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Josh from Holosun apparently posts on Reddit and I found a post three months ago where he was saying that the time frame at that point was June/July production. So, end of August or September for the first units to come in might be right.
Does anyone know what the environmental IP rating for the IRIS is supposed to be? There are some other Chinese lasers coming out in the next few months from Laserspeed that I've been trying to learn about like the M6TR and they look like they'll be in that $1K price range. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Josh from Holosun apparently posts on Reddit and I found a post three months ago where he was saying that the time frame at that point was June/July production. So, end of August or September for the first units to come in might be right. Does anyone know what the environmental IP rating for the IRIS is supposed to be? There are some other Chinese lasers coming out in the next few months from Laserspeed that I've been trying to learn about like the M6TR and they look like they'll be in that $1K price range. View Quote I've seen the IRIS has an IPX8 rating, no word so for on dust ingress unlike the m6tr which is said to be IP68. For me, I plan to get the IRIS because it's slightly cheaper, and while holosun hasn't exactly been known for its amazing mounts, I've seen LS stuff not mount solidly- I doubt the m6tr will have that issue but I feel a bit more lucky with the IRIS. I can live without full power, no matter how much I think it's cool. |
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The M6TR does appear to have a recoil log as part of its mount. It doesn't look horrible mount wise.
THe M6TR could be a bit heavier though than the IRIS and since we're so close to potentially seeing the release of the IRIS and the M6TR is still in pre-order status I'm in a holding pattern. I'm probably going to want to wait to see some reviews on a few trusted folks like Brass Facts or Hop on YT about those units first though. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: The M6TR does appear to have a recoil log as part of its mount. It doesn't look horrible mount wise. THe M6TR could be a bit heavier though than the IRIS and since we're so close to potentially seeing the release of the IRIS and the M6TR is still in pre-order status I'm in a holding pattern. I'm probably going to want to wait to see some reviews on a few trusted folks like Brass Facts or Hop on YT about those units first though. View Quote I was originally gonna wait but the illuminator on my perst is broken so I figured "anything is better than an illuminator that doesn't zero". Ordered the IRIS, as long as performance is acceptable it'll be perfect for my main rifle. |
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Some new posts from Holosun Josh here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NightVision/comments/1el7a16/holosun_iris_coming_next_month/ Q: I'm sure you've answered this but the reviews that came out from shot show said the illuminator was weak was this just due to low batteries and overuse? A: Those were early prototypes and don't represent the final product. He also verified "this month" and that the FDA is the reason they've been delayed. Apparently it was discussed in Hop's stream recently. I'm interested and standing by like most in this thread. I'm honestly a little happy to see alternatives hitting the market as well like Rovyvon and Laserspeed. I still wish I could reasonably buy American, but...well y'all already know. |
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Oh man, I know Hop is really eager to get his hands on an IRIS and put it through its paces. Really want to know what he thinks about it, because he never holds back if something has any issues. Hop and Brassfacts are two of the guys I have come to count on for reliable and truthful evaluations of products.
