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Posted: 1/5/2018 11:33:24 PM EST
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 Attached File"Block III" Upper Receiver Group Improved URGI 14.5 DD mid length barrel MK16 rail from Geissele |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 2:48:24 AM EST
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Bump glitch.
Pic I found saved in my pic files. Don't remember if I got it here or on the web.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 2:52:50 AM EST
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Glitch bump, CD pic.
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Posted: 1/6/2018 3:46:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/35055/URGi-412288.JPG "Block III" Upper Receiver Group Improved URGI 14.5 DD mid length barrel MK16 rail from Geissele 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 3:47:30 AM EST
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Posted: 1/6/2018 8:28:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378:
But the pulled the page out of DD’s book and said rails will only be sold on complete uppers.. for close to a G. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/35055/URGi-412288.JPG "Block III" Upper Receiver Group Improved URGI 14.5 DD mid length barrel MK16 rail from Geissele 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 9:01:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/35055/URGi-412288.JPG "Block III" Upper Receiver Group Improved URGI 14.5 DD mid length barrel MK16 rail from Geissele |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 9:22:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Are we sure all of the parts are clone correct at this point? At least the muzzle device isn't. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 12:03:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper?
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Posted: 1/6/2018 12:29:43 PM EST
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Brownell's shows it with a pinned Warcomp and not a regular 3 prong.
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Posted: 1/6/2018 12:32:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378:
Oh i don't mind the parts but $1379 is a lot more than it would be to just build it... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper? 
And it appears to have the Warcomp instead of the 3-prong. 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 12:58:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Very true, but Geissele hasn’t ever really been cheap in the first place and you know you’re getting your money’s worth.
And it appears to have the Warcomp instead of the 3-prong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper?
And it appears to have the Warcomp instead of the 3-prong. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 1:20:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Interesting that it shows a Warcomp. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper?
And it appears to have the Warcomp instead of the 3-prong. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 1:24:09 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Interesting that it shows a Warcomp. 
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Posted: 1/6/2018 1:49:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Isn’t that replacing the 4-prong? (I don’t have a Surefire can, so I really don’t pay attention to their muzzle devices.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper?
And it appears to have the Warcomp instead of the 3-prong. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 2:39:05 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Isn’t that replacing the 4-prong? (I don’t have a Surefire can, so I really don’t pay attention to their muzzle devices.)  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 2:44:54 PM EST
[#17]
http://soldiersystems.net/2017/09/21/mdm-17-geissele-mk16-rail/
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Posted: 1/6/2018 3:06:42 PM EST
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Posted: 1/6/2018 5:19:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#19]
I could build the upper myself for much less. Hopefully, Geissele will eventually release the rails as a standalone item. If not, I'm sure some will pop up in the EE for retarded prices after guys buy the complete uppers and pull them apart.
ETA: Bill G said it's a midlength DD barrel, but didn't mention the profile. Anyone have any details? I'm assuming it's just a Gov't profile barrel, which would make these extremely easy to build yourself once you have the rail, as the rest of the parts are easily accessible, as long as there's nothing special about the barrel. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 5:26:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
That was the only part Geissele said that didn’t sound right, but 3 prongs have long been accepted. If the flash hider is a deal breaker, buy the stripped upper, then you’re only missing a USGI BCG and the low key ACH (if the low key version is the one that ships with the upper.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By pezboytate: Are we sure all of the parts are clone correct at this point? At least the muzzle device isn't. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 9:46:13 PM EST
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Ok guys my colt 14.5" barrel came in today. The fsb is rough, and I mean rough. I've never seen a finish like this one has. And it's not "f" marked. Also there's a nick in the barrel itself, its cosmetic but still. Is colt shipping these without F marked FSBs now? Would you keep this or send it back? Sorry if this shouldn't be asked here but you guys have been helpful so far in my block ii build and value your advice.
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Posted: 1/6/2018 10:35:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556:
Ok guys my colt 14.5" barrel came in today. The fsb is rough, and I mean rough. I've never seen a finish like this one has. And it's not "f" marked. Also there's a nick in the barrel itself, its cosmetic but still. Is colt shipping these without F marked FSBs now? Would you keep this or send it back? Sorry if this shouldn't be asked here but you guys have been helpful so far in my block ii build and value your advice. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155739/IMG_0185-413069.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155739/IMG_0186-413070.JPG |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 10:44:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: That looks like shit. Where did you get it from? |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 10:52:26 PM EST
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IMO the barrel nick is whatever, won't effect performance. But that FSB looks like 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag....
