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Posted: 12/18/2017 3:08:52 PM EDT
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Awesome! Thanks CD! Do you have any recommendations on sub contractors? Everything I'm seeing is still $60+ for the mk12 gas block.
Also, how common is the shaved down fsb on the modern Socom barreled guns? Is it like 20% still have them, or is it pretty rare to see newly converted guns get a shaved fsb? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: I get mine from subcontractors, not always DD. Since its inside the RIS II no one will see it. Just get a gas block that fits or shave your FSB down. Real Block IIs being assembled. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0595_M4A1_RIS_II.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0608_attaching_DD_rail.jpg Don't rebuild many right now as have a job box full of assembled and serial numbered 10.3" and 14.5" uppers from Crane. CD |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:30:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: henryfrank]
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Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause".
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2017 4:32:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: henryfrank]
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Are they starting to issue warcomps yet?
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Posted: 12/18/2017 5:23:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By henryfrank:
Awesome! Thanks CD! Do you have any recommendations on sub contractors? Everything I'm seeing is still $60+ for the mk12 gas block. Also, how common is the shaved down fsb on the modern Socom barreled guns? Is it like 20% still have them, or is it pretty rare to see newly converted guns get a shaved fsb? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By henryfrank:
Awesome! Thanks CD! Do you have any recommendations on sub contractors? Everything I'm seeing is still $60+ for the mk12 gas block. Also, how common is the shaved down fsb on the modern Socom barreled guns? Is it like 20% still have them, or is it pretty rare to see newly converted guns get a shaved fsb? Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: I get mine from subcontractors, not always DD. Since its inside the RIS II no one will see it. Just get a gas block that fits or shave your FSB down. Real Block IIs being assembled. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0595_M4A1_RIS_II.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0608_attaching_DD_rail.jpg Don't rebuild many right now as have a job box full of assembled and serial numbered 10.3" and 14.5" uppers from Crane. CD Also, none are shaved down on SOCOM guns as far as I'm aware. Its always been either the Mk12 gas block under a continuous RIS II, or the standard unshaved FSB with the RIS II FSP. Pretty sure he was speaking on doing it from a convenience for you standpoint. Not to mention a shaved down/taper pinned FSB would be the most robust option by far |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 6:09:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By henryfrank:
Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause". |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 6:27:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
The removal of the lightening holes were done to strengthen the rail after there were instances of bending it with bipod use. The screws probably changed color because of a different vendor. The M203 leaf sight mounting screw hole was changed after I brought it to Daniel Defense's attention that it was the wrong thread pitch. The cutout on the inside probably removed more material to reduce weight. I don't know why the color is darker now than it used to be, maybe because a different place or person is anodizing them. I don't know why the hole in the end was enlarged. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By henryfrank:
Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause". Anyways I figured this was the reason. And I think its an upgrade because of this either way. Cool on the leaf sight thing, I'm glad they listened. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 6:57:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Originally Posted By JJREA: Just to piggyback on what you're saying about not cleaning. If you don't clean a spot where there is oil, the paint takes a lot longer to set or might not.... I didn't clean my stocks the last time I painted them and where my face goes on it, it was tacky for a long time. It never really set. The oils from my face did that. And then eventually I put a piece of tape on that spot for a few days and pulled it off and the tacky paint came with it. So it never really adhered because of the oils. I have been just cleaning with a disinfectant wipe because they were handy in the kitchen. That seems to work the other times I painted my stocks. I had just forgot to last time and above were my results of forgetting. Awesome. Thanks, man.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 7:02:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By henryfrank:
