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Posted: 7/23/2010 11:12:45 PM EST
[#1]
Originally Posted By Hokie:
I think you're all getting too wrapped around the axle. If it's an accurized carbine - it's gtg. well, some people are posting their rock rivers with a dms-1 on them and calling them recces |
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Posted: 7/23/2010 11:37:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982]
[#2]
Does mine qualify
If you notice I have always played it safe and called my configs...Recons, rather than this so called Crane Recce rifle aka Seal Recon Rifle. I will say that with a T2 load and given I show up, the MRP 16" cl will shoot right at moa....if I need more accuracy, the SPR will just make an appearance 
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Posted: 7/24/2010 1:37:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: BigFatDog]
[#3]
Originally Posted By hmaverick:
Originally Posted By Hokie:
I think you're all getting too wrapped around the axle. If it's an accurized carbine - it's gtg. well, some people are posting their rock rivers with a dms-1 on them and calling them recces Just for that, I'm putting a long rail on my stainless barreled Rock River  Can someone please point the way to a dealer with a Daniel Defense M4A1 RIS II in stock?
Pic thread pic: the upper from an old project. CMT upper, Noveske 16.1 Recon barrel (early production before pinned gas blocks), Daniel Defense 14.0 Lite rail. 
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Posted: 7/24/2010 8:54:37 AM EST
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Posted: 7/24/2010 9:04:56 AM EST
[#5]
Dang Hokie, that's one sweet rifle!
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/24/2010 4:40:27 PM EST
[#6]
Originally Posted By Taipan:
Dang Hokie, that's one sweet rifle! sweet Hokie
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Posted: 7/25/2010 2:32:05 PM EST
[#7]
This rifle is the definition of "recce". For me at least. |
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Posted: 7/25/2010 3:31:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: ugotbit]
[#8]
Yep, Hokie and Trident are making me want to build one bad...
Is a rifle length URX enough rail to be considered a recce? I think they are a hair over 12 inches... |
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Posted: 7/25/2010 8:32:04 PM EST
[#9]
All my old photo links are now dead, the free space was great while it lasted (!!).
So I'm re-posting my favorite pic of my Krieger 16". 
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IA, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2010 3:19:32 AM EST
[#10]
Originally Posted By hmaverick:
Originally Posted By Hokie:
I think you're all getting too wrapped around the axle. If it's an accurized carbine - it's gtg. well, some people are posting their rock rivers with a dms-1 on them and calling them recces So what qualifies? Please bring me up to date. |
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Posted: 7/26/2010 5:48:01 AM EST
[#11]
Originally Posted By TheMirage:
Originally Posted By hmaverick:
Originally Posted By Hokie:
I think you're all getting too wrapped around the axle. If it's an accurized carbine - it's gtg. well, some people are posting their rock rivers with a dms-1 on them and calling them recces So what qualifies? Please bring me up to date. SEAL Recon rifle |
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Posted: 7/26/2010 6:47:01 AM EST
[#12]
Damn Hokie, with you going back to the Luepold and me upgrading the stock on mine to the UBR, our reeces are almost twins now! 
No can on mine though 
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Posted: 7/26/2010 7:19:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: thebomber]
[#13]
Does this qualify?
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Posted: 7/26/2010 8:29:06 AM EST
[#14]
Here's my recce-ish rifle. (a true recce should have a flash hider instead of a comp, IMHO).
I'll upgrade the glass this fall when GRSC catches up with demand. 
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IA, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2010 9:03:21 AM EST
[#15]
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Originally Posted By TheMirage:
Originally Posted By hmaverick:
Originally Posted By Hokie:
I think you're all getting too wrapped around the axle. If it's an accurized carbine - it's gtg. well, some people are posting their rock rivers with a dms-1 on them and calling them recces So what qualifies? Please bring me up to date. SEAL Recon rifle I gotcha. Based off that 80+ percent of these aren't Recces but closer to Mark 12 rifles with their longer barrels, non-fixed front sight, probably rifle length gas systems. |
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Posted: 7/26/2010 10:38:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: ls4ya]
[#16]
Originally Posted By TheMirage:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Originally Posted By TheMirage:
Originally Posted By hmaverick:
Originally Posted By Hokie:
I think you're all getting too wrapped around the axle. If it's an accurized carbine - it's gtg. well, some people are posting their rock rivers with a dms-1 on them and calling them recces So what qualifies? Please bring me up to date. SEAL Recon rifle I gotcha. Based off that 80+ percent of these aren't Recces but closer to Mark 12 rifles with their longer barrels, non-fixed front sight, probably rifle length gas systems. Actually, I'd venture to say that 90% of the carbines in this thread are 16" mid length barrels. You might want to look through again. |
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Posted: 7/26/2010 11:36:04 AM EST
[#17]
Well as with anything time goes on and better options are available. A 16in mid length is close enough and the main requirements of a recce is a 16in stainless barrel.
