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Posted: 2/27/2019 6:02:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goldwinggoat: You guys are a little off on this. The rails are the same on both the brace and the stock. They each have three positions, but only two are useable on the brace configuration because of different plastic bumpers that can be swapped out with the THSF kit. You could also cut down the ones you have in the pistol configuration. FYI, the Tailhook brace collapsible setup has a LOP of exactly 13.5 inches. 
I would be nice to see a reasonably priced (and more reliable) trigger upgrade. The only thing that pushes my MPX-K over the GHM9 is that the Geissele trigger in the MPX-K makes a world of difference over the stock trigger and blows away the stock GHM9 trigger. Anybody with feedback on the charging handle? Is it worth the $100? I don't necessarily care for the reciprocating charging handle, but having it stick out an inch and a half bugs me more than it probably should. ROCK6 |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2019 7:53:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ROCK6: I wonder if B&T would sell the collapsible stock bumpers? I would experiment cutting them down, but if you screw it up, it's a $160 mistake
I would be nice to see a reasonably priced (and more reliable) trigger upgrade. The only thing that pushes my MPX-K over the GHM9 is that the Geissele trigger in the MPX-K makes a world of difference over the stock trigger and blows away the stock GHM9 trigger. Anybody with feedback on the charging handle? Is it worth the $100? I don't necessarily care for the reciprocating charging handle, but having it stick out an inch and a half bugs me more than it probably should. ROCK6 not sure about the "more reliable" trigger upgrade - as far as i'm aware both the stock and geissele triggers are 100% reliable.. i looked at the folding charging handle but passed because with the compact version, the folded charging handle would be hitting my hand based on my grip every shot so that was a no go. to me the folding charging handle makes more sense if you have the APC Pro (non-reciprocating) setup. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/27/2019 1:39:00 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By americaninfidel007:as far as i'm aware both the stock and geissele triggers are 100% reliable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By americaninfidel007:as far as i'm aware both the stock and geissele triggers are 100% reliable. Originally Posted By americaninfidel007:to me the folding charging handle makes more sense if you have the APC Pro (non-reciprocating) setup. 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2019 1:50:52 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: The part that makes no sense is the APC9 charging handle is well rearward where it reciprocates out of the way. Then, for the APC9 Pro they moved it well forward over the foregrip. In this location, it IS in the way if it reciprocates, so they made it non-reciprocating i hadn't heard about the trigger issue before |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2019 4:11:51 PM EST
[#5]
Where's this great B&T customer service I have heard of? E-mailed them several days ago and haven't gotten a response. Is there a US support number? Can't seem to find one. Thanks.
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Posted: 2/27/2019 4:22:35 PM EST
[#6]
TNVC has CQBL-1 lasers on sale for $594, gave over $800 for mine. it works well on my GHM9, makes for a fat grip unless you’re SBRd then its less noticable.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2019 5:26:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: sleepygreen]
[#7]
Does the MP5 maglula work on the b&t mags? I just shredded my B&T loader. Also looking at the ETS version, rifle or pistol version should work.
On a side note, have other people dinged up their ejection ports? I put 1k rounds through my gun yesterday and a spot on the port right in the middle on the top is all dinged up. Not a big deal, I like shooting the gun and will continue to do so, but wondering if other people have seen this. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:39:38 AM EST
[#8]
sleepygreen - The ETS C.A.M. Universal Loader for Rifles works well on BT mags (and AR mags)
https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Group-C-A-M-Loader-p/etscam-rifle.htm On my APC 9MM I also have wear on the top of the ejection port. According to BT it's normal |
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USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 6:04:43 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dushan:On my APC 9MM I also have wear on the top of the ejection port. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 1:01:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: americaninfidel007]
[#10]
just heard from B&T - the APC Pro is out now...still going to be awhile until the APC9K (compact) version rolls out
looks like the pistol version is running $2,350 pretty consistently...tho it's pretty much completely backordered at this point at the 3 places i checked wait for the APC9 Pro to be in stock again or start a 11.5 AR build instead of waiting? hmm choices choices |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 6:07:42 PM EST
[#11]
What is the advantage of the APC over the GHM?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 6:38:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: humahuma]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goldwinggoat:
What is the advantage of the APC over the GHM? i like the folding stock and the low sight mounts on APC9 but thats just personal preference. GHM is probably the better "value". |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:58:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: bestiller]
[#13]
The APC9 and GHM9 both have hydraulic buffers. The GHM9 is a more simplified upper from a manufacturing standpoint. IMO there’s no vast advantage of one over the other. It comes down to one’s personal stock preference I would assume. I have both and love both.
