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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Shit, might as well get the whole sha-bang for those prices, unless you want to SBR it. Any word on the barrel profile? Looks like it might be (at least beefier than govt pro) before the gas block in that pic, obviously hard to tell tho ETA and any idea what manufacturer for BCG? View Quote Previous post about Mid-length and Mil-Spec upper receiver and BCG is correct. I vote Andersons! ;D I was a little disappointed that just the rail will not be sold at least for now but then I got to crunching some numbers, it's not that much more ridiculous than building a DD Mk18 or M4A1 RIS II. I mean if you figure the rail is roughly $350, the barrel is like $250~275, a good Mil-Spec Colt, FN or DD BCG is $150~175.00, that flash hider is $100~120 plus what ADCO would charge to drill, pin and weld etc. The charging handle, the actually upper receiver etc. Then figure Brownells always has some discount... I might actually just sell my Colt LE6920 rifle and buy one of those and toss is on my Colt M4A1 lower. Sounds like a "clone" to me. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Shit, might as well get the whole sha-bang for those prices, unless you want to SBR it. Any word on the barrel profile? Looks like it might be (at least beefier than govt pro) before the gas block in that pic, obviously hard to tell tho ETA and any idea what manufacturer for BCG? View Quote |
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Just re-watched the G MK16 URG-I section of the video, it's definitely a mid-length barrel and it comes with a new version of the G gas block they are calling the Super Compact.
If anyone wants to watch just the Geissele Mk16 URG-I section of the video, it starts at EXACTLY 1:16:00 or 4,560 seconds in! Exact link below... Geissele Mk16 URG-I Upper Receiver |
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Definitely going to grab a stripped upper because pin and welding is gay and I’m going to put a 4 prong on mine. I hope we can get the stealth ACHs separately.
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The DDC buffer tube...
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I'm just here for the Dillo Dust
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I will fo hard on that URG-1
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It looks great, and I'll probably get one, but is anyone getting a hint of deja vu here? Did G just turn into DD overnight? I mean, is there something they inject you with when you get a government contract or is it the water at those contract negotiations... cause all of this sounds strangely familiar.
Rail available, but not available. Want it on a URG? Here you go! Want the rail by itself? No, sorry. Check. Are the URGs that said rare and coveted rail is available on overpriced? Check. Pricing eerily similar to the pricing structure formerly used by DD? Check. I mean, yes... if you break it down using full retail pricing, it isn't awful, but these are the days of DD Mk18 and M4A1 SOCOM URGs for $600. No one has paid full retail for awhile on much of anything. Minus a rail change and the gas length, this isn't all that different from an M4A1 SOCOM URG that is going for $600 with discounts. For all intents and purposes you could say they are the same upper, with a rail that, while new from G, has in previous iterations actually been less expensive than the RIS II. Not saying it doesn't make good business sense, though - especially while the rail is in huge demand. Assuming a retail on Brownells of $999.99, we can look to pick one up at around $863.99 with discounts. That's a little better... ETA: Oh, shit. Didn't even look at the link yet. I didn't realize they were already available for pre-order. So, $979... with discounts $845 or so. That's not awful considering it's a new product and will have high demand - assuming they don't exclude it from the next 10% coupon. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I like that they don't plaster their logo all over it like DD and BCM. View Quote |
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The pin and weld option appealed to me when I read 3p but I see it's actually a warcomp. Meh I got sbr lowers I'll just buy a stripped one eventually.
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Originally Posted By Spooled:
The pin and weld option appealed to me when I read 3p but I see it's actually a warcomp. Meh I got sbr lowers I'll just buy a stripped one eventually. View Quote Dooooittttttt! |
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Colt all the shit!
