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Link Posted: 8/5/2010 4:55:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hokie] [#1]
Edwin gets it done.  He deserves a lot of applause for what he pieces together.  Always on the spot, and an inspiration for many.  Same for Mr Trident.  Great stuff, although I'd love nothing more than to see his pics with a 20-round Pmag...lol)

Speaking on behalf of the financially strapped, I must say that a good BCM upper, Gieselle trigger, and low power variable is about as slick a RECCE set up as one can get.  Beyond those components the rest is gravy. The Leupold 1.5-5 MR/T is by far my favorite and most used scope.  For some reason I just really dig it.  The TA11 and 33 are also incredible choices....but for a 223 precision upper....I have a hard time signing onto anything but the Leupy MR/T.  Beyond 4.5X magnification I just can't justify it for the 5.56 cartridge.  I have no issues tapping any target I intend to hit out to 500 yards.  The turrets work as advertised.  Granted most if not all of my shooting is below 200 yards.  My 308 Browning X-Bolt deer rifle wears a Leupold VX3 2.5-8 B&C reticle.  That said...I've never shot a deer outside of 100 yards!

Point being...for a RECCE....any (quality) low power variable will do.  I'm also a huge fan of the TR24.   Bottom line - get what you want.....but use Edwin and Trident as a benchmark for quality!
Link Posted: 8/5/2010 11:55:18 PM EST
[#2]
Hokie, Trident, I sure appreciate those generous comments.  
Even more, I appreciate the numerous constructive discussions I've had with you both.

Hokie is right, a quality low power variable is probably ideal for a Recce.
I'm even looking at upgrading the TA11C on my 16" Krieger.
The combination of my older eyes and the Kreiger's accuracy warrants more magnification than the superb 3.5X it now has in the ACOG.
So, waiting on the mount, I may try the USO 1.8-10X37 in a Nightforce Uni-Mount, with the RMR 4 MOA or a T-1 as an offset optical back-up.
Use with the PVS-22 is mandatory, I may even ditch the iron sights since a back up RDS will be fitted.
Hokie isn't a fan of the back-up RDS, but I wasn't either at first.

My other alternative is to return the TA55A to the Recon, it's an effective combinaion that has served me well in the past.
I also don't really need the RMR/T-1 backup, as BAC works well for me with it.

Next, Hokie will accuse me of doing the same thing he has done, trying all the alternatives and then returning to what works!  LOL

Link Posted: 8/5/2010 11:59:43 PM EST
[#3]
Link Posted: 8/6/2010 1:09:37 PM EST
[#4]


Sick  Pic quality is outta this world.

What are the specs on that dude....the IOR looks great as well as that bobro bipod.
Link Posted: 8/11/2010 6:35:15 PM EST
[#5]
Didnt see many Recces with FSBs...is that because of the optics typically used on a Recce?  Is there such a thing as a Recce Dissy?
Link Posted: 8/12/2010 11:24:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: edwin907] [#6]
Updated optics on the 16" Krieger Recon.





Link Posted: 8/16/2010 2:51:40 PM EST
[#7]


In terms of actual precision in the realm of Recce/Recons, that is unequivocally the most accurate one I have ever seen and learned about.  The combo of the Krieger SS, high powered USO glass and OPs suppressor (I happen to know that Edwin likes to be sneaky and keep his stash of mk262 loaded in OD mags) makes sub moa quite the understatement.

Now with that said to me that unbelievable recce above is more than I actually want or could use in my definition of what these guns should be or roles they should fill.....we skirt a fine line when tapping the high end of precision in these builds and often blur the lines between a recce/recon and its big brother the SPR/MK 12/18" SS gun in terms of weight and overall mobility...all the while never being as accurate as a true match 18" SS barrel will be.  That is essentially imho the debate Crane and the operators who would use these ultimately in the field had when dropping the Seal Recon Rifle or Recce and adopting the SPR MK 12 gun.

I love this thread because its totally fantasyland in a good way.....Just envisioning what your "Seal Recon Rifle" would be is a nice thought to have and often find myself going to bed thinking about that type of stuff in all seriousness, I mean that name alone will give you the Obama tingle

Link Posted: 8/16/2010 2:52:35 PM EST
[#8]
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Didnt see many Recces with FSBs...is that because of the optics typically used on a Recce?  Is there such a thing as a Recce Dissy?