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:28:58 PM EST
[#14]
GHM9 was supposed to come in today. Of course it didn't.
 . I did receive some mags in the mail though. For $45 I was expecting something a bit more...robust? They seem pretty cheap
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 10:51:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: americaninfidel007]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goldwinggoat:
What is the advantage of the APC over the GHM? -The upper is different on the APC. Both have hydraulics, but the hydras on the APC are a bit more robust leading to a minimally softer recoil. Also the APC hydras are on the rear cap vs the bolt itself. -The setup of the APC is also more vertically integrated with the internals, which is why it has a shorter OAL length than compared to the GHM9 but is taller. The internals layout of the APC is also what allowed B&T to make it non-reciprocating (had to shift things around a bit) but at this point they said the layout makes it's not feasible to on the GHM9. All in all, GHM9 is the best bang for your buck as was mentioned above...but the APC is still the lightship of the B&T guns currently offered. APC is what the mil/le use vs the GHMs. As far as the actual "advantage" of the APC, the coolness factor? using "what they use"? i dunno, i may be wrong, but i look at is as a glock XX vs glock XX - minor differences, usually preference based vs performance based on making the choice **side note - none of this is meant to reflect negatively on the APC...if i had my choice (money and availability aside), I'd go APC hands down** |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 11:09:53 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin:
GHM9 was supposed to come in today. Of course it didn't. . I did receive some mags in the mail though. For $45 I was expecting something a bit more...robust? They seem pretty cheaphaha, you're not alone in the mag department - i think that is the universal reaction. the 45 mags are solid, wish they would have carried over for the 9. but they hold up pretty well, seems like the thing to avoid is dropping the mags fully/partially loaded on pavement. i've been dropping mine empty (during reloads) and haven't had any issues yet. also, if you feel really inclined, there is a *ghey* mag bumper B&T sells that slides on the bottom to help prevent damage...other options are 1) buy a Pro-G lower when released, which should be soon, so you can feed it glock mags or 2) every time a mag breaks, buy 2 and you'll eventually have a stock pile 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 3:33:13 PM EST
[#17]
ive broken a mag, i agree they are weak. b&t usa took care of me though.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 7:38:08 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By humahuma:
ive broken a mag, i agree they are weak. b&t usa took care of me though. |
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Posted: 3/1/2019 10:55:42 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zrockstar: How did you get that taken care of? I have e-mailed and called twice and got nothing return communication. |
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Posted: 3/2/2019 9:37:00 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin:
So they have shit customer service. Excellent. Lol. On the bright side, my GHM9 came today. It's pretty cool |
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Posted: 3/2/2019 1:34:31 PM EST
[#21]
I’ve had nothing but great communication and experiences the limited few times I’ve contacted B&T USA. It’s not a big operation, stateside, the CEO of B&T USA Tim Nickler or Director of Operations Jessica Scott usually answer the phone themselves.
As for the sturdiness of the 9mm magazines, I’ve used them for nearly 5 years and have several dozen and have yet to break one or have an issue, granted I am not an operator in a combat zone. IIRCC, someone (humahuma maybe?) had a floor plate crack on a loaded one that got dropped and B&T took care of it. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 12:51:55 AM EST
[#22]
Any updates on reasonably priced aftermarket triggers for GHM9?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 9:47:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: humahuma]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zrockstar: How did you get that taken care of? I have e-mailed and called twice and got nothing return communication. email one of them directly. |
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Posted: 3/3/2019 2:28:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: Tballz9]
[#24]
Greetings from Switzerland. I just found this thread and wanted to drop in and show off my new Brügger and Thomet GHM9 carbine. I just got it in the mail a few days ago. I also ordered a bunch of mags and two mag couplers to link them together. So far I am super happy with the gun, and it is surprisingly accurate with open sights. I took it out to the range yesterday and had a great time running it. I shot about 250 rounds through it with no issues.
