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Posted: 4/20/2020 8:28:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: That is a Bren 2 prior to the MS modification of the forend design, that is not a Bren 807. all Bren 2 and 2MS have the insert installed in the 5.56 AR mag guns, and removed to allow for the proprietary 7.62x39 Bren mags. The 807 is the 7.62 NATO version of the gun and it is slightly larger and the magwell recesses on the exterior are angled at 45 degrees IIRC. Sven Manticore Arms Cz Bren 807 is the full auto military 7.62 x 39 and 5.56. The 806 is the semi auto 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. The BR is the .308. Here is the link to Cz's website withthe 807: https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-family/cz-807 |
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Posted: 4/20/2020 8:50:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Cz Bren 807 is the full auto military 7.62 x 39 and 5.56. The 806 is the semi auto 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. The BR is the .308. Here is the link to Cz's website withthe 807: https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-family/cz-807 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: That is a Bren 2 prior to the MS modification of the forend design, that is not a Bren 807. all Bren 2 and 2MS have the insert installed in the 5.56 AR mag guns, and removed to allow for the proprietary 7.62x39 Bren mags. The 807 is the 7.62 NATO version of the gun and it is slightly larger and the magwell recesses on the exterior are angled at 45 degrees IIRC. Sven Manticore Arms Cz Bren 807 is the full auto military 7.62 x 39 and 5.56. The 806 is the semi auto 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. The BR is the .308. Here is the link to Cz's website withthe 807: https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-family/cz-807 Ah, I stand corrected! CZ sure likes their scrabble like naming conventions, lol  Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 6:36:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: tifosi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: That is a Bren 2 prior to the MS modification of the forend design, that is not a Bren 807. all Bren 2 and 2MS have the insert installed in the 5.56 AR mag guns, and removed to allow for the proprietary 7.62x39 Bren mags. The 807 is the 7.62 NATO version of the gun and it is slightly larger and the magwell recesses on the exterior are angled at 45 degrees IIRC. Sven Manticore Arms You're thinking of the Bren BR. Those pictures of the "807 A1" which is a 16" barreled variant of the Bren 2 developed specifically for India. Here is the original article in Small Arms Defense Journal And here is the CZUB webpage for it Bren 807 A1 Notice how the grip is a hybrid between the 805 and the Bren 2 series grips...  eta: Oops, I see it's been addressed. I'll leave my post though for the next guy. 
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Posted: 4/21/2020 6:41:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: tifosi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Cz Bren 807 is the full auto military 7.62 x 39 and 5.56. The 806 is the semi auto 5.56 and 7.62 x 39. The BR is the .308. Here is the link to Cz's website withthe 807: https://www.czub.cz/en/firearms-and-products-family/cz-807 The Bren 2 is select fire. The Bren 2 S and MS are the semi-auto models. (The "806" was the project number for the Bren 2 during development, but that was dropped from the name when it went into production.) |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:33:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: Bit unrelated, but I came across this BREN 807 rifle. I don't think they'll sell this stateside. Essentially it is a 7.62x39 rifle that can be converted to 5.56 with a magazine adapter/barrel. Not sure if the BREN 2 MS can do this. http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/02052016-19.jpg http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/02052016-20.jpg http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/02052016-22.jpg I'm assuming for the BREN 2 MS, the 7.62x39 vs 5.56 magazine wells are incompatible? I popped my 2 Ms open, and that insert is present. Removing it entails removing the mag catch, then I believe it slides out. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 3:28:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: The 807 is completely unique and developed specifically for India. The Bren 2 is select fire. The Bren 2 S and MS are the semi-auto models. (The "806" was the project number for the Bren 2 during development, but that was dropped from the name when it went into production.) Certainly the closest overview I've seen. Anything else is essentially semantics. Anyhow, this thread needs more pictures  Attached File |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:03:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Certainly the closest overview I've seen. Anything else is essentially semantics. Anyhow, this thread needs more pictures https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/299270/Resized_20200326_194509_1__jpeg-1379338.JPG SO you gonna give the details about the top build (swapping barrel etc...) and any info on the suppressor gas port setting of the carbine version? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:30:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi: The 807 is completely unique and developed specifically for India. The Bren 2 is select fire. The Bren 2 S and MS are the semi-auto models. (The "806" was the project number for the Bren 2 during development, but that was dropped from the name when it went into production.) The 807 isnt unique to India. It says that on wikipedia but right on Cz's website it has the 807 listed and it is the select fire Military contracted Assault rifle in 5.56 and 7.62x39 for Czech Army, Hungarian Army, India, etc.. It has an 807 Model # on the receiver and it has a different gas tube and the 807 carbines uses a short piston the same as the short barrels. The S and Ms model are considered the more modular model and can be semi auto for civilian market or select fire for Le agencies, etc.. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:42:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Certainly the closest overview I've seen. Anything else is essentially semantics. Anyhow, this thread needs more pictures https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/299270/Resized_20200326_194509_1__jpeg-1379338.JPG Is that a custom made 13" barrel for your Bren 2 Carbine? |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:46:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smurgeon: SO you gonna give the details about the top build (swapping barrel etc...) and any info on the suppressor gas port setting of the carbine version? I'll get around to it haha. As far as the suppressor gas port setting. It is included on all carbines (takes the place of the over-gassed setting. So you have regular, supressed and off). Size is about 1.8mm but I'm not sure that is particularly useful information as port size is directly linked to port pressure, dwell time, gas tube volume, relief port size, and piston head surface area (none of which are the same between the carbine and any of the pistol variants) so it would be completely invalid for anything but a carbine, which it is of course already included with.
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:55:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Is that a custom made 13" barrel for your Bren 2 Carbine? Just a reworked carbine barrel chopped to 14.5 and dimpled by Daniel Fisher over at halcyon defense. He did an excellent job. I've got a 6.5 barrel blank sitting around that ill eventually get around to making a grendel out of whenever I finally stop procrastinating. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 4:58:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Just a reworked carbine barrel chopped to 14.5 and dimpled by Daniel Fisher over at halcyon defense. He did an excellent job. I've got a 6.5 barrel blank sitting around that ill eventually get around to making a grendel out of whenever I finally stop procrastinating. Who...ARE...you??? lol. I feel like you're some top level CZ executive that masquerades as a regular joe. You're like the Clark Kent and Superman of the Bren 2 universe. :P Any issues with the 14.5 inch chop? I have a 16 inch gun on order and I was thinking about taking it down to 13.7 with a NOX pinned and welded. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 5:17:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Just a reworked carbine barrel chopped to 14.5 and dimpled by Daniel Fisher over at halcyon defense. He did an excellent job. I've got a 6.5 barrel blank sitting around that ill eventually get around to making a grendel out of whenever I finally stop procrastinating. Very nice. Did you need to adjust the port size for the shorter barrel? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 5:33:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Just a reworked carbine barrel How the fuck are you getting carbine parts when I can't even get a new gas tube to replace my broken one on a pistol version that has been in the states longer?!?! |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 5:37:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Very nice. Did you need to adjust the port size for the shorter barrel? Went about it a little differently and lightened the carrier and resprung the op rod instead. If trying to keep all other parts stock, yes you would need to open up the port on the barrel itself. Standard setting gas tube port is already overbored passed that of the barrel port and not too much smaller than the port opening of the gas block, so adjusting it wont really change much. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 5:42:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: BisonWorld]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smurgeon: How the fuck are you getting carbine parts when I can't even get a new gas tube to replace my broken one on a pistol version that has been in the states longer?!?! Complete carbines hit the market a couple weeks ago? No idea about replacement parts. ETA. Everything there is just a modification of the stock gun, plus some aftermarket parts from HBI like the trigger shoe, safety and charging handle. OP rod spring was ordered from a custom spring shop. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:24:56 PM EST
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Debating getting a 11" in 5.56. Anyone have one that has it suppressed? How is it? Gassy or perfect?
