't wearing proper protective eyewear. But it happens, and it scares people, and we wind up having things taken away from us because of a few stupid people doing stupid things. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2017 9:00:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
FYI: instead of putting the link to your photo between URL tags, put it between IMG tags (or click on the icon two spaces to the left of the link image---the one showing a mountain scape). Sweet build! Ah, got it. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 9:23:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1811]
[#7]
Kicking myself...
Had a fresh Eotech 553 Tan (non SU-231 marked) and sent it back to Eotech for the refund - needed the funds for a Colt M4A1 complete lower... Now I'm on the hunt... |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2017 9:59:10 PM EDT
[#8]
Could always get s black one and paint it
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Posted: 1/12/2017 9:50:41 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Glitch So somehow the glitch managed to get worse? Sure did, and not only on this thread. But considering staff's overwhelming effort to fix it on the old site, and all the NEW problems this gee-whiz new site that looks like total fucking ASS on a normal computer has generated, I'm sure we'll see a fix shortly! 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 10:39:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnySasaki20]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Sure did, and not only on this thread. But considering staff's overwhelming effort to fix it on the old site, and all the NEW problems this gee-whiz new site that looks like total fucking ASS on a normal computer has generated, I'm sure we'll see a fix shortly! Dude, if you think this is bad, you should have seen what Sniper's Hide did a few years back. I bitched so hard Frank banned me, lol. I have no regrets either. Shit was (and probably still is) absolutely horrible. Indescribably bad. I mean, I shit you not, he removed Bbcode entirely, and turned the whole site into a fantasy football/all major sports forum, and you actually had to search for the actual "Sniper's Hide" part of the website, and even then it was entirely different.
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Posted: 1/12/2017 11:10:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Dude, if you think this is bad, you should have seen what Sniper's Hide did a few years back. I bitched so hard Frank banned me, lol. I have no regrets either. Shit was (and probably still is) absolutely horrible. Indescribably bad. I mean, I shit you not, he removed Bbcode entirely, and turned the whole site into a fantasy football/all major sports forum, and you actually had to search for the actual "Sniper's Hide" part of the website, and even then it was entirely different. In fairness, *HE* didn't do that the company to which he sold the rights to SH did that. I left for exactly the same reason--plus they wanted access to my facebook and other social media profiles, phone number, physical address....what the fuck kind of internet forum needs all that? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 11:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
In fairness, *HE* didn't do that the company to which he sold the rights to SH did that. I left for exactly the same reason--plus they wanted access to my facebook and other social media profiles, phone number, physical address....what the fuck kind of internet forum needs all that? The kind of forum I don't want to be a member of. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 1:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
In fairness, *HE* didn't do that the company to which he sold the rights to SH did that. I left for exactly the same reason--plus they wanted access to my facebook and other social media profiles, phone number, physical address....what the fuck kind of internet forum needs all that? Well, in any case, the chode done ruined his site. He's at least partially to blame. It sucks too, because it was a good site, with good info, mostly good people, fairly tight knit, and then it's basically ruined overnight. 
Anyway, pic thread;  " />
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Posted: 1/12/2017 1:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Well, in any case, the chode done ruined his site. He's at least partially to blame. It sucks too, because it was a good site, with good info, mostly good people, fairly tight knit, and then it's basically ruined overnight.
Anyway, pic thread; <img src="" /> agreed on all points, especially the green one. 
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Posted: 1/13/2017 1:51:40 AM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 7:51:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Spush]
[#16]
Ah my RIS 2 FSP came in, on my way to build a clone myself for my first AR build. Pretty excited. Been wanting to do so after seeing pictures of one a year or so ago.