Awesome! Thanks CD! Do you have any recommendations on sub contractors? Everything I'm seeing is still $60+ for the mk12 gas block. Also, how common is the shaved down fsb on the modern Socom barreled guns? Is it like 20% still have them, or is it pretty rare to see newly converted guns get a shaved fsb? Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You could go with the uberest mostest cortectest Badger Ordnance Mk12 gb. My personal fav. Also, none are shaved down on SOCOM guns as far as I'm aware. Its always been either the Mk12 gas block under a continuous RIS II, or the standard unshaved FSB with the RIS II FSP. Pretty sure he was speaking on doing it from a convenience for you standpoint. Not to mention a shaved down/taper pinned FSB would be the most robust option by far Originally Posted By pezboytate: The removal of the lightening holes were done to strengthen the rail after there were instances of bending it with bipod use. The screws probably changed color because of a different vendor. The M203 leaf sight mounting screw hole was changed after I brought it to Daniel Defense's attention that it was the wrong thread pitch. The cutout on the inside probably removed more material to reduce weight. I don't know why the color is darker now than it used to be, maybe because a different place or person is anodizing them. I don't know why the hole in the end was enlarged. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 7:06:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I think it was done because of their slow mo free float barrel whip research/videos. As you know, no RIS II indexes concentrically to the barrel. (I always assumed from the bolt-up plate) even when star pattern torqued every which way. I've had some get close enough to rightfully worry about barrel whip contacting the rail, which would kill me inside lol. Anyways I figured this was the reason. And I think its an upgrade because of this either way. Cool on the leaf sight thing, I'm glad they listened. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By henryfrank:
Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause". Anyways I figured this was the reason. And I think its an upgrade because of this either way. Cool on the leaf sight thing, I'm glad they listened. I'm guessing they opened it up to save some weight at the end of the rail after having to do away with the lightening holes at the end of the bottom rail. Same with the lengthened cut on the inside of the top rail, additional weight savings. After removing the lightening holes they added these two measures to bring the weight back into line with where it was with the holes. Just my guess... |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 7:15:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
You really think the face of the rail was opened up because of barrel whip? Possible, I guess. I've seen slow-mo videos of free-floated AR's exhibiting some whip, but I'm not sure it's enough to contact the rail, even on the older ones with the smaller inside diameter. I'm guessing they opened it up to save some weight at the end of the rail after having to do away with the lightening holes at the end of the bottom rail. Same with the lengthened cut on the inside of the top rail, additional weight savings. After removing the lightening holes they added these two measures to bring the weight back into line with where it was with the holes. Just my guess... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By henryfrank:
Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause". Anyways I figured this was the reason. And I think its an upgrade because of this either way. Cool on the leaf sight thing, I'm glad they listened. I'm guessing they opened it up to save some weight at the end of the rail after having to do away with the lightening holes at the end of the bottom rail. Same with the lengthened cut on the inside of the top rail, additional weight savings. After removing the lightening holes they added these two measures to bring the weight back into line with where it was with the holes. Just my guess... Even if it was for weight savings, I still see it as a pro for barrel whip regardless. Its pretty amazing to watch how far these things flex on the slow mo cam |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 7:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That is a possibility of course, as it was excess material. But I do know DD made a big deal of their slow mo barrel whip research videos, so between that, my repeating possible issue, and the opening up of the front end that's how it linked up in my head. Even if it was for weight savings, I still see it as a pro for barrel whip regardless. Its pretty amazing to watch how far these things flex on the slow mo cam Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By henryfrank:
Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause". Anyways I figured this was the reason. And I think its an upgrade because of this either way. Cool on the leaf sight thing, I'm glad they listened. I'm guessing they opened it up to save some weight at the end of the rail after having to do away with the lightening holes at the end of the bottom rail. Same with the lengthened cut on the inside of the top rail, additional weight savings. After removing the lightening holes they added these two measures to bring the weight back into line with where it was with the holes. Just my guess... Even if it was for weight savings, I still see it as a pro for barrel whip regardless. Its pretty amazing to watch how far these things flex on the slow mo cam I wouldn't guess it was for weight since it is such a small difference. Maybe it was more clearance for barrel whip, but it was changed years after the DD slow motion video was released. Maybe it was for clearance with muzzle devices, suppressors, etc.. Maybe it was changed for production reasons. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 7:56:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
One thing to note is that the lightening holes were removed in 2012 or 2013 yet the hole in the front wasn't enlarged until 2015 or 2016. I wouldn't guess it was for weight since it is such a small difference. Maybe it was more clearance for barrel whip, but it was changed years after the DD slow motion video was released. Maybe it was for clearance with muzzle devices, suppressors, etc.. Maybe it was changed for production reasons. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By henryfrank:
