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Posted: 11/11/2014 5:45:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Yeah, somehow he always seems to get his hands on the good stuff. And just a bit different than everyone elses too. Maybe it's just me but I've never seen the laser thingy on the side quite like that one. And that can seems shorter than most. And the ff tube is sweet. Scope is great. On and on. I want to be rusted ace when I grow up. Well, or at least have his rifles. LOL. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Damn son. Your camo scheme even works indoors! Nice rig (as usual). Yeah, somehow he always seems to get his hands on the good stuff. And just a bit different than everyone elses too. Maybe it's just me but I've never seen the laser thingy on the side quite like that one. And that can seems shorter than most. And the ff tube is sweet. Scope is great. On and on. I want to be rusted ace when I grow up. Well, or at least have his rifles. LOL. Pretty sure it's a Wilcox RAPTAR though I'll let RA confirm/elaborate. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2014 5:46:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic:
I hope it works for you. I tried the x24 and although the form factor is excellent and looks at home on a recce, it's performance suffers versus the x32. It's much less forgiving of head position and I found myself fatigued after longer range sessions trying to maintain proper positioning. YMMV of course. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Originally Posted By patriot_man:
If anyone is interested in my NF 2.5-10x32 hit me up lol. Model C478. 
I've decided to motivate myself to get a x24 by selling this glass. I hope it works for you. I tried the x24 and although the form factor is excellent and looks at home on a recce, it's performance suffers versus the x32. It's much less forgiving of head position and I found myself fatigued after longer range sessions trying to maintain proper positioning. YMMV of course. +1 Was always exhausted behind mine. really want to try the x32 |
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Posted: 11/11/2014 5:49:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgb:
+1 Was always exhausted behind mine. really want to try the x32 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rgb:
Originally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Originally Posted By patriot_man:
If anyone is interested in my NF 2.5-10x32 hit me up lol. Model C478.
I've decided to motivate myself to get a x24 by selling this glass. I hope it works for you. I tried the x24 and although the form factor is excellent and looks at home on a recce, it's performance suffers versus the x32. It's much less forgiving of head position and I found myself fatigued after longer range sessions trying to maintain proper positioning. YMMV of course. +1 Was always exhausted behind mine. really want to try the x32 Yep. Have used a couple of the x24s. Not a fan. I have a x32 with MOAR reticle myself, and couldn't be any happier. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2014 7:44:38 PM EST
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I'm so close, I figured I would wait until black Friday to buy a mount.
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Posted: 11/11/2014 7:56:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: RustedAce]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic: Pretty sure it's a Wilcox RAPTAR though I'll let RA confirm/elaborate. RAPTAR-Lite.
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USA
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Posted: 11/11/2014 8:07:58 PM EST
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To be "RECCE" in the practical sense, the only requirements are a shortish match grade barrel, a decent trigger and magnified optic. I suppose 5.56 as well.
