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Originally Posted By coregon: There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. View Quote @coregon I agree with your perspective and points. No matter what, there will always be that someone with a complaint especially when it has something to do with SIG. If SIG wasn't doing something right, then there'd be no innovation within their catalog, no NGSW discussion pertinent to SIG, or Haters to help gauge how bad there products look compared to SIG. Keep it coming! Oh and while your at it can you come over to the 716I thread? We could use some SIG representation and clarification regarding specs. https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/The-SIG-716I-TREAD-The-best-AR-308-AR-10-type-rifle-for-the-money-/45-521591/? |
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Originally Posted By Cops66: I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle (let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… View Quote If the big dealers were mandated by Sig to sell the gun for "retail" then it would be the private buyers auctioning the guns for $25,000. It's a collectible limited edition, I think this is expected and fine. If the market demands 500,000+ units of the production model Spear then Sig will gladly push them out to the public as they are able. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. View Quote |
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I'm starting to wonder if there's any special groups out there testing .277Fury on Russian body armor in a hyper-realistic scenario.
We've seen lots of MCXs in pics there. |
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Originally Posted By goloud: My WAG is 5.56 MCX's donated by the UK. Haven't seen any "large frame" MCXs. View Quote As for the big block MCX slotting commies, I can hope, right? BTW, got anymore SPEAR pics? |
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Originally Posted By coregon: Ahemm, 6.8x51 would be the NATO designation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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What optic(s) are you guys planning once this thing gets released?
I've got a Trijicon 1-8 that is currently on a SBR Grendel build, but it'll get repurposed for this once it gets released, unless I find something nicer. I'm thinking I'll buy whatever version I can find first, and unless the price of .277 comes down, there is a fuckton of 6.5 Jesusmoor here locally. And for nighttime fun, I'll mount my Nox35. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By Cops66: I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle (let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… To me (a nobody) it sends the message that Sig cares more about the publicity/press this "limited release" generates and less about their actual customers. Just my .02 as someone who could have afforded one but passed. Don't see any real reason why the "limited" model can't be sold as a production model. Is "Live free or die" still the slogan? I know I'll get flamed for having an opinion ETA: Not referring to the dealer auction situation. People would have flipped them anyway. There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. What are the differences between the production model and the limited release? Is it a matter of the total package (deployment kit + suppressor) or are there any significant cosmetic/functional differences? |
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Originally Posted By Apec: What are the differences between the production model and the limited release? Is it a matter of the total package (deployment kit + suppressor) or are there any significant cosmetic/functional differences? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By Cops66: I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle (let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… To me (a nobody) it sends the message that Sig cares more about the publicity/press this "limited release" generates and less about their actual customers. Just my .02 as someone who could have afforded one but passed. Don't see any real reason why the "limited" model can't be sold as a production model. Is "Live free or die" still the slogan? I know I'll get flamed for having an opinion ETA: Not referring to the dealer auction situation. People would have flipped them anyway. There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. What are the differences between the production model and the limited release? Is it a matter of the total package (deployment kit + suppressor) or are there any significant cosmetic/functional differences? It will by-and-large be the same gun. Maybe small cosmetic changes, etc. Same pedigree and foundation. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: It will by-and-large be the same gun. Maybe small cosmetic changes, etc. Same pedigree and foundation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By Cops66: I’m shocked that SIG would allow these bigger dealers to offer them up for auction (besides charity). The common man with $8,000.00 to spend in their dream rifle (let’s say) still doesn’t stand a chance… To me (a nobody) it sends the message that Sig cares more about the publicity/press this "limited release" generates and less about their actual customers. Just my .02 as someone who could have afforded one but passed. Don't see any real reason why the "limited" model can't be sold as a production model. Is "Live free or die" still the slogan? I know I'll get flamed for having an opinion ETA: Not referring to the dealer auction situation. People would have flipped them anyway. There's a production model on its way. This gun is for anyone who might care about the way the NGSW gun was submitted to trials and testing. If you are just looking for a large-framed MCX and dont care about the arc of the NGSW program, then the production model(s) will be right up your alley. Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. What are the differences between the production model and the limited release? Is it a matter of the total package (deployment kit + suppressor) or are there any significant cosmetic/functional differences? It will by-and-large be the same gun. Maybe small cosmetic changes, etc. Same pedigree and foundation. By small cosmetic changes, what kind of examples are possible? Is it going to be something like different engravings, different handguard/muzzle device/furniture, or will we be seeing parts with different finishes? |
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So I wonder how they are even going to keep the Spear and Raptor in stock when they can’t even keep up with demand on the Virtus.
