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STRIBOG SP9A1, SP9A3, SP10A3, SP45A3 (Page 48 of 82)
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Originally Posted By barnbwt: Sounds like things are looking promising again for the 'Bog. Was a bit dicey there for a bit between the recoil spring substitution and mag issues. I think this may be my next purchase (assuming another badass parts kit doesn't come along in the next few weeks; a Stribog is cool, but a Breda M37 is cooler) I mean the casing falling behind the bolt issue wasn't addressed right? Aside GP from just saying "you're doing it wrong" or "you're clearing malfunctions wrong" ??? Or did I miss something? sounds a lot like the issues with the A1 people were having that were malfunctioning and GPs response was " you're just not using the right ammo" Remember that? I am not trying to sound negative towards this gun because I actually really like it but if Im getting something I need it to be functional and reliable. |
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Are these +P rated? Any serial number database to check year of manufacture? I have a Gen 2 that I recently acquired, definitely has a strong spring but hasn't had a failure yet. Mags seem iffy and just feel weird to load, especially if rolling over the plastic lips at the top. |
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Originally Posted By splunkinoob: Are these +P rated? Any serial number database to check year of manufacture? I have a Gen 2 that I recently acquired, definitely has a strong spring but hasn't had a failure yet. Mags seem iffy and just feel weird to load, especially if rolling over the plastic lips at the top. I would just email Global to ask about the S/N range. They were responsive to email and sent me new recoil springs no hassle so I’d imagine they could check S/N. You can probably tell somewhat by the guide rod (dual or single). For frame of reference mid 2019 K# serial range for me was dual guide rod. The mags are a weak point for sure. ETA: older models had the 1/8” slot barrel nut. My mid 2019 Bog had this. I think new ones have 1/4” per ILWT barrel removal tool |
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Originally Posted By kaijie: I would just email Global to ask about the S/N range. They were responsive to email and sent me new recoil springs no hassle so I'd imagine they could check S/N. You can probably tell somewhat by the guide rod (dual or single). For frame of reference mid 2019 K# serial range for me was dual guide rod. The mags are a weak point for sure. ETA: older models had the 1/8" slot barrel nut. My mid 2019 Bog had this. I think new ones have 1/4" per ILWT barrel removal tool G series with a two piece, single spring guide rod. I hate it when the customer is the guinea pig and that's what I think about this platform thus far. |
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Originally Posted By beanz2: Any of the early adopters of the SP9A3 having the same problems on YouTube? Got mine coming and I’m not sure if I should get a Form 1 on it. . Can you be a little more specific? How about a link to the video(s) you are talking about? |
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Originally Posted By beanz2: Any of the early adopters of the SP9A3 having the same problems on YouTube? Got mine coming and I’m not sure if I should get a Form 1 on it. . Nope mine has been flawless with FMJ. I have not found HP ammo that it likes yet but I've only tried one so far. That seems to be a problem across all Gens though. I honestly think too much is made out of a case potentially getting stuck behind the bolt. While I would love to see a modification to make it a non issue it IS something that can be mitigated by training. Definitely not ideal but if that's your only gripe with the platform I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker at all. I do think the response from GP could have been better though for the record. |
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Originally Posted By Bad-Karma: Nope mine has been flawless with FMJ. I have not found HP ammo that it likes yet but I've only tried one so far. That seems to be a problem across all Gens though. I honestly think too much is made out of a case potentially getting stuck behind the bolt. While I would love to see a modification to make it a non issue it IS something that can be mitigated by training. Definitely not ideal but if that's your only gripe with the platform I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker at all. I do think the response from GP could have been better though for the record. Agreed on the response, GP should do some experiments with different ammo so it’s better for the US market I just got an A3, I’ll post on it later, seems good so far, won’t be shooting for a while but first thing I notice is how light it is |