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USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 9:28:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: I popped my 2 Ms open, and that insert is present. Removing it entails removing the mag catch, then I believe it slides out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By Flogger23m: Bit unrelated, but I came across this BREN 807 rifle. I don't think they'll sell this stateside. Essentially it is a 7.62x39 rifle that can be converted to 5.56 with a magazine adapter/barrel. Not sure if the BREN 2 MS can do this. http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/02052016-19.jpg http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/02052016-20.jpg http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/02052016-22.jpg I'm assuming for the BREN 2 MS, the 7.62x39 vs 5.56 magazine wells are incompatible? I popped my 2 Ms open, and that insert is present. Removing it entails removing the mag catch, then I believe it slides out. Nice to know. I assume you can swap the uppers between lowers and remove the mag insert as needed. Probably won't be cost effective in the short run, but maybe CZ will start selling uppers in different barrel lengths and calibers. EX) Have a 7.62x39 rifle, but want a 5.56 upper/mag well insert. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:36:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By balthezor: Debating getting a 11" in 5.56. Anyone have one that has it suppressed? How is it? Gassy or perfect? |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 3:52:02 AM EST
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Bison is right - need moar pics.
Decided to stretch it out to the longest the private range can offer, 200 yards. Steel target is between the second and third pallet on the right, see it?  Attached File200 yards, 11 inch barrel, iron sights, 129gr cast handloads, kneeling, 15 MPH gusting cross wind, this was the best I could do, 3 out of 5. Sorry, I know this puts me at the bottom of the internet shooter pack.  I would love to see what she could do with a decent dot and some top dog FMJ ammo.  Attached File |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:34:47 PM EST
[#21]
All I want is a stock....
and an 11" barrel kit |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:30:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Magsz18]
[#22]
Pics, because you guys demanded it. :)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/igmtAUPHq5GRGX6m7 |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 11:01:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Magsz18: Pics, because you guys demanded it. :) https://photos.app.goo.gl/igmtAUPHq5GRGX6m7 Looks great! And very very loud Pic thread.  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 11:19:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Looks great! And very very loud Pic thread. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/299270/20200423_110101_jpg-1382257.JPG Are you happy with the Bren 2 Carbine? Is it what you hoped it would be and are you glad you sold your KAC SR 15 and made this your go to weapon of choice? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 2:21:29 PM EST
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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/04/23/czech-army-buys-more-cz-bren-2-cz-p-10-and-pdw-cz-scorpions/?fbclid=IwAR3JhUODIJNMXNSQUv5NkrFd6Pf0Bm6ukXUaV7l5yYQ8Uv_NvghMf1cBgCc
Czech Military must like the Bren 2s. Must be holding up pretty well under harsh conditions. I notice that the military 16" Carbines use the same short piston gas system as the Pistol Length S Models unlike the Ms Carbine sold here in the USA. |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 3:40:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/04/23/czech-army-buys-more-cz-bren-2-cz-p-10-and-pdw-cz-scorpions/?fbclid=IwAR3JhUODIJNMXNSQUv5NkrFd6Pf0Bm6ukXUaV7l5yYQ8Uv_NvghMf1cBgCc Czech Military must like the Bren 2s. Must be holding up pretty well under harsh conditions. I notice that the military 16" Carbines use the same short piston gas system as the Pistol Length S Models unlike the Ms Carbine sold here in the USA. Cool, wonder what role the Bren 308 will play if being used in their military as pictured in the background I shoulda picked up the 2s in 5.56 while still available at the time  |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 3:42:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/04/23/czech-army-buys-more-cz-bren-2-cz-p-10-and-pdw-cz-scorpions/?fbclid=IwAR3JhUODIJNMXNSQUv5NkrFd6Pf0Bm6ukXUaV7l5yYQ8Uv_NvghMf1cBgCc Czech Military must like the Bren 2s. Must be holding up pretty well under harsh conditions. I notice that the military 16" Carbines use the same short piston gas system as the Pistol Length S Models unlike the Ms Carbine sold here in the USA. Pretty sure the .mil guns have 14 inch barrels. |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 3:44:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Looks great! And very very loud Pic thread. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/299270/20200423_110101_jpg-1382257.JPG Very nice |
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Posted: 4/23/2020 4:21:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Sugar_Weasel: Pretty sure the .mil guns have 14 inch barrels. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 4:22:55 PM EST
[#30]
Received my carbine today. Doesn't come with backup sights?