There will be once you create one and patent it
Link Posted: 8/16/2010 3:28:56 PM EST
[#9]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Originally Posted By smithc6:
Didnt see many Recces with FSBs...is that because of the optics typically used on a Recce?  Is there such a thing as a Recce Dissy?


There will be once you create one and patent it


So would the FSB get in the way of the often used optics?  I like having the option of having a FSB, but my worry is that when I change the 1-4x down it will be in by field of vision.  Is this a problem, and a reason you dont see FSBs on Recces?
Link Posted: 8/16/2010 4:18:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982] [#10]
Its not so much a problem as it is an annoyance....If you are running say a 10x on max power, you will not notice it so much....however if you are using say a 1-4x at any magnification its quite annoying and it tends to clutter up your sight picture thus making targets harder to acquire.  So you can run glass with a fsp and once you reach a high enough magnification you tend to not notice it but imho it has no inherit benefits to run a fsp in this config. and so it really should not be present.
Link Posted: 8/16/2010 4:31:11 PM EST
[#11]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Its not so much a problem as it is an annoyance....If you are running say a 10x on max power, you will not notice it so much....however if you are using say a 1-4x at any magnification its quite annoying and it tends to clutter up your sight picture thus making targets harder to acquire.  So you can run glass with a fsp and once you reach a high enough magnification you tend to not notice it but imho it has no inherit benefits to run a fsp in this config. and so it really should not be present.


Gotcha thanks
Link Posted: 8/16/2010 11:21:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: DonnieBrasco] [#12]
Link Posted: 8/16/2010 11:46:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982] [#13]


Awesome boomstick you got there sir

Bipod
Link Posted: 8/16/2010 11:50:37 PM EST
[#14]



Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:







Awesome boomstick you got there sir



Bipod
Thank you, and thanks for the link!





 
Link Posted: 8/17/2010 12:02:06 AM EST
[#15]

It's the GG&G swivel, really like it, doesn't "flop" about.

Link Posted: 8/17/2010 12:40:13 AM EST
[#16]



Originally Posted By edwin907:





It's the GG&G swivel, really like it, doesn't "flop" about.



Thanks, I see from the website that they have 2? Heavy Duty and Standard. Which one are you using?
 
Link Posted: 8/17/2010 1:39:06 AM EST
[#17]
Originally Posted By edwin907:

It's the GG&G swivel, really like it, doesn't "flop" about.



I have not had the time to get your thoughts on the Atlas bipod and kinda thought you might already have it considering you own that laser beam side folding .308 bolt that I personally think deserves the Atlas.

Between the BRM-s w. ADM BP or the GG&G heavy duty bipod, which do you favor more for bench work?  I already know that GG&G is a bad mofo in the wilderness and on non typical shooting surfaces but I wonder if its as good of a bench bipod as the harris.
Link Posted: 8/17/2010 7:24:56 AM EST
[#18]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:

I have not had the time to get your thoughts on the Atlas bipod and kinda thought you might already have it considering you own that laser beam side folding .308 bolt that I personally think deserves the Atlas.

Between the BRM-s w. ADM BP or the GG&G heavy duty bipod, which do you favor more for bench work?  I already know that GG&G is a bad mofo in the wilderness and on non typical shooting surfaces but I wonder if its as good of a bench bipod as the harris.


I haven't even seen an Atlas yet, but reports are pretty positive.
For bench shooting it's hard to beat the Harris with pod-loc.
My GG&G is the standard, I actually have both the swivel and the non-swivel.
One bipod I am considering is the Sinclai tactical, it's heavy, tough, and has the ability to increase the angle of spread between the legs (wider) whic sets it lower and is very stable.
It, in it's stock form, does require some mods for use.

Link Posted: 8/17/2010 8:18:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982] [#19]
Originally Posted By edwin907:
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:

I have not had the time to get your thoughts on the Atlas bipod and kinda thought you might already have it considering you own that laser beam side folding .308 bolt that I personally think deserves the Atlas.

Between the BRM-s w. ADM BP or the GG&G heavy duty bipod, which do you favor more for bench work?  I already know that GG&G is a bad mofo in the wilderness and on non typical shooting surfaces but I wonder if its as good of a bench bipod as the harris.