I would at least try to get it exchanged, not sure how they will react tho. Will this barrel be for an FSP build or continuous RIS II? |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 10:58:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
IMO the barrel nick is whatever, won't effect performance. But that FSB looks like 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag.... I would at least try to get it exchanged, not sure how they will react tho. Will this barrel be for an FSP build or continuous RIS II? |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 11:03:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556: FSP build. I agree the nick doesn't bother me that much. The FSB actually looks better in the picture than it does in person. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 11:05:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556:
FSP build. I agree the nick doesn't bother me that much. The FSB actually looks better in the picture than it does in person. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
IMO the barrel nick is whatever, won't effect performance. But that FSB looks like 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lb bag.... I would at least try to get it exchanged, not sure how they will react tho. Will this barrel be for an FSP build or continuous RIS II? |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 11:08:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: dog_dad]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
I don't know if that is issued or not, just that Geissele had a 3 prong in the one they showed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
Originally Posted By Conner378:
Originally Posted By McGoo:
So you want the new “Block III” upper, but not all the parts that come on the new “Block III” upper?
And it appears to have the Warcomp instead of the 3-prong. |
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Posted: 1/6/2018 11:24:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580: Did it come with a cage code on the barrel? |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 10:51:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: aaron580]
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So for you guys using an M4 profile barrel and either the surefire or kac can, is the POI shift that bad vs using a SOCOM barrel or marginal? I still have no idea which barrel to use or can, and I have both cans in jail
I almost want to switch it up a little and throw my kac can on my non fsb block 2, but golly with a SOCOM barrel that will be one heavy bitch. Though if I'm thinking right, the fsb build I have with a SOCOM barrel SHOULD be about the same with the surefire can on it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 10:53:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556: Yep, marked "13629 MP 556 NATO" with a date of 09/17. I was just told by the store to contact Colt directly. Guess I learned a lesson to listen when people say not to do business with certain retailers. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 12:15:42 PM EST
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It’s a battle rifle, not Malibu Barbie play set. If it doesn’t preclude proper functionality, why worry about it?
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Posted: 1/7/2018 12:41:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556: Yep, marked "13629 MP 556 NATO" with a date of 09/17. I was just told by the store to contact Colt directly. Guess I learned a lesson to listen when people say not to do business with certain retailers. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:08:59 PM EST
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You know it's bad when getting an M203 for your M4 collection starts to seem reasonable.
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:18:47 PM EST
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"Neutral Timed Warcomp"
The open tined Warcomps were designed for a right hand shooter. Does this mean there is a new Warcomp with "neutral timed" ports, or are they installing these with the comp ports facing up, evenly, meaning the index tab for the suppressor mount is no longer at 6 o'clock? |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:20:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DoubleTap556:
Ok guys my colt 14.5" barrel came in today. The fsb is rough, and I mean rough. I've never seen a finish like this one has. And it's not "f" marked. Also there's a nick in the barrel itself, its cosmetic but still. Is colt shipping these without F marked FSBs now? Would you keep this or send it back? Sorry if this shouldn't be asked here but you guys have been helpful so far in my block ii build and value your advice. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155739/IMG_0185-413069.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/155739/IMG_0186-413070.JPG Originally Posted By AmericanCheese:
It’s a battle rifle, not Malibu Barbie play set. If it doesn’t preclude proper functionality, why worry about it? Originally Posted By kwill:
You know it's bad when getting an M203 for your M4 collection starts to seem reasonable. https://i.imgur.com/3A8cuBS.jpg 
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:24:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tonyxcom:
"Neutral Timed Warcomp" The open tined Warcomps were designed for a right hand shooter. Does this mean there is a new Warcomp with "neutral timed" ports, or are they installing these with the comp ports facing up, evenly, meaning the index tab for the suppressor mount is no longer at 6 o'clock? The Warcomp can be timed however you want. If you want neutral timing, but also want the index lug to remain at 6:00, then look at the Closed Tine Warcomp. Just remember it isn't Block III/URGI correct. ETA: I don't know how they're timing them when the complete uppers are assembled, but I would assume neutral for right or left handed shooters. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Geissele sold these with 3 prongs installed instead of Warcomp's, just like they showed in the live stream. This way they wouldn't have to worry about how to time the devices before pinning and welding them. If they pin/weld Warcomps with the index lug at 6:00, lefties will bitch since it'll be set up for righties. If they time them neutral, righties will bitch because the index lug is off center. A 3 prong would eliminate this issue and work for all shooters. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:35:58 PM EST
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Understood, I have both the open and closed tine Warcomps myself.
