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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:38:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: krdt]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Even if there are USGI Daniel Defense uppers, the ones that are for sale commercially have laser etching and a pinned other than Mk12 gas block. https://danieldefense.com/socom-mk18-upper-receiver-group-stripped.html ETA: Oh boy, top o' the page. Well, I was going to wait until I had my Form 1 back and could put my Colt N1 or a SOPMOD on it, but what the hell. Tradition and all... 
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:52:13 PM EDT
[#2]
btw, what's the story on these DD gas blocks. Seem a little smaller than the MK12. Are they a DD product or outsourced?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Even if there are USGI Daniel Defense uppers, the ones that are for sale commercially have laser etching and a pinned other than Mk12 gas block. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:55:01 PM EDT
[#3]
https://i.imgur.com/6ofzY2l.jpg
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:58:02 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NickOTime:
Try using imgur.com . You don't even need an account if you don't want to sign up. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:59:31 PM EDT
[#5]
For footsoldier-
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:02:13 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
https://i.imgur.com/6ofzY2l.jpg [$img]https://i.imgur.com/6ofzY2l.jpg[$/img] |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:03:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryMuch woobie. So operator. 
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:04:54 PM EDT
[#8]
There are no laser etchings on the DD SOCOM CQBR uppers! Lol.
Mk12 gas blocks and all. They ARE milspec. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:06:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt:
Obviously some feel the subject isn't settled. Personally, I don't have any great vested interest in it one way or the other; I just find the subject interesting. I would've purchased my DD Mk18 SOCOM URG either way. I don't see any reason people need become upset over the issue. It's not as if clones built on Colt upper receivers/barrels really lose anything should it be true - they're still obviously correct. Although, I suppose all the effort to scratch build an upper and have a Colt barrel cut would lose some "elite status" if you can just purchase an off the shelf DD Mk18 SOCOM upper and be 100% correct, lol. The available evidence seems to point fairly convincingly to the conclusion that DD URGs were or are in use in some form by SOCOM. Perhaps not in any great quantity, but it's reasonable to suppose it's true. I don't see any reason it need be so contentious to discuss it. How do you know for certain that the uppers included BCG and CH? Was that stated specifically by a DD rep, or was it just confirmed that DD uppers (in whatever configuration) are fielded by SOCOM? I would assume that if they were supplied complete minus a muzzle device, DD would have sourced their CHs from PRI and not used their own. Also, wouldn't a DD supplied upper be minus the Colt "C" marking? I'm going off the supposition that Colt upper receivers supplied to the military have the "C" mark. I suppose if you ever come across a CQBR upper with just a forge mark and no "C" during a rebuild, that would be pretty strong evidence. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:07:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NickOTime]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Great looking gun btw! Need to get yourself a can now and she'll be perfect. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:19:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: footsoldier9th]
[#11]
Thanks milspec. Hope I finally got it.
