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Posted: 8/3/2024 6:58:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperMoose: It's on a trust. I did two silencers back in February that took ~100-120 days. Right before these faster approvals. I'm not holding my breath of anything fast. If it happens, awesome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperMoose: Originally Posted By thehun06: My MPX took 3 days … It's on a trust. I did two silencers back in February that took ~100-120 days. Right before these faster approvals. I'm not holding my breath of anything fast. If it happens, awesome. Well dang. I got everything submitted through Capitol Armory yesterday for a suppressor on a trust. I hope it doesn’t take forever. My SBR eForm 1 I submitted on the first of July would have taken only two weeks, but a couple typos I missed made it take a week longer. Even with that, three weeks is a lot better than three months. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2024 8:22:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Helvet: Second range day, literally had the same problem. 6 FTF out of 60 rounds shot with lancer mags. Bolt catch also working inconsistently, closing also when the last round is shot and the mag is empty. Sent an email today to my Sig Sauer official importer, let's see how it goes. Damn. Definitely sounds similar to my experience. Really makes me wonder if Sig released a bad batch. If you don't mind me asking, what is the serial number range? My first Spear's SN was 68C0095XX. Be really curious to know if yours is close. |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 11:08:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alpha-17: Damn. Definitely sounds similar to my experience. Really makes me wonder if Sig released a bad batch. If you don't mind me asking, what is the serial number range? My first Spear's SN was 68C0095XX. Be really curious to know if yours is close. Not even close, mine is 68C0006XX. Sorry for the dumb question, but at this point I got to ask: did you clean your rifle before taking it to the range? I've never been so confused with a firearm before. Didn't clean nor lube my Spear when I got it. Went straight to the range with a PMAG and had zero FTF, but the bolt catch was working inconsistently. Two days ago, as reported, I went back to the range and shot with two lancer mags, had 6 FTF with lot of bent/scratched brass out of 60 rounds. Bolt catch also didn't work at all. Yesterday I disassembled the gun, cleaned and pretty much covered it with Ballistol, and went back to the range today to shoot another 60 rounds to see if that was a Lancer issue, or if It was time to send my Spear back to Sig. Now, I know that 60 rounds isn't enough to call it a day, but that was night and day from the past session. Literally zero issues with either mag. I also checked multiple times the brass, not even a scratch. Tried ten times to put just two rounds in the mag to test the bolt catch, and worked everytime with both Magpul and Lancer mags. I honestly have no idea about what happened or what I did that made the difference. Cleaning it out of the box? Then why I had no problem the first time, but a frustrating day the the second? Also it really didn't look that bad when I disassembled it, nor I noticed anything that could cause a malfunction. Guess I'll keep it and see how it goes the next range days, but I honestly have never been so confused before with a firearm. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2024 11:37:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Not even close, mine is 68C0006XX. Sorry for the dumb question, but at this point I got to ask: did you clean your rifle before taking it to the range? I've never been so confused with a firearm before. Didn't clean nor lube my Spear when I got it. Went straight to the range with a PMAG and had zero FTF, but the bolt catch was working inconsistently. Two days ago, as reported, I went back to the range and shot with two lancer mags, had 6 FTF with lot of bent/scratched brass out of 60 rounds. Bolt catch also didn't work at all. Yesterday I disassembled the gun, cleaned and pretty much covered it with Ballistol, and went back to the range today to shoot another 60 rounds to see if that was a Lancer issue, or if It was time to send my Spear back to Sig. Now, I know that 60 rounds isn't enough to call it a day, but that was night and day from the past session. Literally zero issues with either mag. I also checked multiple times the brass, not even a scratch. Tried ten times to put just two rounds in the mag to test the bolt catch, and worked everytime with both Magpul and Lancer mags. I honestly have no idea about what happened or what I did that made the difference. Cleaning it out of the box? Then why I had no problem the first time, but a frustrating day the the second? Also it really didn't look that bad when I disassembled it, nor I noticed anything that could cause a malfunction. Guess I'll keep it and