Do not sell.

Submitted my question here and got a response the next day.

https://www.leupold.com/contact/ask-a-leupold-expert/

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Sorry to hear that.  That rifle is amazing.

Thanks, it will be going to a good home.  I love the clones but I don't think it does the upper any justice just to sit in the safe and not see daylight.

Dobrze Sir!!

This is who I emailed for my turret change

[email protected]

Any word on the new retro PRI wheeled fsb's?

Seems like 2 out of the 3 sets of ARMS 22H rings I have don't get enough grab on the upper receiver rail, and I have to keep pushing them forward. Any suggestions besides replacing them? One set are true NLS, so I want to keep them.

Fuck that, photobucket want $400 to upgrade for 3rd party usage. Sorry, no pics to wet ya whistles.

I want to say folks have mentioned coke can shims and such. You can pull apart the levers and shim a little to give more "bite"

Yea I was using little pieces of cardboard and it worked till you go to take it off. Then its a pain to set back up. Defeats the purpose of quick detach, might as well put NXS rings on. I'm hoping somebody knows a way to adjust the tension or something, cause I don't see a way. I guess ill try that beer can idea, thank you. Also, I will be submitting whatever it is you submit for an AEM5 and 30 next month, so I'm pretty siked. At least LEO's can get stamps for cans in NY. That along with an A1 lower and I am donezo

Aluminum foil

Foil gum wrappers work perfectly.

I've been going back and forth about this.. Will this be doable..?? LEUPOLD MARK 4 MRT 2-5-8X36 M2 RIFLE SCOPE 30MM TUBE ILLUM TMR 67925

It works for me. Some the straight 100% fanatical purists will be like " Not mil-dot...huuuuurrrrrrr" lol. But, the outside appearance are identical.
Mine is still waiting on a few parts.
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I gotta say.. That do look nice there brother. IONO tho, I'm just not a Mil-Dot kinda guy..

I was in the Mk12 Mod 0 and 1 pic thread from August 2006 but I just looked and the pictures are long gone so here:

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I just realized hat the mag in the top two pics is one that came from Iraq circa 2007. A Friend of a Friend and all that.

That upper was assembled by WES with parts I sent him except for the BCG. The lower was my doing. It arrived the Friday after Katrina hit. I had him overnight it because I had family down there with serious security issues and they knew I was a 'gun guy'. Not that I would have shot anyone at scope-needed distances, but better to have and not need and all that. The Algiers Militia kinda helped quell some of the lootlums. Anyway......

And this is the dedicated.22 Mod1 I just built:
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It uses a 261 bolt carrier group and Douglass barrel from CLE. Everything else is full on Mk12 goodness.  I even have my KAC 'stripped lower' on there ;)

The pic on the hood is my favorite.

Thanks. You know, when I took that pic it was sort of a dreary day. It was after the 12th came in so probably late 2006. I was off work and was at my job site on am off day.  I could do some limited shooting there and just hang out away miles from the nearest habitation. That is my old 2004 Jetta TDI it's sitting on. Everywhere I've posted that pic people love it. I don't know if it's the background, the paintjob, the car hood ornament aura or what.  It is one of my favorite pictures of that rifle.

All I can imagine while looking at it, is it loosing it's traction and sliding off the hood gouging the paint and taking a nose dive in the dirt.

Them bitches fine. 

I gotta ask, what pistol grip is that? That rifle is sexy!

Looks like a Sierra Precision

Correct. Sierra Precision.  I also have them on my SR25 and my .22LR Mk12.  I really like it.

As for the hood pic:  it's hard to see but the bipod feet are a little textured from a cement shooting bench and the hood has a fine coating of cement dust from the road into there being topped with cement truck washout. I tested the coefficient of friction before I backed away for a picture.  

Funny note:  when I first got the 12th model I kept it in a sock that had a lot of CLP on it, a sort of poor man's gunsock. I was in my living room one night and decided to take it out and do a night fire.  I picked up the sock, by the wrong end, and my two day old(in my hands) can fell out and landed sideways on my tea mug, putting a nice little dent in that 304 stainless outer tube.  I almost cried :D. That dent is still there after a couple thousand rounds and 11 years.   It has dents on the front end, but these things fell of mountains in Afghanistan so I figure it can take it.