Recce clones are a different matter. Even with clones, tho, you have such an improvisatory approach to production that you have to have considerable knowledge and a bit of a fetish to get an exact version. I built a "Sprecce;" 17in Krieger barrel with YNM BCG, Geissele trigger and Larue upper/lower. |
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Posted: 11/12/2014 3:20:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dkiekkse:
To be "RECCE" in the practical sense, the only requirements are a shortish match grade barrel, a decent trigger and magnified optic. I suppose 5.56 as well. Recce clones are a different matter. Even with clones, tho, you have such an improvisatory approach to production that you have to have considerable knowledge and a bit of a fetish to get an exact version. I built a "Sprecce;" 17in Krieger barrel with YNM BCG, Geissele trigger and Larue upper/lower. The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling |
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Posted: 11/12/2014 4:27:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: Outrider]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1811guy:
The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1811guy:
Originally Posted By dkiekkse:
To be "RECCE" in the practical sense, the only requirements are a shortish match grade barrel, a decent trigger and magnified optic. I suppose 5.56 as well. Recce clones are a different matter. Even with clones, tho, you have such an improvisatory approach to production that you have to have considerable knowledge and a bit of a fetish to get an exact version. I built a "Sprecce;" 17in Krieger barrel with YNM BCG, Geissele trigger and Larue upper/lower. The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling Barrel is stainless and carbine gas systems are more "clone" accurate (if that can even be said about recce builds) but nobody will complain about a midlength (mine is a middy). -16"/14.5" SS barrel -Rifle length rail system -Variable optic I think these 3 items are the loosest/ bare minimum to fit the recce category. |
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Posted: 11/12/2014 4:55:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1811guy:
The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1811guy:
Originally Posted By dkiekkse:
To be "RECCE" in the practical sense, the only requirements are a shortish match grade barrel, a decent trigger and magnified optic. I suppose 5.56 as well. Recce clones are a different matter. Even with clones, tho, you have such an improvisatory approach to production that you have to have considerable knowledge and a bit of a fetish to get an exact version. I built a "Sprecce;" 17in Krieger barrel with YNM BCG, Geissele trigger and Larue upper/lower. The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling Ive always read and thought that the original "Recce" barrels had a carbine length gas system. In this thread pretty much anything goes as long as you have a 14.5-17" stainless steel barrel, variable optic and rifle length rail system....some seem to think anything with a variable powered optic qualifies...I don't peronally. Here is the specs for Liljas Recon barrel which I believe was the original "Recce" barrel- M4: .975" diameter for 2" then a radius down to .850" diameter to the .750" diameter gas block section. From the gas block to the muzzle the diameter is .725". Barrel length is 17" including the M4-type barrel extension and the M4 barrels are furnished with a .500" x 28 TPI x .600" long threaded muzzle. The gas system is carbine-length. This barrel profile is an exact copy of the Recon barrel we've made for the US Navy SEALS. Weight is 2.18 pounds. Engraved: Lilja M4 .223 8T. To see a .pdf drawing of the profile - Click Here |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2014 6:00:10 PM EST
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This comes up every once in a while but I'll say it again. There were guys associated with this forum that apparently have built recce uppers for certain .gov people and I'm pretty certain some of them were midlength gas systems. If I'm allowed to namedrop, Wes at MSTN was one of them. Well, the main one that I know of.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2014 6:30:51 PM EST
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The Lilja M4 Navy barrel has a carbine length gas system. Those barrels were used in the original Recce rifles.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 6:45:22 PM EST
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To my knowledge the use of mid length gas systems was limited to the ModH and 10 USAMU built Recces.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2014 6:52:50 PM EST
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Yeah, I'm just going by memory of what was posted here and I don't even really know the whole details behind who and what and all that. So... you guys know more than I do. I think there is a good likelihood that some .gov builds had mid length systems, but they maybe they're in the minority.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2014 7:02:39 PM EST
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Posted: 11/12/2014 9:24:33 PM EST
[#15]
Rifles with only a red dot don't qualify as a "recce."
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2014 3:02:10 AM EST
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I bring bearing gifts...
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2014 3:03:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: dog_dad]
[#17]
US Optics?
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Posted: 11/13/2014 8:53:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThe ginger recce? |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 8:57:24 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ragincajun1919:
The ginger recce? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ragincajun1919:
The ginger recce? Looks like it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2014 10:20:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1:
Looks like it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
The ginger recce? Looks like it. it is indeed...great pic! |
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Posted: 11/13/2014 10:24:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: Looks like it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: Originally Posted By ragincajun1919: The ginger recce? Looks like it. Yep, RIP brother.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2014 10:47:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Yep, RIP brother.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
The ginger recce? Looks like it. Yep, RIP brother.