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Originally Posted By Spooled:
I'm just sold on the 3p, call me old fashion but if it ain't broke don't fix it I guess lol. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
But it literally is an SF3P.....with some extra holes in it. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Spooled:
You know what, your right. You always are right. Without your encouragement my cqbr wouldn't be what it is today. 2 years of your posts between this and the m4a1 b2 thread has definitely made me appreciate the more clone correct life. Guess I need to score one of those colt lowers now and get ready lol! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Spooled:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
But it literally is an SF3P.....with some extra holes in it. Thank you tho bro I'm still curious who makes this (and especially the issued) BCG. I'm not aware of Geissele being in the MIL-SPEC BCG business, maybe its an un-billboarded DD BCG... |
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I'm just here for the Dillo Dust
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: You give me far too much credit. Most of what I post is 99 percent retardation combined with 1 percent moments of clarity or helpfulness. Thank you tho bro I'm still curious who makes this (and especially the issued) BCG. I'm not aware of Geissele being in the MIL-SPEC BCG business, maybe its an un-billboarded DD BCG... View Quote He puts his money on toolcraft for the bcgs, uppers we could only guess. |
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Originally Posted By IceAuger:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/398889/Disloyal_Man_MK18-412610.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I'm still curious who makes this (and especially the issued) BCG. I'm not aware of Geissele being in the MIL-SPEC BCG business, maybe its an un-billboarded DD BCG... View Quote I'd been waiting on the G Mk16 rail. Looks like I'm getting a complete upper. |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
It looks great, and I'll probably get one, but is anyone getting a hint of deja vu here? Did G just turn into DD overnight? I mean, is there something they inject you with when you get a government contract or is it the water at those contract negotiations... cause all of this sounds strangely familiar. Rail available, but not available. Want it on a URG? Here you go! Want the rail by itself? No, sorry. Check. Are the URGs that said rare and coveted rail is available on overpriced? Check. Pricing eerily similar to the pricing structure formerly used by DD? Check. I mean, yes... if you break it down using full retail pricing, it isn't awful, but these are the days of DD Mk18 and M4A1 SOCOM URGs for $600. No one has paid full retail for awhile on much of anything. Minus a rail change and the gas length, this isn't all that different from an M4A1 SOCOM URG that is going for $600 with discounts. For all intents and purposes you could say they are the same upper, with a rail that, while new from G, has in previous iterations actually been less expensive than the RIS II. Not saying it doesn't make good business sense, though - especially while the rail is in huge demand. Assuming a retail on Brownells of $999.99, we can look to pick one up at around $863.99 with discounts. That's a little better... ETA: Oh, shit. Didn't even look at the link yet. I didn't realize they were already available for pre-order. So, $979... with discounts $845 or so. That's not awful considering it's a new product and will have high demand - assuming they don't exclude it from the next 10% coupon. View Quote 1) Geissele probably has a contract with .mil for complete upper rec groups. 2) They are cranking out uppers as fast as they can to make sure they have more than enough in inventory to satisfy contract quantity/delivery times with mil. 3) .mil can change its mind about how many they want delivered at any time on a whim while the contractor is totally responsible for making delivery times 4) Therefore you always have to have more than you need just sitting there waiting for gov to take delivery of whatever they want, or risk losing contract. 5) They anticipate having more than enough extra on hand ~ March 6) We start getting delivery of extras based on pre-orders around that time. Like I said, just a guess, but if true I personally appreciate them offering at least this as soon as possible. If you want just the rail I say just wait a bit until .mil gets theirs and then keep on asking G. We have asked for lots of stuff in the past from G and most of the time G listens. |
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On the G Mk16 upper, why is the SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP pinned and welded?
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Colt all the shit!
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Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail: This is just a guess but I think this is why they are doing it this way. 1) Geissele probably has a contract with .mil for complete upper rec groups. 2) They are cranking out uppers as fast as they can to make sure they have more than enough in inventory to satisfy contract quantity/delivery times with mil. 3) .mil can change its mind about how many they want delivered at any time on a whim while the contractor is totally responsible for making delivery times 4) Therefore you always have to have more than you need just sitting there waiting for gov to take delivery of whatever they want, or risk losing contract. 5) They anticipate having more than enough extra on hand ~ March 6) We start getting delivery of extras based on pre-orders around that time. Like I said, just a guess, but if true I personally appreciate them offering at least this as soon as possible. If you want just the rail I say just wait a bit until .mil gets theirs and then keep on asking G. We have asked for lots of stuff in the past from G and most of the time G listens. View Quote |
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So, this is just for the M4A1 right now, right? I didn’t see/hear any mention of them selling a Mk18 upper...I may have missed it though.