see how it goes the next range days, but I honestly have never been so confused before with a firearm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Damn. Definitely sounds similar to my experience. Really makes me wonder if Sig released a bad batch. If you don't mind me asking, what is the serial number range? My first Spear's SN was 68C0095XX. Be really curious to know if yours is close. Not even close, mine is 68C0006XX. Sorry for the dumb question, but at this point I got to ask: did you clean your rifle before taking it to the range? I've never been so confused with a firearm before. Didn't clean nor lube my Spear when I got it. Went straight to the range with a PMAG and had zero FTF, but the bolt catch was working inconsistently. Two days ago, as reported, I went back to the range and shot with two lancer mags, had 6 FTF with lot of bent/scratched brass out of 60 rounds. Bolt catch also didn't work at all. Yesterday I disassembled the gun, cleaned and pretty much covered it with Ballistol, and went back to the range today to shoot another 60 rounds to see if that was a Lancer issue, or if It was time to send my Spear back to Sig. Now, I know that 60 rounds isn't enough to call it a day, but that was night and day from the past session. Literally zero issues with either mag. I also checked multiple times the brass, not even a scratch. Tried ten times to put just two rounds in the mag to test the bolt catch, and worked everytime with both Magpul and Lancer mags. I honestly have no idea about what happened or what I did that made the difference. Cleaning it out of the box? Then why I had no problem the first time, but a frustrating day the the second? Also it really didn't look that bad when I disassembled it, nor I noticed anything that could cause a malfunction. Guess I'll keep it and see how it goes the next range days, but I honestly have never been so confused before with a firearm. I may have missed where you said it but 13" or 16"? Here's hoping it continues to work for you. |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 11:51:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: Helvet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: I may have missed where you said it but 13" or 16"? Here's hoping it continues to work for you. My bad, 13" Thanks man, hope so as well as I honestly love this rifle. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2024 12:07:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: My bad, 13" Thanks man, hope so as well as I honestly love this rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By Zerlak: I may have missed where you said it but 13" or 16"? Here's hoping it continues to work for you. My bad, 13" Thanks man, hope so as well as I honestly love this rifle. Well, that shoots my potential theory to hell that the 13" setups were less problem ridden than the 16". I'm with you too, I love my 13" Spear. I'm even attempting to sell other things off to grab a second 13" but the 6.8x51 setup. Perhaps the carbon solidified with the packing grease on your Spear, after the first outing? I'll be taking mine pig hunting next weekend, if all goes well. Should be getting mine back on Tuesday, assuming it isn't lost in transit. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2024 9:15:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Helvet: Not even close, mine is 68C0006XX. Sorry for the dumb question, but at this point I got to ask: did you clean your rifle before taking it to the range? I did. Full disassembly, clean, and relube before both range sessions. Sadly, I don't recommend thinking you're out of the woods yet. I noticed with my problems that they seemed to fade in and out. My range trips were longer, so I'd have several mags that worked just fine before the problems returned. Still no clue what that issue was. |
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Posted: 8/5/2024 10:10:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: Perhaps the carbon solidified with the packing grease on your Spear, after the first outing? Yeah that could be, the piston required couple hits to come out, but that's it. Will keep you updated if I end up sending it to Sig. |
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Posted: 8/5/2024 10:13:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: Helvet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alpha-17: I did. Full disassembly, clean, and relube before both range sessions. Sadly, I don't recommend thinking you're out of the woods yet. I noticed with my problems that they seemed to fade in and out. My range trips were longer, so I'd have several mags that worked just fine before the problems returned. Still no clue what that issue was. Will give it some time and couple hundreds more rounds. Part of me just hopes that it's all about that infamous break in period. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/6/2024 12:11:57 PM EST
[#10]
My Spear is back with me. Spring replaced and fully functional again.