Feel free to ask about the rifle, the paintjob or whatever.  I plan in doing a video for Youtube when I get back home in a couple weeks on that rifle and the .22 version. I'll definitely post a link here.

If it's not already spilled, who got it!!??

NOT a Mk12, but you may be able to fill me in on a question.  

It's a Grendel parts bin build.  Very impressed so far.  Utility and handling feel perfect.  

Can any of you guys give me any information on the A1 stock?  Plastic butt pad, metal trap door, and rough finish

http://i63.tinypic.com/t56mtc.jpg

What are you wanting to know exactly?  Appears to be a Type E A1 buttstock.

Need to see the sling swivel, but it looks USGI.

If it's a trapdoor then that's what is usually referred to as an E pattern stock. The older D pattern had a solid butt and a 2-piece sling swivel.

When it was made?  Is there any significance that someone else may appreciate more.  I have an issue with holding a good cheek weld when sweating profusely, which is normal in AL.  I might also build a little cheek height with a little padding to get a better NPA.  

If not significant for someone's clone build, I'll make minor modifications to it.  The length and fit works for me.

It's significant for anyone building a Mk12 or an M16A1 clone.

I'd throw it up in the EE, if it's in good condition with no cracks it'll go in no time flat.


Now if you still like the fit and all, buy a Fulton/Cavarms A1 from fulton armory and modify it. Same dimensions but with modern polymers for the stock.

We have a Czech guy in the house?

NF 2.5-10x24 has arrived...    As a bonus, lets me got back to the A1 stock over the A2.

Just some quick crappy cell pics, will have to order some more Aervoe as I'm out of both Sand and EB - and then put up some proper pics. :)

112633 will be in the EE soon...

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Have a bit of a dilemma here, maybe you guys can help me out.

I was excited to get in on the batch of M16A1 lowers that Brownells had last month for full price, $150 for my mod 1 clone. I have had that squirreled away in the safe until I can collect all the parts to do the build all at once. I noticed Brownells still has them in stock on their website, however they are the blem model with the safety markings on the right side where it should be blank, they are selling for $125. This got me thinking that I never did pay attention to the lower I got. I checked it out and sure enough they sent me blem model for the full $150 price when I purchased it as a non blem model.

I contacted their customer service and got this back:

So it's good they are willing to do a full refund. I'm still upset though as I was looking for a non blem good to go A1 lower.

My options:
Get full refund on the blem lower and wait god knows how long for Nodak or Brownells to get regular A1 lowers back in stock
Ask for partial refund and get $25 refunded and use the blem as it is with markings on the wrong side. Sucks to pay such a premium for a lower and have it not correct.
Ask for partial refund and send it off to be engraved with "GM Hydramatic" markings on the left side and ask them to fill in the blem markings on the right side. (I think this option looks appealing, Anyone have a good contact for these engravings and cost for filling in the wrong markings?)

The lower looks fine.  I'd call and see if I could get a $25 refund or maybe a store credit.  If not I'd bitch a little and then keep it.

Man, I've been really hesitant to post in this thread other than to ask questions because there are some huge flaws in my "build", but here it goes.  

First of all, I don't have the right barrel.  I've had this 20" HBAR that I've always wanted to do something with because it's a really good barrel and produced some pretty good groups when I had it in another rifle.

Second, the scope is a bit of a problem.  The Mark 4 2.5-8x36mm costs about $1,800-2,200 in Canadastan, if I can even find it.  Getting it from the US is not an option because of ITAR, so a few pages back, I asked how badly I would be shunned for using the far less expensive VX-3 Patrol 3-9x40mm, 30mm main tube.  The reply was friendly and I was told to basically use whatever I could get my hands on/afford, upgrade later when possible.  I like the Patrol except for the fat version of the TMR.  I wish the lines were thinner, but I don't exactly want to pay the price.  I was also wondering if the Mark 4 2.5-8x36mm comes in mil/mil adjustments, and is it available in first focal plane?  Just what I'm used to.

