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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:22:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Paulie771]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trails-end: Where do you put the IFAK on the Brit kit? I bought a Varusteleka double mag pouch IFAK insert for my JayJay's commander rig and put it in the right hand side's commander pouch w/ 4 mags. ETA: this Chinook offering might work too. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 3:25:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paulie771: I bought a Varusteleka double mag pouch IFAK insert for my JayJay's commander rig and put it in the right hand side's commander pouch w/ 4 mags. ETA: this Chinook offering might work too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paulie771: Originally Posted By trails-end: Where do you put the IFAK on the Brit kit? I bought a Varusteleka double mag pouch IFAK insert for my JayJay's commander rig and put it in the right hand side's commander pouch w/ 4 mags. ETA: this Chinook offering might work too. Thank you. I guess a US MOLLE insert would work as well in the commanders pouch. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 3:35:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paulie771: I bought a Varusteleka double mag pouch IFAK insert for my JayJay's commander rig and put it in the right hand side's commander pouch w/ 4 mags. ETA: this Chinook offering might work too. Tactical Tailor makes the same thing, which might ship cheaper. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 6:10:23 AM EST
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Another possible option. It fits in one of my plce triple mag pouches.
ATS insert |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 8:19:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: Diz]
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Those are very cool options for a gunshot wound kit.
I would be partial to the 3-mag option, because it saves my sustainment pouches for other kit. |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 11:09:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIFLEMANIV: Another possible option. It fits in one of my plce triple mag pouches. ATS insert Honestly, I wish I had remembered ATS had a triple mag pouch-sized option. I think the double mag sized ones like the Varusteleka or Tactical Tailor are too small for what I like to carry. I might end up getting the ATS. They're somewhat local to me as well (Clarksville, TN). |
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Posted: 4/22/2023 1:49:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: raf]
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Unfortunately, my purchasing of belt and yoke for such kit has been postponed due to unforeseen circumstances.
I regret the thread diversion, but there it is. First things first. Belt and yoke will be purchased next month. Advice requested on where to purchase high quality hippo belt and matching yoke. Minimizing shipping is the goal. Advice on which mfrs/vendors to avoid equally welcome. |
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FM, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2023 12:36:49 PM EST
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For the folks looking for stuff stateside, Tyr Tactical has some really slick jungle kit. There is next to no evidence of it online and you have to email (or call I suppose) and ask about it. They don't have any of it available on their website for some strange reason.
They make a 4 row belt pad as well as a 3 down to 2 row pad and a really nice looking yoke. None of which I have my hands on yet but I did purchase some of their pouches and they are top notch. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 2:56:48 PM EST
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Well ok, Tyr is nice stuff but basically unobtainable, much like the VelSys stuff. Also pricey.
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FM, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2023 5:14:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Well ok, Tyr is nice stuff but basically unobtainable, much like the VelSys stuff. Also pricey. That's mostly fair statements, although raf had mentioned price wasn't a concern previously and that he wanted US scoured stuff. I have had good luck with being able to specify the color I wanted and in timely fashion. Except for one of the belts I wanted but it was just a 1.75 base belt so I can work around that. The customer service has also been excellent. The only bummer about it is that they dont have all of their stuff listed and easily ordered. |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 5:30:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Well ok, Tyr is nice stuff but basically unobtainable, much like the VelSys stuff. Also pricey. To quote the honorable Judge Smails   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 5:35:10 PM EST
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Just to say my previous comments about price not being my primary concern does NOT mean I would not enjoy finding "acceptable" bargains.
I may have a few bucks to spend; Spending them wisely is the point. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2023 7:59:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ridinshotgun: To quote the honorable Judge Smails /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/F09DE067-47F9-4C4C-934C-223722121019-480.gif  He’s right you know. |
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FM, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2023 1:31:38 AM EST
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My fault, misinterpreted.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 12:16:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: raf]
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I recently "found" my ATS War Belt (with optional ballistic inserts). 3 rows of PALS webbing. While possibly not ideal for this application, perhaps inserting some 1/16" thick HDPE sheet will likely serve to "stiffen" the War Belt sufficiently for this sort of load-carriage.