Now just need to procure the rest of the parts on my list.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 11:39:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spush:
Ah my RIS 2 FSP came in, on my way to build a clone myself for my first AR build. Pretty excited. Been wanting to do so after seeing pictures of one a year or so ago. Now just need to procure the rest of the parts on my list.
http://i.imgur.com/DF5Hkm0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/K6N75y8.jpg Best of luck trying to find the right parts. Can be a little pricey 
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Posted: 1/13/2017 11:52:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rloba:
Best of luck trying to find the right parts. Can be a little pricey Well he has a FSP rail in FDE, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably already knows that. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 12:05:32 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Well he has a FSP rail in FDE, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably already knows that. I saw a FSP FDE rail on the EE a few days ago for $400. Thought about buying it, but I figured I didn't want to be broke and have two unfinished clones 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 4:58:26 PM EDT
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Is it just me or is the kac taupe front sight the hardest part to buy? I have everything except that.
Even a Ris ii I don't mind- $400 but you're paying for a 4lb block or so of billet 6061 aluminum. Then a CNC has to make a billion passes on it, including those sweet scallop cuts. So I understand that. But $200 (half the price of a Ris ii) for a front sight? There's just no justifying it no matter how much I try to convince myself lol. KAC makes very good stuff. I love everything they make. But the prices are just made up from throwing a dart at a dart board, I swear. The cost has absolutely no relationship to the product. sigh.. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 5:29:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rloba]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeyTwoSites:
Is it just me or is the kac taupe front sight the hardest part to buy? I have everything except that. Even a Ris ii I don't mind- $400 but you're paying for a 4lb block or so of billet 6061 aluminum. Then a CNC has to make a billion passes on it, including those sweet scallop cuts. So I understand that. But $200 (half the price of a Ris ii) for a front sight? There's just no justifying it no matter how much I try to convince myself lol. KAC makes very good stuff. I love everything they make. But the prices are just made up from throwing a dart at a dart board, I swear. The cost has absolutely no relationship to the product. sigh.. Perfect example of smart marketing. KAC (and everyone else with .gov contracts) realizes that the civilian market wants WHATEVER the military has. That's why you pay $190 for a $20 hunk of metal. EDIT: It's also why I'm going to be paying $900 for a M4A1 lower next week 
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Posted: 1/13/2017 6:10:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rloba:
Perfect example of smart marketing. KAC (and everyone else with .gov contracts) realizes that the civilian market wants WHATEVER the military has. That's why you pay $190 for a $20 hunk of metal. EDIT: It's also why I'm going to be paying $900 for a M4A1 lower next week I don't think it's smart marketing. They could sell them for $120/each and keep supply up with demand and take in more cash than they are right now by releasing tiny batches at $180-190 a pop. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 9:29:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnySasaki20]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
I don't think it's smart marketing. They could sell them for $120/each and keep supply up with demand and take in more cash than they are right now by releasing tiny batches at $180-190 a pop. I saw a NT4 flash hider on the KAC website a few years back for like $550 or something crazy like that (I guess they still make it, so it's probably still on there). Anyway, there was another flash hider that did essentially the same thing (attaches NT4, hides flash, etc.) right next to it for about 180-200. Right underneath the $550 FH had a asterisk saying "it's $550 because that's what the government pays, and we aren't allowed to charge you a lower price", or something to that effect. The point is, I don't know if they're just bullshitting me to have an excuse to charge more, or if that's actually a real thing (kinda makes sense though). However, at the same time, it just shows you how much the government overpays for shit. I mean, think about it. If you had a part that one person was offering you $550 for and another person was offering you $200, you'd take the $550 every time, especially if this person is the US government, and is ordering metric-fuck-tons of them all the time. And this is odd, because I just responded to another comment in the CQBR thread saying something similar about the government overpaying for shit. Seems like a theme tonight.