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Posted: 11/13/2014 11:49:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattNificent: name? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattNificent: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By slowkota1: Originally Posted By ragincajun1919: The ginger recce? Looks like it. Yep, RIP brother. name? It escapes me at the moment but I recall seeing the original photo of him on one of the SEAL Facebook honor pages. |
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Posted: 11/14/2014 12:17:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: Krombompulos_Michael]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 22caliberKIDD:
Ive always read and thought that the original "Recce" barrels had a carbine length gas system. In this thread pretty much anything goes as long as you have a 14.5-17" stainless steel barrel, variable optic and rifle length rail system....some seem to think anything with a variable powered optic qualifies...I don't peronally. Here is the specs for Liljas Recon barrel which I believe was the original "Recce" barrel- M4: .975" diameter for 2" then a radius down to .850" diameter to the .750" diameter gas block section. From the gas block to the muzzle the diameter is .725". Barrel length is 17" including the M4-type barrel extension and the M4 barrels are furnished with a .500" x 28 TPI x .600" long threaded muzzle. The gas system is carbine-length. This barrel profile is an exact copy of the Recon barrel we've made for the US Navy SEALS. Weight is 2.18 pounds. Engraved: Lilja M4 .223 8T. To see a .pdf drawing of the profile - Click Here Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 22caliberKIDD:
Originally Posted By 1811guy:
Originally Posted By dkiekkse:
To be "RECCE" in the practical sense, the only requirements are a shortish match grade barrel, a decent trigger and magnified optic. I suppose 5.56 as well. Recce clones are a different matter. Even with clones, tho, you have such an improvisatory approach to production that you have to have considerable knowledge and a bit of a fetish to get an exact version. I built a "Sprecce;" 17in Krieger barrel with YNM BCG, Geissele trigger and Larue upper/lower. The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling Ive always read and thought that the original "Recce" barrels had a carbine length gas system. In this thread pretty much anything goes as long as you have a 14.5-17" stainless steel barrel, variable optic and rifle length rail system....some seem to think anything with a variable powered optic qualifies...I don't peronally. Here is the specs for Liljas Recon barrel which I believe was the original "Recce" barrel- M4: .975" diameter for 2" then a radius down to .850" diameter to the .750" diameter gas block section. From the gas block to the muzzle the diameter is .725". Barrel length is 17" including the M4-type barrel extension and the M4 barrels are furnished with a .500" x 28 TPI x .600" long threaded muzzle. The gas system is carbine-length. This barrel profile is an exact copy of the Recon barrel we've made for the US Navy SEALS. Weight is 2.18 pounds. Engraved: Lilja M4 .223 8T. To see a .pdf drawing of the profile - Click Here I stand corrected then. Thanks. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2014 3:08:07 PM EST
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I guess this can kind of go here.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2014 7:55:49 PM EST
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For you guys who have Leupold 1-6x optics;
What's the furthest distance you've landed hits with your first shot? I'm debating picking up a Leupold 1-6x but the difference in high end magnification vs. my NF has me wondering if I should keep looking for a NF instead. I kept my NF on 10x almost all the time so it's definitely something I'm wondering about. Also is the 1x useable as a true red dot? I remember hearing about illumination issues. Right now with my Aimpoint mounted at 12 o'clock I can get a sight picture no matter how sloppy (or lack of) cheek weld I have. Also not having to dial down the power is another benefit for me and keeping the Aimpoint on 24/7. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2014 7:58:33 PM EST
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Also found this on M4carbine by Kyle Defoor
Going with a 4 power only limits you in range, the gun will give you terminal performance out to 300-400 with 77 gr (MK 262) no problem.
The original gun that DEVGRU designed were 16" with a Leupold 3.5-10. Once the Army got hold of the idea/program they insisted on 18". You don't need 18", in fact 16" is actually too long! For real world distances (300-400) and terminal performance (meaning you KNOW you can hit and kill) you can shorten the barrel to 14"-as long as it is a high quality, heavy one, and you use the right ammo. In the late 90s we went to a Nightforce 2.5-10 which made it a little more user friendly for up close stuff. By summer 2000 almost all of us who used one for a living mounted a JPoint on top or at 1 o'clock (right handed) or 11 o'clock (left handed). That made it so we could actually go inside if needed. All that said, S & B makes the best optics on the planet if you can afford them. If not go with the NF-it will serve you well. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2014 8:01:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: dog_dad]
[#28]
Another snippet:
We had the NXS 2.5-10 X 24. I'm not sure if the X32 was even out then.