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Posted: 7/26/2010 1:46:30 PM EST
[#18]
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Yep, Hokie and Trident are making me want to build one bad... Is a rifle length URX enough rail to be considered a recce? I think they are a hair over 12 inches... DO IT....I have thought about that several times, even thought about asking in the KAC forum if they had thought about doing a SR 15 type with that rail and heavier 16" match grade barrel and have a SR 15 recon. I think you could go big places with a build using the rifle length urx 
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Posted: 7/26/2010 2:09:42 PM EST
[#19]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Yep, Hokie and Trident are making me want to build one bad... Is a rifle length URX enough rail to be considered a recce? I think they are a hair over 12 inches... DO IT....I have thought about that several times, even thought about asking in the KAC forum if they had thought about doing a SR 15 type with that rail and heavier 16" match grade barrel and have a SR 15 recon. I think you could go big places with a build using the rifle length urx
The only thing that's stopped me so far is the install tool. Food for the thread... One of these might be a RECCE 
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Posted: 7/26/2010 4:29:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: ugotbit]
[#20]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Yep, Hokie and Trident are making me want to build one bad... Is a rifle length URX enough rail to be considered a recce? I think they are a hair over 12 inches... DO IT....I have thought about that several times, even thought about asking in the KAC forum if they had thought about doing a SR 15 type with that rail and heavier 16" match grade barrel and have a SR 15 recon. I think you could go big places with a build using the rifle length urx
Somehow I knew you would like that idea.
I have emails in to MSTN and Rainier about other pieces part or a complete upper but no response yet. ETA- Who would be a good place to have assemble the upper if I bought it in pieces? No way I'm dropping the coin on the tool. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2010 5:18:13 PM EST
[#21]
@BigFatDog
Those things are beautiful! How is the VLTOR bipod working out for you? I was thinking of investing in one... |
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Posted: 7/26/2010 5:50:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982]
[#22]
Yeah that is the problem with the URX is the special tool needed and prob. why somebody has not done it yet.
Imagine this recon upper......Vltor Mur stripped upper receiver....URX rifle length rail....Krieger 16" like edwin's w. a KAC TT and QDSS-NT4 can....Colt full circle f/a bcg with the small crane mk 12 mods done to it....and top it off with the baby nxs w. a T-1 in lt724 for secondary use. 
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Posted: 7/26/2010 5:55:39 PM EST
[#23]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Yeah that is the problem with the URX is the special tool needed and prob. why somebody has not done it yet. Imagine this recon upper......Vltor Mur stripped upper receiver....URX rifle length rail....Krieger 16" like edwin's w. a KAC TT and QDSS-NT4 can....Colt full circle f/a bcg with the small crane mk 12 mods done to it....and top it off with the baby nxs w. a T-1 in lt724 for secondary use. Mine was a a Noveske upper, Noveske/MSTN 16in barrel, ionbonded and dimpled, Young N/M carrier ionbonded fitted bolt by MSTN, KAC TT, KAC URX rifle length and a optic I can't afford. I think were on to something here...
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Posted: 7/26/2010 9:22:49 PM EST
[#24]
My ultimate RECCE got sidelined when Daniel Defense stopped making their DD forging marked upper (with laser cut odd numbered t-markings) and lost all hope when Superior Barrels stopped using Lothar Walther Barrels.
I've considered buying a Larue Stealth upper, but would hate to buy it only to replace the rail with something else. Anyway, my next RECCE project is now my RRA Shopping for a rail at the moment...
I really like the Vltor bipod, It's super stable. I also like how it mounts on the sides leaving the bottom of the rail open, and flat, to be braced against cover. Although I'm not running it that way... I was using the Tango Down before I went to the Vltor. I still run Harris on my bolt guns. I haven't tried any of the new claw (GG&G et al) bipods. Good gear is expensive. |
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Posted: 7/26/2010 11:18:59 PM EST
[#25]
Check out the Atlas bipod and I personally think the new styled larue modded BRM-S will be my next.