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Originally Posted By Apec: By small cosmetic changes, what kind of examples are possible? Is it going to be something like different engravings, different handguard/muzzle device/furniture, or will we be seeing parts with different finishes? View Quote I'd expect the changes might include: - Barrel Length (16 inches and possibly longer... or even shorter) - Caliber Options (Adding 308Win/7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor) - Color Options (Black, FDE, and Possibly Grey) - Handguards (Different Lengths and Possibly Types - Suppressor Compatible) Of course... these are all guesses. |
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142: I'd expect the changes might include: - Barrel Length (16 inches and possibly longer... or even shorter) - Caliber Options (Adding 308Win/7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor) - Color Options (Black, FDE, and Possibly Grey) - Handguards (Different Lengths and Possibly Types - Suppressor Compatible) Of course... these are all guesses. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Originally Posted By Apec: By small cosmetic changes, what kind of examples are possible? Is it going to be something like different engravings, different handguard/muzzle device/furniture, or will we be seeing parts with different finishes? I'd expect the changes might include: - Barrel Length (16 inches and possibly longer... or even shorter) - Caliber Options (Adding 308Win/7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor) - Color Options (Black, FDE, and Possibly Grey) - Handguards (Different Lengths and Possibly Types - Suppressor Compatible) Of course... these are all guesses. True, what I’m most interested in knowing is if there is a production option for a gun that is mostly “clone correct” - like how FN’s SCAR 17/20 are pretty much clones of the Mk17/Mk20 with the exception of markings, select-fire, barrel lengths and muzzle devices, or the HK SP5 being as close as you can get to a gov-issue MP5, minus the markings, select-fire, trigger housing/shelf, and sear block. |
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Originally Posted By Sniper3142: I'd expect the changes might include: - Barrel Length (16 inches and possibly longer... or even shorter) - Caliber Options (Adding 308Win/7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor) - Color Options (Black, FDE, and Possibly Grey) - Handguards (Different Lengths and Possibly Types - Suppressor Compatible) Of course... these are all guesses. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Originally Posted By Apec: By small cosmetic changes, what kind of examples are possible? Is it going to be something like different engravings, different handguard/muzzle device/furniture, or will we be seeing parts with different finishes? I'd expect the changes might include: - Barrel Length (16 inches and possibly longer... or even shorter) - Caliber Options (Adding 308Win/7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor) - Color Options (Black, FDE, and Possibly Grey) - Handguards (Different Lengths and Possibly Types - Suppressor Compatible) Of course... these are all guesses. When the Raptor comes out with the 8" barrel, it really would make sense to offer a suppressor width handguard. Basically, what I want is a big-boy LVAW in 8.6blk. A man can dream, can't he? |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: When the Raptor comes out with the 8" barrel, it really would make sense to offer a suppressor width handguard. Basically, what I want is a big-boy LVAW in 8.6blk. A man can dream, can't he? View Quote Let’s hope the Raptor comes out soon. I really want one of these. |
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Originally Posted By narphenal: Hello everyone. Don't normally venture out from GD too much, but was told to come post here. What questions can I help answer? https://i.imgur.com/PwaaW1c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/O04jwYO.jpg View Quote I desire to see the BCG and barrel/piston in the nude, because I'm really curious how it compares to the MCX. How does the weight feel? Are you going to shoot it, or will it be a safe queen? |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955: Thanks for posting, long lost daddy! I desire to see the BCG and barrel/piston in the nude, because I'm really curious how it compares to the MCX. How does the weight feel? Are you going to shoot it, or will it be a safe queen? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By narphenal: Hello everyone. Don't normally venture out from GD too much, but was told to come post here. What questions can I help answer? https://i.imgur.com/PwaaW1c.jpg https://i.imgur.com/O04jwYO.jpg I desire to see the BCG and barrel/piston in the nude, because I'm really curious how it compares to the MCX. How does the weight feel? Are you going to shoot it, or will it be a safe queen? Will get some detailed shots over the weekend. The “included” ammo is a voucher you have to redeem, so have none of that. The weight is nice. It also had zero equipment on it now, so obviously that’s going to impact it. Interested to see the balance of it. It has very obviously been fired from the factory, with multiple obvious signs that I will detail in photos. This one will likely remain eye candy. Talking about picking up a second one to actually shoot, so we will see how that pans out. Regardless, once the actual commercial models drop on both it and the cross plan on doing a bunch of shooting of the new caliber, particularly playing around with the Hybrid cased stuff. |