I was just trying to determine if Surefire produced a new opened tined one that was neutral. We can see clearly here in the Brownells picture that the the index lug is off kilter. 
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:38:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tonyxcom:
Understood, I have both the open and closed tine Warcomps myself. I was just trying to determine if Surefire produced a new opened tined one that was neutral. We can see clearly here in the Brownells picture that the the index lug is off kilter. https://i.imgur.com/ba8wXb4.jpg I think they should either have different part numbers for uppers with devices timed either for righties, lefties, or neutral, or just offer an option to buy the upper without it pinned, then let the buyer time it and, if they need to, pin/weld it. Seems they should offer one that isn't pinned, anyway, for guys with SBR lowers. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:46:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tonyxcom:
Understood, I have both the open and closed tine Warcomps myself. I was just trying to determine if Surefire produced a new opened tined one that was neutral. We can see clearly here in the Brownells picture that the the index lug is off kilter. https://i.imgur.com/ba8wXb4.jpg |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 1:48:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Wow, that's kinda sloppy especially when surefire says it's suppose to be timed at 6 and it's a 1400$ upper... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
Originally Posted By tonyxcom:
Understood, I have both the open and closed tine Warcomps myself. I was just trying to determine if Surefire produced a new opened tined one that was neutral. We can see clearly here in the Brownells picture that the the index lug is off kilter. https://i.imgur.com/ba8wXb4.jpg Does Surefire recommend it timed at 6:00? I've always understood it can be timed however you want, depending on if your right or left handed, and if you can deal with the canted index lug. If I was a lefty, I probably wouldn't buy a Warcomp because it's set-up for righties and it looks stupid timed for lefties. If it was specifically for a clone build like these uppers are, and I wanted to stay 100% correct, I would just deal with it timed the way it should be. If I didn't care about 100% correctness, then I'd just install a 3 or 4 prong and be done with it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 2:08:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: tonyxcom]
[#42]
The documentation that comes with the Warcomp says it can be timed neutral or to favor lefties.
Edit, just says for "Left handed use", nothing about neutral timing. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 2:27:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: No, as far as I know, Surefire does not offer a neutral open tine Warcomp. And thanks for the pic. Maybe that answers my question from above. If the pic is reliable, then we can expect Warcomps that are neutral timed, which means they'll appear off center/crooked. No big deal to me, as I can remove the device, time it the way I want, then repin/weld it. I think they should either have different part numbers for uppers with devices timed either for righties, lefties, or neutral, or just offer an option to buy the upper without it pinned, then let the buyer time it and, if they need to, pin/weld it. Seems they should offer one that isn't pinned, anyway, for guys with SBR lowers. URGI minis the BCG, CH, and FH $979 From brownells: Brownells offers two different models of the USASOC URGI, a stripped model and a complete model. The URGI stripped upper receiver group does not include a bolt carrier group, charging handle, or muzzle device. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 2:50:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11: My barrel dated 01/17 does not have a marked F on the fsp however it is the correct height. FWIW this is the 3rd socom barrel I’ve had that the fsp wasn’t marked with an F I'll prob just roll w/ it spray paint it or something so it doesn't look like a blind man hand carved it. If anyone has a proper Colt Socom FSB that's F marked just sitting around, feel free to IM me and I'll buy it off you. Thanks for the help, fellas. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 3:20:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
[#45]
Originally Posted By tonyxcom:
The documentation that comes with the Warcomp says it can be timed neutral or to favor lefties. Edit, just says for "Left handed use", nothing about neutral timing. Originally Posted By 5pt56: Complete URGI $1379 URGI minis the BCG, CH, and FH $979 From brownells: Brownells offers two different models of the USASOC URGI, a stripped model and a complete model. The URGI stripped upper receiver group does not include a bolt carrier group, charging handle, or muzzle device. Still don't think I'm gonna pay $1k for the rail, barrel, and upper. I'll wait until a rail pops up in the EE and build it myself. Originally Posted By DoubleTap556: That's good to hear and makes me feel better about it. I'll prob just roll w/ it spray paint it or something so it doesn't look like a blind man hand carved it. If anyone has a proper Colt Socom FSB that's F marked just sitting around, feel free to IM me and I'll buy it off you. Thanks for the help, fellas.