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Posted: 8/9/2024 6:21:51 PM EST
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So. The rear of the Spear is a bit light … I decided to get a zip lock, fill it with some bb shots … put about 5 oz or so and put it in the hollow cavity of the stock tube …
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Posted: 8/10/2024 2:16:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: Helvet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: So. The rear of the Spear is a bit light … I decided to get a zip lock, fill it with some bb shots … put about 5 oz or so and put it in the hollow cavity of the stock tube … It helps the balance of the rifle a tad. I personally just bought a better stock as soon as I got mine. Guess they decided to put the smallest one just to comply with the weight requests by the NGWS program. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/11/2024 4:01:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: I personally just bought better stock as soon as I got mine. Guess they decided to put the smallest one just to comply with the weight requests by the NGWS program. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By thehun06: So. The rear of the Spear is a bit light … I decided to get a zip lock, fill it with some bb shots … put about 5 oz or so and put it in the hollow cavity of the stock tube … It helps the balance of the rifle a tad. I personally just bought better stock as soon as I got mine. Guess they decided to put the smallest one just to comply with the weight requests by the NGWS program. I can only assume you are correct. If somebody wanted to improve balance adding a more precision style AR stock might be a good option. |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 4:17:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: I can only assume you are correct. If somebody wanted to improve balance adding a more precision style AR stock might be a good option. I used a Magpul MOE PR … makes a huge difference |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 6:18:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alpha-17: I did. Full disassembly, clean, and relube before both range sessions. Sadly, I don't recommend thinking you're out of the woods yet. I noticed with my problems that they seemed to fade in and out. My range trips were longer, so I'd have several mags that worked just fine before the problems returned. Still no clue what that issue was. Talked with the LGS and they told me it might be ammo related, as I'm shooting 147 grains from Saltech. They suggested to run at least 168 grains. I get the pressure change, but Is there any chance 147 grains are more prone to fail in a 13"? Tomorrow I should have the chance to shoot some at 300m. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/11/2024 7:32:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Talked with the LGS and they told me it might be ammo related, as I'm shooting 147 grains from Saltech. They suggested to run at least 168 grains. I get the pressure change, but Is there any chance 147 grains are more prone to fail in a 13"? Tomorrow I should have the chance to shoot some at 300m. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By Alpha-17: I did. Full disassembly, clean, and relube before both range sessions. Sadly, I don't recommend thinking you're out of the woods yet. I noticed with my problems that they seemed to fade in and out. My range trips were longer, so I'd have several mags that worked just fine before the problems returned. Still no clue what that issue was. Talked with the LGS and they told me it might be ammo related, as I'm shooting 147 grains from Saltech. They suggested to run at least 168 grains. I get the pressure change, but Is there any chance 147 grains are more prone to fail in a 13"? Tomorrow I should have the chance to shoot some at 300m. I've primarily used surplus M80, or derivatives of it, in my 13" without issue. Just did 50 rounds today of South African surplus in a Magpul D50, no issues to report. |
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Posted: 8/11/2024 7:57:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Talked with the LGS and they told me it might be ammo related, as I'm shooting 147 grains from Saltech. They suggested to run at least 168 grains. I get the pressure change, but Is there any chance 147 grains are more prone to fail in a 13"? Tomorrow I should have the chance to shoot some at 300m. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By Alpha-17: I did. Full disassembly, clean, and relube before both range sessions. Sadly, I don't recommend thinking you're out of the woods yet. I noticed with my problems that they seemed to fade in and out. My range trips were longer, so I'd have several mags that worked just fine before the problems returned. Still no clue what that issue was. Talked with the LGS and they told me it might be ammo related, as I'm shooting 147 grains from Saltech. They suggested to run at least 168 grains. I get the pressure change, but Is there any chance 147 grains are more prone to fail in a 13"? Tomorrow I should have the chance to shoot some at 300m. Saltech is Swiss M80 … doubt that’s your issue |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 5:31:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Saltech is Swiss M80 … doubt that’s your issue It was definitely not, took it back to the range today, 180 rounds shot with both mags to 300m flawlessly. That means 240 rounds without any issue since that weird range day. Man I love this rifle. |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 7:00:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: It was definitely not, took it back to the range today, 180 rounds shot with both mags to 300m flawlessly. That means 240 rounds without any issue since that weird range day. Man I love this rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By thehun06: Saltech is Swiss M80 … doubt that’s your issue It was definitely not, took it back to the range today, 180 rounds shot with both mags to 300m flawlessly. That means 240 rounds without any issue since that weird range day. Man I love this rifle. Total round count? I usually chalk up issues up to 200-300rds as break-in and won't contact manufacturer unless the problems go beyond that ... |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 10:39:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: Helvet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Total round count? I usually chalk up issues up to 200-300rds as break-in and won't contact manufacturer unless the problems go beyond that ... 340 rounds so far |
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Posted: 8/12/2024 4:39:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Helvet]
[#21]
 The least accurate shots surrounding the main group were taken with MBUS, still nice to see these things work up to 300m. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2024 7:25:20 PM EST
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Adding the SLX suppressor really calms this beast down.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:36:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueShirtGuy: Adding the SLX suppressor really calms this beast down. https://i.postimg.cc/D0Bk9pdq/20240824-133214.jpg Shot my 13" on Saturday with the SLXC QD setup. Reduced muzzle rise a bit and did cut down on the blast. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:03:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueShirtGuy: Adding the SLX suppressor really calms this beast down. https://i.postimg.cc/D0Bk9pdq/20240824-133214.jpg Yeah they really need a brake and a can. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2024 9:13:55 AM EST
[#25]
I finally got the replacement Spear out to the range on Wednesday this week. Didn't put a lot of rounds through it. (80-100) because of the heat, but I didn't have a single malfunction. It chugged right along through the Winchester/LC and PMC I had. Didn't have an opportunity to shoot much for accuracy, but hopefully I can do that at a future range trip.
