Im pretty sure its not the same guy but when I was a kid I was going through some of my dads Americam Rifleman magazines that were a few years old. There was a story and photo about a GI that was asleep in the bush. Something grabbed him by his knee and started dragging him off. He started firing his 16 and he killed the tiger that was trying to kill him.

Whenever I see a true warrior as that man (Mong The H is silent) I  get so pi___-off I sometimes go running to take off a littlle stress and to just get away.  The Hmong were some of the best fighters in SEA.  They have allways respected the US and always thought we would never leave them behind when it all goes down.  Some SF that worked with them gave them the locker key rant all of the munitions, rifles, and what ever they had locked up in their make shift locked equipment than asked to do it again with resupply.  They were told to stay in the mountains and to burry all of that.  When they (SF) were ready to depart they wrote off  all of thier weapons and equipment until the day arisses that the Communists would find them.  I will bet that he was one of the individuals that worked with SF,SOG and the very early "White Star Thy.  And there he sits still for someone to take a picture of him.  

I saw a film from FOX News I believe, it was a number of years ago about thier plight.  It was taken undercover and at great risk because the Pathet Lao tCommunist's) and the two people of the network would be killed and thrown in the jungle to so that the  rs they would hidden in the tropical rainforest he Female talking to the people with a translater the video and some one holding the camera.  The old guys all had their M-16A1's in that bad of shape and they told the reporter while crying.  They all said while crying, that they wanted/needed the US to come to their to thn needs because every time they run into an ambush from the Vietname /or Pathet Lao they lose some more older and young men. They were crying because even though things from "White Star" and fighting the NVA beside their American advisors were to them back in the old days and they want it back along with SF again!  When asked by the translator as to why the men were all crying was because they were two Americans right in front of them and thought that thew American army and SF were coming to gather themselves togther to go to America and when they found out these people were not there to help them other than talking to theme.

Also, look at his rifle, would any of you use his rifle to fight against the Vietnamese from the west and Pathet Lao in the middle of the country and still hell bent on killing anybody that is a Hmong.  They want them to become extinct.

The hate of allot of people towards a people that only know the mountains and that is where they stayed to harvest and slash and burn their crops.  General Vang Po was the leader of the Hmong Warriors.  He now resides in Texas or california, somewhere I am not for sure.  During this time in their history is when Ross Perot starded to help with the fight on the Plain of Jars.  Perot even sent the General two gold plated Colt Peacemakers and some ammo to go with it.  Unfortunality, I don't have scanner or even a printer, otherwise I'd show you some pictures of the both of them together.e also say that Mr. Ross Perot was THE Most Anti-Communist person during the Vietnam War.  

My many apogies for dragging this thread to such a great a long team.  I am also really, really apologizing for the hijacking of this thread.

mantracker

retro GL

Look at the guy's face; he's giving the Palis his "War Face".

Kind of looks like a shot of Willem Dafoe from "Platoon."

What magazine is that on the right?

The weapon is a HBAR CAR-15 configured with a belt-feed system.  Its not a magazine.  Its a box that would have carried the belt and collected spent links on the other side.

No one has built one of these yet!  (as far as I know)


EDIT: first image may have been disabled w/ respect to remote linking, but can be seen on this page second from bottom.

Second pic:


ETA: It's an XM106, a prototype AR-based LMG design.  From Wikipedia:

I dont see the top of your 2 pictures.WHats the story on this? A quick change barrel?

Top picture:

The XM106 featured a quick change barrel.  This was a requirement for the SAW competition.  The XM106, developed by the US Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory was effectively used as a control during the trials.  It also featured a forward grip made from a standard A1 pistol grip and used the M2 bipod, mounted above the handguard.  There were apparently two versions, one with the longer sight radius as a pictured, and one with the FSB in the original position.

EDIT- See the wiki entry has been posted.  I should have just copied and pasted that seeing as I wrote that heh.  Its what I know of the XM106.  I've been trying to get the official nomenclature, but a part of me thinks that it might have actually been designated as a rifle rather than a machine gun.

Looks like some 604 uppers from the Air Force A2 conversion program a few years back. You can see the green turn in tags attached to the barrels. Sure be nice to have just one of those boxes of uppers!

Found this pic on a website. Not sure if its real or not, first thing i noticed was the B.F.A's though. Just wanted to share and see what ya'll thought.