I haven't even seen an Atlas yet, but reports are pretty positive.
For bench shooting it's hard to beat the Harris with pod-loc.
My GG&G is the standard, I actually have both the swivel and the non-swivel.
One bipod I am considering is the Sinclai tactical, it's heavy, tough, and has the ability to increase the angle of spread between the legs (wider) whic sets it lower and is very stable.
It, in it's stock form, does require some mods for use.



Good info pal, thanks......that sinclair is pretty trick but its the same price as the Atlas minus the ARMs mount for the Atlas and although I just now looked at the sinclair I have been doing my research over the last month on the Atlas and new most current Version 8's.  Its just such a clean unit that seems to be extremely well built and has a fantastic ability to shoot from the bench with.  A pal on TOS who was helping me with this Atlas over the last several weeks said its the only bipod he had ever seen that had a shot at being better of the bench than a front rest.  That was an impressive statement and I believe he is a very credible and knowledgeable dude.

link to bipod edwin is talking about......

Sinclair Tactical Bipod

Link Posted: 8/17/2010 9:18:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: edwin907] [#20]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Good info pal, thanks......that sinclair is pretty trick but its the same price as the Atlas minus the ARMs mount for the Atlas and although I just now looked at the sinclair I have been doing my research over the last month on the Atlas and new most current Version 8's.  Its just such a clean unit that seems to be extremely well built and has a fantastic ability to shoot from the bench with.  A pal on TOS who was helping me with this Atlas over the last several weeks said its the only bipod he had ever seen that had a shot at being better of the bench than a front rest.  That was an impressive statement and I believe he is a very credible and knowledgeable dude.

link to bipod edwin is talking about......

Sinclair Tactical Bipod



This rifle with the modded Sinclair belongs to Ohiogunut, who's done a review on SH.

Using his photo you can see the advantage in stability, low and wide can give you.
I'd really like to check one of these out myself.



Also, is that not one of the coolest looking rifles EVER!

Link Posted: 8/17/2010 9:37:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982] [#21]
Damn that is absolutely nasty.....What an awesome match up between your laser beam and his.

It appears that the sinclair and atlas could tit for tat battle it out cause you can get a awesome "load" using these atlas pods and that Is huge for me with respect to shooting from the bench....being able to load a bipod up and then just ease down the buttsock in the bag in the rear without any slop then coming from the bipod while on target is awesome.

The atlas does a similar thing in terms of basing out and lower the overall height of the weapon....
Link Posted: 8/17/2010 9:54:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: SuperiorBarrels] [#22]
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 7:04:42 PM EST
[#23]
Just finished my FDE/Recce build today. The safety selector is a little loose due to a stuck detent and makes me nervous. I'll probably have to mess with it a bit more.

I'm planning on adding a TR24G down the road.



Link Posted: 8/19/2010 7:35:58 PM EST
[#24]
Originally Posted By 45er:
Originally Posted By Stickman:
One of mine...

img104.imageshack.us/img104/55/img63651stickpc8.jpg


Damn, I love it when you post pics.


Seriously.  Drool.......
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 7:59:35 PM EST
[#25]
Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Just finished my FDE/Recce build today. The safety selector is a little loose due to a stuck detent and makes me nervous. I'll probably have to mess with it a bit more.

I'm planning on adding a TR24G down the road.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/FDEBuild001.jpg

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/FDEBuild002.jpg


That looks outstanding....the FDE really looks great on that build. I think the TR 24g is a nice choice as well.

So my only suggestion would be the safety selector.....have you checked out the BAD-A.S.S. ambi selectors?

Link Posted: 8/19/2010 8:03:13 PM EST
[#26]
Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
Damn that is absolutely nasty.....What an awesome match up between your laser beam and his.

It appears that the sinclair and atlas could tit for tat battle it out cause you can get a awesome "load" using these atlas pods and that Is huge for me with respect to shooting from the bench....being able to load a bipod up and then just ease down the buttsock in the bag in the rear without any slop then coming from the bipod while on target is awesome.