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Originally Posted By NewWind: I was originally gonna wait but the illuminator on my perst is broken so I figured "anything is better than an illuminator that doesn't zero". Ordered the IRIS, as long as performance is acceptable it'll be perfect for my main rifle. View Quote Well, let me thank you for being our canary in the coal mine and beta testing the IRIS for us. Please let us know what you think, good, bad, and ugly. I'm really hopeful it's going to fit my needs. I don't need all the wizbang features of the Wilcox Raid Xe or anything, I'll be happy with something approaching an FP PEQ15's illuminator's performance and weight just with a VCSEL. If this thing pans out it will become basically standard issue for every American middle class civilian with night vision. It gives me zero pleasure to say this, but frankly the Chinese have been leaving us in the dust with thermals and they slowly are making progress in the night vision realm of things. Kind of scary to see that and sort of get a glimpse into the Chinese military industrial complex that our mass media aren't even paying attention to right now. Really puts things in perspective and it's kind of sobering. For example, when it comes to encrypted comms and drones I'm not aware of any notable civilian running anything that isn't made in China right now and that's not a good sign. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Well, let me thank you for being our canary in the coal mine and beta testing the IRIS for us. Please let us know what you think, good, bad, and ugly. I'm really hopeful it's going to fit my needs. I don't need all the wizbang features of the Wilcox Raid Xe or anything, I'll be happy with something approaching an FP PEQ15's illuminator's performance and weight just with a VCSEL. If this thing pans out it will become basically standard issue for every American middle class civilian with night vision. It gives me zero pleasure to say this, but frankly the Chinese have been leaving us in the dust with thermals and they slowly are making progress in the night vision realm of things. Kind of scary to see that and sort of get a glimpse into the Chinese military industrial complex that our mass media aren't even paying attention to right now. Really puts things in perspective and it's kind of sobering. For example, when it comes to encrypted comms and drones I'm not aware of any notable civilian running anything that isn't made in China right now and that's not a good sign. View Quote Well, if it's good I'll post here, if it's bad... Keep an eye on the EE In all seriousness, I have high hopes and I plan to go out with it the first chance I get once I have it in hand. I think I'm gonna mostly be testing the controls and how intuitive they are, and what kinds of distance I can get out of it- can't remember where I've heard they hope to hit 150-200m, but if the illumination is actually useful at those distances, I'll be more than happy. I'm by no means a LAM expert, so take everything I say with a grain of salt, but I like to think I have a pretty good head on my shoulders. |
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Originally Posted By NewWind: I think I'm gonna mostly be testing the controls and how intuitive they are, and what kinds of distance I can get out of it- can't remember where I've heard they hope to hit 150-200m, but if the illumination is actually useful at those distances, I'll be more than happy. View Quote Probably the previous page, I quoted Holosun Josh's post from Reddit, which is honestly the best source of IRIS updates right now. I look forward to your feedback/review. |
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I will hopefully also be getting one for review on my YouTube channel . Unlike Hop and Brassfacts, I’m just getting into NV so my perspective may be a little different; doubtless some of you won’t be interested, but hopefully some of the guys in a similar situation will be.
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Any news?
I would expect to hear something if we were going to see this in September. If it's not coming out within the next month my guess is that we're not going to see a 2024 release date on it. Release might be delayed like their Thermal and Night Vision hybrid red dots were delayed. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Any news? I would expect to hear something if we were going to see this in September. If it's not coming out within the next month my guess is that we're not going to see a 2024 release date on it. Release might be delayed like their Thermal and Night Vision hybrid red dots were delayed. View Quote I am under the assumption that if I don't hear anything next week or the one after that, then we're probably not getting a release until the holiday season at the earliest. |
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It looks like the IRIS does not have a visible override like the DBAL A3 or NGAL and the mode selection looks a bit clumsy with having to push the button and cycle through the modes rather than just flip a dial to the mode you want.