Anyway, I'm in the middle of this thing and still waiting out for a bunch of other stuff, so here's what I got so far, please be gentle:



The ARMS #22 high rings in 30mm.  For the price, I think I would have preferred a unitized mount, but the parts list calls for these.  They seem well constructed, and pretty solid.  I've had the ARMS M14 mount as well as a few Surefire mounts in the past, so I'm familiar with their quality.  



A collection of all the parts I have so far.  Still missing the KAC RAS handguard, the lower and lower parts kit (actually, I have an LPK, just forgot to throw it in for the picture), and the KAC front sight.  I wonder if I'll end up getting the clone-correct barrel and scope one day....Also forgot to pull the Colt f/a BCG out of the upper for the photo, but it's there.





The ARMS #22 tactical ring cap.  The place I sourced it from was actually out of rails, so I may just rig any spare rail I have in my parts bin to fit.




The KAC 600m rear back up sight.  I've had this for ages and never even opened the package until now.



The Allen Engineering brake and collar.



My buddy Hermes gave me this A2 fixed buttstock from his spare parts bin.  It's missing some hardware like the screws and sling loop, so I had to order those in.  Also forgot to take a picture of the rifle length buffer and receiver extension.  I'll probably use the A2 until I can find a cheap A1.



I've still got the A2 birdcage on the barrel, but it's only there as a thread protector.  I probably won't mount the Allen Engineering brake and collar until the KAC hand guard shows up.




The lower from my Mk18 clone that I'm using for test fit.  The KAC SR-15 stripped lowers still haven't been shipped yet, so the lower build will have to wait.  As a note, the Aero Precision upper is a seamless fit to the Colt LE6920 lower.  I know the Aero upper is probably faux pas as well, but there is absolutely no wobble whatsoever, as if the Aero upper and Colt lower were machined together.  I hope that the upper fits the same on the KAC lower when it comes in, and when my OCD gets the best of me, I'll try to source out a Colt or Diemaco upper.











The 600m KAC back up iron sight which may never see any use (along with the uber expensive front sight).  Just very pretty and very expensive decorations on a range toy.  Don't mind me, just grumbling about the price because I'm cheap.  I've actually had to resort to back up iron signs at a 3 gun match last year, so it was definitely better to have them.





The Badger Ordinance tac latch isn't clone correct, but it was the only charging handle I had in the spare parts bin, so when I get around to it, I'll order a PRI one.




The ARMS #22 rings mount firmly to the rails,  The torque does not appear to be adjustable as with some other manufactures like American Defence Manufacturing, but they don't really need any adjustment and fit perfectly.



Using the bubble level set I got from my buddy Collin, I tried my best to match the scope to the rifle.  I basically had the barrel (no hand guard yet) sitting on a large beanbag and carefully tightened the screws while watching the bubbles.







The torque specs for the ARMS #22 ring screws called for 12-14 inch pounds, which seem awfully low compared to other manufactures, but hey, if that's what is called for, then so be it.  Besides, there's not that much recoil anyway, and once torqued to spec, the scope body doesn't seem like it's going to move.

That's it for now, hopefully some more parts show up soon :)

IIRC - the "blem" assignment only reflects the incorrect ambi markings - it's otherwise good to go.  Due to the irregularity Brownell's has stock on these (they are waiting same other vendors - same manf is providing all) - I would suggest running it and ask for $25 refund.  You can always change it out later when A1's are back in stock.  Or better yet just return it and grab a KAC Stripped Lower from OP.

As for engraving/filling - I believe that can only be done on 80% lowers, but you can contact @Braceman to find out for certain.

You'll probably get some flak over the barrel - the barrel/handguard/brake/AEM5 are the essence of the MK12 in most eyes) but you gotta run what you got/can get, so as mentioned in the other replies something is better than nothing.  I'll still say you'd be better off finding a 3.5-10 if the prices are doable over that VX (should be quite a bit less than the 2.5x8) and be correct, but as always they are a work in progress.

Honestly you'll prob get worse over the stolen USMC KAC Rear than anything :).

To me, a mod one doesn't look right without a x24. Nicely done!