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Posted: 9/4/2024 3:18:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: It's coming. There is a release date set. Sure?  |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:04:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: Alpha-17]
[#27]
Saw this on the Cabela's website. Seems like a nice deal if someone doesn't have either and wants to get their own "US Army" starter pack.
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Posted: 9/13/2024 10:06:16 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryIf you're referring to the 277 they're on the streets now. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:37:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: If you're referring to the 277 they're on the streets now. Kinda I'm waiting for the barrels, not going to buy another Spear just to shoot 277 |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:40:04 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Kinda I'm waiting for the barrels, not going to buy another Spear just to shoot 277 That’s fair. I held off on buying one at all because I wanted the .277 specifically. Only decision now is whether to do the SBR or just do the 16”. I’m leaning 16” just for velocity purposes. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:46:00 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Kinda I'm waiting for the barrels, not going to buy another Spear just to shoot 277 Same. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:59:59 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Kinda I'm waiting for the barrels, not going to buy another Spear just to shoot 277 Same ... however I am thoroughly enjoying the 308 gun ... once the adjustable gas plugs come out ... it will be a dream to shoot!!! Out of the gate ... the gun is over-gassed ... the suppressor mode is really tuned for Sig's cans ... |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:51:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Same ... however I am thoroughly enjoying the 308 gun ... once the adjustable gas plugs come out ... it will be a dream to shoot!!! Out of the gate ... the gun is over-gassed ... the suppressor mode is really tuned for Sig's cans ... Yeah, I'm in love with my 308 too. Might be because I'm running a brake, but I have zero gas issues apart from what the brake Is throwing to my face. But with an m4-72 the 13" recoils close to 5.56, if not even less. That said, I can still read "Multi-Caliber" on the receiver, and I wouldn't mind stacking some 277 in the meantime |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:17:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Yeah, I'm in love with my 308 too. Might be because I'm running a brake, but I have zero gas issues apart from what the brake Is throwing to my face. But with an m4-72 the 13" recoils close to 5.56, if not even less. That said, I can still read "Multi-Caliber" on the receiver, and I wouldn't mind stacking some 277 in the meantime I just have standard SIG flash hider on my 13" and never found it to be over gassed. It is softer shooting than my 16" SCAR 17. With my SLX762C-QD, it's ridiculously easy to shoot. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:18:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Yeah, I'm in love with my 308 too. Might be because I'm running a brake, but I have zero gas issues apart from what the brake Is throwing to my face. But with an m4-72 the 13" recoils close to 5.56, if not even less. That said, I can still read "Multi-Caliber" on the receiver, and I wouldn't mind stacking some 277 in the meantime Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By thehun06: Same ... however I am thoroughly enjoying the 308 gun ... once the adjustable gas plugs come out ... it will be a dream to shoot!!! Out of the gate ... the gun is over-gassed ... the suppressor mode is really tuned for Sig's cans ... Yeah, I'm in love with my 308 too. Might be because I'm running a brake, but I have zero gas issues apart from what the brake Is throwing to my face. But with an m4-72 the 13" recoils close to 5.56, if not even less. That said, I can still read "Multi-Caliber" on the receiver, and I wouldn't mind stacking some 277 in the meantime Yeah without a can it’s fine. Throw a can on and it’s evident the suppressed mode is for flow through cans. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 3:47:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: That’s fair. I held off on buying one at all because I wanted the .277 specifically. Only decision now is whether to do the SBR or just do the 16”. I’m leaning 16” just for velocity purposes. I'd go with 13" Velocity is more than enough with the high pressure rounds, and the gun feels noticeably more balanced without those 3 inches. |
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Posted: 9/21/2024 8:10:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: SuperMoose]
[#37]
Form 4 cleared earlier this week (submitted in the first week of August). Picked this up yesterday and threw on a MAWL and Aimpoint I had laying around. Still needs a light and sling.