Mine has a 19 serial number prefix, but it isn't a US serial number gun. I'm guessing it is a gen 2, as it was just made last week. I have no need to use glock mags, and hollow points are illegal here, so gen 1 spec is fine. Here is a picture of it with the stock folded in as it sits on my desk. https://imgur.com/a/TgjL6W5 And here is a picture of it with the stock unfolded with the gun sitting on top of the factory shipping case. https://imgur.com/a/w0dlvdP Not sure why I can't seem to make the pictures show up here in the thread. Anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this? https://imgur.com/Yjkh0Nf |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 2:44:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smiller4169:
It’s a Gen 1. The upper isn’t 2 pieces: receiver and rail. Go back a page or two and look at my photos, that’s what a Gen 2 looks like. The handguard will be separate on a Gen 2. |
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Posted: 3/3/2019 2:48:13 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly:
Other than the removable handguard on the Gen 2, what else is actually different vs a Gen 1 that has had the feedramp update done to it? I found a brand new 1st Gen for $1100 which has got me really tempted... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly:
Originally Posted By smiller4169:
It’s a Gen 1. The upper isn’t 2 pieces: receiver and rail. Go back a page or two and look at my photos, that’s what a Gen 2 looks like. The handguard will be separate on a Gen 2. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 3:09:59 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mak0: Gen 2 bolt is glock mag compatible (when the lowers are finally available) |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 4:58:32 PM EST
[#28]
I’ve had two customer service instanced with B&T USA. Both involved a P26. The first was a broken rear sight and the second was some minor kinking with the recoil spring. Tim helped me personally on the first one, Jessica on the second. Both were available by phone, answered on the first ring and had my replacement parts out the same day. Jessica was particularly interested in my thoughts on the company and we talked about our collections. Frankly, the customer support has been solid. I do know that they are overrun with emails and there is a delay in responding. Most emails are about product release dates, so wading through those can be time consuming. Would recommend a phone call.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 7:10:50 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tballz9:
Greetings from Switzerland. I just found this thread and wanted to drop in and show off my new Brügger and Thomet GHM9 carbine. I just got it in the mail a few days ago. I also ordered a bunch of mags and two mag couplers to link them together. So far I am super happy with the gun, and it is surprisingly accurate with open sights. I took it out to the range yesterday and had a great time running it. I shot about 250 rounds through it with no issues. Mine has a 19 serial number prefix, but it isn't a US serial number gun. I'm guessing it is a gen 2, as it was just made last week. I have no need to use glock mags, and hollow points are illegal here, so gen 1 spec is fine. Here is a picture of it with the stock folded in as it sits on my desk. https://imgur.com/a/TgjL6W5 And here is a picture of it with the stock unfolded with the gun sitting on top of the factory shipping case. https://imgur.com/a/w0dlvdP Not sure why I can't seem to make the pictures show up here in the thread. Anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this? https://imgur.com/Yjkh0Nf Nice gun! Since you're using imgur, when you're on your images page (assuming on the desktop page), select an image and it should pull up all the different sharing links for you. You'll want to select the "BBCode" and then I recommend selecting the resize option "large thumbnail" that shows up on the bottom under all the sharing links. If you're on mobile it's a little more complicated. You can still select "BBCode" but it won't give you the resize option. The standard image will likely be super huge when other people are viewing it on a forum. To get around that you need to add the letter "L" in lowercase just before the ".jpg" in the link it generates. Here's what it'll look like when you're editing your post just without the spaces in between the brackets: [ img ]https://imgur.com/Yjkh0Nfl.jpg[ /img ] Here's your photo using that same code above without the spaces between the brackets: 
Hope that helps! |
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Posted: 3/3/2019 9:07:13 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tballz9:
Greetings from Switzerland. I just found this thread and wanted to drop in and show off my new Brügger and Thomet GHM9 carbine. I just got it in the mail a few days ago. I also ordered a bunch of mags and two mag couplers to link them together. So far I am super happy with the gun, and it is surprisingly accurate with open sights. I took it out to the range yesterday and had a great time running it. I shot about 250 rounds through it with no issues. Mine has a 19 serial number prefix, but it isn't a US serial number gun. I'm guessing it is a gen 2, as it was just made last week. I have no need to use glock mags, and hollow points are illegal here, so gen 1 spec is fine. Here is a picture of it with the stock folded in as it sits on my desk. https://imgur.com/a/TgjL6W5 And here is a picture of it with the stock unfolded with the gun sitting on top of the factory shipping case. https://imgur.com/a/w0dlvdP Not sure why I can't seem to make the pictures show up here in the thread. Anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this? https://imgur.com/Yjkh0Nf |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2019 11:49:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
[#31]
Nvm.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2019 8:22:17 AM EST
[#32]
Heard back from B&T yesterday. They said they hadn't received my emails but admitted that they have been a little behind because of an ATF inspection. At any rate, got a call from Jessica and an email from Tim. Both were very nice and quick to resolve my mag issue.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2019 8:31:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: zrockstar]
[#33]
Also got my double star strong arm brace in yesterday for my buffer tubed GHM9 and think it looks good.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2019 10:24:13 AM EST
[#34]
zrockstar - nice looking setup! glad you're happy with it, definitely like the look of the optics you chose
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CHE
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Posted: 3/7/2019 11:58:06 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bmo419: @Tballz9 Nice gun! Since you're using imgur, when you're on your images page (assuming on the desktop page), select an image and it should pull up all the different sharing links for you. You'll want to select the "BBCode" and then I recommend selecting the resize option "large thumbnail" that shows up on the bottom under all the sharing links. If you're on mobile it's a little more complicated. You can still select "BBCode" but it won't give you the resize option. The standard image will likely be super huge when other people are viewing it on a forum. To get around that you need to add the letter "L" in lowercase just before the ".jpg" in the link it generates. Here's what it'll look like when you're editing your post just without the spaces in between the brackets: [ img ]https://imgur.com/Yjkh0Nfl.jpg[ /img ] Here's your photo using that same code above without the spaces between the brackets: https://imgur.com/Yjkh0Nfl.jpg Hope that helps! |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 12:00:03 PM EST
[#36]
It is really nice. It fits into the pocket of my shoulder very well and is more comfortable and slip resistant than it looks. At first I thought it positioned my face rather close to the rear of the receiver, but the very low recoil makes that not really an issue.