I'm not familiar with NF's code for recticles, sorry, but we used the one that had round, HOLLOW Mil-dots. The hollow mil-dots are key for more accurate range estimate, and hold-overs, unders. Hope that helps Of course I believe this has changed now and the x32 is now issued as well. Edit: More That particular one did not illuminate. It might now, I don't know. The MK12 was issued with one that did not and still is to my knowledge. For us, the lighted recticle was a nicety but not a neccessity. NF scopes that do have illumination do so in the cross hair section up to the first mil dot. It appears red in color, and is turned on/off by pulling out on the knob on the left side. As for use- very good for use at dawn and dusk before NODs and lasers work at their best. Also works good in situations were tgt area is black. Without it, you have a blk cross hair on a blk tgt, and it is extemely hard to find center. NF has done a good job of making the cross hairs fine, so in that situation it is even harder to find them. Hunters also might find that feature useful in a dark forest situation. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:02:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By patriot_man:
For you guys who have Leupold 1-6x optics; What's the furthest distance you've landed hits with your first shot? I'm debating picking up a Leupold 1-6x but the difference in high end magnification vs. my NF has me wondering if I should keep looking for a NF instead. I kept my NF on 10x almost all the time so it's definitely something I'm wondering about. Also is the 1x useable as a true red dot? I remember hearing about illumination issues. Right now with my Aimpoint mounted at 12 o'clock I can get a sight picture no matter how sloppy (or lack of) cheek weld I have. Also not having to dial down the power is another benefit for me and keeping the Aimpoint on 24/7. I'll be running my Mark 6 1-6x out to 700 yards in an upcoming course, but thus far, I've only used it out to 200 yards. As for on 1x, it is very useable and forgiving. Not as good as the VCOG is on 1x, but I'd still feel confident using it in an up close intense scenario. The illumination is the achilles heel of the Mark 6 though. It's brightness is great, but the illumination is very picky when it comes to your head position. It can easily flicker in and out if you don't have the perfect head position. Some people try to claim this illumination issue was fixed with 2014 manufactured "Y" serial numbered models, but I can tell you that's not the case as I've had two 2014 Y serial numbered Mark 6's, and they both have had the illumination flickering issue when you don't have ideal head position. The Mark 6 is a killer optic though. Long and forgiving eyebox, huge FOV with the 34mm tube, killer glass, great reticles. If they correct the illumination, I think it'd be the best 1-x optic by a large margin. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2014 9:06:25 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryLooks like an US Optics SR-6 |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2014 1:25:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: Mblades]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By patriot_man:
For you guys who have Leupold 1-6x optics; What's the furthest distance you've landed hits with your first shot? I'm debating picking up a Leupold 1-6x but the difference in high end magnification vs. my NF has me wondering if I should keep looking for a NF instead. I kept my NF on 10x almost all the time so it's definitely something I'm wondering about. Also is the 1x useable as a true red dot? I remember hearing about illumination issues. Right now with my Aimpoint mounted at 12 o'clock I can get a sight picture no matter how sloppy (or lack of) cheek weld I have. Also not having to dial down the power is another benefit for me and keeping the Aimpoint on 24/7. I don't have a lot of time with it yet but I think AR-Ryan summed it up pretty well. For me the illumination hasn't proved to be much of a problem, it's more of an issue in theory than practice. If I'm messing around with my head position and looking for the illumination to go in and out then I notice it, when I'm shooting and not thinking about it I don't find it to be an issue. Also, I notice it more the higher the magnification is turned up, I don't use the illumination except on 1-2x so maybe thats another reason its a non issue for me. I don't know how much experience you have with variables but it's definitely a compromise, if you are looking to replace the NF on 10x or the Aimpoint you are going to be disappointed. It's not going to be as good as either of those, but if you want to replace both, then I think the Mk6 is a great choice. Figure it does about 80% of what the NF can do and about %70 of what an Aimpoint can do. This is exactly what I was looking for so I'm happy with my choice, although I do still have an eotech I can slap on when the need arises and I will take the Mk4 3.5-10x off my grendel for load development, ladder tests and the like. For a RECCE type setup I don't think you could do much better, should be able to do everything 5.56 is capable of, that was my intent with the SR-15 I posted a pic of on the last page. Less than 8lbs as pictured with an empty mag, shoots mk262 about 1 MOA and has never had any kind of malfunction. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2014 4:55:41 PM EST
[#32]
Thanks for the feedback guys. Looks like I'm going to stay in the 2.5-10 range with a supplemental RDS.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 10:43:52 AM EST
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I run a humble mil-dot MarkAR 3-9 and a trs-25. All i gotta do is cant it and bam i have a 50yd rds right there. I decided that instead of trying to find the perfect optic i would just run duals. Its light and works great. If i had funds id prolly do a FFP setup with better magnification and a rds offset. I tried a 1-4 ffp and i really never liked it much. i wish trijicon made a zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like lol.