[img]https://i.imgur.com/XnAN22M.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/MRLjMP3.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/qMS8Q0c.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/yEpWu8T.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/XDz01NT.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/knYNT27.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/NEVvWCO.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/E2aEbSi.jpg[img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/QJHUgPC.jpg[img] |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:19:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
There are no laser etchings on the DD SOCOM CQBR uppers! Lol. Mk12 gas blocks and all. They ARE milspec. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:23:28 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Thanks milspec. Hope I finally got it. [url]https://i.imgur.com/XnAN22M.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/MRLjMP3.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/qMS8Q0c.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/yEpWu8T.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/XDz01NT.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/knYNT27.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/NEVvWCO.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/E2aEbSi.jpg[url] [url]https://i.imgur.com/QJHUgPC.jpg[url] |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:24:07 PM EDT
[#14]
Yes. The commercial DD CQBR uppers have some form of DD logo on the receiver, and BCG. The DD URGs SOCOM receives do not have any DD markings.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:26:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
I've rebuilt them downrange with Colt, FN and Demco uppers. Use whatever is in DoD supply system. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1235_uppers.jpg CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Originally Posted By krdt:
Obviously some feel the subject isn't settled. Personally, I don't have any great vested interest in it one way or the other; I just find the subject interesting. I would've purchased my DD Mk18 SOCOM URG either way. I don't see any reason people need become upset over the issue. It's not as if clones built on Colt upper receivers/barrels really lose anything should it be true - they're still obviously correct. Although, I suppose all the effort to scratch build an upper and have a Colt barrel cut would lose some "elite status" if you can just purchase an off the shelf DD Mk18 SOCOM upper and be 100% correct, lol. The available evidence seems to point fairly convincingly to the conclusion that DD URGs were or are in use in some form by SOCOM. Perhaps not in any great quantity, but it's reasonable to suppose it's true. I don't see any reason it need be so contentious to discuss it. How do you know for certain that the uppers included BCG and CH? Was that stated specifically by a DD rep, or was it just confirmed that DD uppers (in whatever configuration) are fielded by SOCOM? I would assume that if they were supplied complete minus a muzzle device, DD would have sourced their CHs from PRI and not used their own. Also, wouldn't a DD supplied upper be minus the Colt "C" marking? I'm going off the supposition that Colt upper receivers supplied to the military have the "C" mark. I suppose if you ever come across a CQBR upper with just a forge mark and no "C" during a rebuild, that would be pretty strong evidence. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_1235_uppers.jpg CD |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:29:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: footsoldier9th]
[#16]
Thanks milspec. Hope I finally got it. Glad I can build and shoot better than I know computers. Thanks again for your help.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:35:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Thanks milspec. Hope I finally got it. Glad I can build and shoot better than I know computers. Thanks again for your help. https://i.imgur.com/XnAN22M.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MRLjMP3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qMS8Q0c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yEpWu8T.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XDz01NT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/knYNT27.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NEVvWCO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/E2aEbSi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QJHUgPC.jpg/ 
Very nice builds BTW ETA your mod 0's A2 flash hider doesn't look to be timed correctly or is in the process of coming off, just incase you haven't caught it yet (wrench flats are cockeyed) |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 4:49:16 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Thanks milspec. Hope I finally got it. Glad I can build and shoot better than I know computers. Thanks again for your help. https://i.imgur.com/XnAN22M.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MRLjMP3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qMS8Q0c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yEpWu8T.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XDz01NT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/knYNT27.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NEVvWCO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/E2aEbSi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QJHUgPC.jpg/ |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 5:00:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
No worries bro, I'm computer retarded too. Seemed like posting a pic was rocket science when I was new to the site.
Very nice builds BTW ETA your mod 0's A2 flash hider doesn't look to be timed correctly or is in the process of coming off, just incase you haven't caught it yet (wrench flats are cockeyed) |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 5:02:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NickOTime:
Milspec's got your back! Great looking gun btw! Need to get yourself a can now and she'll be perfect. 
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Posted: 9/12/2017 5:11:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Yeah it's an A1 cage I threw on there just for pics, didn't worry about wrenching it on there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
No worries bro, I'm computer retarded too. Seemed like posting a pic was rocket science when I was new to the site.
Very nice builds BTW ETA your mod 0's A2 flash hider doesn't look to be timed correctly or is in the process of coming off, just incase you haven't caught it yet (wrench flats are cockeyed)
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 6:25:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NickOTime]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Filed the paper work a couple days ago...now just to wait... Man that mod0 is hot too! |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 6:46:08 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NickOTime:
Man does that thing look nice. What can you waiting on? Will it be clone correct? Man that mod0 is hot too! |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 7:16:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Sadly it will not be clone correct. Found an awesome deal on a griffin armament M4SD II that I couldn't pass up. This will be my only deviation. Luckily most will give a pass on suppressor as they are a little harder to come by. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 7:26:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/12/2017 11:21:44 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carmodyh:
you make me want to swap out my aimpoint pro for an EXPS on my mod 0....
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Posted: 9/12/2017 11:34:37 PM EDT
[#27]
Well, as I said in my edit to the top of the page post, I was going to wait until I had my Form 1 and a proper stock to post pictures (either my N1 or a SOPMOD). But that damn top of the page post made me do it. I had no choice :\. Might as well post the other side, too.