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Originally Posted By MAKAK47: Agreed on the response, GP should do some experiments with different ammo so it’s better for the US market I just got an A3, I’ll post on it later, seems good so far, won’t be shooting for a while but first thing I notice is how light it is I wonder what area would make it more reliable with HP. I've read some people think it's the magazine and that they are more reliable with colt mags/adapter. I'm a bit skeptical of that, would think it just needs more feed ramp. Wonder if In lead we trust has experimented with that at all with their barrel design. |
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Originally Posted By Bad-Karma: Nope mine has been flawless with FMJ. I have not found HP ammo that it likes yet but I've only tried one so far. That seems to be a problem across all Gens though. This is also a problem not exclusive to the Stribog, so cant really knock it much for that. It seems that most PCCs struggle with at least some HP ammo. It is definitely one of the main reasons I am struggling with deciding on a PCC. |
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Originally Posted By Ihavebigguns: Re case behind the bolt, r there any reports of this happening with the 2 rod bolt version? Maybe that’s a potential solution, going to the earlier 2 rod bolt (if you can get I mean)? My A1 is a Gen 1 from eagle arms, it is 2 rod, absolutely no issues with that malfunction type |
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Originally Posted By cardboardkiller: Can you be a little more specific? How about a link to the video(s) you are talking about?  Failed To Load Title . |
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Originally Posted By MAKAK47: https://gunzonedeals.com/product/grand-power-stribog-sp9a1-gen2-pdw-collapsible-brace-with-tailhook-1#product_detail https://gunzonedeals.com/cache/image-full-355801-bb2e7f60a682b65917832d297f0cbd1c.png GET IT NOW!!! GP’s arm brace! That's not the roller delayed model though. |
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So I have a SP9A1 Gen2 with a collapsible brace with a tailhook mod 1 and a Holosun 407c. I love this pistol. I have put over 2000 rounds through it and only had a couple failure to feeds with some flat nosed hollow points but after a detail strip and cleaning it hasn’t had another malfunction. Literally maybe 5 malfunctions total out of 2000-2500 rounds. So with that being said I really want the roller delayed version. I have been watching this thread since I got my Stribog last year during the Father’s Day sale that came with a free Grand Power handgun from Global. Is it worth it to sell the Stribog SP9A1 with collapsible brace and grab a SP9A3? Are the adapters comparable for the collapsible brace? If I got a folding stock version of the A3 could I just swap the braces? What’s the consensus, is it worth it to switch? |
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Originally Posted By wallace91: So I have a SP9A1 Gen2 with a collapsible brace with a tailhook mod 1 and a Holosun 407c. I love this pistol. I have put over 2000 rounds through it and only had a couple failure to feeds with some flat nosed hollow points but after a detail strip and cleaning it hasn’t had another malfunction. Literally maybe 5 malfunctions total out of 2000-2500 rounds. So with that being said I really want the roller delayed version. I have been watching this thread since I got my Stribog last year during the Father’s Day sale that came with a free Grand Power handgun from Global. Is it worth it to sell the Stribog SP9A1 with collapsible brace and grab a SP9A3? Are the adapters comparable for the collapsible brace? If I got a folding stock version of the A3 could I just swap the braces? What’s the consensus, is it worth it to switch? A3 might need more run time in the US, a guy on Facebook posted results of ammo and only had issues with 147/150 grain bullets from two brands and they were flat nose, other rounds ran really well EDIT: his video is below Almost everything else on the A1 and A3 are interchangeable, just not the bolts or bolt carriers as they are very different, so your braces will swap, trigger mods, charging handles, magazines, etc.  Failed To Load Title 
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Someone in one of the stribog facebook groups made a delrin spacer for the recoil spring assembly on their a3. Apparently by reducing bolt travel they were able to further reduce recoil and also solve the problem of spent casings becoming lodged in the lower. Not sure if it maintained last round bolt hold open or not. He wasn't very clear on that one. He shows the relative size of the spacer there. Not sure how long something like this would last before being damaged either. He notes it was 1.2 inches in length, looks likes 1 1/8 to me |