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 4:23:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Sugar_Weasel: Pretty sure the .mil guns have 14 inch barrels. I think you are correct. 11", 14" and 16" models. |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 4:53:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sel-3150: Received my carbine today. Doesn't come with backup sights? Where did you order from? Description when ordering, did they mention anything about it coming with back up sights? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 5:04:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar671: Where did you order from? Description when ordering, did they mention anything about it coming with back up sights? Comes without sights |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 7:34:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BisonWorld: Looks great! And very very loud Its actually not that bad. 7.62X39 isnt quite as concussive as most of my short barreled 556 guns. Eventually a Sandman K will call the front of that gun home. :) |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2020 10:50:23 AM EST
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I've been patiently waiting for the Carbine version. I have the 14" pistol in 5.56, but I'll be selling it for the carbine when it's readily available. I am glad to hear that it has the suppressor setting. How did they not include that in the pistol version???
I've been all over forums about this gun... I've thought about just drilling a hole for a suppressor setting, however I am not comfortable with it. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2020 11:15:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castroyy: I've been patiently waiting for the Carbine version. I have the 14" pistol in 5.56, but I'll be selling it for the carbine when it's readily available. I am glad to hear that it has the suppressor setting. How did they not include that in the pistol version??? I've been all over forums about this gun... I've thought about just drilling a hole for a suppressor setting, however I am not comfortable with it. I f you drill the supressor port and mess it up you are out nothing. Start small and tune it to where it works perfect for your suppressor and ammo. You will be able to buy new gas tubes in the future also just like the 805. Many have done this and Im sure they will give you the port size. Take to a local machinist and they can do it for you in 5 minutes. Im suprised Cz did away with the adverse conditions gas setting for the carbine. |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2020 4:08:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Comes without sights Wow...no sights for almost a 2k carbine, thumbs down for CZ on this one if true. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2020 7:47:01 PM EST
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I just bought the 11" 5.56. I will mainly run it suppressed. From reading the thread, the Off position on the gas block doesn't have much use? So you can drill the hole there?
I will try searching back for the drill size, but if anyone can chime in on the smallest size they used, that be great. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2020 8:20:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: rustyboy]
[#39]
I have a 14" 5.56. I'm at about .040 with a sandman K.
It depends on your supressor and barrel length. The port size is different per caliber and length. The 11" is bigger. Fire a few rounds from the zero position so you have a good mark to find where to drill. I used a 2 flute end mill and made a very small hole at about 0.027 then just used wire gauge drills on the range to find one that would lock back on an empty mag on Wolf steel. Takes a while, but kind of fun to tinker. Mine would eject, reset trigger, but not strip a new round at about .035". |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2020 4:23:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rustyboy: I have a 14" 5.56. I'm at about .040 with a sandman K. It depends on your supressor and barrel length. The port size is different per caliber and length. The 11" is bigger. Fire a few rounds from the zero position so you have a good mark to find where to drill. I used a 2 flute end mill and made a very small hole at about 0.027 then just used wire gauge drills on the range to find one that would lock back on an empty mag on Wolf steel. Takes a while, but kind of fun to tinker. Mine would eject, reset trigger, but not strip a new round at about .035". How's the gas to face? Given that its a pretty sealed system it should be quite pleasant. Thoughts? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2020 10:00:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Magsz18: How's the gas to face? Given that its a pretty sealed system it should be quite pleasant. Thoughts? Most of extra gas is vented out the muzzle end of the gas regulator. It is drilled out, if you've noticed. There is no gas to the face. It's quite awesome. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2020 12:11:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rustyboy: Most of extra gas is vented out the muzzle end of the gas regulator. It is drilled out, if you've noticed. There is no gas to the face. It's quite awesome. Thanks for the tips. I guess if I mess up the hole, I can just use normal or adverse setting? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 1:18:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: lordboogie]
[#43]
I worked with euro-military.com to help bring in Bren 2s rails for those of use who have and want them since CZ-USA was unwilling to help. I'm still trying to get them to source the bottom pic rail, but the side rails are available for purchase.