Going to order up a SOCOM RC in the next day or so; then it'll be 3P or 4P decision time. After what I've spent on this little bastard already, not sure if I want to pay what people are asking for a 4P. If I were going to put another $250 into the already bloated budget, I'd probably get a Colt M4 marked lower instead. 
The requisite toe pic, lol. 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 8:58:30 AM EDT
[#28]
So the Mod 0 used A1 lowers, do the Block 2 MK18s have A1 lowers in the wild as well? Or are those all M4A1 or A2 lowers? I am turning in 4 SBR lowers this week so trying to get my bearings straight, Starting MK18s FINALLY. Unfortunately, cannot seem to find a KAC NT4 suppressor in stock currently.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 10:27:04 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryHo Lee Chit! You finally moved to real America!
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Posted: 9/13/2017 1:20:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aaron580:
So the Mod 0 used A1 lowers, do the Block 2 MK18s have A1 lowers in the wild as well? Or are those all M4A1 or A2 lowers? I am turning in 4 SBR lowers this week so trying to get my bearings straight, Starting MK18s FINALLY. Unfortunately, cannot seem to find a KAC NT4 suppressor in stock currently. Mk18 Mod 0 with a M16A1 lower (both sides) 
only one with a M16A1 lower, all other M4A1 
For Mk18 Mod 1 (Mk18-1), M4A1 lowers remarked. 
and Army way, same gun 
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Posted: 9/13/2017 1:49:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jparish62:
Ho Lee Chit! You finally moved to real America! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jparish62:
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Posted: 9/13/2017 2:06:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: footsoldier9th]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That's actually the dude who was having trouble posting pics' gun. Mine still has pistol lower AIDS. for now  Just glad you helped me figure it out. After some time of sitting back and going over these pages/posts again and again (almost creepily at times) Im glad I can finally contribute.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 2:38:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That's actually the dude who was having trouble posting pics' gun. Mine still has pistol lower AIDS. for now Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By jparish62:
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Posted: 9/13/2017 3:49:06 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
As a general rule some Mk18 Mod 0 used A1 lowers, most M4A1. I've never seen a Mk18-1 (as marked on lowers) use a A1, only M4A1. No M16A2 or M4 lowers as they are burst. All US Army CQBR/URG use M4A1 lowers as they are a seperate upper for the standard issue M4A1. Mk18 Mod 0 with a M16A1 lower (both sides) http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_19832.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_19852.JPG only one with a M16A1 lower, all other M4A1 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_19821.JPG For Mk18 Mod 1 (Mk18-1), M4A1 lowers remarked. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_2192_Mk18-1.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0911_Navy_18-1.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0921_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0920_rz.jpg and Army way, same gun http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_1168_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_1176_rz.jpg CD |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:13:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR-Ryan21]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Look at all those Daniel Defense uppers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
As a general rule some Mk18 Mod 0 used A1 lowers, most M4A1. I've never seen a Mk18-1 (as marked on lowers) use a A1, only M4A1. No M16A2 or M4 lowers as they are burst. All US Army CQBR/URG use M4A1 lowers as they are a seperate upper for the standard issue M4A1. Mk18 Mod 0 with a M16A1 lower (both sides) http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_19832.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_19852.JPG only one with a M16A1 lower, all other M4A1 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_19821.JPG For Mk18 Mod 1 (Mk18-1), M4A1 lowers remarked. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_2192_Mk18-1.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0911_Navy_18-1.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0921_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0920_rz.jpg and Army way, same gun http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_1168_rz.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_1176_rz.jpg CD You have quite an eye. The way you can differentiate blurry unmarked milspec receivers is just uncanny. I mean, CD clearly just posted a pic of every CQBR upper that's ever been fielded, as well... Truth hurts, Coltflake. CNN and NBC must be missing a viewer right now. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:18:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunfighter236]
[#36]
One of my co-workers at the PD recently got out of Ranger BN in the last 3 years or so and said that all their lowers were Colt M4A1 with a mix of uppers. He said they did have a few unmarked DD uppers in the mix of the arms room. All the rifles were wearing the RIS II rails.
