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Posted: 9/10/2017 8:09:13 PM EDT
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Still no source.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 8:37:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: footsoldier9th]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKDoc:
Anybody running a Griffin M4SDk or M4SD series suppressor on a Mod 1. I have a brownells mk18 upper. Test fit my hammer comp today. Seems even with all the included shims and overtravel stop I'm just shy of latch gate screws clearing rail. Might just use a second over travel stop as a spacer. Anybody else have this setup or maybe another griffin muzzle device with more clearance? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 9:38:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NickOTime]
[#3]
Sorry for opening old wounds guys. Really didn't mean to derail the thread like that. I'll take some new mk18/cqbr pics tomorrow and post them as atonement.
Now can we get back to lmt issued 10.5 uppers and gas port sizeing?  seriously kidding sorry for my morbid sense of humor.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 9:50:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: carmodyh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
I just purchased an M4SD II, but the suppressor is in jail. I wont have an answer for 6-8 months. Will put it on my CQBR and Mod 0. Sorry I'm not any help. I would just contact Griffin Armament. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Originally Posted By AKDoc:
Anybody running a Griffin M4SDk or M4SD series suppressor on a Mod 1. I have a brownells mk18 upper. Test fit my hammer comp today. Seems even with all the included shims and overtravel stop I'm just shy of latch gate screws clearing rail. Might just use a second over travel stop as a spacer. Anybody else have this setup or maybe another griffin muzzle device with more clearance? hope this helps! also, the hammer comp didn't last long on my mk18... I went back to an A2 because that hammer comp will rattle your teeth like a hammer I guess... also, for those of you that own or have an M4SD II in jail, try your A2 birdcages for compatibility, I'm 50/50 on success with A2s. I only mention this because I wouldn't want yall pinning an A2 muzzle device only to discover that the latch wont close. Just FYI.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Haven't posted in a while. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4398/36294323874_e44fb92664_h.jpg" target="_blank">https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4398/36294323874_e44fb92664_h.jpg |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:18:59 PM EDT
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Thanks. I might just use another stack of sims and see where I get. Guess no issues using that many. I might even have a unused sico spacer somewhere. I might also check with GA to see if other muzzle device might give more clearance.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:45:06 PM EDT
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:52:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKDoc:
Thanks. I might just use another stack of sims and see where I get. Guess no issues using that many. I might even have a unused sico spacer somewhere. I might also check with GA to see if other muzzle device might give more clearance. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carmodyh:
You'll need to shim that bitch out a little more. Below are some pics of my MK18 Mod 0 without the over travel stop and a hammer comp and a 14.5 inch build with the flash comp and over travel stop and some shims. the gate screws protrude as far as pictured, so If you can shim it out enough past where the muzzle device starts, you should clear the RIS. its going to be mad close though. You could always order one of those silencer co spacers if you wanted as well. hope this helps! also, the hammer comp didn't last long on my mk18... I went back to an A2 because that hammer comp will rattle your teeth like a hammer I guess... also, for those of you that own or have an M4SD II in jail, try your A2 birdcages for compatibility, I'm 50/50 on success with A2s. I only mention this because I wouldn't want yall pinning an A2 muzzle device only to discover that the latch wont close. Just FYI. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/365058/FullSizeRender-304508.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/365058/IMG_6691_2-304509.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/365058/IMG_6692-304510.JPG |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:39:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:48:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 78Staff]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
And, here's the link...again: DD "SOCOM" Upper - Click - this is what I call a clue But, the linked page doesn't show anything pertaining to being issued, just that DD built a MK18 upper "to USSOCOM standards". Kind of like FN built the FN-9 striker fired pistol for Military contract submission, but that doesn't mean we actually bought any or any are in theater other than evaluation/testing samples. So from that link, we can gather that DD built an upper to USSOCOM Standards, and labeled it as such, but that is all we get from that. |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Still looking retarded with the 552, lol. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/37014404931_f658360411_h.jpg" target="_blank">https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/37014404931_f658360411_h.jpg |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2017 9:32:10 AM EDT
[#13]
Anyone know the cheapest place to get an ATPIAL-C these days? Rhymes with "Charms Inhibited" seems to have the best price . . .
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Posted: 9/11/2017 10:41:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daojag:
Anyone know the cheapest place to get an ATPIAL-C these days? Rhymes with "Charms Inhibited" seems to have the best price . . . |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2017 11:54:36 AM EDT
[#15]
FYI Griffin got back to me on m4sdk mounting. They said A2 might have a tiny bit more clearance but using more shims or another stop washer as a spacer would be easiest.