http://www.euro-military.com/CZ-Bren-2-S-Side-Weaver-Rails-Set-2pcs-d801.htm |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 1:29:08 PM EST
[#44]
Would you guys trade a AUG for a Bren 2? I love my AUG but am going back and forth on whether or not I want the 14" Bren 2 in 5.56, then I can pin/weld a flash hider on it to get it over 16", throw an ACR stock on it, and get some US made parts for 922r without going the tax stamp route.
So to comply with 922r I am thinking HBI trigger/sear, HBI handguard, ACR stock, U.S. made mags and I should be good, if I were to go this route? That magazines count as 3 parts of I am not mistaken? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 1:31:00 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: Would you guys trade a AUG for a Bren 2? I love my AUG but am going back and forth on whether or not I want the 14" Bren 2 in 5.56, then I can pin/weld a flash hider on it to get it over 16", throw an ACR stock on it, and get some US made parts for 922r without going the tax stamp route. So to comply with 922r I am thinking HBI trigger/sear, HBI handguard, ACR stock, U.S. made mags and I should be good, if I were to go this route? That magazines count as 3 parts of I am not mistaken? That's what I did wrt 922r. Never ran an AUG, so no help there. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 2:10:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lordboogie: I worked with euro-military.com to help bring in Bren 2s rails for those of use who have and want them since CZ-USA was unwilling to help. I'm still trying to get them to source the bottom pic rail, but the side rails are available for purchase. http://www.euro-military.com/CZ-Bren-2-S-Side-Weaver-Rails-Set-2pcs-d801.htm Do you know if the bottom rail will be available at some point for purchase from them? Do you know why the bottom rails arent available? Thanks for the heads up on these! |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 2:14:52 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: Would you guys trade a AUG for a Bren 2? I love my AUG but am going back and forth on whether or not I want the 14" Bren 2 in 5.56, then I can pin/weld a flash hider on it to get it over 16", throw an ACR stock on it, and get some US made parts for 922r without going the tax stamp route. So to comply with 922r I am thinking HBI trigger/sear, HBI handguard, ACR stock, U.S. made mags and I should be good, if I were to go this route? That magazines count as 3 parts of I am not mistaken? I cant imagine a better weapon than the Bren 2 so i would for sure. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 2:33:29 PM EST
[#48]
Cross post:
I have a Bren 2 MS 11" in 5.56. My friend has a brand new, never fired Bren 2 S version in 9 inch and 7.62x39. Do you guys think its worth to spend $1700 for it? I am very happy with my Bren 2MS, but since the S version is all sold out, was wondering if I should pull the trigger and add to the collection. Are the S version pretty valuable now? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 2:38:17 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By balthezor: Cross post: I have a Bren 2 MS 11" in 5.56. My friend has a brand new, never fired Bren 2 S version in 9 inch and 7.62x39. Do you guys think its worth to spend $1700 for it? I am very happy with my Bren 2MS, but since the S version is all sold out, was wondering if I should pull the trigger and add to the collection. Are the S version pretty valuable now? You should keep the ms and sell the s model to me |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/26/2020 3:17:59 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff: Do you know if the bottom rail will be available at some point for purchase from them? Do you know why the bottom rails arent available? Thanks for the heads up on these! I'm hoping so, I asked them if they can get the bottom rail as well, and they said they will contact CZ and see. They were able to obtain these in about a few days, so its hopeful. I think if more people contact them and see the demand we will get them. I reached out via their Facebook channel, I also let them know I would let the people know they have them available. |
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