Take that for what it's worth but I have no reason to not believe him. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:28:35 PM EDT
[#37]
There's no reason not to believe anything on this subject. Anyone capable of critical thought and deductive reasoning knows the reality. Reality is very tough for some, though.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:39:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunfighter236:
One of my co-workers at the PD recently got out of Ranger BN in the last 3 years or so and said that all their lowers were Colt M4A1 with a mix of uppers. He said they did have a few unmarked DD uppers in the mix of the arms room. All the rifles were wearing the RIS II rails. Take that for what it's worth but I have no reason to not believe him. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 4:58:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR-Ryan21]
[#39]
His verbiage of that they had "a few" DD uppers in the mix as well...
Meaning, all the uppers weren't just Colt, weren't just DD, etc. "A few unmarked DD uppers in the mix." "All the rifles were wearing the RIS II rails." |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 5:40:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex:
How could he know thier pedigree if the uppers were unmarked? A lot of guys simply refer to these URGs as "Daniel Defense" because of the rail. I trust his word and do know that being assigned to JSOC that BN guys are a lot more hands on with their weapons and maintenance. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 5:56:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Look at all those Daniel Defense uppers. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 6:14:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Phildo]
[#42]
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Posted: 9/13/2017 6:18:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
It's almost like companies like Colt and FN stamp their uppers with some sort of marking to tell them apart. Guess we'll never know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Look at all those Daniel Defense uppers. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 6:54:11 PM EDT
[#44]
No trust me Colt reps and FN reps told me all those were. You don't need photo evidence. Just take my word for it.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:00:00 PM EDT
[#45]
Yeah yeah. I get it. Everyone is lying. It's a massive deep state conspiracy. People say the uppers are there, but they're actually not. I'm not saying it's aliens. But it's probably aliens.
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:18:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yeah yeah. I get it. Everyone is lying. It's a massive deep state conspiracy. People say the uppers are there, but they're actually not. I'm not saying it's aliens. But it's probably aliens. One thing I never liked. A long time ago it was known that all new M4A1s would have heavy "SOCOM" barrels. People just assumed that 14.5“ RIS II URGs (non FSP) had heavy barrels as well. Turns out, they have regular M4 barrels proven by Combat_Diver and documents I've seen. Many in this thread still don't know this. Anyway, I won't believe there are non FSP uppers with heavy barrels until I see a picture of an issued rifle with one or official documents that say so. Same goes for LMT and DD URGs. Regardless, the billboard URGs people own aren't "clone correct", no matter how you slice it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2017 7:30:00 PM EDT
[#47]
This has never been about acting like the DD billboard receivers are clone correct. It's always just simply been about reality. The narrative in here as continued to be it's brand x or y, but never z. That's not true. And we've known that for a long time.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 9:59:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NickOTime]
[#48]
So by the standards of those claiming DD uppers aren't clone correct the same can be said about those custom engraved 80% lowers.....
This is getting ridiculous, I know where I stand on the issue and also trust the industry insiders who have spoken up. That's all I'll say. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 3:39:48 PM EDT
[#49]
Can anyone who recently purchased an upper from Brownells confirm the hang tag date? My upper showed up with with what appears to be a March hang tag date and appears to have a couple of cosmetic blemishes. The blemishes don't bother me as much as the hang tag date since I plan to shoot this upper mainly suppressed. I'm worried that I might have received somebody's returned upper and that mine will have the larger gas port. I have no way of checking the gas port size.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 5:07:37 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fl_Pilot:
Can anyone who recently purchased an upper from Brownells confirm the hang tag date? My upper showed up with with what appears to be a March hang tag date and appears to have a couple of cosmetic blemishes. The blemishes don't bother me as much as the hang tag date since I plan to shoot this upper mainly suppressed. I'm worried that I might have received somebody's returned upper and that mine will have the larger gas port. I have no way of checking the gas port size. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/302712/D7AA77C3--307449.JPG |
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