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 9/11/2017 12:10:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mister_Donut]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daojag:
Anyone know the cheapest place to get an ATPIAL-C these days? Rhymes with "Charms Inhibited" seems to have the best price . . . I want it, but not sure the wife would be happy with me clearing rooms with it at home. There aren’t any local ranges that have night events, and we can’t hunt with ARs (basically, we’re only allowed to use ARs at a certified gun range). It’s kind of sad that the kids that play airsoft will actually be able to put these sort of NV devices to use , when real firearms owners can’t. And I’ve seen them spend huge dollars on this sort of stuff for their games. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 12:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_Donut:
One just popped up on a Canadian EE for $2,000, used, and Rebel Rouser mentioned on another forum that he saw a trashed one sell for $3,000 recently. I want it, but not sure the wife would be happy with me clearing rooms with it at home. There aren’t any local ranges that have night events, and we can’t hunt with ARs (basically, we’re only allowed to use ARs at a certified gun range). It’s kind of sad that the kids that play airsoft will actually be able to put these sort of NV devices to use , when real firearms owners can’t. And I’ve seen them spend huge dollars on this sort of stuff for their games. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 1:04:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_Donut:
One just popped up on a Canadian EE for $2,000, used, and Rebel Rouser mentioned on another forum that he saw a trashed one sell for $3,000 recently. I want it, but not sure the wife would be happy with me clearing rooms with it at home. There aren’t any local ranges that have night events, and we can’t hunt with ARs (basically, we’re only allowed to use ARs at a certified gun range). It’s kind of sad that the kids that play airsoft will actually be able to put these sort of NV devices to use , when real firearms owners can’t. And I’ve seen them spend huge dollars on this sort of stuff for their games. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 1:50:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jlgil73]
[#19]
Here is the latest pick of my Block 1. Let me know what you OG clone guys think and rate its clone worthiness...
Noveske Milspec Forged A2 Lower KAC AMBI Selector and Mag release A2 Grip LMT Gen 1 Sopmod QCD EndPlate Colt URG from a 6920 with Barrel Chopped to 10.3 by Adco and gas port opened to .070. PRI GasBuster CH Matech BUIS Aimpoint Comp M2 with QRP Mount KAC RAS, VFG, and rail covers KAC M4QD Flash hider Peq 2a Surefire M962 Accessorized with a set of PVS7s with a Gen 3 Thin-Film auto-gated tube. 
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Posted: 9/11/2017 3:12:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73:
Here is the latest pick of my Block 1. Let me know what you OG clone guys think and rate its clone worthiness... Noveske Milspec Forged A2 Lower KAC AMBI Selector and Mag release A2 Grip LMT Gen 1 Sopmod QCD EndPlate Colt URG from a 6920 with Barrel Chopped to 10.3 by Adco and gas port opened to .070. PRI GasBuster CH Matech BUIS Aimpoint Comp M2 with QRP Mount KAC RAS, VFG, and rail covers KAC M4QD Flash hider Peq 2a Surefire M962 Accessorized with a set of PVS7s with a Gen 3 Thin-Film auto-gated tube. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4437/36980028146_48bb480ac7_o.jpg 
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Posted: 9/11/2017 3:25:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
Looking good! Just need a NT4 now |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2017 5:09:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
It gets old seeing you always claim these sources and never posting them. Glad to see nothing has changed in terms of you posting out your ass.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yes. DD has supplied COMPLETE uppers. To the mil. The link to their mil/gov uppers has even been posted in this thread on a few occasions. There are no DD markings on anything - the receiver, BCG, etc. DD has even personally confirmed this. Things never seem to change around here, though. The "powers (  )" that be just can't have their narrative of one brand to rule them all destroyed. So, you'll keep tuning into CNN bias news until then. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 7:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B5Systems:
Hes right though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B5Systems:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yes. DD has supplied COMPLETE uppers. To the mil. The link to their mil/gov uppers has even been posted in this thread on a few occasions. There are no DD markings on anything - the receiver, BCG, etc. DD has even personally confirmed this. Things never seem to change around here, though. The "powers ( )" that be just can't have their narrative of one brand to rule them all destroyed. So, you'll keep tuning into CNN bias news until then.Or maybe I'm crazy and that didn't actually happen. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 8:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Wasn't there a DD rep (or someone with inside info associated with DD) who posted in the last Mk18 thread that commented on this? I seem to recall him alluding to the fact that there were in fact DD URGs in use by SOCOM. Or maybe I'm crazy and that didn't actually happen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By B5Systems:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yes. DD has supplied COMPLETE uppers. To the mil. The link to their mil/gov uppers has even been posted in this thread on a few occasions. There are no DD markings on anything - the receiver, BCG, etc. DD has even personally confirmed this. Things never seem to change around here, though. The "powers ( )" that be just can't have their narrative of one brand to rule them all destroyed. So, you'll keep tuning into CNN bias news until then.Or maybe I'm crazy and that didn't actually happen. Even after a guy that works for the company that supplies stocks to SOCOM says I'm right, it still will mean nothing to them. General Mattis himself could come in here and confirm what we've already known for years, and it still wouldn't be enough. As I'll keep saying...the Coltflakes can think whatever they want. Complete DD CQBR uppers have been fielded. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 8:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73:
Here is the latest pick of my Block 1. Let me know what you OG clone guys think and rate its clone worthiness... Noveske Milspec Forged A2 Lower KAC AMBI Selector and Mag release A2 Grip LMT Gen 1 Sopmod QCD EndPlate Colt URG from a 6920 with Barrel Chopped to 10.3 by Adco and gas port opened to .070. PRI GasBuster CH Matech BUIS Aimpoint Comp M2 with QRP Mount KAC RAS, VFG, and rail covers KAC M4QD Flash hider Peq 2a Surefire M962 Accessorized with a set of PVS7s with a Gen 3 Thin-Film auto-gated tube. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4437/36980028146_48bb480ac7_o.jpg |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 9:44:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Here it is - page 6 of this thread - from Iceman:
"Best advice on the MK18 that I can offer- This thing is a finicky beast. We have built 10's of thousands of them. When I see a problem it usually has to do with extraction issues. Buy a high quality bolt and carrier and make sure you have an O-ring. it is a $.10 fix. Other than that gas port sizes matter somewhat but you can get reliable feeding suppressed and un-suppressed in a wide range. Oh and one final teaser for you clone builders-(and I am not trying to sell anything, just providing information for the "clonies")- you could buy a DD Barrel or a complete DD MK18 URG and have an actual as issued "correct" clone. These do exist "in the wild" and would be exactly "as issued" |
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BC, CAN
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Posted: 9/11/2017 10:41:19 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daojag:
Wow, that's rough. I think at $3,000 I'd just go buy a SCAR 17 instead. |
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Posted: 9/11/2017 10:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_Donut:
Lol, which is also prohib in Kanadastan Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mister_Donut:
Originally Posted By daojag:
Wow, that's rough. I think at $3,000 I'd just go buy a SCAR 17 instead. 
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Posted: 9/12/2017 1:00:48 AM EDT
[#29]
I'm sure they exist as one off purchases in the wild. Like I am sure someone has somewhere used an AAC suppressor on a CQBR. But I can find pictures of prototype nightforce scopes on CAG rifles easier than finding a DD supplied upper receiver in any photos, or by any of the few armorers that frequent this page or other groups around cloning.
All I want is a photo. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 1:08:27 AM EDT
[#30]
What's the proper size for gas port? 0.80?
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Posted: 9/12/2017 1:43:27 AM EDT
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How the heck are we going to identify a DD URG in a pic? They look just like any other milspec URG. Not to mention, DD CQBR URGs have gotta be just a fraction of what's in use right now. Come on, let's be realistic here.
And all the known info on this subject strongly suggests that this was far from just one upper purchased at just one point. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 7:49:19 AM EDT
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If DD did sell complete uppers to SOCOM, they still wouldn't be what you could buy as the FH is totally different source. I did replace one ODA team members AAC FH on a 14.5" for a SF4P (CIF unit, different funds)
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 8:35:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGreatDanton:
What's the proper size for gas port? 0.80? .070" |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 9:11:14 AM EDT
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Every time I hear .70 or .80 gas port
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This is a .07" gas port:  Attached FileThis is a .70" gas port:  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 9:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73:
Here is the latest pick of my Block 1. Let me know what you OG clone guys think and rate its clone worthiness... Noveske Milspec Forged A2 Lower KAC AMBI Selector and Mag release A2 Grip LMT Gen 1 Sopmod QCD EndPlate Colt URG from a 6920 with Barrel Chopped to 10.3 by Adco and gas port opened to .070. PRI GasBuster CH Matech BUIS Aimpoint Comp M2 with QRP Mount KAC RAS, VFG, and rail covers KAC M4QD Flash hider Peq 2a Surefire M962 Accessorized with a set of PVS7s with a Gen 3 Thin-Film auto-gated tube. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4437/36980028146_48bb480ac7_o.jpg |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 9:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Every time I hear .70 or .80 gas port .