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Posted: 11/17/2014 2:00:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: twitch1706]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: i wish trijicon made a zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like lol.   |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 4:57:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :(
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Posted: 11/17/2014 5:27:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( Check out the Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x. |
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Posted: 11/17/2014 5:32:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
[#37]
oh yeah those are nice lil pieces of glass for the price. I always liked the leatherwood CMR. I'm just a lowly man, with a ton of money into my SPRECCE and in need of a MK12 lol. I'm sitting here wondering if I should go MK12 douglas barrel or keep my RECCE 16" style. I love what I have, don't get me wrong :)
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Posted: 11/17/2014 11:30:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: oh yeah those are nice lil pieces of glass for the price. I always liked the leatherwood CMR. I'm just a lowly man, with a ton of money into my SPRECCE and in need of a MK12 lol. I'm sitting here wondering if I should go MK12 douglas barrel or keep my RECCE 16" style. I love what I have, don't get me wrong :) IMHO, unless you've got the coin to spend and unless you're just dying to build a perfect clone, I wouldn't spend the money on a Douglas barrel. You can get good combat accuracy out of a WOA barrel and nobody will be the wiser. Shit, 99% of our clones ain't perfect clones since they're not FA anyways! So my advice is to go with the WOA or something similar and spend money on good glass. YMMV. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2014 1:36:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Check out the Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( Check out the Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x. I've tried cheap optics have been disappointed almost every time. The Leatherwood is a glaring exception, great value, anyone thinking about giving a 1-X a try should get one before dropping a bunch of $ on anything else. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 8:57:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: I've tried cheap optics have been disappointed almost every time. The Leatherwood is a glaring exception, great value, anyone thinking about giving a 1-X a try should get one before dropping a bunch of $ on anything else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( Check out the Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x. I've tried cheap optics have been disappointed almost every time. The Leatherwood is a glaring exception, great value, anyone thinking about giving a 1-X a try should get one before dropping a bunch of $ on anything else. And yes i hear ya on the barrels. I was talking to the gunsmith yesterday @ work and he is a comp. Shooter. He said for douglas money and a button rifled barrel you can just have kreiger make you a barrel with cur rifling and a chamber for the sake price range and it can do 1/2moa. Im always learning. The other thing is that i dont have a reflex suppressor so a mk12 profile isnt even necessary....so it would just be a SPRECCE type build in the end with an 18" medium profile and no reflex collar. So many details......lol
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2014 9:02:18 AM EST
[#41]
leupold 1.5-5x has a cmr2 reticle that is the dot/horseshoe
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USA
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Posted: 11/18/2014 9:29:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: Krombompulos_Michael]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Barrel is stainless and carbine gas systems are more "clone" accurate (if that can even be said about recce builds) but nobody will complain about a midlength (mine is a middy). -16"/14.5" SS barrel -Rifle length rail system -Variable optic I think these 3 items are the loosest/ bare minimum to fit the recce category. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RussellAthletic:
Originally Posted By 1811guy:
Originally Posted By dkiekkse:
To be "RECCE" in the practical sense, the only requirements are a shortish match grade barrel, a decent trigger and magnified optic. I suppose 5.56 as well. Recce clones are a different matter. Even with clones, tho, you have such an improvisatory approach to production that you have to have considerable knowledge and a bit of a fetish to get an exact version. I built a "Sprecce;" 17in Krieger barrel with YNM BCG, Geissele trigger and Larue upper/lower. The barrel spec. for RECCE rifles is usually a 16" medium contour, mid length, 1:8 rifling Barrel is stainless and carbine gas systems are more "clone" accurate (if that can even be said about recce builds) but nobody will complain about a midlength (mine is a middy). -16"/14.5" SS barrel -Rifle length rail system -Variable optic I think these 3 items are the loosest/ bare minimum to fit the recce category. ACOG's are pretty standard on RECCE rifles that are in use. I think a magnified combat optic might be more accurate descriptor than variable optic. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 10:19:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: I agree....this leupold showed me the light. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( Check out the Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x. I've tried cheap optics have been disappointed almost every time. The Leatherwood is a glaring exception, great value, anyone thinking about giving a 1-X a try should get one before dropping a bunch of $ on anything else. And yes i hear ya on the barrels. I was talking to the gunsmith yesterday @ work and he is a comp. Shooter. He said for douglas money and a button rifled barrel you can just have kreiger make you a barrel with cur rifling and a chamber for the sake price range and it can do 1/2moa. Im always learning. The other thing is that i dont have a reflex suppressor so a mk12 profile isnt even necessary....so it would just be a SPRECCE type build in the end with an 18" medium profile and no reflex collar. So many details......lol Non-reflex can? I'd go pinned 14.5" all day long. Or hell, 12.5" SBR and build it into a mini-recce. |
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Posted: 11/18/2014 11:58:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Or hell, 12.5" SBR and build it into a mini-recce.
I like the way you are thinkin' I knew you would come around... 
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Posted: 11/18/2014 2:46:52 PM EST
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Nevermind. Delete.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 9:02:44 AM EST
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Oh lord dont even get me started on the mini recce's lol. I want a 12.5 crusader style so bad. I actually have a nice 500m range to shoot my rifle so i mean i dont need an sbr for that....even tho i already have a 10.5" and all i'd need is another upper and barrel and.....see.....see what you are doing?!
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Posted: 11/19/2014 11:52:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( "Affordable" for most shooters isn't going to happen with what you're getting from Trijicon. Unless you're one of those members that is drowing in credit card debt as a result of gun and/or accessory purchases. Save some money each month & you'll be able to snag one in no time. |
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Posted: 11/19/2014 1:39:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warpig8654:
"Affordable" for most shooters isn't going to happen with what you're getting from Trijicon. Unless you're one of those members that is drowing in credit card debt as a result of gun and/or accessory purchases. Save some money each month & you'll be able to snag one in no time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warpig8654:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( "Affordable" for most shooters isn't going to happen with what you're getting from Trijicon. Unless you're one of those members that is drowing in credit card debt as a result of gun and/or accessory purchases. Save some money each month & you'll be able to snag one in no time. Yup! That's what I do for all my purchases and it gives you time to wait for better stuff coming out.
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Posted: 11/19/2014 5:56:53 PM EST
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I keep trying to make myself do a MK12 build.......wtf am i thinking...i have a sick ass RECCE with a 3-9....i should just leave it or put a 1-4 on it and stfu LOL.
maybe a SAM-R? stupid BRD....got me again....
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Posted: 11/19/2014 7:34:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By patriot_man:
Yup! That's what I do for all my purchases and it gives you time to wait for better stuff coming out.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By patriot_man:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
I wish trijicon made an AFFORDABLE zoom optic with the donut or chevton ffp setup. Nobody ever makes what i like that anyone can afford lol. i fixed my post. LMFAO nice reticle tho :( "Affordable" for most shooters isn't going to happen with what you're getting from Trijicon. Unless you're one of those members that is drowing in credit card debt as a result of gun and/or accessory purchases. Save some money each month & you'll be able to snag one in no time. Yup! That's what I do for all my purchases and it gives you time to wait for better stuff coming out.
What about the Primary arms 1-6? I really like mine |
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