ATS War Belt I agree that the 6-point Brit yoke may be superior to most others for this application. My reservation about the Brit Yoke is whether or not it is sufficiently low profile enough to allow possible donning of a PC or ballistic vest over the yoke, and possibly wearing a pack over the entire ensemble without the bulk of the yoke causing issues/hot points. Advice requested concerning low-profile multi-point suspenders/yoke that will allow the options stated above. Too bad that FMCO is no longer in business. Some of their belt-based items are coming back into vogue. @Diz |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 2:15:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: I recently "found" my ATS War Belt (with optional ballistic inserts). 3 rows of PALS webbing. While possibly not ideal for this application, perhaps inserting some 1/16" thick HDPE sheet will likely serve to "stiffen" the War Belt sufficiently for this sort of load-carriage. ATS War Belt I agree that the 6-point Brit yoke may be superior to most others for this application. My reservation about the Brit Yoke is whether or not it is sufficiently low profile enough to allow possible donning of a PC or ballistic vest over the yoke, and possibly wearing a pack over the entire ensemble without the bulk of the yoke causing issues/hot points. Advice requested concerning low-profile multi-point suspenders/yoke that will allow the options stated above. Too bad that FMCO is no longer in business. Some of their belt-based items are coming back into vogue. @Diz If you do overseas ordering, this looks like the best for low-pro: Yoke, Under Body Armour, MTP If you want to try and cobble, these look low-pro, but only 4-point: Eagle Multicam SLP-FCCA Low Profile FR Suspenders |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 6:27:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: If you do overseas ordering, this looks like the best for low-pro: Yoke, Under Body Armour, MTP If you want to try and cobble, these look low-pro, but only 4-point: Eagle Multicam SLP-FCCA Low Profile FR Suspenders |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 10:06:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: I recently "found" my ATS War Belt (with optional ballistic inserts). 3 rows of PALS webbing. While possibly not ideal for this application, perhaps inserting some 1/16" thick HDPE sheet will likely serve to "stiffen" the War Belt sufficiently for this sort of load-carriage. ATS War Belt I agree that the 6-point Brit yoke may be superior to most others for this application. My reservation about the Brit Yoke is whether or not it is sufficiently low profile enough to allow possible donning of a PC or ballistic vest over the yoke, and possibly wearing a pack over the entire ensemble without the bulk of the yoke causing issues/hot points. Advice requested concerning low-profile multi-point suspenders/yoke that will allow the options stated above. Too bad that FMCO is no longer in business. Some of their belt-based items are coming back into vogue. @Diz I'd recommend finding a way to do the outriggers. It doesn't have to be pretty and you could anchor it to the molle or whatever. Makes a big difference even with moderate loads. I have mine done up with straps from one of my packs but need to get something permanent done since Murphys law dictates it will break maximum distance from the trailhead. Much more comfortable for longer hikes than the 4 points. 
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Posted: 4/27/2023 7:41:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: I'd recommend finding a way to do the outriggers. It doesn't have to be pretty and you could anchor it to the molle or whatever. Makes a big difference even with moderate loads. I have mine done up with straps from one of my packs but need to get something permanent done since Murphys law dictates it will break maximum distance from the trailhead. Much more comfortable for longer hikes than the 4 points. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519824/20230426_195624-2797135.jpg |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 2:33:33 AM EST
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After some of the suggestions in this thread, my base jungle kit is together.
 Attached File Attached File Attached FileJayJays Yoke and Belt Velocity Systems: 2x jungle 5.56 mag pouch 2x jungle canteen pouch 2x jungle GP pouch |
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Posted: 4/28/2023 6:19:01 AM EST
[#21]
That is a sweet set up.
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Posted: 4/28/2023 11:54:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: raf]
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Currently "paused" on obtaining more items pending receipt of some Dutch pouches from SG, and some large Brit pouches from a YT vendor, in addition to experimenting with currently owned items.