Love it.

July 1965:


605 + XM148.


607 (note rear handguard cap) with atypical muzzle device.  Also, note that this is the earliest constant-curve 30 round magazine that we've yet observed.

San Diego maybe?

Definitely not China Beach, Da Nang, RVN,  circa '67!  

Popular Mechanics, June 1967.

That XM16E1 has a 601 port door. The soldier also has the trigger guard open.

Must be winter where he's wading...

You are correct sir! Actually, its Silver Strand state beach, a couple of miles down the road from The Hotel Del Coronado and Coronado Naval Amphibious Base. Great beach to hang out at!

This is probably the first pic I've seen of a regular grunt with a 30 rounder. Shown leaning against the kit of a sergeant from the 196th Infantry Brigade in 1972.



 

Cadillac Gage V100?

Awesome.

Dated 1963

Damn, he has some major chicken wing going on in pic #3

The cigarette is a nice touch!

It is obviously a non p.c. era pic and therefore taken when mankind was just barbarians.....
But man he got some wings on that shot.....

Pics from before the mid-60s that I've seen show a lot, if not most, off-hand rifle shooters using this style with a high elbow.  It may not be "tacticool" but it does work on a formal competition range.

Is it just me, or is that a 7.62x39 magazine in the CAR-15 the second trooper from the left is holding?  I can't believe no one else caught it.

Field made 30 round mag. In the past, that picture has caused a lot of argument.

 

I'm not convinced.  Checked a 30 round 7.62x39 mag at the gunshow yesterday, and it was identical.  A couple of other things bother me:  First, in the 25 years that I carried guns for a living (and to keep me living), I would never have trusted my life to a "cumschawed" jury rigged magazine like that.- PERIOD!  Second, there is something about the picture that doesn't look right.  I can't put my finger on it, though.  Matbe they don't look hard enough in the eye.  Can't say, but I think it is a faux-staged photo made to look retro.  Just my opinion.

If you are that convinced, why did you even ask the question? I will let others argue with your ignorance on the subject.

 

If you recall, in my first post I merely stated an observation of what I saw.  My second post merely responded to your supposition it was a field made 30. I simply  put forward that in my experience, myself and no one who ever depended on a weapon would use such a homemade magazine. I have seen two 20s fixed together to make an ersatz 40, but it was unreliable.  Colt even made some baseplates that snapped two 20 rounders together.

Ignorant?  Now that is hysterical. I have been shooting for 50 years.  I am not one of the "Tacticool" mall commandos. I fired my first M16 in 1974.  I have 5 years military and 20 years full time law enforcement.  Much of that time I was a field training officer, a firearms and tactics instructor, and small arms armorer. I did small arms and equipment evaluations, and grant proposal for weapons acquisition for the department.  It was nothing for me to put 5,000 to 10,000 rounds through a weapon just to wring it out. On the side, I was building ARs back in the 80s when it was PWA, SGW, Palmetto, and Nesard.  Just because I have not posted much here means nothing.  On the boards I frequent, I have far more posts (in the 4 digits)

I have no idea what level of experience you have and I really don't care. I was not trying to get into a "my johnson is bigger than yours" argument. Your lack of manners is shown by how you behave with anyone who has the audacity to disagree with you.  What made you resort to name calling?  It is not very dignified.

I came across this site with some very nice photographs, most images in the photo gallery have descriptions.  http://www.tf116.org

Aussie Special Air Service, Vietnam around 1970 +/-  (M203 on left came along later, hence the XM148s).

Andy

Hydra Matic

Colt XM15

Wonderful pictures!

One of my SOG buddies just created a MACV-SOG photo album on Facebook and there are some incredible images of his recon team up at CCN and at the various launch sites.  Lots of CAR-15s, AKs, Hueys, Kingbees...  Wish I could post his whole album for the greater good of this thread.

Got a link? Facebook should be good for something, after all.

Link please...this should be great.

Unfortunately, his privacy settings include friends only but there are a few good ones that I'll grab and post.  Hang on...

Okay, here are some photos I pulled from Facebook; all photos belong to Lynne M. Black Jr.








Also notice the trigger guard partially removed and taped up and out of the way.  Recon guys were some crafty SOBs.

Thanks for borrowing the pics, RT. Tell Mr. Black , Thanks.

War remnants museum in Saigon

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