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:07:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Speaking of KAC - just arrived
Taupe Time 
How often are these seen on Block 2's? |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:28:39 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
I saw a NT4 flash hider on the KAC website a few years back for like $550 or something crazy like that (I guess they still make it, so it's probably still on there). Anyway, there was another flash hider that did essentially the same thing (attaches NT4, hides flash, etc.) right next to it for about 180-200. Right underneath the $550 FH had a asterisk saying "it's $550 because that's what the government pays, and we aren't allowed to charge you a lower price", or something to that effect. The point is, I don't know if they're just bullshitting me to have an excuse to charge more, or if that's actually a real thing (kinda makes sense though). However, at the same time, it just shows you how much the government overpays for shit. I mean, think about it. If you had a part that one person was offering you $550 for and another person was offering you $200, you'd take the $550 every time, especially if this person is the US government, and is ordering metric-fuck-tons of them all the time. And this is odd, because I just responded to another comment in the CQBR thread saying something similar about the government overpaying for shit. Seems like a theme tonight. 1005-01-460-3249 $83.56 Flash Hinder, QDSS (KAC) CD |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 11:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1811:
Speaking of KAC - just arrived Taupe Time http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt332/1811-photos/34B617C0-2EF3-4BC8-9D8C-7ED9EB881822_zpssreomzae.jpg How often are these seen on Block 2's? Never |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2017 3:54:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnySasaki20]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
1005-01-460-3249 $83.56 Flash Hinder, QDSS (KAC) CD It's not the normal one. I forget what it's called, and I don't see it on their site anymore, but it looked similar to their "Triple tap flash suppressor/compensatetor", only mixed with the normal NT4 flash hider. |
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Posted: 1/14/2017 11:29:34 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
It's not the normal one. I forget what it's called, and I don't see it on their site anymore, but it looked similar to their "Triple tap flash suppressor/compensatetor", only mixed with the normal NT4 flash hider. Yep, it's the Triple Tap |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2017 2:16:02 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Will816:
I don't think it's smart marketing. They could sell them for $120/each and keep supply up with demand and take in more cash than they are right now by releasing tiny batches at $180-190 a pop. Agreed |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2017 2:20:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
It's not the normal one. I forget what it's called, and I don't see it on their site anymore, but it looked similar to their "Triple tap flash suppressor/compensatetor", only mixed with the normal NT4 flash hider. Yeah the triple tap is different. It was made of inconel which is allegedly extremely expensive.. and the manufacturing process was supposed to be very difficult. Still, outrageous price. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2017 2:21:38 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
1005-01-460-3249 $83.56 Flash Hinder, QDSS (KAC) CD Hey CD, Any chance you could search the price on the kac taupe front sight I referenced? Just curious. Not sure on the NSN but I can look it up. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2017 2:23:10 AM EDT
[#32]
KAC P/N: 99051-T NSN: 1005-01-473-1410
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Posted: 1/15/2017 8:42:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeyTwoSites:
KAC P/N: 99051-T NSN: 1005-01-473-1410 1005-01-473-1410 $175.74 Front Sight, Folding KAC I've ordered the NSN and got black ones. Guess its whatever color is in the system. Posted most of the items here. Mk18 thread pg 847 CD |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 12:28:55 PM EDT
[#34]
This might sound like an odd request...but by chance would a fellow cloner have a spare black velcro strap to "tie" down the PEQ switch wires that they want to part with? Or an outlet where I can buy one? Thanks for any assistance fellas.
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Posted: 1/15/2017 3:16:23 PM EDT
[#35]
Are there Black M4A1 rails around ?
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2017 4:35:36 PM EDT
[#36]
When I was looking for my FDE RIS II FSP there was an abundance of black models in the EE and even a few new online. Considerably less money than the FDE version IIRC.
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Posted: 1/15/2017 6:47:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1811:
Speaking of KAC - just arrived Taupe Time http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt332/1811-photos/34B617C0-2EF3-4BC8-9D8C-7ED9EB881822_zpssreomzae.jpg How often are these seen on Block 2's? let me hold that vfg for you. |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 7:03:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
Are there Black M4A1 rails around ? I think there was one in the EE very recently. |
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Posted: 1/15/2017 7:33:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Small items like the KAC front site are way harder to fixture and machine then something like a rail extrusion. That's one reason for the cost. Rails cost minimal to machine due to it being way close to final form from the extrusion die.