Is there a post going through the reasons why the RIS II has been changed and why it's gotten darker? Would really love to know even if the answer is "just cause". Anyways I figured this was the reason. And I think its an upgrade because of this either way. Cool on the leaf sight thing, I'm glad they listened. I'm guessing they opened it up to save some weight at the end of the rail after having to do away with the lightening holes at the end of the bottom rail. Same with the lengthened cut on the inside of the top rail, additional weight savings. After removing the lightening holes they added these two measures to bring the weight back into line with where it was with the holes. Just my guess... Even if it was for weight savings, I still see it as a pro for barrel whip regardless. Its pretty amazing to watch how far these things flex on the slow mo cam I wouldn't guess it was for weight since it is such a small difference. Maybe it was more clearance for barrel whip, but it was changed years after the DD slow motion video was released. Maybe it was for clearance with muzzle devices, suppressors, etc.. Maybe it was changed for production reasons. Possibly for cans who's latch protrudes further aft, the flaming pig comes to mind, but I think I've seen maybe 1 or 2 on a gov rifle, so I wouldn't think they'd do it just for that one. Production reasons is also a huge possibility. New jig change possibly. I should hit up Caroline B and see if she can find out for us 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:42:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: That is a possibility of course, as it was excess material. But I do know DD made a big deal of their slow mo barrel whip research videos, so between that, my repeating possible issue, and the opening up of the front end that's how it linked up in my head. Even if it was for weight savings, I still see it as a pro for barrel whip regardless. Its pretty amazing to watch how far these things flex on the slow mo cam Originally Posted By pezboytate: One thing to note is that the lightening holes were removed in 2012 or 2013 yet the hole in the front wasn't enlarged until 2015 or 2016. I wouldn't guess it was for weight since it is such a small difference. Maybe it was more clearance for barrel whip, but it was changed years after the DD slow motion video was released. Maybe it was for clearance with muzzle devices, suppressors, etc.. Maybe it was changed for production reasons. 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:48:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: These make even more sense than the barrel whip thing. Never even crossed my mind. Lol Possibly for cans who's latch protrudes further aft, the flaming pig comes to mind, but I think I've seen maybe 1 or 2 on a gov rifle, so I wouldn't think they'd do it just for that one. Production reasons is also a huge possibility. New jig change possibly. I should hit up Caroline B and see if she can find out for us I needed some replacement RIS II screws and plastic washers, which he was cool enough to send out free of charge the next day. I was hoping for the old grey colored screws, but I wasn't so lucky. Maybe if I would have specifically asked for them, but beggars can't be choosers. They're probably long gone by now, anyway. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:16:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:51:36 PM EDT
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How did that SF warden sneak in there
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanCheese:
How did that SF warden sneak in there |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 12:08:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz: Form 4 :( |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 12:25:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By henryfrank:
Awesome! Thanks CD! Do you have any recommendations on sub contractors? Everything I'm seeing is still $60+ for the mk12 gas block. Also, how common is the shaved down fsb on the modern Socom barreled guns? Is it like 20% still have them, or is it pretty rare to see newly converted guns get a shaved fsb? CD |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2017 11:25:27 AM EDT
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is the vtac 2 point padded sling clone correct for a sopmod block ii fsp?
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Posted: 12/19/2017 11:47:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Originally Posted By ankratz:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/20171218_190650-394870.JPG Nice tan SF collection. I love them.
Here's a question that you may or may not know the answer to off the top of your head. What's the best Cerakote color to match KAC's taupe? I've got some black KAC panels I wanna spray instead of spending $25+ each for new ones, plus they don't offer taupe in the size I'm looking for, so I'd have to buy long ones and cut them down/reprofile the ends. Just thought I might get lucky and find an easy answer since I don't currently have any taupe Knight's parts laying around to test against aside from a couple front sights that aren't the exact shade I'm after. Originally Posted By cranky1:
is the vtac 2 point padded sling clone correct for a sopmod block ii fsp? |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 12:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
@ankratz Nice tan SF collection. I love them.
Here's a question that you may or may not know the answer to off the top of your head. What's the best Cerakote color to match KAC's taupe? I've got some black KAC panels I wanna spray instead of spending $25+ each for new ones, plus they don't offer taupe in the size I'm looking for, so I'd have to buy long ones and cut them down/reprofile the ends. Just thought I might get lucky and find an easy answer since I don't currently have any taupe Knight's parts laying around to test against aside from a couple front sights that aren't the exact shade I'm after. Aren't slings one of those things that are user preference? I feel like I've seen a bunch of different slings in use. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/20171218_190650-394870.JPG Nice tan SF collection. I love them.
