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Link Posted: 12/13/2021 1:48:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy:
I’m not sure what that means, I know of a bunch of PJ units that got them approved by Guardian Angel as a Unit purchase and that’s what they’re running. So technically yes, your DDC uppers and Geissele barrels are clone correct if you want to clone a PJ URG-I.
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I mean that they are commercial URG-Is or whatever you want to call them, not part of the URG-I program through USASOC. Not saying they aren't used by any .mil, just not actual "URG-Is".

Originally Posted By Badger52:
I seem to recall CD saying quite awhile ago that there were really only 3 buffer setups in inventory; the rifle, the H2 w/std carbine spring, and some hybrid (NFI).  Why is the Good Idea Faerie playing with buffers again, or did I miss something?
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Apparently, Guardian Angel is buying Geissele enhanced bolt carriers, upper receivers, barrels, braided action springs, and H3 buffers. Likely without testing or anything.

Originally Posted By henryfrank:

This is really interesting. Would the original PJ ones have been with the DD barrels and are just now using the Geissele barrels, or have the barrels always been Geissele?
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Geissele didn't make barrels until after those original 10.3"s showed up in pics.
Link Posted: 12/13/2021 8:46:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
Apparently, Guardian Angel is buying Geissele enhanced bolt carriers, upper receivers, barrels, braided action springs, and H3 buffers. Likely without testing or anything.
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Thanks sir.  Sounds like "if it aiin't broke fix it till it is"

errata:  I still like your avatar.  Replace dirt with sand and it'd be me qualifying on a Ft Ord beach range in a galaxy far, far away.

Link Posted: 12/13/2021 11:57:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Badger52:
I seem to recall CD saying quite awhile ago that there were really only 3 buffer setups in inventory; the rifle, the H2 w/std carbine spring, and some hybrid (NFI).  Why is the Good Idea Faerie playing with buffers again, or did I miss something?

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Rifle, H2 current (preplaced H) and the H6 for 20" rifles with collapsible stocks.


CD
Link Posted: 12/14/2021 8:03:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:...and the H6 for 20" rifles with collapsible stocks.


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Thanks Chief, that's the one that eluded me.
Link Posted: 12/14/2021 11:31:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:


I mean that they are commercial URG-Is or whatever you want to call them, not part of the URG-I program through USASOC. Not saying they aren't used by any .mil, just not actual "URG-Is".



Apparently, Guardian Angel is buying Geissele enhanced bolt carriers, upper receivers, barrels, braided action springs, and H3 buffers. Likely without testing or anything.



Geissele didn't make barrels until after those original 10.3"s showed up in pics.
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Ah, good catch. Must mean there are both DD and Geissele barreled versions being used then. Thanks
Link Posted: 12/14/2021 3:16:57 PM EST
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Side question, how are those Geissele barreled urgi’s doing? Seen them popping up in a few classifieds and kinda want one to play with. I know they originally weren’t too well received. Is that still the consensus?
Link Posted: 12/14/2021 3:42:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Boduke0220:
Side question, how are those Geissele barreled urgi’s doing? Seen them popping up in a few classifieds and kinda want one to play with. I know they originally weren’t too well received. Is that still the consensus?
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Fwiw, my G super duty rifles are sub-moa, and very soft shooting.
I think people have more of an issue with the coating that G puts on their barrels, not the accuracy or reliability.
Link Posted: 12/14/2021 9:12:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By iasc300ia:


Fwiw, my G super duty rifles are sub-moa, and very soft shooting.
I think people have more of an issue with the coating that G puts on their barrels, not the accuracy or reliability.
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Early impressions are very soft shooting with 193.  Will advise on accuracy shortly, after it eats some mk262.
Link Posted: 12/17/2021 3:19:15 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/17/2021 3:45:45 PM EST
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How do you like the NX8?  I’m torn between that or a Gen IIE Razor 1-6.
Link Posted: 12/17/2021 10:10:06 PM EST
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Have any ACOGs like a TA31 or anything been seen in the wild?
Link Posted: 12/18/2021 8:29:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DominicanGalil:
Have any ACOGs like a TA31 or anything been seen in the wild?
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One ECOS and a TA01
Link Posted: 12/18/2021 3:08:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By india13c:


One ECOS and a TA01
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Thank you so much!
Link Posted: 12/18/2021 7:15:55 PM EST
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Factory DD Barrel upper. Just got the Atacr in Yesterday. Really like this combo.

https://imgur.com/a/dhxMi5n
Link Posted: 12/18/2021 11:31:35 PM EST
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Waiting on 4 prongs (been backordered since Aug), G DDC Sopmod Vortex Mount in route and my 14.5" DD Barrel I think RKUSA fucked me on. The 2nd one wearing the NX8 has and will keep a C marked 14.5" Colt Socom barrel just because I fucking love those barrels.........The 10.3 sports the correct DD barrel and factory GB while the 11.5 has a BCM BFH barrel until a proper DD comes available...........









Link Posted: 12/19/2021 12:37:38 AM EST
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Noice
Link Posted: 12/20/2021 2:04:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GoRebels:
Waiting on 4 prongs (been backordered since Aug), G DDC Sopmod Vortex Mount in route and my 14.5" DD Barrel I think RKUSA fucked me on. The 2nd one wearing the NX8 has and will keep a C marked 14.5" Colt Socom barrel just because I fucking love those barrels.........The 10.3 sports the correct DD barrel and factory GB while the 11.5 has a BCM BFH barrel until a proper DD comes available...........




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Two Fridays ago, Surefire had the 4 prongs listed as in stock and then out of stock again, but even when in stock, had the, "Contact Dealer" link, rather than direct sales, "Buy Now" option.

I've been waiting for them to show up at some of the dealers' websites.

Maybe it's the holiday shipping slowing them down.

Maybe they were in stock, sold, but haven't been shipped yet.

I was surprised to see them listed as in stock, but it didn't last long.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start showing up this week.
Link Posted: 12/20/2021 2:10:07 AM EST
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ETA: Apparently I don't know how to post pics...
Link Posted: 12/20/2021 10:52:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ondutyprecision:
https://imgur.com/Zw4zODs

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Link Posted: 12/20/2021 12:25:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor:


Two Fridays ago, Surefire had the 4 prongs listed as in stock and then out of stock again, but even when in stock, had the, "Contact Dealer" link, rather than direct sales, "Buy Now" option.

I've been waiting for them to show up at some of the dealers' websites.

Maybe it's the holiday shipping slowing them down.

Maybe they were in stock, sold, but haven't been shipped yet.

I was surprised to see them listed as in stock, but it didn't last long.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start showing up this week.
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That would be nice. I'm waiting on a big back order through DSG from July.
Link Posted: 12/20/2021 7:46:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:


That would be nice. I'm waiting on a big back order through DSG from July.
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SAME!!
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 5:05:55 AM EST
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After a long 8-9 months of waiting for the right barrel, finally finished off the URGI upper.  I was even able to get a 4 prong at a reasonable price before the barrel.  Also got lucky with the recent Geissele BF sale, and got a NSN marked mk16 rail that is a darker, more orange color than most other DDC rails.

Link Posted: 12/21/2021 5:18:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ondutyprecision:
https://imgur.com/Zw4zODs

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@ondutyprecision

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Picture_posting_tutorial_and_PICTURE_test_thread/168-638569/?

I recommend imgur.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 5:39:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rpoL98:
Originally Posted By ondutyprecision:
https://imgur.com/Zw4zODs

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@ondutyprecision

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Picture_posting_tutorial_and_PICTURE_test_thread/168-638569/?

I recommend imgur.


