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Posted: 2/27/2018 1:11:55 PM EDT
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MP7 will always be cool to me and if HK made a civi one, I would buy it. 4.6x30mm ammo performs better the the 5.7x28mm, but who's need to penetrate CRISAT body armor these days, lol.
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Posted: 3/4/2018 11:28:39 AM EDT
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The people bitching about it not being 4.6 wouldn't buy it in 4.6 as a clone anyways. 5.7 is similar enough and makes way more sense. One small company making 4.6 guns isn't going to drive any ammo manufacturers to tool up for the round. |
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Posted: 3/4/2018 12:00:39 PM EDT
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 Somehow thought title read P7 clone coming.. If only.
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Posted: 3/7/2018 5:44:35 PM EDT
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I am in for 2
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Posted: 3/7/2018 10:17:29 PM EDT
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How does the refrain go? Ahhhh Yes
If one is good, two is better! I am with you. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 7:11:00 AM EDT
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I am in for 2 |
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Posted: 4/11/2018 10:09:16 PM EDT
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I'd rather have an MP7 in 5.7 anyway. Better performance and actually available.
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Posted: 4/12/2018 8:19:33 PM EDT
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One of the Tailhook braces could be fitted to this, and still have the same basic stock functions, couldn't it? I'm talking of just the end of the Tailhook, not the entire thing, by the way. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:48:59 PM EDT
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The 5.7 is a better round IMO (that means nothing I know) and I bet the MP7 would have gained more interest if HK had chambered it that way from the get go.
The MP7 has little appeal to me, I already have a bunch of guns with huge mags sticking out the bottom, P90 is master race. |
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Posted: 4/28/2018 11:59:39 PM EDT
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5.7 is the better round. You get better swept gas volume with the wider projectile, which results in higher velocity per inch of barrel length.
The Elite Protector launches a 40gr @ 1900fps from a 4.7" barrel, whereas the 4.6 launches a 40gr @ 1900fps from a 7" barrel. The swept gas volume issue is why HK was never able to release their UCP pistol; the 4.6 was unable to get sufficient velocity out of the pistol barrel. 
Had HK released the MP7 in 5.7x28, 5.7 would have likely replaced 9x19 in NATO service, and HK would have sold a whole bunch more MP7's, as the MP7 is a better PDW then then P90. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 5:26:41 PM EDT
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Thread has me rethinking a sbr ps90.
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Posted: 5/1/2018 8:09:04 PM EDT
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Thread has me rethinking a sbr ps90. |
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Posted: 5/1/2018 8:31:12 PM EDT
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Hate to say but I would rather have a Umarex clone of the MP7 in .22. The other H&K .22 models seem to be dead on in 1.1 accuracy. A "clone" is one thing...to me, a "clone" is an exact duplicate of the original. Don't call it a clone if it isn't identical to the factory gun. Just my $.02
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Posted: 5/1/2018 9:51:31 PM EDT
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Hate to say but I would rather have a Umarex clone of the MP7 in .22. The other H&K .22 models seem to be dead on in 1.1 accuracy. A "clone" is one thing...to me, a "clone" is an exact duplicate of the original. Don't call it a clone if it isn't identical to the factory gun. Just my $.02 |
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Posted: 5/2/2018 8:00:05 AM EDT
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Cosmetic appearance is a clone but operating system and actual parts interchangeability isn't? Yeah, I don't get that. Sounds like they're using a new bolt, bbl, and mags for a more common caliber while the rest of the parts are interchangeable and the gun runs and looks the same as the original. I've always wanted an MP7, but it's gonna be a long time before I can justify one. I'd have a hard time buying one in a pistol form because even with a brace you don't get the foregrip. In it's stock form it's 25" long with the stock extended; maybe if they came out with a brace that brought OAL to 26" it might be worth a look. But I'm not getting any more NFA until I retire and go back home. |
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Posted: 5/2/2018 10:52:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you shoot it out of a Daisy. Seriously, what's with these designers making rounds smaller and smaller? |
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Posted: 5/2/2018 6:12:39 PM EDT
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Hate to say but I would rather have a Umarex clone of the MP7 in .22. The other H&K .22 models seem to be dead on in 1.1 accuracy. A "clone" is one thing...to me, a "clone" is an exact duplicate of the original. Don't call it a clone if it isn't identical to the factory gun. Just my $.02 |
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Posted: 5/2/2018 7:42:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .22 WMR would be pretty cool......... |
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Posted: 5/5/2018 11:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .17 HMR would be pretty zippy, and .17 WSM would probably be pretty close to 4.6mm. |
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Posted: 5/6/2018 10:08:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .17 HMR would be pretty zippy, and .17 WSM would probably be pretty close to 4.6mm. .17 WSM 25gr @ 2600fps from a 18-20"; 4.6x30 "combat" is a 26gr @ 2380fps from a 7"; Elite S4M / Handloads for 5.7x28 is 27gr @ 2400fps from a 4.75" barrel. |
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Posted: 5/22/2018 8:31:52 PM EDT
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So...in regard to "reading between the lines" ....the "new" MP7 is suppose to look EXACTLY like the HK factory one BUT the internals could be (most likely will be) different and the caliber/magazine would be different?