Not sure if I'll leave the Aimpoint on and get a magnifier or toss a Vortex 1-10 on it (I'd just have to get a mount for the one I have in a box). 
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2024 9:46:44 PM EST
[#38]
Is the MCX Spear in 6.5 Creedmoor dead?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 8:23:15 AM EST
[#39]
Wow, this guy did not have nice things to say: Reddit - My response to Task & Purpose
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Posted: 9/24/2024 10:46:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Wow, this guy did not have nice things to say: Reddit - My response to Task & Purpose Haha holy shit - that's a lot of grievances (including the optic). Task and Purpose needs to edit his video to reflect those criticisms that were left out. Sounds like there are some kinks to work out with the entire weapon system. To be fair, almost every weapon we've ever fielded wasn't without its problems once hard use commenced. Not shocking really. Hopefully SIG (and Vortex) can address and resolve those things. |
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Posted: 9/24/2024 9:21:00 PM EST
[#41]
Huh. That sucks. Oh well, I don't plan on getting rid of muh SPEAR.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 12:17:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Huh. That sucks. Oh well, I don't plan on getting rid of muh SPEAR. Yeah, I don't think anybody is saying you should. But the system as fielded seems to be having some teething pains. Which, as the previous post mentioned, is somewhat expected. Hopefully, everything gets ironed out before it matters. |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 6:50:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Yeah, I don't think anybody is saying you should. But the system as fielded seems to be having some teething pains. Which, as the previous post mentioned, is somewhat expected. Hopefully, everything gets ironed out before it matters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Huh. That sucks. Oh well, I don't plan on getting rid of muh SPEAR. Yeah, I don't think anybody is saying you should. But the system as fielded seems to be having some teething pains. Which, as the previous post mentioned, is somewhat expected. Hopefully, everything gets ironed out before it matters. I think as many as have said ... more than likely either 6.8 is going to get backed down in PSI further ... or the Spear will become a .308/6.5 platform ... heck it could also be a 8.6BO too ... |
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Posted: 9/25/2024 1:37:07 PM EST
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It's more of a response to the GD tardedness in regards to Sig.
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USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 3:48:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Wow, this guy did not have nice things to say: Reddit - My response to Task & Purpose It's been a known turd for a while. The optic and wider fielding of suppressors are the best part of the program but neither are ready for prime time. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2024 10:48:27 AM EST
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Took the Spear back out to the range yesterday for more break in and to zero for the KS Pre-Rut season in two weeks. I put another 200-250 rounds through it, and thankfully, I have yet to have a malfunction with it. Huge improvement over the first Spear. Of that, 100 rounds were put through it in rapid succession, and no issues to report. Not full on mag dumps, but fresh mag, rapid fire at various steel targets, mag change, repeat.