He is using imgur. The reason why his pic isn't displaying is probably because of the link he is trying to use. For example, the first link below is using the link from the "copy link" button when you hover over a post and the second is from the three dot menu, get share links, and BBcode (forums) option. This option is already formatted for forums and the link is a different link than just posting the hyperlink or using the image tags.



Link Posted: 12/21/2021 8:31:12 AM EST
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or.... paying members get photo storage ;-)


Link Posted: 12/21/2021 11:23:26 AM EST
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I think I am finally done with this one.  The base rifle has been finished for a while but I’ve had a few different optics and lights along the way.  

For optics it’s had an Aimpoint CompM4s, Razor 1-10, Aimpoint T2, and then a Sig Tango MSR as a placeholder.  For lights it’s bounced back and forth between a Surefire M300 and M600.

For what I think will be the final configuration it now has a Razor Gen IIE 1-6 with JM-1 reticle in a Badger C1 1.7 height mount.  The light is a Surefire M600U in an Arisaka mount with DS00 tail cap and Modlite ModButton lite switch.  



Link Posted: 12/21/2021 11:29:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By HD2006:
I think I am finally done with this one.  The base rifle has been finished for a while but I’ve had a few different optics and lights along the way.  

For optics it’s had an Aimpoint CompM4s, Razor 1-10, Aimpoint T2, and then a Sig Tango MSR as a placeholder.  For lights it’s bounced back and forth between a Surefire M300 and M600.

For what I think will be the final configuration it now has a Razor Gen IIE 1-6 with JM-1 reticle in a Badger C1 1.7 height mount.  The light is a Surefire M600U in an Arisaka mount with DS00 tail cap and Modlite ModButton lite switch.  

https://i.imgur.com/k5rvI1F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rXIdRnf.jpg
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Nice, how do you like the Razor 1-6 compared to the Razor 1-10?
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 11:44:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FONTY:

Nice, how do you like the Razor 1-6 compared to the Razor 1-10?
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Originally Posted By FONTY:
Originally Posted By HD2006:
I think I am finally done with this one.  The base rifle has been finished for a while but I’ve had a few different optics and lights along the way.  

For optics it’s had an Aimpoint CompM4s, Razor 1-10, Aimpoint T2, and then a Sig Tango MSR as a placeholder.  For lights it’s bounced back and forth between a Surefire M300 and M600.

For what I think will be the final configuration it now has a Razor Gen IIE 1-6 with JM-1 reticle in a Badger C1 1.7 height mount.  The light is a Surefire M600U in an Arisaka mount with DS00 tail cap and Modlite ModButton lite switch.  

https://i.imgur.com/k5rvI1F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rXIdRnf.jpg

Nice, how do you like the Razor 1-6 compared to the Razor 1-10?


I like it a lot better honestly.  With LPVO’s I’ve come to prefer second focal plane reticles.  To me, the 1-6 seems to have more forgiving eye relief and eye box.  I also like that while the illumination is Aimpoint bright, I don’t have to rely on it at 1x like I did with the 1-10.  
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 11:45:15 AM EST
[#29]
Part of me still wants to hold out and see if NF will release the ATACR in FDE, but the other part of me is reminded by just how awesome the Razor 1-6 looks on the URG-I - it just looks like a perfect match both in terms of functionality and looks.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 2:20:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Part of me still wants to hold out and see if NF will release the ATACR in FDE, but the other part of me is reminded by just how awesome the Razor 1-6 looks on the URG-I - it just looks like a perfect match both in terms of functionality and looks.
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Hold strong brother. At least until after shot show, maybe we will get lucky.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 2:23:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Omega9000:


Hold strong brother. At least until after shot show, maybe we will get lucky.
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Originally Posted By Omega9000:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Part of me still wants to hold out and see if NF will release the ATACR in FDE, but the other part of me is reminded by just how awesome the Razor 1-6 looks on the URG-I - it just looks like a perfect match both in terms of functionality and looks.