This is a .07" gas port: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/-305464.JPG This is a .70" gas port: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/-305465.JPG 
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Posted: 9/12/2017 9:58:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DwayneHicks:
Looks mean as hell. how do you like the pvs-7? thinking of getting one as a loner.... thanks On the PVS-7s, I haven't even looked through anything else, so i have nothing to compare it to, but, they are awesome. I got it off of EE from User Tech-Com that sells Gen 3 thin filmed autogated units. I'm thrilled with the purchase. I picked them up thinking the same thing. Id start with these since they are relatively cheap, and then later buy something better to have these for friends. Now, I don't think Id upgrade to anything other than white phosphor Sentinals, because it cant be that much better IMO (but, I havent looked through them). Before I bought from the user named, I emailed others that bought them from him and all were happy. YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:08:08 PM EDT
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I need your help, my friends. I pulled the trigger on a M4A1 stamped Colt lower a few weeks ago + I want to go ahead and submit my F1 paperwork. What OAL did you folks put on your forum? I plan on running a NT4 FH/NT4 on this particular setup.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:20:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cartel-:
I need your help, my friends. I pulled the trigger on a M4A1 stamped Colt lower a few weeks ago + I want to go ahead and submit my F1 paperwork. What OAL did you folks put on your forum? I plan on running a NT4 FH/NT4 on this particular setup. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:56:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate:
Every time I hear .70 or .80 gas port .
This is a .07" gas port: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/-305464.JPG This is a .70" gas port: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/-305465.JPG 
It cycles everything............but accuracy is shit.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
The flash hider doesn't count toward the OAL, but the extended stock does. I think I put 29" or 29.5" on mine. As long as it's close it doesn't really matter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sbye:
Originally Posted By Cartel-:
I need your help, my friends. I pulled the trigger on a M4A1 stamped Colt lower a few weeks ago + I want to go ahead and submit my F1 paperwork. What OAL did you folks put on your forum? I plan on running a NT4 FH/NT4 on this particular setup. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 1:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
If DD did sell complete uppers to SOCOM, they still wouldn't be what you could buy as the FH is totally different source. I did replace one ODA team members AAC FH on a 14.5" for a SF4P (CIF unit, different funds) CD On a related note, back when all DD commercial barrels were .082, there were some "contract overrun" .070 spec barrels available at one time. Does anyone know who exactly that contract was with? |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 2:39:05 PM EDT
[#43]
All those .070 contract overrun barrels are yet another obvious clue.
The CQBR uppers DD supplies SOCOM are complete with BCG and CH, they just don't have a muzzle device - so a 4P, NT4, etc, is later installed. They're stripped of logos. They look just like any other milspec CQBR upper. There may be some new folks involved in this topic currently, but again, this has all been known for years at this point. It shouldn't even have to come back up for debate. It's nothing like the LMT uppers. Nothing at all. We're dealing with multiple batch purchases of uppers that have been fielded. Recently. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:05:51 PM EDT
[#44]
One thing I'll put out if the uppers went to Crane for issue, Crane has installed serial numbers along the sides before issuing out.
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
One thing I'll put out if the uppers went to Crane for issue, Crane has installed serial numbers along the sides before issuing out. CD Just mentioning how Crane initially receives them. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:28:50 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
All those .070 contract overrun barrels are yet another obvious clue. The CQBR uppers DD supplies SOCOM are complete with BCG and CH, they just don't have a muzzle device - so a 4P, NT4, etc, is later installed. They're stripped of logos. They look just like any other milspec CQBR upper. There may be some new folks involved in this topic currently, but again, this has all been known for years at this point. It shouldn't even have to come back up for debate. It's nothing like the LMT uppers. Nothing at all. We're dealing with multiple batch purchases of uppers that have been fielded. Recently. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
All those .070 contract overrun barrels are yet another obvious clue. The CQBR uppers DD supplies SOCOM are complete with BCG and CH, they just don't have a muzzle device - so a 4P, NT4, etc, is later installed. They're stripped of logos. They look just like any other milspec CQBR upper. There may be some new folks involved in this topic currently, but again, this has all been known for years at this point. It shouldn't even have to come back up for debate. It's nothing like the LMT uppers. Nothing at all. We're dealing with multiple batch purchases of uppers that have been fielded. Recently. How do you know for certain that the uppers included BCG and CH? Was that stated specifically by a DD rep, or was it just confirmed that DD uppers (in whatever configuration) are fielded by SOCOM? I would assume that if they were supplied complete minus a muzzle device, DD would have sourced their CHs from PRI and not used their own. Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
One thing I'll put out if the uppers went to Crane for issue, Crane has installed serial numbers along the sides before issuing out. CD |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:31:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:34:09 PM EDT
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Even if there are USGI Daniel Defense uppers, the ones that are for sale commercially have laser etching and a pinned other than Mk12 gas block.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2017 3:37:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By footsoldier9th:
Well...that sucked, I'll try and figure this out |
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