Here's a question that you may or may not know the answer to off the top of your head. What's the best Cerakote color to match KAC's taupe? I've got some black KAC panels I wanna spray instead of spending $25+ each for new ones, plus they don't offer taupe in the size I'm looking for, so I'd have to buy long ones and cut them down/reprofile the ends. Just thought I might get lucky and find an easy answer since I don't currently have any taupe Knight's parts laying around to test against aside from a couple front sights that aren't the exact shade I'm after. Originally Posted By cranky1:
is the vtac 2 point padded sling clone correct for a sopmod block ii fsp? |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 1:09:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Use Aervoe Field Drab. It's a dead nuts match for taupe. It's not Cerakote but the shit is very tough, a lot more than Krylon. It works best if you spray it on warm parts and let it dry under some heat. I've just pointed a space heater at it and the results were great. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/20171218_190650-394870.JPG Nice tan SF collection. I love them.
Here's a question that you may or may not know the answer to off the top of your head. What's the best Cerakote color to match KAC's taupe? I've got some black KAC panels I wanna spray instead of spending $25+ each for new ones, plus they don't offer taupe in the size I'm looking for, so I'd have to buy long ones and cut them down/reprofile the ends. Just thought I might get lucky and find an easy answer since I don't currently have any taupe Knight's parts laying around to test against aside from a couple front sights that aren't the exact shade I'm after. Originally Posted By cranky1:
is the vtac 2 point padded sling clone correct for a sopmod block ii fsp? Aervoe FD is a damn near perfect match. I've been working on an air cure recipe with intent to coat a whole bunch and sell them for more economical prices, and I just can't nail down the orange tone. That said, my Aervoe FD coated ones have been holding up great. Just make sure you give them a quick soak in acetone to clean the surface. Upon spraying several light coats and letting it dry fully, you can put them on a cookie sheet in the oven at 170 degrees for 15 minutes and it will help cure it even better. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 2:00:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Use Aervoe Field Drab. It's a dead nuts match for taupe. It's not Cerakote but the shit is very tough, a lot more than Krylon. It works best if you spray it on warm parts and let it dry under some heat. I've just pointed a space heater at it and the results were great. Originally Posted By ankratz: This ^^ Aervoe FD is a damn near perfect match. I've been working on an air cure recipe with intent to coat a whole bunch and sell them for more economical prices, and I just can't nail down the orange tone. That said, my Aervoe FD coated ones have been holding up great. Just make sure you give them a quick soak in acetone to clean the surface. Upon spraying several light coats and letting it dry fully, you can put them on a cookie sheet in the oven at 170 degrees for 15 minutes and it will help cure it even better. I'm aware of the Aervoe Field Drab, but I've never used any Aervoe paints so I just figured I'd coat them since I'm spraying three days a week already. And the orange tint is exactly what had me thinking it'd be a pain to color match. I'll order some now. Any tips on where to order from? ankratz, are the panels that are in your above pic factory taupe or painted? The ones in the flashlight pic. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 2:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: Sweet. Thanks, guys. I'm aware of the Aervoe Field Drab, but I've never used any Aervoe paints so I just figured I'd coat them since I'm spraying three days a week already. And the orange tint is exactly what had me thinking it'd be a pain to color match. I'll order some now. Any tips on where to order from? @ankratz, are the panels that are in your above pic factory taupe or painted? The ones in the flashlight pic. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 2:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
DSG was OOS the last time I checked for Field Drab, but they're usually a good resource. I ordered some last from Brownells. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: Sweet. Thanks, guys. I'm aware of the Aervoe Field Drab, but I've never used any Aervoe paints so I just figured I'd coat them since I'm spraying three days a week already. And the orange tint is exactly what had me thinking it'd be a pain to color match. I'll order some now. Any tips on where to order from? @ankratz, are the panels that are in your above pic factory taupe or painted? The ones in the flashlight pic. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 2:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: Cool, thanks. Grabbing a can from Brownell's now if DSG is out. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 2:54:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Looks like DSG restocked since I ordered last. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By 871JZ: Cool, thanks. Grabbing a can from Brownell's now if DSG is out. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 3:44:31 PM EDT
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@Combat_Diver
In your experience have you ever had to modify the inner diameter of a Mk12 gas block for proper fitment? I'm currently dealing with two separate Daniel Defense gas blocks that absolutely refuse to fit over two separate Colt 14.5 government barrels. In fact they're both currently stuck half-way and don't want to budge on or off. Never had this problem with the Badger gas block used previously. I'd really appreciate any installation tips or general advice you can share, thanks. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 3:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalmar:
@Combat_Diver In your experience have you ever had to modify the inner diameter of a Mk12 gas block for proper fitment? I'm currently dealing with two separate Daniel Defense gas blocks that absolutely refuse to fit over two separate Colt 14.5 government barrels. In fact they're both currently stuck half-way and don't want to budge on or off. Never had this problem with the Badger gas block used previously. I'd really appreciate any installation tips or general advice you can share, thanks. So with all of that being said, get them off and get the Badger Ordnance block. I don't think CD gets DD blocks BTW, some other govt contractor. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 3:55:15 PM EDT
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The Badger block I just used to build my CQBR was stupid tight. I had to heat it with a torch for about a minute before it would slide on.