The triple tap is done mostly with an EDM...and they are sloow ( compared to regular 2-3-4 axis machining) |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:52:55 AM EDT
[#40]
I would be very curious to see if another company like DD or geissele could reproduce the exact front sight and see what their cost is. Because KAC is already notorious for astronomical prices.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2017 10:56:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mad4wd:
Small items like the KAC front site are way harder to fixture and machine then something like a rail extrusion. That's one reason for the cost. Rails cost minimal to machine due to it being way close to final form from the extrusion die. The triple tap is done mostly with an EDM...and they are sloow ( compared to regular 2-3-4 axis machining) That's a good point, but that sight isn't that complicated, and with a govt contract wouldn't any sensible company make overruns to avoid re-tooling? They released small batches for years. I suspect they aren't doing small runs but rather releasing small quantities to keep demand/price where it's at. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/16/2017 11:04:55 AM EDT
[#42]
IMO it boils down to this- the US government is stupid. They pay stupid prices all the time. They could have paid half that price by either choosing a different sight that is equally capable, or having companies bid on an existing govt owned design. But KAC has a relationship with them and knows how to win those contracts.
A very small percentage of the civilian market will pay a premium to have a clone, but 99% of the market is not buying it. KAC just simply doesn't care, they care about govt contracts- where the money is, and where prices don't reflect reality or competition lol. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:47:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stoner25mkiv]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
Are there Black M4A1 rails around ? "Do you mean on issued carbines?...... or just around? If you mean "just around", then yes. One of these days I am going to get around to Tig'ing up some holes on the cut-down M4a1 rail and machining it to a "correct" MK18 FSP rail.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 6:26:33 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeyTwoSites:
I would be very curious to see if another company like DD or geissele could reproduce the exact front sight and see what their cost is. Because KAC is already notorious for astronomical prices. That sight is complicated for multiple reasons. I owned a few CNC machines at one time and that sight and all its parts are way more intricate than what you think. Every surface needs machined, on all the parts. This is why the push towards certain type of forgings / castings and MIM parts (or 3D metal printers)...they reduce cycle time. The fixtures and flipping of the parts require downtime on the machines, even with multi pallet horizontals. I have never seen a part that I feel I could not "R-n-D" (Rip off and Duplicate) here if money was not an object. Its really easy to copy things honestly...I have friends that still have shops that I could bring things like SF 4 prongs too and have them made, and honestly you would never tell the difference...at that point its an exact copy. Items get CMM'd, Spectro'd for material and coatings, then drawn in Solid Works, then machined...everything down to the laser markings and the logos can be duplicated. The problem is cost and quantity...more you make the cheaper they are. I am sure someone could make the KAC front sight cheaper, but how much cheaper is the question? Food for thought. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2017 12:12:27 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mad4wd:
That sight is complicated for multiple reasons. I owned a few CNC machines at one time and that sight and all its parts are way more intricate than what you think. Every surface needs machined, on all the parts. This is why the push towards certain type of forgings / castings and MIM parts (or 3D metal printers)...they reduce cycle time. The fixtures and flipping of the parts require downtime on the machines, even with multi pallet horizontals. I have never seen a part that I feel I could not "R-n-D" (Rip off and Duplicate) here if money was not an object. Its really easy to copy things honestly...I have friends that still have shops that I could bring things like SF 4 prongs too and have them made, and honestly you would never tell the difference...at that point its an exact copy. Items get CMM'd, Spectro'd for material and coatings, then drawn in Solid Works, then machined...everything down to the laser markings and the logos can be duplicated. The problem is cost and quantity...more you make the cheaper they are. I am sure someone could make the KAC front sight cheaper, but how much cheaper is the question? Food for thought. I hear ya.. But given KAC's track record.. i bet it's like an LMT / B5 situation. Those stocks can be sold for $100, but LMT sold them for $200. If they couldn't make them for less, apparently someone else could. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2017 12:13:40 AM EDT
[#46]
I'd also be willing to bet kac has 5 axis milling machines.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2017 5:07:48 PM EDT
[#47]
M4A1 clone is all Colt. Excuse the AAC, suppressor is en route.
(DD upper posted in EE) 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2017 5:50:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATravis11b:
M4A1 clone is all Colt. Excuse the AAC, suppressor is en route. (DD upper posted in EE) All the KAC 99051s 
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Posted: 1/21/2017 10:27:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Some in the wild Block II photos---
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:43:59 AM EDT
[#50]
That first pic is JSOC and its a KAC rail.
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