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Would like to see the markings on the silencer if possible. The diameter looks larger than the standard SLX models.
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Would like to see the markings on the silencer if possible. The diameter looks larger than the standard SLX models. View Quote Yeah, will do. It's a SLX-MG in 6.8 Specifically. It felt that way, but I'll grab some of my SLX cans to compare it to. I'll do a whole detailed photoshoot, and can grab any items to throw in the frame for comparison if y'all would like to request anything specific. |
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Does the handguard screw go all the way through like a Chicago screw, or is the upper threaded on both sides?
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Originally Posted By narphenal: Yeah, will do. It's a SLX-MG in 6.8 Specifically. It felt that way, but I'll grab some of my SLX cans to compare it to. I'll do a whole detailed photoshoot, and can grab any items to throw in the frame for comparison if y'all would like to request anything specific. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By narphenal: Originally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Would like to see the markings on the silencer if possible. The diameter looks larger than the standard SLX models. Yeah, will do. It's a SLX-MG in 6.8 Specifically. It felt that way, but I'll grab some of my SLX cans to compare it to. I'll do a whole detailed photoshoot, and can grab any items to throw in the frame for comparison if y'all would like to request anything specific. If you wouldn't mind, would be cool to see a comparison of the parts vs the Virtus (BCG, barrel setups, pistons, etc). |
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Hmmmmm
You guys think we're going to need a 6.8 specific suppressor? The current 7.62 SLX & SLH sig suppressors...are they not robust enough to handle the increased PSI from Sigs hybrid case ammo? Is the 6.8 suppressor that comes with the 1st edition Spear bored out large enough for 7.62 rounds? |
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Originally Posted By narphenal: Will get some detailed shots over the weekend. The “included” ammo is a voucher you have to redeem, so have none of that. The weight is nice. It also had zero equipment on it now, so obviously that’s going to impact it. Interested to see the balance of it. It has very obviously been fired from the factory, with multiple obvious signs that I will detail in photos. This one will likely remain eye candy. Talking about picking up a second one to actually shoot, so we will see how that pans out. Regardless, once the actual commercial models drop on both it and the cross plan on doing a bunch of shooting of the new caliber, particularly playing around with the Hybrid cased stuff. View Quote Are detailed pics still coming? Looking forward to seeing them. |
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Originally Posted By Cops66: Are detailed pics still coming? Looking forward to seeing them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cops66: Originally Posted By narphenal: Will get some detailed shots over the weekend. The “included” ammo is a voucher you have to redeem, so have none of that. The weight is nice. It also had zero equipment on it now, so obviously that’s going to impact it. Interested to see the balance of it. It has very obviously been fired from the factory, with multiple obvious signs that I will detail in photos. This one will likely remain eye candy. Talking about picking up a second one to actually shoot, so we will see how that pans out. Regardless, once the actual commercial models drop on both it and the cross plan on doing a bunch of shooting of the new caliber, particularly playing around with the Hybrid cased stuff. Are detailed pics still coming? Looking forward to seeing them. I won’t steal narphenal’s thunder and want you guys to get unbiased info - but, if he can’t get to it, I can get you guys pics. |
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What is it looking like for production SPEAR guns? Q3/Q4 of this year? Or next year?