With the Zbolt ACAL and Laserspeed M6R as anticipated competitors just over the horizon right now it's going to be a real tough decision process on which one to get. So many factors are going to have to be weighted. Can I live with the negatives of the IRIS given the tradeoff of being very light weight (approximately 6.3 ounces) and probably the most affordable unit? It's hard to know what direction to go in when we can't yet see the performance of the illuminators on YouTube. However, although 30% heavier than the IRIS and even at double the cost the ZBolt ACAL being a U.S. made MFAL is really to me in first place right now. I've seen two YouTube videos of the ZBolt's VCSEL standalone flashlight (no laser aiming just the IR illuminator flashlight head) and that thing looks VERY impression, even better than a Wilcox Raid Xe's illuminator. The ZBolt might be that middle of the road option that ticks all the boxes for me, but I have no idea how far away we are from its release and the fact that other units like the IRIS and the Laserspeed M6R are likely to beat it to market by perhaps months or even a year makes it a much tougher choice about which MFAL to buy with my hard earned money. I do wish we would see more MFALs coming out with the click on flood option of the Wilcox Raid Xe, because that MFAL's ability to go right to CQB flood illumination with a click of a button is a real nice feature. Rather than having to flip on and off a diffuser cap. Of course, the problem with the Wilcox Raid Xe's flood feature is that you need their proprietary switch with it's insanely long cord to use it. I also like the Raid Xe's screen read out, which can give you projected battery life left, a nice feature, but not at the cost of as much as a PVS14 to have. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I do wish we would see more MFALs coming out with the click on flood option of the Wilcox Raid Xe, because that MFAL's ability to go right to CQB flood illumination with a click of a button is a real nice feature. Rather than having to flip on and off a diffuser cap. Of course, the problem with the Wilcox Raid Xe's flood feature is that you need their proprietary switch with it's insanely long cord to use it. I also like the Raid Xe's screen read out, which can give you projected battery life left, a nice feature, but not at the cost of as much as a PVS14 to have. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: It looks like the IRIS does not have a visible override like the DBAL A3 or NGAL and the mode selection looks a bit clumsy with having to push the button and cycle through the modes rather than just flip a dial to the mode you want. View Quote I don't have much to add to everything else you said, but holosun has actually changed their mode selection to a dual after user feedback. Source |
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Originally Posted By NewWind: I don't have much to add to everything else you said, but holosun has actually changed their mode selection to a dual after user feedback. Source View Quote Awesome, that is a very nice change from their prototype. Appreciate the intel. |
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Originally Posted By NewWind: I don't have much to add to everything else you said, but holosun has actually changed their mode selection to a dual after user feedback. Source View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NewWind: Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: It looks like the IRIS does not have a visible override like the DBAL A3 or NGAL and the mode selection looks a bit clumsy with having to push the button and cycle through the modes rather than just flip a dial to the mode you want. I don't have much to add to everything else you said, but holosun has actually changed their mode selection to a dual after user feedback. Source Yep, that was linked in here a month ago when Josh first posted those pictures publicly. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: It looks like the IRIS does not have a visible override like the DBAL A3 or NGAL and the mode selection looks a bit clumsy with having to push the button and cycle through the modes rather than just flip a dial to the mode you want. With the Zbolt ACAL and Laserspeed M6R as anticipated competitors just over the horizon right now it's going to be a real tough decision process on which one to get. So many factors are going to have to be weighted. Can I live with the negatives of the IRIS given the tradeoff of being very light weight (approximately 6.3 ounces) and probably the most affordable unit? It's hard to know what direction to go in when we can't yet see the performance of the illuminators on YouTube. However, although 30% heavier than the IRIS and even at double the cost the ZBolt ACAL being a U.S. made MFAL is really to me in first place right now. I've seen two YouTube videos of the ZBolt's VCSEL standalone flashlight (no laser aiming just the IR illuminator flashlight head) and that thing looks VERY impression, even better than a Wilcox Raid Xe's illuminator. The ZBolt might be that middle of the road option that ticks all the boxes for me, but I have no idea how far away we are from its release and the fact that other units like the IRIS and the Laserspeed M6R are likely to beat it to market by perhaps months or even a year makes it a much tougher choice about which MFAL to buy with my hard earned money. I do wish we would see more MFALs coming out with the click on flood option of the Wilcox Raid Xe, because that MFAL's ability to go right to CQB flood illumination with a click of a button is a real nice feature. Rather than having to flip on and off a diffuser cap. Of course, the problem with the Wilcox Raid Xe's flood feature is that you need their proprietary switch with it's insanely long cord to use it. I also like the Raid Xe's screen read out, which can give you projected battery life left, a nice feature, but not at the cost of as much as a PVS14 to have. View Quote I got one of the ZBolt IR lights for review. That thing is pretty powerful, and at the tightest focus of the beam could damn near be used as an aiming laser! |
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Originally Posted By bluedog82: I got one of the ZBolt IR lights for review. That thing is pretty powerful, and at the tightest focus of the beam could damn near be used as an aiming laser! View Quote Thanks, that's good to hear from another source. So far as I can tell it's really high end even up against units that are thousands of dollars more expensive. I think the IRIS is going to have its work cut out for it trying to outperform the ACAL. That said, I hope that it can, because I believe the IRIS is probably going to cost about half as much as the ACAL, but if it doesn't the ACAL's price point is not so high that I would feel bad about buying one. As I've said millions of times and will say again, $3K+ MFALs are ridiculous and I feel like I'm being ripped off at that price point. However, for something like that the ACAL that comes in around that $1,500 give or take a bit price point, I see that as reasonable. The IRIS price point of below $1K is my ideal though. |
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Holosun_Josh said that they started production on the units.