Pending their receipt, no way to tell for sure whether or not they will "play well" with already-owned ATS War Belt. I have plenty of rather large belt pouches which will probably serve. "Over-buying" cheap milsurp stuff as a possible backup to items already owned. I am "preparing" myself for at least buying the Brit yoke, and possibly a Hippo belt. Time will tell. I kinda wish I had bought one of the old FMCO 6- or 8-point shoulder harnesses when I had the chance. FMCO stuff was well made. No Expert, but I believe the greatly increased overseas shipping prices are due to a move away from surface shipping, and a move towards air transport. People nowadays want their stuff quickly, and their patience is tasked by much longer (but much cheaper) surface shipping time. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2023 4:10:28 PM EST
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Well they keep pushing the back order date for the pouches from Sportsmans Guide. So I pulled the trigger and order some supplies from Rockywoods and gonna try rolling my own. Fingers crossed they turn out ok.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 6:31:33 AM EST
[#24]
Hell yeah! Let me know if you need any help.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 8:42:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: Well they keep pushing the back order date for the pouches from Sportsmans Guide. So I pulled the trigger and order some supplies from Rockywoods and gonna try rolling my own. Fingers crossed they turn out ok. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2023 11:45:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Hell yeah! Let me know if you need any help. Just hope that the supplies get here before next weekend. I have a free day next weekend. If I can’t get it done then, not sure when I would get to it. And the usual Ts and Ps couldn’t hurt. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 12:26:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: Sinister]
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This is my poor / cheap man's version of British PLCE web gear. Made my own "Hippo" belt with a mix of GI and PLCE items.
The canteens are Australian two-quarts. The butt-pack is standard US GI. A Medium ALICE with Medium MOLLE frame rides "Short back" on top the canteen pouches and buttpack.  Attached File Attached File |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:30:07 PM EST
[#28]
Very nice! Pics of the belt? Nice job on modifying the SAW pouches.
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:14:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: ROCK6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Has anyone checked out those silicon gaskets for Brit water bottles on aliexpress? I couldn't find the 42mm ones? @Diz, they finally arrived (took about 3 weeks) and a perfect fit. These gaskets are round, I have two varieties of the issued Pattern 58 canteens; one with a flat red gasket (newer) and the older versions with a flat black gasket (that need to be replaced). I'll test a couple out over the next few weeks, but no leaking. They fit perfectly, this one isn't fully seated, but sitting on top of the older black gasket, still a very good fit and I'll replace those that have the older gaskets:   If you're in dire need, I could mail off a couple (it was a package of 20). Size is 42mm OD x 5mm CS (cross section): O-rings  ROCK6 |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 7:13:46 AM EST
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Ordered. Thanks bro!
Was out testing belt kit designs last week with marketing guru. One test we did was a quarter mile run to see how stable it is with a full load. JJ's was the base line of course. Well the funny thing was one canteen had a leaky seal. Water got all over the place including marketing guru's jeep. He was not amused. Which I suppose brings up another point. For some of you guys that might not know, before each patrol, the old saw was you had each guy jump up and down to see if anything was lose or rattled. We just took that a step further and actually ran in the damn thing to see what's what. One thing you have to be aware of, with Brit style belt kit, you might get a little more bounce, since the pouches are usually slung much lower. So what the squaddies will usually do is cobble everything together with bungees. Also, the longer the hippo belt, the more pad is there to back up the pouch and keep it from bouncing. And obviously, custom sewn in gives you the most solid ride. Now saying that, for a small 4-man patrol, especially doing recce work, the vast majority of your time is spent going low and slow. However, when you do have to move, it's important that your kit isn't fighting you. So it's a combination of something that allows you to take a knee and prone out, but also won't beat you to death when you have to run. And good seals on your canteens. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 12:45:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: Maguzi308]
[#31]
Would like to see more retro, this is interesting as hell. I know this group of gear hoarder's have a ton of surplus available to make you say hum. Create a new topic/post, just interested or to help with a budget minded individual.