The atlas does a similar thing in terms of basing out and lower the overall height of the weapon....
http://www.snipercompany.com/images/atlas%20bipod.jpg



Can someone tell me of this rifle, specs/info?
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 8:06:07 PM EST
[#27]
Originally Posted By SuperiorBarrels:

500 meters with our Recce barrel (youtube video)


Nice barrel, nice shooting and nice video  If you could only pick either the SPR or the Recce  barrel you guys make....which would it be?  I understand if that is a loaded question.  I personally can not think about a Recon/recce without then thinking about a SPR and vice versa.
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 9:39:56 PM EST
[#28]
Link Posted: 8/19/2010 9:57:04 PM EST
[#29]
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 12:01:00 AM EST
[#30]
Great info pal, and I agree begrudgingly about preferring the SPR over the Recon/recce...That said, the recon is just such a world beater on paper yet it rarely translates to any real world felt performance gains over the SPR.  I have seen quite a few reports on Superior Barrels and all seem to have reported excellent results and the stuff you guys do with the videos and I saw some great pics side by side of what your recon barrel did at 500m on some steel.   Nice to see you and your barrel knowledge in this thread as I am sure I can learn quite a bit reading your posts as others can as well.
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 6:38:09 AM EST
[#31]
Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Just finished my FDE/Recce build today. The safety selector is a little loose due to a stuck detent and makes me nervous. I'll probably have to mess with it a bit more.

I'm planning on adding a TR24G down the road.

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/FDEBuild001.jpg

http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/FDEBuild002.jpg


RA - Very nice build - How are you liking the Vltor bipod so far? Does it feel like it adds much weight to the rifle? Any chance you have a pic with the legs in the up position?

What I really like about that style is it should be very light and low profile making it practical to always leave on the weapon. It's wide stance should also make it very stable. Only things holding me back is price and I'm not crazy about the lack of swivel adjustment
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 12:41:17 PM EST
[#33]
That looks outstanding and I love that Bobro mount...I hope to try one in the future.
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 12:55:19 PM EST
[#34]
Thanks, the Bobro mount is excellent. I definitely recommend it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 2:18:50 PM EST
[#35]
Link Posted: 8/20/2010 3:33:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: GVShooter] [#36]
Scope is Leatherwood CMR 1-4  http://swfa.com/Leatherwood-CMR-Tactical-Rifle-Scopes-C1519.aspx
Bravo Company Upper Half Midlength
Phantom Flash Hider
CTR Stock rit dyed
MOE Pistol Grip rit dyed
Magpul MBUS rit dyed
Midwest Industries rifle length free float rail (dark earth)
assorted XTM rail covers (some rit dyed)
Spikes Tactical Lower
CMMG LPK
Link Posted: 8/23/2010 10:39:49 AM EST
[#37]
So I'm joining the club. Pick up a pre-ban lower and started buying stuff. Looking for BUIS suggestions and sling mount suggestions. I was thinking ok the KAC micro and a ASAP plate, to keep the sling the same weapon to weapon.
Link Posted: 8/23/2010 10:51:35 AM EST
[#38]
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
So I'm joining the club. Pick up a pre-ban lower and started buying stuff. Looking for BUIS suggestions and sling mount suggestions. I was thinking ok the KAC micro and a ASAP plate, to keep the sling the same weapon to weapon.


What sights do you run on your other weapons? I run a variant (folding or fixed) of the Troy on every gun I own and really like the consistency.

Are you planning a light weight build or one that won't have a lot of weight out front (i.e. a bipod)? I don't like single points on front heavy guns.

Has Magpul released their sling point rail accessory yet?

Pic Place Holder... off to find food for the thread.
Link Posted: 8/23/2010 11:30:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: ugotbit] [#39]
I plan on using an bipod, but I doubt I will run it all the time. I run fixed front sights on everything else, this is my first perscion/ long rail build. For my build I picked up a Rifle length URX with a flip up sight, so I'm only Looking for a rear buis. Want something that will fit under a scope when I pick one out.

The KAC rail has attachment points for sling swivels but I'm open to any suggestions.
Link Posted: 8/23/2010 12:08:11 PM EST
[#40]
I really like the kac micro's and the front micro is flat out unbeatable imho.....between the size and the elevation wheel as well as the overall aesthetics make it a clear winner in my book.

pics... New outfit, aka. new panel configuration.

Link Posted: 8/26/2010 8:40:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: ShortyB] [#41]
This is about as Recce-ish as I get.
Noveske 14.5 N4 upper. I recontoured the front sight under a Larue 9 inch rail.
LMT lower with a Rock River2 stage match trigger group.
TR24G.
and a bad cell phone picture

Link Posted: 8/27/2010 9:23:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: DonnieBrasco] [#42]




 
Link Posted: 8/27/2010 10:47:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982] [#43]


Great looking stick pal, how do you like the new kac offset mount?  Looks great and seems to put the sight picture right about where the lt 724 does.  I kinda miss using a ubr on my current recon build, they will spoil you for sure.
Link Posted: 8/27/2010 10:51:01 PM EST
[#44]



Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:







Great looking stick pal, how do you like the new kac offset mount?  Looks great and seems to put the sight picture right about where the lt 724 does.