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I’ll watch the video. Thanks for the response. But that round count sample size is pretty low. Also Mike @ mrgunsandgear seemed to have some issues. With my SP9A1 being pretty damn reliable, and I trust my life on it reliable; with the brace collapsed it fits in a regular sized back pack I just don’t know if it’s worth switching yet. That’s why I’m wondering if the recoil impulse is really that big of a deal. I own an MP5 clone and other direct blowback PCC’s and the Stribog is my favorite. I just have wanted the A3 for so long. I would buy both but in these economic times I have to make some financial decisions that are somewhat reasonable. |
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Originally Posted By OhioRangeTime: Someone in one of the stribog facebook groups made a delrin spacer for the recoil spring assembly on their a3. Apparently by reducing bolt travel they were able to further reduce recoil and also solve the problem of spent casings becoming lodged in the lower. Not sure if it maintained last round bolt hold open or not. He wasn't very clear on that one. https://i.imgur.com/2vaydGy.jpg He shows the relative size of the spacer there. Not sure how long something like this would last before being damaged either. He notes it was 1.2 inches in length, looks likes 1 1/8 to me He did say in his post that it does not maintain LRBHO. This essentially does the same thing as the JP short stroke system without the extra weight. In that same post someone else with an A1 (two rod system) essentially did the same thing by adding a couple extra buffer pads. He states he made the spacer out of derin (I'm sure that was a typo and he meant Delrin). Delrin is pretty tough stuff so I doubt his spacer would wear out but not sure if that would accelerate buffer wear. If it did, that normally wouldn't be an issue if you were able to get spare parts. I hope GO gets some parts in soon. |
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Originally Posted By wallace91: So I have a SP9A1 Gen2 with a collapsible brace with a tailhook mod 1 and a Holosun 407c. I love this pistol. I have put over 2000 rounds through it and only had a couple failure to feeds with some flat nosed hollow points but after a detail strip and cleaning it hasn’t had another malfunction. Literally maybe 5 malfunctions total out of 2000-2500 rounds. So with that being said I really want the roller delayed version. I have been watching this thread since I got my Stribog last year during the Father’s Day sale that came with a free Grand Power handgun from Global. Is it worth it to sell the Stribog SP9A1 with collapsible brace and grab a SP9A3? Are the adapters comparable for the collapsible brace? If I got a folding stock version of the A3 could I just swap the braces? What’s the consensus, is it worth it to switch? I guess that depends on your situation. I am keeping my A1 mostly because it is already SBRd and I already thought it was a great gun to shoot. I did purchase an A3 and plan on SBRing that as well. Sadly I have not had time to take the A3 to the range so I cannot provide a personal opinion on the difference between the two just yet. If you can afford to buy the A3 w/o having to sell off the A1, that will give you time to decide. |
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Originally Posted By wallace91: ... So with that being said I really want the roller delayed version. I have been watching this thread since I got my Stribog last year during the Father’s Day sale that came with a free Grand Power handgun from Global. Is it worth it to sell the Stribog SP9A1 with collapsible brace and grab a SP9A3? Are the adapters comparable for the collapsible brace? If I got a folding stock version of the A3 could I just swap the braces? What’s the consensus, is it worth it to switch? I was going to buy A3 but decided to build a BRN-180S for the same $ instead. Very happy with my A1 non-recip 2 rod version and will keep it. For me the BRN-180s adds a similar-sized gun but in 556 (223 Wylde), so that benefit outweighed what I consider to be a llikely incremental improvement in recoil from A1 to A3 version. Also, A1 recoil is not bad at all IMO. But I have not shot A3 yet, so only going on what I see on reviews etc. The next person may feel differently that's just my take on it so far. Maybe after I shoot A3 I will change my mind I dunno. But with possible AR restrictions looming in the future I wanted to have a 556 in truck gun size with folding brace. I don't have pics of my gun yet cuz waiting on parts but similar brn-180s guns shown below. My total cost w/o brace & optic -but with fancy fast firing SS 3.5lb trigger- is $1050, so almost the same as A3. (How do I get images to show up directly instead of just a link, they show up on preview but not after I hit submit button?)   |