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Posted: 5/8/2023 4:44:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Ordered. Thanks bro! Was out testing belt kit designs last week with marketing guru. One test we did was a quarter mile run to see how stable it is with a full load. JJ's was the base line of course. Well the funny thing was one canteen had a leaky seal. Water got all over the place including marketing guru's jeep. He was not amused. Which I suppose brings up another point. For some of you guys that might not know, before each patrol, the old saw was you had each guy jump up and down to see if anything was lose or rattled. We just took that a step further and actually ran in the damn thing to see what's what. One thing you have to be aware of, with Brit style belt kit, you might get a little more bounce, since the pouches are usually slung much lower. So what the squaddies will usually do is cobble everything together with bungees. Also, the longer the hippo belt, the more pad is there to back up the pouch and keep it from bouncing. And obviously, custom sewn in gives you the most solid ride. Now saying that, for a small 4-man patrol, especially doing recce work, the vast majority of your time is spent going low and slow. However, when you do have to move, it's important that your kit isn't fighting you. So it's a combination of something that allows you to take a knee and prone out, but also won't beat you to death when you have to run. And good seals on your canteens. Leaky seals suck Yeah, we did the "jump around" test before patrols and also shined lights to identify any shiny or reflective equipment using tape and Sharpie markers to clean them up. I think your method of testing gear is more sound with regard to assessing fitment when running. Quite a few battle drills involve running. I can't tell you how many times a fully loaded LBE beat the ever living crap out of me if worn low and loose because I was humping a ruck. Simulated far ambush or artillery, as per TTPs we dropped our ruck and beat feat to cover or last RP. Heavy dangling, swinging combat loads really screw up your balance will force you to fight it as much as the terrain and enemy. I won't be doing four mile runs with kit, but I think it would be eye opening just to do a couple of hundred yard sprints (or even just a fast-paced walk/jog). Fitment will impact mobility and balance. ROCK6 ROCK6 |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 7:45:46 AM EST
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Oh yeah for sure, BTDT. And will do a complete work up with belt kit and rucksack in the Uwharrie very soon. We are also sponsoring Gritty Soldier at the Fan Dance this summer. I will probably end up testing out a belt kit and rucksack on the Fan again just for shits n giggles.
I am currently testing out four different configs, so the peeps around my neighborhood are used to seeing me in belt kit and rucksack. I am doing short 3 mile runs right now, before I take it up into the hills. Basically fixing everything I hated about my issue kit. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 12:52:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Oh yeah for sure, BTDT. And will do a complete work up with belt kit and rucksack in the Uwharrie very soon. We are also sponsoring Gritty Soldier at the Fan Dance this summer. I will probably end up testing out a belt kit and rucksack on the Fan again just for shits n giggles. I am currently testing out four different configs, so the peeps around my neighborhood are used to seeing me in belt kit and rucksack. I am doing short 3 mile runs right now, before I take it up into the hills. Basically fixing everything I hated about my issue kit. It might be that US and other Militaries might find such items useful in the future. Suggest patenting what you do, although the US Mil is notorious for "sliding" around patents. Witness 1903 Springfield rifle, and its' 5-rd charger clips. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 1:07:27 PM EST
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SORD pouches arrived today. 8-1/4" high, 4-3/4" wide, 3" deep (conservative measurements). Pouches are well made with some internal loose threads to be burned via Bic lighter.
Central top 1" wide plastic loop for attachment of top mounted nylon webbing, such as from shoulder harness. Not so sure I am a fan of SORD velcro fastening of PALS fastening loops, but since they will not likely often be fastened and unfastened, might be a moot point. Materials and stitching seem GTG, at least visibly. Quality of thread remains to be seen, but SORD has an overall good reputation. Many "loose" threads internally, requiring the pouch to be turned inside-out in order to melt such. No biggie and expected. Overall, Initially quite pleased. YMMV. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2023 2:36:53 PM EST
[#36]
This is what I ended up with.
L-R- 2 UW gear double AR mag pouches, a Spec Ops X6, a french gas mask bag as the buttpack (I love these, they have the strongest velcro in the world), another X6, knife, UW gear multipurpose pouch used as IFAK, molle /compass pouch. It's on a usgi alice belt with Eagle belt pad and USGI alice suspenders. 
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Posted: 5/8/2023 4:25:24 PM EST
[#37]
I think that most belt-based rigs seem to pay scant attention to the pack which is intended to interface with belt-mounted rigs.
It's all fine to have a decent belt-based rig, but how that rig interfaces with a supporting pack has not been much discussed. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 5:22:39 PM EST
[#38]
That's a decent rig, especially with UW Gear mag pouches.