http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=263 |
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Posted: 7/27/2010 11:20:51 AM EST
[#26]
Originally Posted By BigFatDog:
..and lost all hope when Superior Barrels stopped using Lothar Walther Barrels... I have a recce with a superior dexa LW barrel, and if I had to do it again I would order the barrel from LW direct, then send it to ion bond. Food for thought. |
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Posted: 7/27/2010 12:08:30 PM EST
[#27]
Originally Posted By 98snakebite:
Originally Posted By BigFatDog:
..and lost all hope when Superior Barrels stopped using Lothar Walther Barrels... I have a recce with a superior dexa LW barrel, and if I had to do it again I would order the barrel from LW direct, then send it to ion bond. Food for thought. Why? |
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Posted: 7/27/2010 3:52:56 PM EST
[#28]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Check out the Atlas bipod and I personally think the new styled larue modded BRM-S will be my next. http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=263 That's what I had, but decide I needed the 9"-12" pod. I traded the short one out for the longer one and it's by far my favorite. If I had thought to call first, I would have just ordered it from LaRue with the 9"-12", but it all worked out in the end. |
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Posted: 7/27/2010 4:48:39 PM EST
[#29]
Originally Posted By BigFatDog:
Originally Posted By 98snakebite:
Originally Posted By BigFatDog:
..and lost all hope when Superior Barrels stopped using Lothar Walther Barrels... I have a recce with a superior dexa LW barrel, and if I had to do it again I would order the barrel from LW direct, then send it to ion bond. Food for thought. Why? I have come to the conclusion that superior barrels coating has little to do with its performance. It is a great barrel, I mean GREAT, but I think it has more to do with the LW machining and LW50 low sulfur stainless it is made of. The Larue stealth barrel is essentially the same barrel ion bonded, and there have been accounts of those barrels shooting 25,000+ rounds accurately. My .02. Just get it direct from LW and put cash back in your pocket. YMMV. |
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Posted: 7/29/2010 4:19:44 AM EST
[#30]
Originally Posted By BigFatDog:
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Yep, Hokie and Trident are making me want to build one bad... Is a rifle length URX enough rail to be considered a recce? I think they are a hair over 12 inches... DO IT....I have thought about that several times, even thought about asking in the KAC forum if they had thought about doing a SR 15 type with that rail and heavier 16" match grade barrel and have a SR 15 recon. I think you could go big places with a build using the rifle length urx
The only thing that's stopped me so far is the install tool. Food for the thread... One of these might be a RECCE http://www.bigfatdog.com/forums/VltorFamily.jpg Are those 512's on the first two rifles? Thanks |
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Posted: 7/29/2010 9:30:42 AM EST
[#31]
Originally Posted By JAVO:
Are those 512's on the first two rifles? Thanks Eotech 552 |
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Posted: 7/31/2010 12:11:07 AM EST
[#32]
Top rifle. Now sports a CTR, and I'm debating optics. . . . |
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Posted: 7/31/2010 1:10:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982]
[#33]
Originally Posted By Krazny13:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0717001824b.jpg Top rifle. Now sports a CTR, and I'm debating optics. . . . Looks great so far, what are the specs? What optics you thinking about going with? Pic
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Posted: 7/31/2010 9:08:10 AM EST
[#34]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Originally Posted By Krazny13:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0717001824b.jpg Top rifle. Now sports a CTR, and I'm debating optics. . . . Looks great so far, what are the specs? What optics you thinking about going with? Pic
http://i29.tinypic.com/2v0bgvr.jpg That's a fine looking stick. |
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Posted: 7/31/2010 10:03:45 AM EST
[#35]
Here's some more photos of the 16" Krieger Recon.