My other $0.02 would be the clone be sold as a pistol BUT with the stock available for the end user to Form 1 SBR it. I'm kinda getting excited about this....My buddy has a Class 3 and can even get a LE/SOT Letter but the $10K price tag for one is a bit of stretch. |
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Posted: 5/22/2018 10:08:36 PM EDT
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I read it's supposed to be parts compatible with the stock ones with a different barrel, bolt, and magazine. So if you got those parts from HK you could swap it to the right caliber(or swap a real hk to 5.7).
Well other than having some way to block the sear for full auto the real mp7 will have. I think the idea is actually pretty cool including the ammo change, I just wish someone that isn't as shady as Todd Bailey was doing it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2018 8:57:43 PM EDT
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I read it's supposed to be parts compatible with the stock ones with a different barrel, bolt, and magazine. So if you got those parts from HK you could swap it to the right caliber(or swap a real hk to 5.7). Well other than having some way to block the sear for full auto the real mp7 will have. I think the idea is actually pretty cool including the ammo change, I just wish someone that isn't as shady as Todd Bailey was doing it. I'm happy with it being on 5.7. It's quieter suppressed and yes I'll buy a micro 5.56 can to suppress it as soon as so can get one. It'll be another year or 2 before we see this project. But I'm all on board with after talking to those involved. |
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Posted: 5/24/2018 11:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Todd Bailey has nothing to do with it from what ive been told. And the grip portion of the frame is being lengthened to take the 5.7 round. 5.7 is slightly longer than 4.6. So no, you can't convert it to 4.6. I'm happy with it being on 5.7. It's quieter suppressed and yes I'll buy a micro 5.56 can to suppress it as soon as so can get one. It'll be another year or 2 before we see this project. But I'm all on board with after talking to those involved. My point is that lie of him being out of it or not involved has been told multiple times before. Is it a lie this time? Maybe, maybe not. I personally wouldn't trust them due to their past. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 11:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .17 HMR would be pretty zippy, and .17 WSM would probably be pretty close to 4.6mm. |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 3:45:38 PM EDT
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I would also have preferred to see it in a 9/40/357 configuration. Although, to be fair, 5.7 is more in line with the original purpose of the MP7 and more available than 4.6 i would prefer it in the 9mm/22tcm, those are a bit more usable/cheap |
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Posted: 5/31/2018 5:36:04 PM EDT
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I ordered the GSG9US G36C "pistol" kit and receiver so we shall see how it turns out. If all is well and it holds up just fine and I don't need to swap american parts for German than I will be in for buying the MP7. I was told they are a year out, but Im curious if a 5.7 will fit into a MP7 4.6 magazine? According to their website it says real MP7 parts are interchangeable.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 9:42:03 PM EDT
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Really hoping they stick with the original caliber, the MP7 seems like it was built around the cartridge. Overall I think there are far less potential issues staying with the 4.6x30.
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Posted: 7/5/2018 10:19:02 PM EDT
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Really hoping they stick with the original caliber, the MP7 seems like it was built around the cartridge. Overall I think there are far less potential issues staying with the 4.6x30. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 5:59:20 AM EDT
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I try not to knowingly support Todd Bailey so I'm passing regardless of caliber.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 11:06:27 AM EDT
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I’m enjoying the few people right now that realize the size of this thing isn’t what they thought it was - but will REALLY enjoy when the first few people buy it and figure that out.