On the down side, the accuracy isn't any better than the first rifle. Looking at 2-3 MOA even with match ammo. Best groups were with 165gr True Velocity and 168gr Federal GMM, and they were 2-3 MOA for 5 shot groups, 1.5 MOA for the "internet special", cherry picked 3 round group of the FGMM. For a point of comparison, I shot a 10rd group of '91 vintage M118 "Special Ball" through the SCAR 17S, and got a 2.5 MOA group. Sub MOA if we cherry pick the best 5 rounds out of the grouping. Granted, the set ups for the two rifles is hardly comparable; the SCAR has the Sig 1-10x LPVO, while the Spear now has a 3.5x ACOG. But the difference in accuracy is pretty significant. Additionally, it seems like the Spear has a "wandering zero" issue, or at least has a shifting POI as it settles in. Twice yesterday I thought I had the rifle zeroed, only for the POI to suddenly shift up and to the right by about 6 inches at 100m. The first time I thought it was just a matter of the barrel having heated up, but the new POI stayed after letting the barrel cool for 30-45 minutes. Not sure what's up with that. Random pictures because, eh, that's what I do:   Overall, I'm pleased that the rifle is at least working now, but disappointed in its mediocre accuracy. I don't think the rifle will be a good base for a DMR, or even a scoped battle rifle. At this point, I'm looking at using it more for a .308 Assaulter Carbine, with an EOTech and Magnifier, and likely SBR'ed down the line. It is pleasant to shoot, and I do enjoy the controls/ergonomics, so I think leaning into those strengths will be the way to go. Now to try and afford an EoTech and Magnfier before the election. |
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Posted: 9/29/2024 10:54:11 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Yeah that could be, the piston required couple hits to come out, but that's it. Will keep you updated if I end up sending it to Sig. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By Zerlak: Perhaps the carbon solidified with the packing grease on your Spear, after the first outing? Yeah that could be, the piston required couple hits to come out, but that's it. Will keep you updated if I end up sending it to Sig. Leave the piston dry, it doesn't need to be wet like an AR bolt. Same issue with M60s and M14s, if you put CLP in there it will cook, carbon up, and eventually cause stoppages. |
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Posted: 9/29/2024 4:28:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: thehun06]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alpha-17: Took the Spear back out to the range yesterday for more break in and to zero for the KS Pre-Rut season in two weeks. I put another 200-250 rounds through it, and thankfully, I have yet to have a malfunction with it. Huge improvement over the first Spear. Of that, 100 rounds were put through it in rapid succession, and no issues to report. Not full on mag dumps, but fresh mag, rapid fire at various steel targets, mag change, repeat. On the down side, the accuracy isn't any better than the first rifle. Looking at 2-3 MOA even with match ammo. Best groups were with 165gr True Velocity and 168gr Federal GMM, and they were 2-3 MOA for 5 shot groups, 1.5 MOA for the "internet special", cherry picked 3 round group of the FGMM. For a point of comparison, I shot a 10rd group of '91 vintage M118 "Special Ball" through the SCAR 17S, and got a 2.5 MOA group. Sub MOA if we cherry pick the best 5 rounds out of the grouping. Granted, the set ups for the two rifles is hardly comparable; the SCAR has the Sig 1-10x LPVO, while the Spear now has a 3.5x ACOG. But the difference in accuracy is pretty significant. Additionally, it seems like the Spear has a "wandering zero" issue, or at least has a shifting POI as it settles in. Twice yesterday I thought I had the rifle zeroed, only for the POI to suddenly shift up and to the right by about 6 inches at 100m. The first time I thought it was just a matter of the barrel having heated up, but the new POI stayed after letting the barrel cool for 30-45 minutes. Not sure what's up with that. Random pictures because, eh, that's what I do: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54029881193_fcd84d83a8_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54030083910_860acd6693_c.jpg Overall, I'm pleased that the rifle is at least working now, but disappointed in its mediocre accuracy. I don't think the rifle will be a good base for a DMR, or even a scoped battle rifle. At this point, I'm looking at using it more for a .308 Assaulter Carbine, with an EOTech and Magnifier, and likely SBR'ed down the line. It is pleasant to shoot, and I do enjoy the controls/ergonomics, so I think leaning into those strengths will be the way to go. Now to try and afford an EoTech and Magnfier before the election. I’ve put rounds upon rounds down range and I’ve never had a wandering zero at all … and my accuracy was twice as good … it was with a suppressor on though … Did you double check torque on the barrel bolts … |
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Posted: 9/29/2024 4:31:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankW134: Leave the piston dry, it doesn't need to be wet like an AR bolt. Same issue with M60s and M14s, if you put CLP in there it will cook, carbon up, and eventually cause stoppages. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankW134: Originally Posted By Helvet: Originally Posted By Zerlak: Perhaps the carbon solidified with the packing grease on your Spear, after the first outing? Yeah that could be, the piston required couple hits to come out, but that's it. Will keep you updated if I end up sending it to Sig. Leave the piston dry, it doesn't need to be wet like an AR bolt. Same issue with M60s and M14s, if you put CLP in there it will cook, carbon up, and eventually cause stoppages. 100% keep it dry |
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Posted: 10/1/2024 4:25:45 PM EST
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Has anyone tried buying one of the newer updated rails or charging handles yet?
I bent the forward rail/bar to the little windowed area on the left side of the rail a wee bit. |
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