Yeah, the 20" barrel is probably going to look a bit weird in the rifle, but I read that these were originally intended as a 20" barrel, but because the navy did not want to procure another 20" barrel (M16 was already 20") they switched it to the 18"?  Anyway, I'll try to source the proper Douglas barrel when I can.  I really just wanted to do something with this 20" barrel because it actually produces some pretty good groups.

I was thinking about other options for the scope....this is a good one:

http://www.nordicmarksman.com/Mark-4-LRT-35-10x40-Ilum-TMR-M1.html

It does however appear to be in a similar price point as the 2.5-8x36mm.  I'm also not sure I can, in good conscience, spend $1,995 ($1,601 USD) on a second focal plane scope with MOA adjustments.  I guess the M5 version has mil adjustments:

http://www.nordicmarksman.com/Mark-4-LRT-35-10x40-TMR-M5.html

But $2,295 for a second focal plane scope still seems like robbery to me.  I think I'll keep scanning the EEs of Canadian websites (because I can't buy anything from EE here because of ITAR) for a preferably used and beat up but functional Mark 4.

That rear sight is stolen?  Fuck me, surplus my ass.  Back to the seller it goes.  Was wondering why it was $50 cheaper than retail.

They probably didn't steal it themselves, there are mountains of them floating around in surplus stores, Ebay, Gunbroker, Facebook, etc. It seems at this point NCIS has other fish to fry, and you're in Canada.


As to the barrel, could you get it chopped/profiled down the road? Maybe if it's a shooter you can go ahead and do that.

We tend to give more leeway for folks building clones outside the US, I know various sundry parts can be easier/harder to acquire in other nations, and in some cases impossible because ITAR.

Thanks, I appreciate the kind words, I'll try to source a legit one anyways.  I think the current distributor for KAC stuff in Canada is being transitioned to another vendor, so it might be a while before I can get one.

I've also considered chopping the barrel to the right length, but don't know much about chopping barrels.  Should I do it, or am I taking a chance of jinxing a perfectly good barrel?  

You're not kidding about damn near impossible to source parts.  My Mk18 clone almost had me eating my gun trying to find the correct sling plate.  

I'll try to get this build as close as possible, and get the right parts when the opportunity arises.  At least I'll have a working rifle that should produce sub MOA groups.

Thanks again!

On the barrel, you just need to find a solidly reputed smith. Not sure who you have up there or how that's regulated but I'm sure there has to be someone up there that could chop/crown and add the Ops contour. A 20" should have plenty of meat to do that if that's .749 or so in front of the gas block.

Yeah if that barrel is a shooter I don't know if I would mess with it, BUT I've never had a barrel cut so not sure how it might affect accuracy (if at all).  I will say I was looking to get some work done to a 700 barrel but by the time i added up the shop costs for cutting, threading, crowning, etc it was getting close to a new barrel cost that already had the options I wanted.  Might not be as much for an AR barrel though.  I think a better option would be to keep barrel as is and use (eventually) for a nice 70's Colt HBAR type build when you do get a Douglas or similar for the MK12.

The Other Leupold options look good but yeah prices are just as high, so probably a lot of what us colonists might say about pricing will be way off for you :).  I do recall the posts on the CQB for the MK18, hard to believe how hard it was for you to get such a simple part :(.

Re the USMC sight, yeah KAC states they only sold them to Mil contacts, but a bunch have wound up at various surplus, ebay, online sellers as stated... There are plenty of them out there, my post was somewhat tongue-in-cheek tbh, but at the same time I wouldn't keep it if it were me.  :)

Mk12 Mod1-K

Went and filed my form4 for the AEM5 today. 6.75 turns on that bad boy. I was happy. Can't wait to take it home

Where are the rail covers? It ain't right without them rail covers!!!

Not sure why everyone has trouble with this part. It's really easy to find. If not slightly expensive. Good CS, though.

Rear: https://cqd.net/product/cqd-rear-sling-mount/

Front: https://cqd.net/product/cqd-forward-sling-mount/

Leupold TS30-A2 2.5-8 Illum TMR and ARMS #22 rings. Ordered Medium but have to exchange for High due to BUIS clearance problems.

http://i67.tinypic.com/5f2j6e.jpg

Move to Canada, try, and report back :).

Also Google ITAR.

Sling mounts are ITAR(ded)?