Hold strong brother. At least until after shot show, maybe we will get lucky.

Watch, they'll release the ATACR in FDE, but not the Ultramount...
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 3:36:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

Watch, they'll release the ATACR in FDE, but not the Ultramount...
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That would be a tragedy. That the only mount make the ATACR look of reasonable size since it was built for it. I'm only waiting on the mount but the option to get a tano ATACR is also nice.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 10:24:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: xxflyingturtlexx] [#33]
They will not release jack s*it in fde i tell you guys. There might be a reason why it is so hard to do it but they are not sharing it. I spoke with a customer rep when doing a warranty work on my atacr and i was told they hear it and relate the message to whoever the hell they do.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 10:32:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx:
They will not release jack s*it in fde i tell you guys. There might be a reason why it is so hard to do it but they are not sharing it. I spoke with a customer rep when doing a warranty work on my atacr and i was told they hear it and relate the message to whoever the hell they do.
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I emailed the mil sales guy a month ago and asked.  He said they’re hoping to sell them in 2022 but every fde ATACR they can make right now is already obligated to the government.  

He never answered about the ultramount, so who knows.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 10:37:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx:
They will not release jack s*it in fde i tell you guys. There might be a reason why it is so hard to do it but they are not sharing it. I spoke with a customer rep when doing a warranty work on my atacr and i was told they hear it and relate the message to whoever the hell they do.
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Ever see the eleventy variations of FDE on G-rails? Anodizing, especially FDE it seems, isn't super consistent. Maybe they either don't want to deal with us civvies bitching that the mag ring is a slightly different shade than the elevation turret. Or maybe they did find a way to do it and it's super expensive (though that cost could be driven down by selling more units on the .civ market). Or maybe even scrap parts that don't fall within a certain range of FDE.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 11:00:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:

Ever see the eleventy variations of FDE on G-rails? Anodizing, especially FDE it seems, isn't super consistent. Maybe they either don't want to deal with us civvies bitching that the mag ring is a slightly different shade than the elevation turret. Or maybe they did find a way to do it and it's super expensive (though that cost could be driven down by selling more units on the .civ market). Or maybe even scrap parts that don't fall within a certain range of FDE.
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For sure; all reasonable. Heck, i have 2 fde scars one is certainly green, i understand. I can’t seem to figure out how difficult it could be to make, lets say 100 extra units in fde and 100 less units in black… I don’t know how it could impact their production.

They are very good people to deal with so i don’t think they are maliciously holding those back. Maybe it does not fit into their business interest or maybe they just can’t as per agreement. Who knows.
Link Posted: 12/21/2021 11:17:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx:


For sure; all reasonable. Heck, i have 2 fde scars one is certainly green, i understand. I can’t seem to figure out how difficult it could be to make, lets say 100 extra units in fde and 100 less units in black… I don’t know how it could impact their production.

They are very good people to deal with so i don’t think they are maliciously holding those back. Maybe it does not fit into their business interest or maybe they just can’t as per agreement. Who knows.
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Originally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:

Ever see the eleventy variations of FDE on G-rails? Anodizing, especially FDE it seems, isn't super consistent. Maybe they either don't want to deal with us civvies bitching that the mag ring is a slightly different shade than the elevation turret. Or maybe they did find a way to do it and it's super expensive (though that cost could be driven down by selling more units on the .civ market). Or maybe even scrap parts that don't fall within a certain range of FDE.


For sure; all reasonable. Heck, i have 2 fde scars one is certainly green, i understand. I can’t seem to figure out how difficult it could be to make, lets say 100 extra units in fde and 100 less units in black… I don’t know how it could impact their production.

They are very good people to deal with so i don’t think they are maliciously holding those back. Maybe it does not fit into their business interest or maybe they just can’t as per agreement. Who knows.