"We are working on them as we speak but I don't have an exact ETA for when they will be on shelves. Any info from a vendor is a guess at best." |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Thanks, that's good to hear from another source. So far as I can tell it's really high end even up against units that are thousands of dollars more expensive. I think the IRIS is going to have its work cut out for it trying to outperform the ACAL. That said, I hope that it can, because I believe the IRIS is probably going to cost about half as much as the ACAL, but if it doesn't the ACAL's price point is not so high that I would feel bad about buying one. As I've said millions of times and will say again, $3K+ MFALs are ridiculous and I feel like I'm being ripped off at that price point. However, for something like that the ACAL that comes in around that $1,500 give or take a bit price point, I see that as reasonable. The IRIS price point of below $1K is my ideal though. View Quote Zbolt Blazer IR light, beam at wide focus vs tight focus. Far tree about 100yds away. #nightvision Here is a quick video of the Zbolt. If/when I get my hands on the IRIS, I’ll post a similar video! |
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As far as affordable, civ illuminators go ZBolt is going to be tough to beat.
I absolutely love mine. |
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Originally Posted By fatguy7814: As far as affordable, civ illuminators go ZBolt is going to be tough to beat. I absolutely love mine. View Quote They definitely have raised bar. Maybe the tactical world's best kept secret right now. If their ACAL comes out (looks like it will) I think they'll end up a household name. Would be cool though if the IRIS gives it a run for its money and comes in at around $800 street price. Hopefully, we'll hear something soon on the IRIS. Looks like they did a redesign and that could have delayed things, we might not see either unit until 2025. |
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Well don't hold your breath for the Zbolt ACAL MFAL.
Now says first half 2025 |
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Zbolt weaponlights suck though takes about 1.5 seconds before it’s activated.
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Originally Posted By Yumago: Well don't hold your breath for the Zbolt ACAL MFAL. Now says first half 2025 View Quote And while some are speculating that the Iris may be delayed from the originally told to vendors "90 days" that would have put it early September'ish, the Zbolt MFAL was first stated to be ready 2 years ago... |
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Originally Posted By Lowdown3: And while some are speculating that the Iris may be delayed from the originally told to vendors "90 days" that would have put it early September'ish, the Zbolt MFAL was first stated to be ready 2 years ago... View Quote Maybe, but look how long Holosun took to get their Thermal Red Dot hybrid sights to market. Could be awhile with the IRIS. |
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Anyone have any new information?
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Nothing new, and I've been looking for anything I can find.
