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Posted: 3/31/2021 2:37:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: js1977]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejc204: I just received a TangoDown Stubby Vertical Grip. This is not the QD model. I am having issues installing it in the RIS II Rail. My full-size one fits fine. Anyone else run into this issue? |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:06:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977: I just put the supplied keys in it and pushed it on from the front. It does require a little force as it is a super tight fit. I didn't have to remove the lower rail. can always just remove ris II bottom rail and install. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:09:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: You need to remove the bottom rail to mount it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By ejc204: I just received a TangoDown Stubby Vertical Grip. This is not the QD model. I am having issues installing it in the RIS II Rail. My full-size one fits fine. Anyone else run into this issue? You need to remove the bottom rail to mount it. I pounded mine on with a deadblow because I'm impatient 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:30:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: AZ_SBR]
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From personal experience:
Magpul AFG2: will slide on without removing lower rail; does drag against the finish though and will leave a permanent, albeit faint mark KAC VFG: will slide on with lots of play without removing lower rail Magpul RVG: separates so there's no sliding involved; just clamps onto the rail where you place it TangoDown full-size and stubby, non-QD: must remove lower rail or you will damage the grip; slides on with lots of friction, may also leave a permanent, faint mark across each rail section Most of it has to do with the initial clearance when you first start the installation moving from front to back. That half-circle/crescent piece gets in the way and causes clearance issues unless you separate the rail halves. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 11:34:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 03CR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejc204: I just received a TangoDown Stubby Vertical Grip. This is not the QD model. I am having issues installing it in the RIS II Rail. My full-size one fits fine. Anyone else run into this issue? Mine was extremely tight. Wound up having to go caveman and beat it on with a hammer. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2021 12:25:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: AZ_SBR]
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You should never need to hammer it on. Tip: just set the rear of the lower rail on a carpet floor and with a little effort you can slide the TD grip downward on the rail to the desired position. If you’re holding both pieces in the air and trying to slide it by pushing both the rail and the grip towards each other, it’s not going to budge. But yeah, hammering it on, no...
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Posted: 3/31/2021 1:03:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_SBR: You should never need to hammer it on. Tip: just set the rear of the lower rail on a carpet floor and with a little effort you can slide the TD grip downward on the rail to the desired position. If you’re holding both pieces in the air and trying to slide it by pushing both the rail and the grip towards each other, it’s not going to budge. But yeah, hammering it on, no... Oh trust me, I used some common sense when attempting to install it, but it wasn't having it, and I was tired of dicking with it. I could have filed it to fit but ain't nobody got time fo dat. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 1:12:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: tnbigdawg]
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I hated the non-QD Tangodown grip for this reason but don't blame it. I sold it, and got the QD instead and it made life so much easier.
Ya know, I couldn't figure out and afraid to ask if the QD latch is supposed to be on the thumb side of my grip or palm side. I'm normal handed  and grip it with my left hand.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2021 1:56:10 PM EST
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I did notice that with a full-size TD, non QD vertical grip in the newest packaging, it went on with much greater ease and I wondered if TD adjusted the tolerances based on end-user feedback.
Regardless, I have a love-hate relationship with these grips. I think they look rad on clone builds in pictures, but when you actually use them in real life, they're obnoxiously big, get in the way, and bang you in the thigh or groin with regularity. I inevitably take them off and sell them. I've decided no matter how much I'm inclined to change up my build configuration again in the future, TD full size grip is off the list. No more. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 4:13:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnbigdawg: I hated the non-QD Tangodown grip for this reason but don't blame it. I sold it, and got the QD instead and it made life so much easier. Ya know, I couldn't figure out and afraid to ask if the QD latch is supposed to be on the thumb side of my grip or palm side. I'm normal handed and grip it with my left hand.Theoretically the grip should be oriented to permit your fingers to actuate the pressure pad, so the QD latch would go one whatever side allowed for that operation. But if you're not using a pressure pad there, then it doesn't matter, so do what feels best. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2021 4:22:57 PM EST
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New Colt BCGs in stock