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Posted: 12/19/2017 4:06:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalmar:
@Combat_Diver In your experience have you ever had to modify the inner diameter of a Mk12 gas block for proper fitment? I'm currently dealing with two separate Daniel Defense gas blocks that absolutely refuse to fit over two separate Colt 14.5 government barrels. In fact they're both currently stuck half-way and don't want to budge on or off. Never had this problem with the Badger gas block used previously. I'd really appreciate any installation tips or general advice you can share, thanks. CD |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 4:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: Yup. Got it coming. 
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Posted: 12/19/2017 7:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
Sweet. Thanks, guys. I'm aware of the Aervoe Field Drab, but I've never used any Aervoe paints so I just figured I'd coat them since I'm spraying three days a week already. And the orange tint is exactly what had me thinking it'd be a pain to color match. I'll order some now. Any tips on where to order from? ankratz, are the panels that are in your above pic factory taupe or painted? The ones in the flashlight pic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Use Aervoe Field Drab. It's a dead nuts match for taupe. It's not Cerakote but the shit is very tough, a lot more than Krylon. It works best if you spray it on warm parts and let it dry under some heat. I've just pointed a space heater at it and the results were great. Originally Posted By ankratz: This ^^ Aervoe FD is a damn near perfect match. I've been working on an air cure recipe with intent to coat a whole bunch and sell them for more economical prices, and I just can't nail down the orange tone. That said, my Aervoe FD coated ones have been holding up great. Just make sure you give them a quick soak in acetone to clean the surface. Upon spraying several light coats and letting it dry fully, you can put them on a cookie sheet in the oven at 170 degrees for 15 minutes and it will help cure it even better. I'm aware of the Aervoe Field Drab, but I've never used any Aervoe paints so I just figured I'd coat them since I'm spraying three days a week already. And the orange tint is exactly what had me thinking it'd be a pain to color match. I'll order some now. Any tips on where to order from? ankratz, are the panels that are in your above pic factory taupe or painted? The ones in the flashlight pic. These panels are factory taupe. In the pic, they look lighter, but I think that's just from the surface texture. In person, you can't tell a difference. It's been painted for close to 4 years now and I don't think I have a single spot where it's worn off. It's not a super high-use rifle though.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 7:43:51 PM EDT
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@871JZ those are factory taupe. I'll see if I can dig up an Aervoe one next to them for comparison. Go for it though, you won't be disappointed with the results.
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:08:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
The Badger block I just used to build my CQBR was stupid tight. I had to heat it with a torch for about a minute before it would slide on. Originally Posted By DontBuryMe: Good choice. Here's a comparison of a BCM grip I painted with Field Drab vs a KAC Taupe A2. https://imgur.com/QCwCLHG.jpg Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
These panels are factory taupe. In the pic, they look lighter, but I think that's just from the surface texture. In person, you can't tell a difference. It's been painted for close to 4 years now and I don't think I have a single spot where it's worn off. It's not a super high-use rifle though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/204916/7DDAEB34-958C-4F97-89AF-D75B66DA068A-31603-00002975F888E960-395449.JPG ETA: After looking at your pic again, I just noticed something. You're not afraid of installing trigger guard roll pins, are you?
