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the swiss arms / PE90 / sig 550 is the 20'' black special version with diopter sights. the APC is the 18.5'' match version. as with both rifles, they are far more accurate than i am. im a minute of dinner plate shooter. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2932/33459437290_6a57732132_h.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Which model(s) do you own? The Swiss Arms rifles are very accurate with GP90. Don't know how accurate they are with other match-grade ammo. https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2932/33459437290_6a57732132_h.jpg Where did you buy the 5/30s? Have you shot GP90 out of the APC? |
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@White_knight Where did you buy the 5/30s? Have you shot GP90 out of the APC? View Quote if i could find GP90 i would in both my swiss and the APC. only fired 55gr AE223, m855 and m193 so far in them. |
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Do we have any rumors about availability of carbine versions in the US?
I know the pistol versions are here for many B&T models, but I can't track down anything about carbines. |
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I haven't read anything, I doubt they are in a position to build the manufacturing facility here in the states.
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Can you get a cheek weld with ar height optics? I ASSUME ar height iron sights. Sb brace looks low?
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I don't own one but I have the CZ 805 Bren SBR and that's why the ACR stock adapter was made. To get a proper weld with AR optics and mounts. Just looking at this and owning an APC9 I can tell you it will be low. I use a low profile ADM mount on my APC9 with an MRO and it works great.
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I had to use the Larue short mount for the Aimpoint to get a decent check weld on the APC, I use Larue absolute mounts with my AR's.
I am still trying to find irons that I like, but so far the medium height Troy's are working the best for me. |
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I wonder if there is a short mount for mro or upper 1/3 cowitnessed
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Midwest Industries makes a low mount and a Co-witness mount. I think the co-witness with a normal profile set of irons might work.
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What parts would have to be made domestically? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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What parts would have to be made domestically? View Quote Barrel Trunion Receiver Lower (integral pistol grip so only one part) Handguard Hammer Trigger Sear Flash hider Piston Bolt Bolt carrier Stock Mag body Mag follower Mag floorplate AR FCG and US magazine makes you 922(r) compliant. |
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Applicable APC556 922(r) parts: Barrel Trunion Receiver Lower (integral pistol grip so only one part) Handguard Hammer Trigger Sear Flash hider Piston Bolt Bolt carrier Stock Mag body Mag follower Mag floorplate AR FCG and US magazine makes you 922(r) compliant. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What parts would have to be made domestically? Barrel Trunion Receiver Lower (integral pistol grip so only one part) Handguard Hammer Trigger Sear Flash hider Piston Bolt Bolt carrier Stock Mag body Mag follower Mag floorplate AR FCG and US magazine makes you 922(r) compliant. |
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Gen 2's have started arriving at dealers.
Biggest differences I've seen are 1/2-28 threads and a fluted barrel. |
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Just bought one this morning, super excited. Was trying to hold out for the carbine but I can't wait. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Lighter due to the fluting and wider safety/selector.
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Lighter due to the fluting and wider safety/selector. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Gen 2's have started arriving at dealers. Biggest differences I've seen are 1/2-28 threads and a fluted barrel. Does it get easier to safe/unsafe with use (or wear)? Does the APC-9 have the same selector as the -223? |
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Selector is wider and lighter wallet. View Quote I just checked the Canadian distributor's site, they don't have the new selector listed. I'm hoping they'll sell it seperately, because I don't want to wait for the Gen2 to be approved up here. |
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Have you tried the Gen1 selector? How do you feel about the Gen2 selector? I just checked the Canadian distributor's site, they don't have the new selector listed. I'm hoping they'll sell it seperately, because I don't want to wait for the Gen2 to be approved up here. View Quote At the moment, all I have is an APC9. Found a couple pics of the Gen 2. Fluted barrel. Attached File Wider selector. Attached File |
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I got to shoot an APC-9 last month (the range didn't have the 223 as a rental), and I really didn't like the selector. I found it a hassle to safe/unsafe the weapon. I don't know how new it was though. Does it get easier to safe/unsafe with use (or wear)? Does the APC-9 have the same selector as the -223? View Quote |
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I have not tried a gen 1 selector. Still waiting for my gen 2 to ship. At the moment, all I have is an APC9. Found a couple pics of the Gen 2. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/318931/20170627-063457-239849-edit-240169.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/318931/20170627-063533-239850-edit-240170.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Have you tried the Gen1 selector? How do you feel about the Gen2 selector? I just checked the Canadian distributor's site, they don't have the new selector listed. I'm hoping they'll sell it seperately, because I don't want to wait for the Gen2 to be approved up here. At the moment, all I have is an APC9. Found a couple pics of the Gen 2. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/318931/20170627-063457-239849-edit-240169.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/318931/20170627-063533-239850-edit-240170.JPG ETA: how does the Gen2 selector feel compared to the APC9's? Quoted:
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I got to shoot an APC-9 last month (the range didn't have the 223 as a rental), and I really didn't like the selector. I found it a hassle to safe/unsafe the weapon. I don't know how new it was though. Does it get easier to safe/unsafe with use (or wear)? Does the APC-9 have the same selector as the -223? |
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B&T has bought a manufacturing facility in the USA and will begin production in the USA in 2018 from what I understand. Many components and material will still come from Switzerland
Just like with everything we carry, the APC223 is available at the best price you'll find https://www.armsunlimited.com/Brugger-Thomet-APC223-Semi-Auto-556-Pistol-p/bt-36056.htm |
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$2,700? What am I missing... View Quote |
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B&T has bought a manufacturing facility in the USA and will begin production in the USA in 2018 from what I understand. Many components and material will still come from Switzerland Just like with everything we carry, the APC223 is available at the best price you'll find https://www.armsunlimited.com/Brugger-Thomet-APC223-Semi-Auto-556-Pistol-p/bt-36056.htm View Quote |
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The APC series is expensive, as are SIG 553s, and HK SP5Ks. Swiss and German manufacturing is costly. $2700 is a great price for the APC223 and about the same price (a little less) as SIG 553s before the election run up. Add the collapsible PDW stock and you have the most compact 5.56 sbr available. View Quote |
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I think there is something else going on. Switzerland is a rich country, but not that much richer than US. I think it's a matter of low production volume. You are essentially paying for a gun from a custom shop. View Quote |
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Got my SBR paperwork back a few weeks ago and finally had some free time. Set up some plates and ran drills for most of the day, ran about a dozen different factory loads and a couple different hand loads. A little over 750 rounds of 223 and 5.56, 5 different magazine mfg’s and 0 malfunctions made for a good afternoon drive home.
Combined 5.56/223 and 9mm sent down range was a little less than 1100 rounds today. Group photo. Album |
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Not in the states, but I did see them in Germany a few weeks ago. The shop also had some polymer H&K magazines that I’ve never seen here either. I think the B&T magazines were about €45 and the H&K mags were around €50.
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This may be a dumb question but would an HK G36 stock work on the APC? The IDZ stock would be trick.
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