| I already have a BRN180-S, along with tons of AR’s and one Sig 516. I also have an MP5 clone. I just really like the Stribog and if the A3 makes it that much better I would totally want to use it. I have shot my A1 enough where I trust it with my life and love that it fits in a backpack. |
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Originally Posted By GrandmasterB: I see mentions of rumors that someone might make a delayed blowback drop-in conversion for the older gens, but I haven't seen anything official. Anyone know for sure? Has anyone that owns an A1 and A3 tried swapping the guts from the A3 into an A1 to see if this would work? I'm sure there are a lot of people that would rather go this route than re-buy the gun just to have the new bolt. |
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Originally Posted By pathfinder74: Without reading the entire thread to figure this out for myself... Has anyone that owns an A1 and A3 tried swapping the guts from the A3 into an A1 to see if this would work? I'm sure there are a lot of people that would rather go this route than re-buy the gun just to have the new bolt. No it doesn’t work ETA: not from my personal experience, from what people posted here. Would require significant modification |
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Originally Posted By kaijie: No it doesn’t work ETA: not from my personal experience, from what people posted here. Would require significant modification So is anyone in the aftermarket going to make a drop-in, roller-delayed conversion that will work in the earlier gen guns? |
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Originally Posted By splunkinoob: Emailed global ordinance with some basic questions weeks ago and have not received a response. Is the uzi mag adapter available anywhere yet? https://bam3dparts.com/product/bam-stribog-colt-mag-well-adapter/ this gentleman is making them out of zytel |
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Originally Posted By kaijie: https://bam3dparts.com/product/bam-stribog-colt-mag-well-adapter/ this gentleman is making them out of zytel Originally Posted By kaijie: Originally Posted By splunkinoob: Emailed global ordinance with some basic questions weeks ago and have not received a response. Is the uzi mag adapter available anywhere yet? https://bam3dparts.com/product/bam-stribog-colt-mag-well-adapter/ this gentleman is making them out of zytel but for now you lose LRBHO |
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| I picked up a good bit of L7A1 ammo recently and asked Jaro on his FB page about the use in the stribog. He replied that the Stribog would love it. He also posted a video of one the handguns they produce firing 1000 rds of L7A1. Pretty impressive to say the least. |
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hello Guys, I'm looking for a speed loader for Stribog Mag, and Grand Power can't adviced me any models... and they don't produce speed loader for their stribog. I found this kind of speed loader : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stribog-Magazine-Speed-loader-x15-9mm-FREE-SHIPPING-/352890997187 this one is out of stock : https://www.amazon.com/Stribog-SP9A1-A2-Magazine-Unloader-Speedloader/dp/B07S6H8M4H but the sellers refuse to ship outside the US. It's not part of fire arms, it's not under ITAR rules. That's completely free... but I can't get them in France. I'm not usual to this kind of request, but if someone accept to buy one and send it to France, that's very very great... Let me know by MP. I can pay by paypal and bank transfer all fees. Many thanks, |
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I use the ETS C.A.M. Universal Loader for Rifles for my Stribog. I think it works OK, but I'm sure a dedicated Stribog loader would work better. It does have the advantage of working with many other magazine/cartridge combinations though. I find it useful for my AUG and AK magazines https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Group-C-A-M-Loader-p/etscam-rifle.htm I also found an Ebay France listing for it: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Elite-Tactical-Systems-C-A-M-Universal-Loader-for-Rifles-NEW-ETSCAM-RIFLE-/173904936818 |