Thanks, means a lot coming from you.



I like it, but would like to have tried the LT as well. I think, from looking at your pics, it might be a bit lower than the LT. The biggest plus for me was keeping the T1 upright.
 
Link Posted: 8/27/2010 11:01:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: TRIDENT1982] [#45]
 In all seriousness that is about as textbook of a recce as you can find....much truer to the definition than mine and I think I will not be content til I bite the bullet and get the bit more accurate mrp SS 16" just to have it to the strictest definition of a recce/recon.  

How is the accuracy with the noveske recce 16" and kac TT?  That TT is such a nice touch.

Heck, lets just hear all the specs while you are at it as I am sure others will come around and ask too.
Link Posted: 8/28/2010 1:51:51 AM EST
[#46]



Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:


 In all seriousness that is about as textbook of a recce as you can find....much truer to the definition than mine and I think I will not be content til I bite the bullet and get the bit more accurate mrp SS 16" just to have it to the strictest definition of a recce/recon.  



How is the accuracy with the noveske recce 16" and kac TT?  That TT is such a nice touch.



Heck, lets just hear all the specs while you are at it as I am sure others will come around and ask too.


Accuracy has been superb, but to tell the truth, I feel like I need more scope to truly stretch its legs... Been doing great with Hornady TAP 75gr.



Here are the Specs:



Noveske SS 16" Midlength Recon

KAC Triple Tap

Denny's Superduty Ion-Bonded BCG

VLTOR VIS-3 12"

KAC Micro 600m

KAC Micro Front Sight

Leupold 1.5-5 in LT104

Aimpoint T-1 in KAC Offset rail mount

Magpul UBR

Magpul MIAD

MAGPUL BAD Lever

GG&G Extreme Duty Bipod

RRA Lower w/2 stage trigger





 
Link Posted: 8/28/2010 9:08:38 AM EST
[#47]
Originally Posted By DonnieBrasco:

Originally Posted By TRIDENT1982:
 In all seriousness that is about as textbook of a recce as you can find....much truer to the definition than mine and I think I will not be content til I bite the bullet and get the bit more accurate mrp SS 16" just to have it to the strictest definition of a recce/recon.  

How is the accuracy with the noveske recce 16" and kac TT?  That TT is such a nice touch.

Heck, lets just hear all the specs while you are at it as I am sure others will come around and ask too.

Accuracy has been superb, but to tell the truth, I feel like I need more scope to truly stretch its legs... Been doing great with Hornady TAP 75gr.

Here are the Specs:

Noveske SS 16" Midlength Recon
KAC Triple Tap
Denny's Superduty Ion-Bonded BCG
VLTOR VIS-3 12"
KAC Micro 600m
KAC Micro Front Sight
Leupold 1.5-5 in LT104
Aimpoint T-1 in KAC Offset rail mount
Magpul UBR
Magpul MIAD
MAGPUL BAD Lever
GG&G Extreme Duty Bipod
RRA Lower w/2 stage trigger

 


That's a recipe for WIN.
Link Posted: 9/1/2010 9:10:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: SwiftPhantom] [#48]


Trident I'm a little curious as to what you did to the PMAG and XTM rail covers to give them that texture? Does it give you a better grip or is it mostly for the aesthetics? And on a side note what magnification/reticule is that Nightforce? Thanks in advance!


Nathan

*Edit - Screwed up the quote *
Link Posted: 9/1/2010 9:47:15 PM EST
[#49]


Very very nice
Link Posted: 9/1/2010 9:58:33 PM EST
[#50]
Originally Posted By SwiftPhantom:


Trident I'm a little curious as to what you did to the PMAG and XTM rail covers to give them that texture? Does it give you a better grip or is it mostly for the aesthetics? And on a side note what magnification/reticule is that Nightforce? Thanks in advance!


Nathan

*Edit - Screwed up the quote *


I don't mean to speak for anyone else, but here's a thread on Do It Yourself Stipling.
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