https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-ar15-bolt-and-carrier-assembly-new.html I got this in an email and thought I'd share, I didn't check other vendors to see availability or pricing. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 4:27:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dyzastr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mdavis: Theoretically the grip should be oriented to permit your fingers to actuate the pressure pad, so the QD latch would go one whatever side allowed for that operation. But if you're not using a pressure pad there, then it doesn't matter, so do what feels best. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mdavis: Originally Posted By tnbigdawg: I hated the non-QD Tangodown grip for this reason but don't blame it. I sold it, and got the QD instead and it made life so much easier. Ya know, I couldn't figure out and afraid to ask if the QD latch is supposed to be on the thumb side of my grip or palm side. I'm normal handed and grip it with my left hand.Theoretically the grip should be oriented to permit your fingers to actuate the pressure pad, so the QD latch would go one whatever side allowed for that operation. But if you're not using a pressure pad there, then it doesn't matter, so do what feels best. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 4:33:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: mdavis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr: He may have the stubby which doesn't have the pressure pad slot. In that case it's kind of up to the user. With my grip style, I had the lever facing the ejection side to not interfere with grip. Ended up putting the magpul Afg back on the block2 though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr: Originally Posted By mdavis: Originally Posted By tnbigdawg: I hated the non-QD Tangodown grip for this reason but don't blame it. I sold it, and got the QD instead and it made life so much easier. Ya know, I couldn't figure out and afraid to ask if the QD latch is supposed to be on the thumb side of my grip or palm side. I'm normal handed and grip it with my left hand.Theoretically the grip should be oriented to permit your fingers to actuate the pressure pad, so the QD latch would go one whatever side allowed for that operation. But if you're not using a pressure pad there, then it doesn't matter, so do what feels best. Same here as a righthand shooter with a QD TD. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 5:27:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr: He may have the stubby which doesn't have the pressure pad slot. In that case it's kind of up to the user. With my grip style, I had the lever facing the ejection side to not interfere with grip. I’m pretty sure the previous owner of mine flipped the qd latch around on mine. Also lost a spring in the process. Ended up putting the magpul Afg back on the block2 though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr: Originally Posted By mdavis: Originally Posted By tnbigdawg: I hated the non-QD Tangodown grip for this reason but don't blame it. I sold it, and got the QD instead and it made life so much easier. Ya know, I couldn't figure out and afraid to ask if the QD latch is supposed to be on the thumb side of my grip or palm side. I'm normal handed and grip it with my left hand.Theoretically the grip should be oriented to permit your fingers to actuate the pressure pad, so the QD latch would go one whatever side allowed for that operation. But if you're not using a pressure pad there, then it doesn't matter, so do what feels best. Yup, it’s a stubby TD QD VFG. To me, it feels more natural this way too. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 6:14:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: Bhavin22]
[#15]
M300 or 600 with SureFire RC.
I’m thinking of switching my 300 out for a 600 so what do you guys with both think is a better fit |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 6:15:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: mdavis]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bhavin22: M300 or 600 with SureFire RC. I’m thinking of switching my 300 out for a 600 so what do you guys with both think is a better fit I like them both but prefer the 300 on the Mk18 for lower size/weight. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 6:18:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: ejc204]
[#17]
 Attached FileGot the stubby on, thanks guys. My Surefire Light got lost in the mail and now it's back ordered. So, gotta wait. Does anyone know if Surefire is still honoring the Golden Tickets? |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 6:21:18 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mdavis: I like them both but prefer the 300 on the Mk18 for lower size/weight. Lol yeah this auto correct gets me all the time! Thanks for the input |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 7:21:58 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2021 7:24:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ejc204: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222285/3E48212E-A675-4F70-8DC9-F909EE123C12_jpe-1887839.JPG Got the stubby on, thanks guys. My Surefire Light got lost in the mail and now it's back ordered. So, gotta wait. Does anyone know if Surefire is still honoring the Golden Tickets? I think they are, but you're not going to get the RC can. They might offer you a RC2. I imagine the light discount is still good. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2021 7:25:50 PM EST
[#21]
Any thoughts in here on the colt lower marked “carbine” only?
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Posted: 3/31/2021 7:29:27 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:11:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378: https://i.postimg.cc/HsQVRs9b/89-C0-E474-1-C5-B-48-E4-86-E6-AB358-CB91-E4-C.jpg Lol textbook definition of what a Cqbr/Mk18 is. I need a N1 stock now... |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:17:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: AZ_SBR]
[#24]
Dear Diary,
Today another guy posted a short-barreled rifle that looked nothing like a CQBR or MK18 clone, but it did have Anime graphics. The end. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:31:25 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_SBR: Dear Diary, Today another guy posted a short-barreled rifle that looked nothing like a CQBR or MK18 clone, but it did have Anime graphics. The end. It was never about that rifle.. |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 8:43:26 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2021 9:14:04 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2021 9:38:03 PM EST
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You guys clearly don’t know what you’re talking about........ it says mk-18 right on it
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Posted: 3/31/2021 9:41:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThis isn't GD, so can I will comment on the technical aspect of how gay anime is? |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 10:09:02 PM EST
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Posted: 3/31/2021 10:15:38 PM EST
[#31]
Recharge your clone worthiness by watching this video of MK18s used in anger.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/comments/mhg8tm/sf_green_berets_in_afghanistan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 10:29:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: To erase the anime out of our minds https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76CB1934-DB8A-4285-A3DF-C5B86E06708E_jpe-1888187.JPG Dude, what a wildly expensive picture lol. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 12:50:07 AM EST
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Are the nsn marked surefire 4 prongs harder to find? I thought I saw one posted in here but can’t find it now.