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Originally Posted By Spooled:
I was talking to my Geissele all the things friend and we discussed the same thing. He puts his money on toolcraft for the bcgs, uppers we could only guess. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Spooled:
I was talking to my Geissele all the things friend and we discussed the same thing. He puts his money on toolcraft for the bcgs, uppers we could only guess. Originally Posted By smitty_007:
So, this is just for the M4A1 right now, right? I didn't see/hear any mention of them selling a Mk18 upper...I may have missed it though. |
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Originally Posted By stoner63a:
They aren't exactly replacing every single M4A1 and Mk18 Upper assy within SOCOM this year, are they? Look at previous endusers seeing the M4A1 RISII in pics right about when they actually got in the M4A1 FSP rails fielded. View Quote One of the reasons the full length RIS IIs didn't switch out very fast, was initially many units didn't want them. Too heavy |
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Originally Posted By stoner63a:
They aren't exactly replacing every single M4A1 and Mk18 Upper assy within SOCOM this year, are they? Look at previous endusers seeing the M4A1 RISII in pics right about when they actually got in the M4A1 FSP rails fielded. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stoner63a:
Originally Posted By Vapor-Trail: This is just a guess but I think this is why they are doing it this way. 1) Geissele probably has a contract with .mil for complete upper rec groups. 2) They are cranking out uppers as fast as they can to make sure they have more than enough in inventory to satisfy contract quantity/delivery times with mil. 3) .mil can change its mind about how many they want delivered at any time on a whim while the contractor is totally responsible for making delivery times 4) Therefore you always have to have more than you need just sitting there waiting for gov to take delivery of whatever they want, or risk losing contract. 5) They anticipate having more than enough extra on hand ~ March 6) We start getting delivery of extras based on pre-orders around that time. Like I said, just a guess, but if true I personally appreciate them offering at least this as soon as possible. If you want just the rail I say just wait a bit until .mil gets theirs and then keep on asking G. We have asked for lots of stuff in the past from G and most of the time G listens. |
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These will be going out to USASOC elements only so think SF and Rangers. SOCOM has nothing to do with it.
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I know it’s anyones guess but if the MK 18 gets a Geissele rail too in the future, will that also mean that a DD barrel will be fielded also?
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Originally Posted By LRB45:
I know it’s anyones guess but if the MK 18 gets a Geissele rail too in the future, will that also mean that a DD barrel will be fielded also? View Quote CD |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
To avoid NFA hassle. 14.5" barrel + SF warcomp puts fixed barrel length past 16" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
It's a standalone upper, there's no reason to P&W from a legal standpoint. Should leave it up to the customer and it would speed up getting them out the door at G (and make them slightly cheaper). View Quote |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
It's a standalone upper, there's no reason to P&W from a legal standpoint. Should leave it up to the customer and it would speed up getting them out the door at G (and make them slightly cheaper). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By blindrocket:
On the G Mk16 upper, why is the SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP pinned and welded? There's always the stripped upper for the purists |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
It looks great, and I'll probably get one, but is anyone getting a hint of deja vu here? Did G just turn into DD overnight? I mean, is there something they inject you with when you get a government contract or is it the water at those contract negotiations... cause all of this sounds strangely familiar. Rail available, but not available. Want it on a URG? Here you go! Want the rail by itself? No, sorry. Check. Are the URGs that said rare and coveted rail is available on overpriced? Check. Pricing eerily similar to the pricing structure formerly used by DD? Check. I mean, yes... if you break it down using full retail pricing, it isn't awful, but these are the days of DD Mk18 and M4A1 SOCOM URGs for $600. No one has paid full retail for awhile on much of anything. Minus a rail change and the gas length, this isn't all that different from an M4A1 SOCOM URG that is going for $600 with discounts. For all intents and purposes you could say they are the same upper, with a rail that, while new from