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Posted: 5/8/2023 7:15:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: I think that most belt-based rigs seem to pay scant attention to the pack which is intended to interface with belt-mounted rigs. It's all fine to have a decent belt-based rig, but how that rig interfaces with a supporting pack has not been much discussed. I would disagree. Go back a dozen or so pages and there was much discussion about ‘the shelf’ concept for the patrol rig and the pack/bergen/ALICE |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:47:42 AM EST
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Raf, this is because most are trained or accustomed with tailored ALICE moreso than british style. Mentality is difficult to change, materials are not always readily available and a good tailored Alice will do 80% of the work at 20% of cost.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Maguzi308: Would like to see more retro, this is interesting as hell. I know this group of gear hoarder's have a ton of surplus available to make you say hum. Create a new topic/post, just interested or to help with a budget minded individual. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18978/alice_chest_rig_jpg-2751706.JPG https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ca/12/08/ca1208fac828bca2f0ec6dc36003ed58.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18978/DSCF7471_JPG-2805605.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18978/DSCF7472_JPG-2805607.JPG https://images2.imgbox.com/39/f9/r5dyioTT_o.jpg https://images2.imgbox.com/8f/f2/FViH8XaV_o.jpg As i mentioned before, there is the same work and price in the first rig and in every other you can readily buy. It is made (by Hub City Outdoor) to look old school because it is fashionable now in some circles. The last two are cheaply rigged items from my collecton i bought from a Ranger. those are definitely very budget items, however i wouldn't call them comfortable, i think they were made just as molle chest rigs were issued. ingenious for sure. The second one looks budget made and cool, more inline with the "budget minded" spirit. I recognize danish PLCE harness you guys say it's cheaply sold by Sportsman guide, i spot an Alice type belt plus parts of the Safariland ELCS belt sleeves (i would like to see how it's all fitted from the other side as the sleeves seem to be above the belt). Watching that floppy buttpack there is a point to be made about rigid brit pouches, and i wonder if a better shelf could be made by changing it with some more rigid pouch. There was a big surplus of Us military veterinary buttpacks made by SOTECH that surely seemed more rigid, or i wonder if a more boxy rigid pouch like the 300rd .308 linked ammo bag from t3 gear that is the only one issued with molle attachment could work there. or maybe the SFLCS squad casualty bag. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 7:23:42 AM EST
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As usual, Joe is spot on here. I forget that I have been chasing this goal for several decades, and the fact that I can now buy anything I want, vs only being able to afford what I could cobble together from issue and surplus store, clouds my judgment sometimes. And, as he illustrates, when you are deployed to other countries you can swap out with other units and try their kit. This is exactly how I got my first pieces of Brit kit. The old cotton canvas OD green stuff at that.
Seeing how this thread has gone from VelSys jungle kit, to Jungle Kit, we have explored kit that is more accessible, not to mention more affordable. So you have some choices here. You can cobble together something domestic, and get a reasonable jungle rig; you can find Brit kit and build a really good jungle rig; or you can combine the two by sourcing Brit style kit available over here. Lots of ways to skin this cat. I spent many miles ( or should I say "Clicks") in modified USGI stuff, that worked reasonably well. But I have also spent many years trying to improve it. So the choice is yours. Concerning butt packs. Lots of guys love these things. And they are handy. But wait to you run in them. As Joe said, there's a reason why the Brit style pouches work better in this regard. As previously mentioned, I have been out testing various configs lately. When you have this big-assed pouch hanging off the back like that, it tries to beat you to death when you are running. Tying off the back shoulder straps to the pouch itself certainly helps but does not completely solve the issue. It's your choice; it's certainly handy but has it's downside. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:19:39 AM EST
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Okay, I got my Jay-Jay's kit in the mail. How is everyone rigging the shock cord around the pouches?