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Posted: 4/1/2021 4:53:01 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: To erase the anime out of our minds https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76CB1934-DB8A-4285-A3DF-C5B86E06708E_jpe-1888187.JPG 
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Posted: 4/1/2021 11:49:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: To erase the anime out of our minds https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76CB1934-DB8A-4285-A3DF-C5B86E06708E_jpe-1888187.JPG If only there was a local “Pick-n-Pull” for these things.... |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 12:55:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lmt-ar: Are the nsn marked surefire 4 prongs harder to find? I thought I saw one posted in here but can’t find it now. I thought it was rare for even the military ones to be marked with a nsn? |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 1:20:43 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1: I thought it was rare for even the military ones to be marked with a nsn? I haven't seen any with it. Just got some in last month that I haven't had a chance to look at yet however. CD |
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USA
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Posted: 4/1/2021 3:14:49 PM EST
[#38]
The 4 prong I have came from a geissele urgi upper and it has the nsn on the very bottom. Did they only come nsn marked on those complete uppers? I’m just curious
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2021 6:38:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977: Not perfect, but I'm enjoying it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438461/3D85233A-73B7-4F19-AF69-8C1CEE047EF6_jpe-1883500.JPG Nice M4-2000! I’ve got an almost clone correct Colt mk18 CQBR with the same can as you. One thing I like is the noise suppression. It’s excellent noise suppression is always noted by other shooters. Maybe I just got lucky and got a great can. I just need a correct barrel, gas block and surefire muzzle devices. I run an older issued Acog but I’d love to get Elcan. How many more Cloners out there run an AAC on the end of their mk18? |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 6:51:57 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lmt-ar: The 4 prong I have came from a geissele urgi upper and it has the nsn on the very bottom. Did they only come nsn marked on those complete uppers? I’m just curious I’d say you got lucky, my clone urgi doesn’t have the nsn # on the 4 prong. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 7:05:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: To erase the anime out of our minds https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76CB1934-DB8A-4285-A3DF-C5B86E06708E_jpe-1888187.JPG And I'm here begging people on the ee for a tan lmt sopmod |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 7:46:07 PM EST
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Did someone say something about NSN marked 4 prongs and tan LMT stocks?
 
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Posted: 4/1/2021 8:11:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: Did someone say something about NSN marked 4 prongs and tan LMT stocks? https://i.imgur.com/Ye0wewU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iaQT7Zw.jpg no.. 
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Posted: 4/1/2021 8:54:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: Did someone say something about NSN marked 4 prongs and tan LMT stocks? https://i.imgur.com/Ye0wewU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iaQT7Zw.jpg Airsoft. Side note: Pic stolen from IG. Looks like a Tano NF with a Ultramount.  Attached File |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2021 8:55:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: bimmertech87]
[#45]
Hey fellas newbie checking looking to build a mod O / mod 1? I’m wanting this to be correct but trying to sort through everything. I have a colt a/f (no T) upper that I’m starting with. I also have a vero ras / broom handle that I thought I would use, but now not sure if I need a ris instead? Can you help clarify that for me?
Also i know there has been lots of discussion on the correct barrel, the originals were chopped from longer barrels. What is the correct barrel to start with to chop? What markings does it need to have? My plan is to end up with a 10.3 barrel w/ fsp, nt4 can, probably a lmt rear sight / aim point unless I decided to go eotech. Tell me what direction to head please. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 11:12:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bimmertech87: Hey fellas newbie checking looking to build a mod O / mod 1? I’m wanting this to be correct but trying to sort through everything. I have a colt a/f (no T) upper that I’m starting with. I also have a vero ras / broom handle that I thought I would use, but now not sure if I need a ris instead? Can you help clarify that for me? Also i know there has been lots of discussion on the correct barrel, the originals were chopped from longer barrels. What is the correct barrel to start with to chop? What markings does it need to have? My plan is to end up with a 10.3 barrel w/ fsp, nt4 can, probably a lmt rear sight / aim point unless I decided to go eotech. Tell me what direction to head please. So if