Lost 100% of interest in MP7 after holding one, firing it did nothing to change that. Effective size, stock deployed, large magazine, I think it’s larger than a P90. Probdvly larger than an MP5K, the pic on the first page already shows larger than an APC9. For years I’ve seen “but makes civ model HK!” knowing full damn well you people won’t buy one. Because if you truely wanted a tight PDW, you would have been all over the better P90 already, and sales of those have never been exceptional. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 11:29:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really hoping they stick with the original caliber, the MP7 seems like it was built around the cartridge. Overall I think there are far less potential issues staying with the 4.6x30. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 12:15:28 PM EDT
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I ordered the GSG9US G36C "pistol" kit and receiver so we shall see how it turns out. If all is well and it holds up just fine and I don't need to swap american parts for German than I will be in for buying the MP7. I was told they are a year out, but Im curious if a 5.7 will fit into a MP7 4.6 magazine? According to their website it says real MP7 parts are interchangeable. The gsg9 project uses different mags. They said you could swap it to 5.7 using hk parts though. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 1:54:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't the Germans walk away from the NATO trials throwing a hissy fit b/c their caliber didn't win, and claimed they couldn't make the MP7 chamber the Belgian round? So if you CAN make an MP7 in 5.7x28mm, you're one up on HK. |
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Posted: 7/6/2018 6:22:49 PM EDT
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Fuck that, run away, far away Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The company reeks of Todd Bailey down to the dead website and no real contact info. Omega tried to separate themselves from Todd with Wade trying to separate himself from his family. They used hkparts as a intermediate but thanks to Adam from HKparts being a pile of shit we know they didn't buy Todd Bailey's operation like people originally thought. Todd wrote to the judge as independence parts explaining how hk parts buys his entire production from that company. That told us Todd is still in the game and Omega's claims of separation are not as they seem. I just wish the Bailey clan would be open with everyone. By many accounts Wade is making a good product. Looks like gsg9 is making their omega receivers and the parts for the g36 stuff for tommy built. They have said that the coharie arms ca-416 is there predecessor(which everyone knew the tooling was coharie/titan defense). I'm guessing Todd Bailey is still involved in GSG9 due to everything else. Now this doesn't mean that the parts will be bad, some of the stuff he made was good. It does make me wonder if you will have any support if something does go wrong though. It sucks as I'd be kinda interested in this gun. Hell I even like the idea of it firing 5.7 ammo as it's more common(and I have a ps90). The questionable background makes a gun that expensive a no go for me. I'd rather not be burned for as much as that will cost when I could buy a really nice gun in the same range. Edit: Yep it is a Todd Bailey operation still. The corp info. I won't give a dime to the Baileys after the way he treated folks. Thier MP5 monopoly is over. HKParts is shady as shit; Adam's case is just what we have seen. They were a fence to keep the Bailey name away so the product was worth more. All original parts? BS. The weapon needs frequent armored level service. With a collapsing brace you'll be at damn near $3000 for a questionable clone. They couldn't even get their UMP to the price point an entire weapon could be sold. |
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Posted: 7/8/2018 11:56:02 PM EDT
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With a collapsing brace you'll be at damn near $3000 for a questionable clone. They couldn't even get their UMP to the price point an entire weapon could be sold. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 2:55:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2018 4:12:06 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/418820/Screenshot_20180716-145422-609702.JPG Bring on the tears. |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 7:21:00 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/418820/Screenshot_20180716-145422-609702.JPG Bring on the tears. 
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:28:54 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/418820/Screenshot_20180716-145422-609702.JPG Bring on the tears. I'm pretty bummed. Gonna have to build a G36 now and buy a KelTec
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Posted: 7/16/2018 10:23:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck. Patent infringement? Trademark infringement? I'm pretty bummed. Gonna have to build a G36 now and buy a KelTec |
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Posted: 7/16/2018 10:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont own an MP7, but the form factor has got to be really pretty close. The CMR30 in SBR form is really light, compact, and quite a fun little gun. It you are looking for a fun SBR that is something different than another AR, the CMR is a great little host. That said, if the new MP7 clone gets decent review I would be tempted. At first pass I think I would actually prefer FN 5.7 as it is a common caliber to my P90 SBR. My CMR30 SBR https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3567/jbntexCMR30-457914.JPG profit |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 1:48:45 PM EDT
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I get it. Manufacturing something is tough and I wanted nothing more than to see civi MP7's but honestly I'm not too surprised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Fuck. Patent infringement? Trademark infringement? I'm pretty bummed. Gonna have to build a G36 now and buy a KelTec  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 3:52:03 PM EDT
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How does that even make sense? And do they not remember the backlash over the recoil article on the MP7 saying it was too high speed for civilians to own?
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Posted: 7/17/2018 4:05:24 PM EDT
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No civilian sales.
Who do they think is going to buy it? |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 6:50:28 PM EDT
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Did HK send them a strongly worded letter?
If so I'm sure HK will release one of these a couple years from now with an 18" barrel, ten round mag, and butthole stock for about $4k. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:34:17 PM EDT
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How does that even make sense? And do they not remember the backlash over the recoil article on the MP7 saying it was too high speed for civilians to own? >Design a Civi MP7 >Don't sell to civis >Only sell to LE >LE can already buy HK MP7s. >???? >Profit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 12:48:21 AM EDT
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Did HK send them a strongly worded letter? If so I'm sure HK will release one of these a couple years from now with an 18" barrel, ten round mag, and butthole stock for about $4k. I'm guessing it has something to do with them unable to get something working right on it. Right now they are dealing with issues on their g36 parts and they still have the hk416 clone stuff that is kinda iffy. You'd think they would be more interested in dropping that with brownells importing parts that will compete with them there. I'd really take that comment as them dropping the mp7 project. I don't see anything coming from it if they are not going to sell it in the US. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 5:50:41 PM EDT
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Did HK send them a strongly worded letter? If so I'm sure HK will release one of these a couple years from now with an 18" barrel, ten round mag, and butthole stock for about $4k. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 6:56:35 PM EDT
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LOL at all the "but I wanted a 5.7mm PDW" now I'll buy a 22 from Keltec!
You can buy the superior gun the MP7 right now, it's a PS90, they're cheap, they work, it's smaller than an MP7 extended, holds more rounds, and you are supporting FN who makes guns people want and then sells them, not some shady af engineer who has been running the same scam for years. You only think you want an MP7 because you're not allowed to have it. You can have the better gun, and aren't buying it. But that's just like my opinion man... |
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