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Posted: 3/8/2019 10:42:29 AM EST
[#37]
Is there a stock adapter available to use APC stocks?
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2019 12:53:14 PM EST
[#38]
Brownells has the Gen 2 non-compact in stock @ $1549. Yay or nay? It's my understanding that the 1st Gens were about $200 less?
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USA
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Posted: 3/11/2019 1:06:54 PM EST
[#39]
They’re 10% off coupons are pretty frequent these days, so I’d wait to use one, but your pockets may be deeper than mine.
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Posted: 3/11/2019 1:10:10 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL:
They’re 10% off coupons are pretty frequent these days, so I’d wait to use one, but your pockets may be deeper than mine. |
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Posted: 3/11/2019 1:12:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: mk4dubbin]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly:
Brownells has the Gen 2 non-compact in stock @ $1549. Yay or nay? It's my understanding that the 1st Gens were about $200 less? |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2019 4:33:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin: B&T raised their prices recently. $1500 is the new normal. I would highly suggest you buy one at THSF. Great people, free shipping, and free engraving (SUPER happy with mine), and $50 cheaper than Brownells. https://tarheelstatefirearms.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=17_122&product_id=435 
Thanks for link! |
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USA
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Posted: 3/11/2019 8:19:10 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin:Coupons don't work on B&T products anymore |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2019 5:25:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: americaninfidel007]
[#44]
what optic are you all running on your B&Ts? and what's your feedback? specifically, any of you running RMR (or similar type) optics.
I'm currently running a T2...but i'm in the process of building out another AR (11.5) and one of my options is to pull the T2 off the ghm9 and replace it with an RMR. I run the RMRs on 2 glocks, but i'm not sure if i'd like it (afraid it'll feel too small) on the ghm9 if i made the switch |
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Posted: 3/12/2019 6:40:16 PM EST
[#45]
I had an RMR with the Scalarworks Mount and thought it was too small for a GHM. I am running the T2 with KAC Mount.
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USA
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Posted: 3/12/2019 8:28:55 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL:There’s been a few reports of the stock trigger’s disconnector/hammer wearing or out of spec which leads to doubling and hammer follow as happened on my APC9. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/12/2019 10:29:20 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By americaninfidel007:
what optic are you all running on your B&Ts? and what's your feedback? specifically, any of you running RMR (or similar type) optics. I'm currently running a T2...but i'm in the process of building out another AR (11.5) and one of my options is to pull the T2 off the ghm9 and replace it with an RMR. I run the RMRs on 2 glocks, but i'm not sure if i'd like it (afraid it'll feel too small) on the ghm9 if i made the switch |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:01:14 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Quoting myself, but to follow up on why mine was doubling, it’s one the way back to me and per B&T, “disconnectors being used for replacement are improved heat treated ones that are the same as what’s being installed in the Pro series now”, so not to expect any more issues.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/13/2019 8:02:16 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goldwinggoat:
I had an RMR with the Scalarworks Mount and thought it was too small for a GHM. I am running the T2 with KAC Mount. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/13/2019 1:03:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: CJofFL]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By americaninfidel007:you should have asked them just to replace the lower with the Pro model ETA: specifically, I suggested they do so if they had the least bit of trouble correcting mine ;). They also worked on an issues of the mag falling out. |
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