Just curious. |
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Originally Posted By Cops66: Are detailed pics still coming? Looking forward to seeing them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cops66: Originally Posted By narphenal: Will get some detailed shots over the weekend. The "included" ammo is a voucher you have to redeem, so have none of that. The weight is nice. It also had zero equipment on it now, so obviously that's going to impact it. Interested to see the balance of it. It has very obviously been fired from the factory, with multiple obvious signs that I will detail in photos. This one will likely remain eye candy. Talking about picking up a second one to actually shoot, so we will see how that pans out. Regardless, once the actual commercial models drop on both it and the cross plan on doing a bunch of shooting of the new caliber, particularly playing around with the Hybrid cased stuff. Are detailed pics still coming? Looking forward to seeing them. |
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Thank you for posting some pics. The recoil system is definitely a change from the dual springs of the MCX Virtus line.
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Is that (or will that) suppressor be available for purchase separately so we can pair it with our production line SPEARs?
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Thanks! Looks like it hasn't changed much since it was the CSASS, or whatever.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Is that (or will that) suppressor be available for purchase separately so we can pair it with our production line SPEARs? View Quote No. ETA: I won’t say “never”, but this can is/was one of the benefits of this Limited Edition “NGSW Submission” rifle. There are several commercial offerings that are extremely similar - and even “better”. |
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Is that an "internal" firing pin safety system?
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Originally Posted By coregon: Sure, publicity, brand management, etc are all things that any brand has to be aware of. It doesn't mean we're ignoring our customer base - quite the contrary. I think we have outpaced most of our competition when it comes to providing the commercial market with the same products we are selling Uncle Sam. View Quote Spot on. |
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What are the chances of getting the mount pictured of the Tango 6T on the Spear in the release pictures? Ever going to be available? |
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Originally Posted By narphenal: https://i.imgur.com/FeIoVgR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JqCiib7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/12ZLM5f.jpg https://i.imgur.com/g8vCVC7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/er2Lf1E.jpg Once I go grab my MCX/SLX cans and some tools, will start posting more shots along with comparisons. Feel free to request any details on anything. View Quote @narphenal does that screw at the top rear of the handguard go all the way into the upper? Meaning, do you have to remove that screw to slide off the handguard if you want to swap them for, say, a potential future suppressor width handguard? |
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On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux.
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Looks like the locking stock hinge that the SPEAR uses is now in the Sig store (out of stock).
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Was back in stock a few days ago
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I've tried the search and have gotten some inconsistent answers?
Who makes the offset iron's on the Spear? I'm getting different answers from people saying KAC, Troy and MI. |
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Originally Posted By narphenal: https://i.imgur.com/FeIoVgR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JqCiib7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/12ZLM5f.jpg https://i.imgur.com/g8vCVC7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/er2Lf1E.jpg Once I go grab my MCX/SLX cans and some tools, will start posting more shots along with comparisons. Feel free to request any details on anything. View Quote The more I look at your photos, the more I'm convinced the uppers on the SPEAR are forged 7075. Some of those lines by the cam pin relief cutout give me that impression. Plus the Gen 3 MCX vid said they needed to make some changes to handle the pressure so I'm thinking it's the uppers are forged. I welcome this change, if true. |
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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/04/19/sig-sauer-wins-ngsw/
SIG Sauer Wins US Army Next Generation Squad Weapon Contract |
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Originally Posted By goloud: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/04/19/sig-sauer-wins-ngsw/ SIG Wins View Quote |
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