I wonder if they handle anodizing in-house. If they do, they might not have the production capability to do FDE as well and it gets farmed out. That would obviously add to the cost and time (which is also a cost).
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 7:46:14 AM EST
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I’m going to laugh if they release the FDE ATACR with the BDC that they issue. Dudes are going to buy them and hate them because of how the BDC is designed. I wish that they would’ve just given us the ones available off the shelf and made them tan
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 8:09:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TBone556:
I’m going to laugh if they release the FDE ATACR with the BDC that they issue. Dudes are going to buy them and hate them because of how the BDC is designed. I wish that they would’ve just given us the ones available off the shelf and made them tan
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Can confirm, BDC reticle sucks. The DMx is a great reticle and FDE is just a rattle can away....
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 8:18:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog:


Can confirm, BDC reticle sucks. The DMx is a great reticle and FDE is just a rattle can away....
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog:
Originally Posted By TBone556:
I'm going to laugh if they release the FDE ATACR with the BDC that they issue. Dudes are going to buy them and hate them because of how the BDC is designed. I wish that they would've just given us the ones available off the shelf and made them tan


Can confirm, BDC reticle sucks. The DMx is a great reticle and FDE is just a rattle can away....
Why does  the BDC reticle suck?
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 9:36:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog:


Can confirm, BDC reticle sucks. The DMx is a great reticle and FDE is just a rattle can away....
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Sums up my thoughts.
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 10:38:09 AM EST
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Why does  the BDC reticle suck?
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Originally Posted By Theodoric:
Originally Posted By oldbrowndog:
Originally Posted By TBone556:
I'm going to laugh if they release the FDE ATACR with the BDC that they issue. Dudes are going to buy them and hate them because of how the BDC is designed. I wish that they would've just given us the ones available off the shelf and made them tan


Can confirm, BDC reticle sucks. The DMx is a great reticle and FDE is just a rattle can away....
Why does  the BDC reticle suck?

Would also like to know why this specific BDC sucks?

Honestly, just curious as I've never obviously used it so I have no clue why it sucks.
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 12:15:54 PM EST
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I could only see an issue if there are any electrical components where lead times in supply chain are increased significantly due to worldwide shortages. If they are outsourcing the anodizing, that too is an addition to lead time and cost. but considering the Ultramount doesn't need any electrical parts, not sure why that is kept to .mil sales only. Hopefully SHOT will be good to us, but I don't expect much by how supply chain issues are plaguing several industries.
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 1:27:03 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/22/2021 6:36:34 PM EST
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Got a chance to really try out the scope today and I love it.  I should have bought a Razor a long time ago.  I was able to run it in a shooting bay from 50 yards up to CQB distances and separately on steel out to about 600 yards.  It never missed a beat.  1x was great and shooting steel on 6x was easy.  



Link Posted: 12/22/2021 6:43:46 PM EST
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This is how mine turned out.  I’m waiting on my old school NF 1-4x24 as I think that will be just about perfect for my needs.

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Link Posted: 12/22/2021 6:53:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Part of me still wants to hold out and see if NF will release the ATACR in FDE, but the other part of me is reminded by just how awesome the Razor 1-6 looks on the URG-I - it just looks like a perfect match both in terms of functionality and looks.
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Just get what you can now, if you are like me you will want something different in a year or two.
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 7:11:26 PM EST
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Has there been any confirmation to date of the use of the 10.3" and if they are using the DD barrel if they are?
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 7:20:38 PM EST
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Has there been any confirmation to date of the use of the 10.3" and if they are using the DD barrel if they are?
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Only for PJ’s
Link Posted: 12/22/2021 7:54:39 PM EST
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Just get what you can now, if you are like me you will want something different in a year or two.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Part of me still wants to hold out and see if NF will release the ATACR in FDE, but the other part of me is reminded by just how awesome the Razor 1-6 looks on the URG-I - it just looks like a perfect match both in terms of functionality and looks.
Just get what you can now, if you are like me you will want something different in a year or two.

Good advice.
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