Since we're on the topic of KAC panels, I decided I wanted to ditch the DD rail covers I've been using on the Block II. They were the fugly tan ones that come with the RIS II's. I wanted to swap them out for some KAC panels I had, but I only have 11 rib panels. The one 11 rib was the perfect length for use with my VFG and grip position on the 9:00 rail, but the second 11 rib was way too long to install on the 6:00 rail in front of the VFG, so I trimmed it down into a 6 rib panel. Now it fits perfectly from the face of the VFG to the end of the rail. Both panels lock in nicely, just as they should and are much better than the DD covers, IMO. Pic of the shortened, now 6 rib panel, next to the factory 11 rib: 
Pic of them installed: 
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:10:59 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
@871JZ those are factory taupe. I'll see if I can dig up an Aervoe one next to them for comparison. Go for it though, you won't be disappointed with the results. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:23:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
Beautiful dissipator and I appreciate the pic. Helps give me an idea of what to expect once the paint gets here. Also makes me miss my old BCM dissipator uppers. ETA: After looking at your pic again, I just noticed something. You're not afraid of installing trigger guard roll pins, are you?
I only did the trigger guards that way because it was the "thing" to do back then. I've never broken one, but I do like the ability to remove, it should I need it, without having to resort to hammer and punch. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:26:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Dissy's are my most favorite non-clone setup. I've currently got 3.
I only did the trigger guards that way because it was the "thing" to do back then. I've never broken one, but I do like the ability to remove, it should I need it, without having to resort to hammer and punch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
Beautiful dissipator and I appreciate the pic. Helps give me an idea of what to expect once the paint gets here. Also makes me miss my old BCM dissipator uppers. ETA: After looking at your pic again, I just noticed something. You're not afraid of installing trigger guard roll pins, are you?
I only did the trigger guards that way because it was the "thing" to do back then. I've never broken one, but I do like the ability to remove, it should I need it, without having to resort to hammer and punch. And I love dissipator's, too, particularly rifle gas versus the midlength versions. I've had a couple that I built from 20" BCM barrels, but I've since sold them both. Everytime I see one, I regret it. Probably why I purposely avoid the dissy thread we've got around here somewhere. 
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Posted: 12/19/2017 11:13:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#40]
I never knew DD offered an FDE Lite Rail? Was this actually an offering at some point, or was it a prototype sent out years ago for testing, maybe? These pics were taken from a post back in 2010.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/BAR_compared_to_Lite_Rail/282-191385/ 
It's tough to make out, but it does say AR15 Lite Rail 12.0, just like my old 12" Lite Rail II did. 
I guess they did. Here's a better pic I found on Google. Looks like these were available for a short period of time. I never knew this. 
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:27:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ankratz]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ:
I never knew DD offered an FDE Lite Rail? Was this actually an offering at some point, or was it a prototype sent out years ago for testing, maybe? These pics were taken from a post back in 2010. https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/BAR_compared_to_Lite_Rail/282-191385/ https://s10.postimg.org/50r1iyy3d/three-rails-compaired01.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/jl84d8nqx/Literail-_XTM-measure01.jpg It's tough to make out, but it does say AR15 Lite Rail 12.0, just like my old 12" Lite Rail II did. https://s10.postimg.org/lpsheex49/20171219_221238.png I guess they did. Here's a better pic I found on Google. Looks like these were available for a short period of time. I never knew this. https://s10.postimg.org/emklyzubd/2850349_03_daniel_defense_lite_rail_12_0_640.jpg I should have never sold it. It was definitely lighter, and more bronze then the RIS II rails which were a bronze/brown. (The new RIS II rails are "bleh" IMO. Dull, flat brown with no character to them)  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:37:00 AM EDT
[#42]
You have RIS II's ankles, LITE rails are the devil.