G, has in previous iterations actually been less expensive than the RIS II. Not saying it doesn't make good business sense, though - especially while the rail is in huge demand. Assuming a retail on Brownells of $999.99, we can look to pick one up at around $863.99 with discounts. That's a little better... ETA: Oh, shit. Didn't even look at the link yet. I didn't realize they were already available for pre-order. So, $979... with discounts $845 or so. That's not awful considering it's a new product and will have high demand - assuming they don't exclude it from the next 10% coupon. View Quote It seems familiar because, like the case of the DD RIS II at one point, we're not commercially going to be able to get the apparent clone-correct G Mk16 rail without buying some form of assembled upper from the rail manufacturer...at least at first. It sucks on our end, but I'm sure the G House has it's good reasons. Hopefully they offer this thing in the 9.5" version soon. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Don't think so for a Mk18 as we're now talking 10.3" bbl with carbine length gas system. No need for new barrels especially since FN is making new 10.3" SOCOM bbls. The new URGI is only so far 14.5" mid length, contour unknown so far. CD View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Right, but it makes it buy and shoot. And you avoid the trip to ADCO. There's always the stripped upper for the purists View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By blindrocket:
On the G Mk16 upper, why is the SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP pinned and welded? There's always the stripped upper for the purists Also, let's not overlook how they're going to time the Warcomp...if pinned with the indexing lug at 6 o'clock, it's timed for a righty. If timed for neutral or lefty, it's going to be off and that's going to annoy people more than having to source a shop ot P&W. |
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Originally Posted By smitty_007:
Are there many MK18’s in the wild yet with the FN 10.3” barrel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By smitty_007:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Don't think so for a Mk18 as we're now talking 10.3" bbl with carbine length gas system. No need for new barrels especially since FN is making new 10.3" SOCOM bbls. The new URGI is only so far 14.5" mid length, contour unknown so far. CD |
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Without blood, it doesn't count! I survived ARFbortion2016 and all I got was this stupid sigline |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Yes, but look at the 87-bazillion <16" uppers out there. You rarely ever hear about someone not buying an upper because it wasn't P&W. Most folks these days (especially those that these uppers are marketed towards) either have a pistol config or SBR lower in the collection. Also, let's not overlook how they're going to time the Warcomp...if pinned with the indexing lug at 6 o'clock, it's timed for a righty. If timed for neutral or lefty, it's going to be off and that's going to annoy people more than having to source a shop ot P&W. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By blindrocket:
On the G Mk16 upper, why is the SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP pinned and welded? There's always the stripped upper for the purists Also, let's not overlook how they're going to time the Warcomp...if pinned with the indexing lug at 6 o'clock, it's timed for a righty. If timed for neutral or lefty, it's going to be off and that's going to annoy people more than having to source a shop ot P&W. Would be cool if they at least offered a lefty pin/weld option. But at least you can still get the stripped URG and build it up how you want it too right? I guess optimal would be complete URG and pin/weld as an option instead of a mandatory for the full URG. IDK, but at least there's the stripped option too tho. Throw a Colt BCG and M.D. of your choice on and wha-bam |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
I think he said not long ago he re-barreled one with a FN barrel. Or maybe just that was what his last shipment was and hasn't replaced one yet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By smitty_007:
Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Don't think so for a Mk18 as we're now talking 10.3" bbl with carbine length gas system. No need for new barrels especially since FN is making new 10.3" SOCOM bbls. The new URGI is only so far 14.5" mid length, contour unknown so far. CD |
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Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Are Toolcraft BCG's any good? I've only ever owned DD and Colt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Are Toolcraft BCG's any good? I've only ever owned DD and Colt. Originally Posted By CloneDiseased:
The Mk16 thing isn't the first military contract Geissele has held, so it's not a contract thing specifically. It seems familiar because, like the case of the DD RIS II at one point, we're not commercially going to be able to get the apparent clone-correct G Mk16 rail without buying some form of assembled upper from the rail manufacturer...at least at first. It sucks on our end, but I'm sure the G House has it's good reasons. Hopefully they offer this thing in the 9.5" version soon. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Ahh I didn't realize the lefty issue there. I will say a 14.5 with a pistol brace kind of blows, but true on the SBR thing. Its perfect from my point of view (pin/weld and right handed) but shitty for yours (because SBR and I forgot you're a lefty) Would be cool if they at least offered a lefty pin/weld option. But at least you can still get the stripped URG and build it up how you want it too right? I guess optimal would be complete URG and pin/weld as an option instead of a mandatory for the full URG. IDK, but at least there's the stripped option too tho. Throw a Colt BCG and M.D. of your choice on and wha-bam View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By blindrocket:
On the G Mk16 upper, why is the SureFire SOCOM WARCOMP pinned and welded? There's always the stripped upper for the purists Also, let's not overlook how they're going to time the Warcomp...if pinned with the indexing lug at 6 o'clock, it's timed for a righty. If timed for neutral or lefty, it's going to be off and that's going to annoy people more than having to source a shop ot P&W. Would be cool if they at least offered a lefty pin/weld option. But at least you can still get the stripped URG and build it up how you want it too right? I guess optimal would be complete URG and pin/weld as an option instead of a mandatory for the full URG. IDK, but at least there's the stripped option too tho. Throw a Colt BCG and M.D. of your choice on and wha-bam Agree that the brace thing sucks, but it's better than bare buffer tube. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count! I survived ARFbortion2016 and all I got was this stupid sigline |
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Squirrel and others- don't buy the complete urg-i. Dem deets be flowing in that the SF4P will be on the actual issued upper, and SF3P on the civilian models just like were used to. Supposedly the warcomp was some kind of stand-in Brownells used. So I would hold off on the full URG View Quote |
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Without blood, it doesn't count! I survived ARFbortion2016 and all I got was this stupid sigline |
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For those of us that are purists- you might want to buy the stripped urg-i. Dem deets be flowing in that the SF4P will be on the actual issued upper, and SF3P on the civilian models just like were used to. Supposedly the warcomp was some kind of stand-in Brownells used. So I would hold off on the full URG https://i.imgur.com/O3pi0a9.png View Quote |
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Without blood, it doesn't count! I survived ARFbortion2016 and all I got was this stupid sigline |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
What you did there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For those of us that are purists- you might want to buy the stripped urg-i. Dem deets be flowing in that the SF4P will be on the actual issued upper, and SF3P on the civilian models just like were used to. Supposedly the warcomp was some kind of stand-in Brownells used. So I would hold off on the full URG https://i.imgur.com/O3pi0a9.png But most importantly, @spooled ,get the stripped URG. Not the warcomp/sf3p/whatever pin/weld |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Lol! I felt bad killing off Bill's complete URG business, had to re-word it a bit. But most importantly, @spooled ,get the stripped URG. Not the warcomp pin/weld View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For those of us that are purists- you might want to buy the stripped urg-i. Dem deets be flowing in that the SF4P will be on the actual issued upper, and SF3P on the civilian models just like were used to. Supposedly the warcomp was some kind of stand-in Brownells used. So I would hold off on the full URG https://i.imgur.com/O3pi0a9.png But most importantly, @spooled ,get the stripped URG. Not the warcomp pin/weld |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Bill just called the production line and said, "Don't worry guys, he reworded it. You can start up again. Whew!" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For those of us that are purists- you might want to buy the stripped urg-i. Dem deets be flowing in that the SF4P will be on the actual issued upper, and SF3P on the civilian models just like were used to. Supposedly the warcomp was some kind of stand-in Brownells used. So I would hold off on the full URG https://i.imgur.com/O3pi0a9.png But most importantly, @spooled ,get the stripped URG. Not the warcomp pin/weld Zip it peanut gallery! |
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