Keep an eye out on the EE, doesn't have to be off a SOCOM barrel. Any .750" diameter FSB will fit the barrel, but they're supposed to be drilled to match. If it bothers you that much, contact ADCO and see if there's anything they can do with a barrel that's already been drilled for a FSB, but that needs a replacement installed. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 3:35:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: That's what I thought. Makes more sense to buy it stripped and finish it off yourself, especially if you're like me and already have the necessary parts laying around. Even if you don't, you can still finish it off for less than the $400 you'll save over buying it complete. Still don't think I'm gonna pay $1k for the rail, barrel, and upper. I'll wait until a rail pops up in the EE and build it myself. I just sold one off my SOCOM barrel.
Keep an eye out on the EE, doesn't have to be off a SOCOM barrel. Any .750" diameter FSB will fit the barrel, but they're supposed to be drilled to match. If it bothers you that much, contact ADCO and see if there's anything they can do with a barrel that's already been drilled for a FSB, but that needs a replacement installed. $125 for their supplied FSB straight pins $140 for their supplied FSB with taper pins $105 with your FSB I just sent off an FN barrel. 
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Posted: 1/7/2018 3:37:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
ADCO $125 for their supplied FSB straight pins $140 for their supplied FSB with taper pins $105 with your FSB I just sent off an FN barrel. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 3:39:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTap556: That's good to hear and makes me feel better about it. I'll prob just roll w/ it spray paint it or something so it doesn't look like a blind man hand carved it. If anyone has a proper Colt Socom FSB that's F marked just sitting around, feel free to IM me and I'll buy it off you. Thanks for the help, fellas. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 4:44:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: gatordev]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
So for you guys using an M4 profile barrel and either the surefire or kac can, is the POI shift that bad vs using a SOCOM barrel or marginal? I almost want to switch it up a little and throw my kac can on my non fsb block 2, but golly with a SOCOM barrel that will be one heavy bitch. Though if I'm thinking right, the fsb build I have with a SOCOM barrel SHOULD be about the same with the surefire can on it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
So for you guys using an M4 profile barrel and either the surefire or kac can, is the POI shift that bad vs using a SOCOM barrel or marginal? I almost want to switch it up a little and throw my kac can on my non fsb block 2, but golly with a SOCOM barrel that will be one heavy bitch. Though if I'm thinking right, the fsb build I have with a SOCOM barrel SHOULD be about the same with the surefire can on it. -Shooting a CQBR at 50y with a -212 can gave a solid 3" drop. (Fed M193...zeroed for 50y) -Shooting a CQBR at 100y with a -212 can gave a ~4" drop. (Fed M193...zeroed for 50y) -Shooting a CQBR at 200y with a -212 can gave a 12" drop. (Fed M193...zeroed for 50y) -Shooting a M4B2 at 100y with a -212 can gave a 4" drop. (Fed M193...zeroed for 100y) -Shooting a M4B2 at 200y with a -212 can gave a..."good enough" for an 18" steel target. (Fed M193...zeroed for 100y) Both barrels were M4/government profile. Both rifles have RIS II rails. Both rifles were run with either an Elcan (mostly), an ACOG (for when the M4B2 didn't have an Elcan), or an EXPS 3 w/ G33 (when the CQBR lost the Elcan). For comparison, my 416 had near POI/POA at 200y when running a SOCOM RC and an EXPS 3 w/ G33 (Fed M193...zeroed for 50y). I'm guessing barrel profile was a big reason for that. I know I'm not answering your SOCOM RC suppressor question, but the -212 can is damn near close enough, and very repeatable, as is the SOCOM RC. The data I have (which is very little) on the SOCOM barrel is hampered with having a non-FF (KAC RAS) rail and changing optics a lot. But the basic info I have is that the SOCOM barrel with a SF RC suppressor was less reactive at 100y than the M4 profile. At the end of the day, I'd like to move my SOCOM barrel (which I'm not really using) over to my M4B2. Again, take all of this and put on the rim of your glass when making margaritas. If I was a lefty, I probably wouldn't buy a Warcomp because it's set-up for righties and it looks stupid timed for lefties. |
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Posted: 1/7/2018 5:32:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: I'll check for you when I get home and I'm done cerakoting for the day. I have 2 that I just took off, one from a 6920 and one from a 14.5 govt profile. |
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