I do also miss the old RIS II FDE tho, used to be much more chocolatey, now its pretty dull. Still better than black tho I suppose |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:47:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
They were a production rail. That Armslist pic is actually my listing from back in the day :) I should have never sold it. It was definitely lighter, and more bronze then the RIS II rails which were a bronze/brown. (The new RIS II rails are "bleh" IMO. Dull, flat brown with no character to them) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/BCM001_zps6a48fcad-395701.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/001-395707.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/002-395708.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/004-395709.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/003-395710.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By 871JZ:
I never knew DD offered an FDE Lite Rail? Was this actually an offering at some point, or was it a prototype sent out years ago for testing, maybe? These pics were taken from a post back in 2010. https://www.ar15.com/forums/industry/BAR_compared_to_Lite_Rail/282-191385/ https://s10.postimg.org/50r1iyy3d/three-rails-compaired01.jpg https://s10.postimg.org/jl84d8nqx/Literail-_XTM-measure01.jpg It's tough to make out, but it does say AR15 Lite Rail 12.0, just like my old 12" Lite Rail II did. https://s10.postimg.org/lpsheex49/20171219_221238.png I guess they did. Here's a better pic I found on Google. Looks like these were available for a short period of time. I never knew this. https://s10.postimg.org/emklyzubd/2850349_03_daniel_defense_lite_rail_12_0_640.jpg I should have never sold it. It was definitely lighter, and more bronze then the RIS II rails which were a bronze/brown. (The new RIS II rails are "bleh" IMO. Dull, flat brown with no character to them) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/BCM001_zps6a48fcad-395701.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/001-395707.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/002-395708.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/004-395709.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/003-395710.JPG 
I liked everything about my old Lite Rail II, aside from its oval profile. It was taller than it was wide. For that, I definitely prefer the RIS II for it's more rounded profile. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 2:13:36 AM EDT
[#44]
Those FDE LITE rails became popular around the time Magpul launched the AFG and BCM started making their 14.5 middy. It was the new "Hotness". Haley used a BCM Middy with the FDE LITE rail and dude's were cloning it.
If anyone has a black 9 Lite rail for sale let me know. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 3:46:34 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311: Yes. There are photos of it in that config if you look around. What ever would have been adopted would have been set in stone(more or less) and the alternatives would keep evolving. That is why we have a URX 3, URX 3.1, and an URX 4.0 while the DD RIS II is mostly the same(except for the change to keep it from breaking). |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 8:48:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cranky1]
[#46]
sopmod block ll clone. 4 prong surefire flash hider,dd ris ii fde rail, colt 14.5 socom barrel, colt m4a1 marked lower, colt upper, colt bcg (with the white dot?), lmt sopmod stock, kac non usmc buis and eotech exps 3-0 red dot. pretty sure the ergo grip is not correct.
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Posted: 12/20/2017 9:12:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cranky1:
sopmod block ll clone. 4 prong surefire flash hider,dd ris ii fde rail, colt 14.5 socom barrel, colt m4a1 marked lower, colt upper, colt bcg (with the white dot?), lmt sopmod stock, kac non usmc buis and eotech exps 3-0 red dot. pretty sure the ergo grip is not correct. https://image.ibb.co/bFT7VR/colt_sopmod.jpg can someone help me with the damn photo |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 9:12:46 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz: They were a production rail. That Armslist pic is actually my listing from back in the day :) I should have never sold it. It was definitely lighter, and more bronze then the RIS II rails which were a bronze/brown. (The new RIS II rails are "bleh" IMO. Dull, flat brown with no character to them) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/BCM001_zps6a48fcad-395701.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/001-395707.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/002-395708.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/004-395709.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/232334/003-395710.JPG 
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Posted: 12/20/2017 11:27:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#49]
Originally Posted By MALICIOUS2551:
Those FDE LITE rails became popular around the time Magpul launched the AFG and BCM started making their 14.5 middy. It was the new "Hotness". Haley used a BCM Middy with the FDE LITE rail and dude's were cloning it. If anyone has a black 9 Lite rail for sale let me know. Originally Posted By cranky1:
sopmod block ll clone. 4 prong surefire flash hider,dd ris ii fde rail, colt 14.5 socom barrel, colt m4a1 marked lower, colt upper, colt bcg (with the white dot?), lmt sopmod stock, kac non usmc buis and eotech exps 3-0 red dot. pretty sure the ergo grip is not correct. https://image.ibb.co/bFT7VR/colt_sopmod.jpg can someone help me with the damn photo |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 2:08:43 PM EDT
[#50]
Pulled from a tampon thread in GD:
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