Right now the newest hot MFAL appears to be the Laserspeed M6TR, which is still showing as a Pre-Order on the website I'm seeing it on, but looks like its release is coming very soon. 4MR Ranch and a few other guys have received their testing samples and should have videos up on YouTube of it soon. Could be worth it even though the price point for the pre-orders is slightly higher than the IRIS price we were hearing about at SHOT. I'd still prefer the IRIS though with Holosun being the more well establishd and well known company. I have zero clue what kind of warranty support you can get on a Laserspeed unit, if any. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Nothing new, and I've been looking for anything I can find. Right now the newest hot MFAL appears to be the Laserspeed M6TR, which is still showing as a Pre-Order on the website I'm seeing it on, but looks like its release is coming very soon. 4MR Ranch and a few other guys have received their testing samples and should have videos up on YouTube of it soon. Could be worth it even though the price point for the pre-orders is slightly higher than the IRIS price we were hearing about at SHOT. I'd still prefer the IRIS though with Holosun being the more well establishd and well known company. I have zero clue what kind of warranty support you can get on a Laserspeed unit, if any. View Quote That's exactly why I bought the IRIS. That being said, I plan to also buy the M6TR however it's certainly not gonna be as soon as I'm currently recovering financially from some other purchases. |
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From Holosun today -
"Thank you for contacting Holosun. We estimate 1-2 months, it is still technically still in development but production follows shortly after and is relatively quick. As of right now, power details and numbers are still being kept internal. Best Regards" |
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I just don't get why company's tease things that are not done.
Tease it when it is in production, and you're building inventory |
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"Roughly 90 days" from early July was what we were originally told by our rep.
Following up, got this email reply today- Hi Robert, No hard date is set unfortunately, but our expectation is by end of September. We’re excited for the IRIS as well. View Quote |
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Thanks for the follow up as a dealer, I'm hoping by end of September! Ive got a preorder with you lowdown and if it turns out to be as good as expected I'll probably grab another!
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I will be surprised if Holosun gets it out by the end of September.
Two YT Videos have been done on the Laserspeed M6TR. Good looking unit on par performance wise with a real NGAL. Looks like one of the two units reviewed though had a crane connection issue, but apparently Laserspeed came out and replaced it with one that worked pretty fast. One thing that was interesting is that the reviewers noticed that a white light head might be an add on feature later down the line as well. I'm still waiting for 4MR Ranch to do his video on the M6TR, he always offers a lot of good data points. 4MR Ranch teased his video for it a few days back and so it should drop soon. Laserspeed M6TR and RovyVon GL5 Review with Comparisons Laserspeed M6TR Review with Comparisons I still like the feature set of the IRIS better, especially the adjustable slider for the illuminator focus. I also would prefer Holosun as a brand over Laserspeed and the projected Holosun price is lower. I believe the Holosun is also IP68 rated for the water and dust, correct me if I'm wrong on that one. From what I understand the M6TR is IP67, which is just water. Not huge differences though between the two units, and it's tempting to just go for the M6TR and call it a day. |
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Yeah, but the LS unit is available _right now_!!!
IMHO, any competent MFALs in the $1k and under range are really appreciated, and will put pressure on other manufacturers to price more competitively. |
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Originally Posted By erwos: Yeah, but the LS unit is available _right now_!!! IMHO, any competent MFALs in the $1k and under range are really appreciated, and will put pressure on other manufacturers to price more competitively. View Quote They're here for the government's money, not your money. |
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Originally Posted By erwos: Yeah, but the LS unit is available _right now_!!! IMHO, any competent MFALs in the $1k and under range are really appreciated, and will put pressure on other manufacturers to price more competitively. View Quote I'm waiting to see 4MR Ranch's video on it. I'll make my assessment at that point as to whether I want to buy it or roll the dice and wait for Holosun. |
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Originally Posted By superdrag67: From where? I haven't seen it anywhere yet. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jt526: Justherefortheguns on Reddit is where I got mine. Hell of a deal on the group buy price. The form factor is great. I've already made up a cat tail for the illum adjuster. Thing is a really good deal for the money as long as it holds up. View Quote This is interesting, do you mind sharing what you came up with? |
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Originally Posted By jt526: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158773/IMG_4842-3311203.jpg here is a crappy picture of v1 and I made a few changes I'll snap a pic tomorrow, but you get the idea. I'll put it up on thingverse if you want the stl. All the way left is wide open and it hits the selector, anything after about 4 o'clock turns the illuminator into a laser beam except at like a million meters. View Quote I didn't know the IRIS was our already. |
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