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Originally Posted By Steve961: I use the ETS C.A.M. Universal Loader for Rifles for my Stribog. I think it works OK, but I'm sure a dedicated Stribog loader would work better. It does have the advantage of working with many other magazine/cartridge combinations though. I find it useful for my AUG and AK magazines https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Group-C-A-M-Loader-p/etscam-rifle.htm I also found an Ebay France listing for it: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Elite-Tactical-Systems-C-A-M-Universal-Loader-for-Rifles-NEW-ETSCAM-RIFLE-/173904936818 Hi Steve961 & mchgnxj24, many thanks for feedback and for searching on ebay.fr !! I'm look at this solution. |
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Originally Posted By MAKAK47: Loving my Bogs, A1 and A3 https://i.imgur.com/odfYdN0_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium |
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Originally Posted By pathfinder74: So is there actually a noticeable difference and is it enough that you would ditch your A1? Yes, there is a difference, it’s more than noticeable, shooting them side by side you can feel way more back pressure from the A1, when I zeroed they A3 from the bench, I had my hand over the top to control muzzle rise, it was like shooting a .22lr on steroids, the reticle stayed on target during recoil, it was amazing to me how much smoother it shot than the A1, this is my first experience with roller delay and I’m impressed Personally I will not sell the A1 regardless, but if I had to drop one of them, the ole’ A1 would get the pink slip |
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Originally Posted By Cz357: Any ETA on when new ones will be available for sale? People have been waiting for the A3 for over a year, you'd think they would have gotten more than a handful ready for sale in that time. They started selling them in July, everyone is sold out due to demand and current climate in general |
| Decided to call GO and ask about the manual stating that you cant charge the weapon while the safety is engaged and they confirmed that you'll damage the safety mechanism. I asked if it was a common issue and they said yes it very likely that it will happen if you continue to do so. IMO this is grounds for selling the damn thing. What yall think? This weapon shouldn't fail under a very possible method of operation. I think this is a big oversight by Grand Power.... |
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Originally Posted By MAKAK47: They started selling them in July, everyone is sold out due to demand and current climate in general I don't think the demand is as high as we might think. I had one for sale on the EE and took it down and put it on gunbroker. Seems more people are interested in the mp5 platform |
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Originally Posted By mikego_34: Decided to call GO and ask about the manual stating that you cant charge the weapon while the safety is engaged and they confirmed that you'll damage the safety mechanism. I asked if it was a common issue and they said yes it very likely that it will happen if you continue to do so. IMO this is grounds for selling the damn thing. What yall think? This weapon shouldn't fail under a very possible method of operation. I think this is a big oversight by Grand Power.... I currently have an A3 (sold my A1s). It says this in the manual I have which doesn’t distinguish between generations. I took my a look at my Stribog internals and I can’t actually imagine what you will damage by charging it with the safety on though? It’s similar to an AR safety in operation. Also the bolt rides over the hammer a little safety on or off, but I can’t see how this would hurt the safety mechanism. Smarter people may know? I agree with you, it’s procedurally more unsafe to charge the weapon safety off. |
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Originally Posted By kaijie: I currently have an A3 (sold my A1s). It says this in the manual I have which doesn’t distinguish between generations. I took my a look at my Stribog internals and I can’t actually imagine what you will damage by charging it with the safety on though? It’s similar to an AR safety in operation. Also the bolt rides over the hammer a little safety on or off, but I can’t see how this would hurt the safety mechanism. Smarter people may know? I agree with you, it’s procedurally more unsafe to charge the weapon safety off. That makes no sense, I charge it with safety on all the time, no issues |
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Originally Posted By MAKAK47: That makes no sense, I charge it with safety on all the time, no issues I do too. Referencing what is stated in the manual about not using the charging handle with the safety on. Again, I can’t see a reason why it would be included when I look at the gun in mechanical function. |
STRIBOG SP9A1, SP9A3, SP10A3, SP45A3 (Page 48 of 82)
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