going for an original Navy Mk18 mod 0 (such as one with a Navy Mk18 badge on the lower), the KAC M4 RIS is going to be more correct. If going for a more current day Mk18 mod 0, the KAC M4 RAS is fine. It’s more of a time period of clone thing. The most correct barre would be a Colt 14.5 govt pro chopped down to 10.3. Other correct barrel would be FN 10.3 SOCOM profile. A factory Colt 10.3 or a Daniel Defense 10.3 are also fine but arguably not as correct. LMT rear sight and Aimpoint Comp M2 in a Wilcox mount for original Navy Mk18 mod 0 with badge. These guns had KAC M4QD muzzle devices but we never saw any pics of NT4s actually being attached to them. And the EOTech would be fine for a more current day mod 0. (Also known as block 1.5) Either the FDE 553 or FDE EXPS 3-0. Black 553s and black EXPS 3-0’s were also issued in much, much lower numbers. ETA the 552 as well but that’s more of a Block 1 CQBR thing and I’m trying not to confuse you. Go with the EXPS if you go with an EOTech |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 11:51:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: So if going for an original Navy Mk18 mod 0 (such as one with a Navy Mk18 badge on the lower), the KAC M4 RIS is going to be more correct. If going for a more current day Mk18 mod 0, the KAC M4 RAS is fine. It’s more of a time period of clone thing. The most correct barre would be a Colt 14.5 govt pro chopped down to 10.3. Other correct barrel would be FN 10.3 SOCOM profile. A factory Colt 10.3 or a Daniel Defense 10.3 are also fine but arguably not as correct. LMT rear sight and Aimpoint Comp M2 in a Wilcox mount for original Navy Mk18 mod 0 with badge. These guns had KAC M4QD muzzle devices but we never saw any pics of NT4s actually being attached to them. And the EOTech would be fine for a more current day mod 0. (Also known as block 1.5) Either the FDE 553 or FDE EXPS 3-0. Black 553s and black EXPS 3-0’s were also issued in much, much lower numbers. ETA the 552 as well but that’s more of a Block 1 CQBR thing and I’m trying not to confuse you. Go with the EXPS if you go with an EOTech A FN 10.3" SOCOM would be for a Mk18 Mod 1, not a Mod 0 as it is designed for a low profile gas block. Both RIS and RAS handguards used, Colt N1, waffle or SOMPOD stocks are used. LMT A2, KAC 300m or MaTech BUIS. We did have some NT4 suppressors for them but they were theater spares so never used them.  Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 12:09:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: A FN 10.3" SOCOM would be for a Mk18 Mod 1, not a Mod 0 as it is designed for a low profile gas block. Both RIS and RAS handguards used, Colt N1, waffle or SOMPOD stocks are used. LMT A2, KAC 300m or MaTech BUIS. We did have some NT4 suppressors for them but they were theater spares so never used them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_1982_JPG-1889569.JPG CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: So if going for an original Navy Mk18 mod 0 (such as one with a Navy Mk18 badge on the lower), the KAC M4 RIS is going to be more correct. If going for a more current day Mk18 mod 0, the KAC M4 RAS is fine. It’s more of a time period of clone thing. The most correct barre would be a Colt 14.5 govt pro chopped down to 10.3. Other correct barrel would be FN 10.3 SOCOM profile. A factory Colt 10.3 or a Daniel Defense 10.3 are also fine but arguably not as correct. LMT rear sight and Aimpoint Comp M2 in a Wilcox mount for original Navy Mk18 mod 0 with badge. These guns had KAC M4QD muzzle devices but we never saw any pics of NT4s actually being attached to them. And the EOTech would be fine for a more current day mod 0. (Also known as block 1.5) Either the FDE 553 or FDE EXPS 3-0. Black 553s and black EXPS 3-0’s were also issued in much, much lower numbers. ETA the 552 as well but that’s more of a Block 1 CQBR thing and I’m trying not to confuse you. Go with the EXPS if you go with an EOTech A FN 10.3" SOCOM would be for a Mk18 Mod 1, not a Mod 0 as it is designed for a low profile gas block. Both RIS and RAS handguards used, Colt N1, waffle or SOMPOD stocks are used. LMT A2, KAC 300m or MaTech BUIS. We did have some NT4 suppressors for them but they were theater spares so never used them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_1982_JPG-1889569.JPG CD Yessir. I don’t think he knows exactly what he’s going for as he mentioned “(mod 0/mod 1?)” but given he wants a FSB I can only figure he’s either going for a Mk18 mod 0, Block 1 CQBR, or Block 1.5 CQBR/PR |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 12:12:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DprvdDgnrt: You guys clearly don’t know what you’re talking about........ it says mk-18 right on it This thread isn’t for Daniel Defense Mk18’s. It is for SOCOM issued Mk18’s and CQBRs. Almost none of that stuff is as issued. Check out the difference between Daniel Defense Mk18’s and Mk12’s vs. military issued Mk18’s and Mk12’s. Page one post one of this thread and page one post one of the Mk12 thread. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 4:44:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lmt-ar: Are the nsn marked surefire 4 prongs harder to find? I thought I saw one posted in here but can’t find it now. Checked our current stock of 4P (been out of country for a month) and we do have a mix with and without NSNs. CD |
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