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:18:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: Diz]
[#43]
Well, what they usually do is use those small loops in between each pouch to weave the cord through and around. Or use any Molle present. Traditional Brit pouches had small loops on the back of each pouch for this. I like JJ's approach in that it also snugs up the contents of each pouch. So you are quieting down as well as keeping from bouncing. You basically want to weave it about 1/2 of the way down. That way you can insert your object in a nice "well" or funnel before the tensioning device kicks in. Lots of pouches have bungee or elastic right at the top of the pouches which can make it fiddly to get things back in them. Thinking at night, when you're trying to do something, one-handed, without looking at it.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:21:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cap6888: So my project is coming together. I am using a SORD USA belt as the base, I already have a PLCE yoke on hand, I am just waiting for the utility pouches which are backordered from Sportsmans Guide. Hopefully they should be here in a week or so. SO with some guidance from Diz, some Rit dye, and about an hour of my time, I upgraded the belt from this..... https://i.postimg.cc/90cjz0D8/IMG-4071.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/DzbhMtVg/IMG-4070.jpg To this..... https://i.postimg.cc/k4QmnKgR/IMG-4081.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Y9K7KbMw/IMG-4080.jpg The padding is a nice improvement. We will see how it all works together once the pouches come in. Yea, this is the one big drawback to the SORD belt, the lack of padding. Then again, I picked a couple up for like $20, I see them as something cheap to try out and see if you like the belt system instead of having to buy $$$ stuff from overseas. I've been thinking about upgrading my SORD belts with padding too, to get me by until I order one from Jayjays. So I have some questions about your job. 1. What padding material did you use, and how thick did you make it? Do you like it that thick, or wish you went thicker / thinner? 2. What is the outer layer that you used to hold the padding material in? 3. How did you sew it on? Specifically, like, did you remove the edge binding and tuck it under and re-sew? I can't tell from your picture, it's a bit small, but it looks like you just added a new layer of edge binding material over the regular one and sewed it from there. Did you wrap the edge binding around all the way to the front side too, or just over the back side to hold it down? Looks like you wrapped it all the way around. What kind / size of edge binding did you use? Bonus Question - What rit dye did you use / how much / method? That turned out pretty nice for what it is (the color) |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:45:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Well, what they usually do is use those small loops in between each pouch to weave the cord through and around. Or use any Molle present. Traditional Brit pouches had small loops on the back of each pouch for this. I like JJ's approach in that it also snugs up the contents of each pouch. So you are quieting down as well as keeping from bouncing. You basically want to weave it about 1/2 of the way down. That way you can insert your object in a nice "well" or funnel before the tensioning device kicks in. Lots of pouches have bungee or elastic right at the top of the pouches which can make it fiddly to get things back in them. Thinking at night, when you're trying to do something, one-handed, without looking at it. So create a loop or attach it to the belt on each end? |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 1:56:01 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: We are also sponsoring Gritty Soldier at the Fan Dance this summer.  HUGE NEWS! | UK's Special Forces (SAS) FAN DANCE Challenge Awesome! |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 2:10:14 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DerFALMaus: So create a loop or attach it to the belt on each end? I knotted the bungie(shock cord) at each end of 4 utility pouches, I left a little extra bungie so I could adjust if needed in the future, So, weave between and then over each pouch, and knot at the ends was my approach. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 2:41:04 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diz: Coupla things. Ebay all day long for Crusader cups, cookers, etc. On modifying a belt. Two ways to go about it. Just sandwich on new layers, as you're thinking about. Or. Taking it apart and adding padding layers, then sewing back together. Since this belt already has a stiffener, all you need is some good padding. Can you post a pic of the belt so we can see exactly what we're dealing with? I think in this case you could get by with just a layer or two of polyester batting added into the mix. But it needs a solid layer to seal it inside the belt. Something that is light but breathable. Like those new fabrics they use on soft shell parkas and trou. Check out Rocky Woods Fabrics for some ideas. I prefer a solid backing to mesh because it won't tear up or get clogged with all manner of gunk. Of course this depends on you and your location. Diz, would 500d Cordura, that is UNcoated, work as the outside layer over the polyester batting? I have a few yards of it. What would you suggest to use for fabric? |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 3:53:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MFS1589: I knotted the bungie(shock cord) at each end of 4 utility pouches, I left a little extra bungie so I could adjust if needed in the future, So, weave between and then over each pouch, and knot at the ends was my approach. I added a toggle and cord lock between each one to be able to adjust the tension. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 4:22:40 PM EST
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We are going into finer details here. I don't think that there Is Need to attach the Bungee to the belt as the pouches are attached to the belt pad all around. However now It makes sense to.me that on a molle belt with molle pouches there may be more wobble and tying the Bungee to the belt too May offer Better stability. Regarding Bungee, if you tye a knot at each side of the pouch you have ore determined stable tension for Every pouch. If you however Just pass the Bungee into the slot tying only at both end of the utilities you have a sorte of self adjusting tension, the more.full the pouches the fighter. Plastic.slider on One side.looks.like a good idea, conching gdown different loadouts with Just a Quick pull.i have mine set up knotted only at the ends, but looped twice between the pouches, so there Is still a Little degree of adjustability.
Someone stitches the shock cord to the central part of Every pouch, a couple of stitches Just underside the buckle to avoid the risk of the cord moving up or down or getting snagged and pulled away by something like vegetation. My only suggestions are to not use a cord that Is too tight or you Will have difficulties putting items back in. Also there are quality shock cords that are thin, without using the thicker cargo type straps, the thinner the Better (also flat elastic straps exist. |
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