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Posted: 7/31/2010 1:10:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: Krazny13]
[#36]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Originally Posted By Krazny13:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0717001824b.jpg Top rifle. Now sports a CTR, and I'm debating optics. . . . Looks great so far, what are the specs? What optics you thinking about going with? Specs: Lower: Magpul CTR Magpul MIAD Magpul Aluminum Trigger guard Eagle Arms Lower - (Had it forever, and its never had any issues.) Jewell trigger - (Leftover from when this rifle was a CMP Legal Service Rifle. Planning on switching to a Giessle DMR trigger as funds allow) Upper: BCM BFH 16 inch Recce upper with a Knights Armament Rifle length URX2. BCM Gunfighter Mod 4 CH. BCM BCG A2FH for now. Its getting replaced, just not sure what with yet. Hate this state cause I can't have a can, or my SBR. (Bottom rifle in pic above, currently in storage in a free state. . . ) Surefire 6P in a VTAC Mount. Probably getting replaced with a SF 600c or MiniScout as funds allow. KAC Micro 600m Rear BUIS is on its way. Opticwise, I'm debating between an Aimpoint M4, T1, ACOG, or something like a NF 2.5-10x. the S&B 1-8x would be sweet, but thats a heck of a lot of coin for me at the moment. . . . |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 7/31/2010 3:07:26 PM EST
[#37]
BCM BFH 16" upper with DD 12.0 Lite & BCM BCG
Troy BUIS F&R PRI Gasbuster TD Shorty QD VFG Nightforce 1-4xNXS with FC2 reticle in a Bobro mount RRA 2 stage UBR Surefire M600 Scout ~3k through it so far, no issues at all. Will be adding a Surefire FA556K when I get my paperwork back. |
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Posted: 7/31/2010 4:36:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: thedoctors308]
[#38]
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Posted: 7/31/2010 5:10:00 PM EST
[#39]
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Originally Posted By Krazny13:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0717001824b.jpg Top rifle. Now sports a CTR, and I'm debating optics. . . . How does the rifle length URX balance? That would depend on the other features on the rifle as well, not just the URX. |
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Posted: 7/31/2010 5:46:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: till44]
[#40]
On the left... - BCM 16 in SS410 barrel - 12 in DD light rail - Troy battle sights - Larue SPR mount - PA 1––4 scope (needs replaced w/ a Accupoint) - LMT Tac Latch charging handle - Magpul CTR, MIAD, AFG, ASAP, BAD, and PMAG - RRA two-stage trigger - Anvil Arms lower |
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Posted: 8/1/2010 12:31:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: Krazny13]
[#41]
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Originally Posted By Krazny13:
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/0717001824b.jpg Top rifle. Now sports a CTR, and I'm debating optics. . . . How does the rifle length URX balance? Its a bit front heavy, esp without an optic, BUIS, and that 6P out front. I think by the time I get it setup the way I want, (Optic, SF Mini scout) it'll balance pretty well. The 11.5 is a freaking hammer. Balance and points like a dream, and recoils pretty much straight back. Kind of hoping I can get the 16 to act the same way. . . . . |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 8/1/2010 12:57:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: Benblank94]
[#42]
Been thinking about posting mine for some time now. This is my first AR and it was my first build, so dont be harsh.
A Battle comp, FDE Larue index clips, and a coat of Coyote Alumahyde 2 on the Scout light is all its future. |
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Posted: 8/3/2010 11:51:21 PM EST
[#43]
Originally Posted By Benblank94:
Been thinking about posting mine for some time now. This is my first AR and it was my first build, so dont be harsh. http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/Benblank94/DSC01780.jpg A Battle comp, FDE Larue index clips, and a coat of Coyote Alumahyde 2 on the Scout light is all its future. Mark AR on top?? Just asking. J |
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Posted: 8/4/2010 7:37:22 AM EST
[#44]
Originally Posted By Benblank94:
Been thinking about posting mine for some time now. This is my first AR and it was my first build, so dont be harsh. http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac252/Benblank94/DSC01780.jpg A Battle comp, FDE Larue index clips, and a coat of Coyote Alumahyde 2 on the Scout light is all its future. What's to be harsh about? Looks like a decent build to me
What barrel did you use? |
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Posted: 8/4/2010 8:31:13 AM EST
[#45]
So torn between building a recce or Mk12. Edwin,that is teh hawtness!
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Posted: 8/4/2010 6:09:18 PM EST
[#46]
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
So torn between building a recce or Mk12. Edwin,that is teh hawtness! You can always go whole hog with a Mod0! First choice in a AR. 
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Posted: 8/4/2010 7:01:57 PM EST
[#47]
Stop provoking me. Now what? Mod 0? Mod 1? Sooo many choices!
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Posted: 8/4/2010 7:21:46 PM EST
[#48]
Build both, its arfcom afterall
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Posted: 8/4/2010 8:12:38 PM EST
[#49]
Well, back to Recons.
Here's the latest pic of mine. 
Went to some Magpul OD ladder rail covers on it, and also the KAC swivels for the HK hooks on the sling. The gap in the top rail ladder is for the AN/PVS-22. My original "Recon" rifle is a LMT MRP, like Trident's. This one has the 16" 1/7 LMT SS barrel, which gives accuracy worthy of the NSX. For close range the RMR is fitted. 
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Posted: 8/4/2010 8:31:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982]
[#50]
Originally Posted By edwin907:
http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/sniper907/RMR1.jpg http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/sniper907/RMR.jpg My inspiration for it all........... 
Imho, Edwin takes the cake as far as putting together precision ARs....be it 16" recons or 18" spr's. eta....is that a little mk262 i spy in those lancer mags
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