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For sure, many ways to run radios. After fiddling about, I am back to running a radio in a small pack (aka assault pack). I am definitely going back "old school" on this, so this may or may not be for you.
On "slotted" hardware. Yes, it is probably not as strong, and yes, it MAY stretch and fail, but, the question is, would it hold up under "normal" use? My best guess is yes. Will probably being testing that out soon. I have swapped out hardware on several packs and will do the same on Diz rigs. Testing out durability, not to mention NIR capabilities. |
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It's all about the fiddle factor.
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Lol…… ghetto sewing alert.
So, maybe I drank too much coffee today, but what we have here is two “toggle straps” and a surplus M14 mag pouch. Lol Attached File |
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Originally Posted By jharpphoto:
Looking for suggestions on how to carry a radio on the DZ rig? Hoping to avoid dedicating one of the rigs pouches to the radio. This doesn’t leave much real estate for the radio. There is the harness but not sure how the radio would fit on the harness. I’m sure some of you have recommendations for radio carry with the DZ rig or similar, right? View Quote I posted this when I first set my Diz rig up. I'm using an Ex Umbris pouch for my AR152. It is mounted on the back side of the rear most left hand mag pouch. When carried, I have a Disco32 flexible antenna that I weave through the back panel. |
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: @jharpphoto I posted this when I first set my Diz rig up. I'm using an Ex Umbris pouch for my AR152. It is mounted on the back side of the rear most left hand mag pouch. When carried, I have a Disco32 flexible antenna that I weave through the back panel. https://i.imgur.com/qbPUtRE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F5xDapB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/baiuOGH.jpg View Quote Thanks for sharing that link. Radio pouch looks good. Does the material have any flexibility? I'm concerned it is a little small for the brick of a radio I have (Harris XG-100P). |
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Interesting solution. You would have to have some sort of very flexible antenna to get it vertical, having a horizontal antenna, talking to vertical antennas does not work well at all.
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Originally Posted By jharpphoto: Thanks for sharing that link. Radio pouch looks good. Does the material have any flexibility? I'm concerned it is a little small for the brick of a radio I have (Harris XG-100P). View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: I would say no. It is a tight squeeze for the AR152. Have to really push to get it in the pouch, and I would like to put it in a zip lock bag or something to water proof it a little. I think I've got an extra I can send you to try out if you'd like. View Quote thanks so much for the generous offer to send a pouch out for me to try. I measured my radio against the Baofeng AR152 and the measurements are the same. I feel pretty confident the radio will fit the pouch. Thanks again sir. |
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: @jharpphoto I posted this when I first set my Diz rig up. I'm using an Ex Umbris pouch for my AR152. It is mounted on the back side of the rear most left hand mag pouch. When carried, I have a Disco32 flexible antenna that I weave through the back panel. https://i.imgur.com/qbPUtRE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F5xDapB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/baiuOGH.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Paulie771: Originally Posted By jharpphoto: Looking for suggestions on how to carry a radio on the DZ rig? Hoping to avoid dedicating one of the rigs pouches to the radio. This doesn’t leave much real estate for the radio. There is the harness but not sure how the radio would fit on the harness. I’m sure some of you have recommendations for radio carry with the DZ rig or similar, right? @jharpphoto I posted this when I first set my Diz rig up. I'm using an Ex Umbris pouch for my AR152. It is mounted on the back side of the rear most left hand mag pouch. When carried, I have a Disco32 flexible antenna that I weave through the back panel. https://i.imgur.com/qbPUtRE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F5xDapB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/baiuOGH.jpg I run my team radio (UV-5R) in a similar manner on my DZ rig. My AR-152 is on the side of my patrol pack for back to base comms. I'll try to get some pictures when I get a minute. |
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The red bungy is an interesting addition.
I bought a 3 pack of those belt pads. None of them were mesh and all three were different shapes and all three had different attachments for the belt. |
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I only had that red Bungee at home, i Will invest in some 3$ camo One. Tying pouches together Is of Paramount importance (on the inside non elastic cord Is good too)
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I think the dirty red bungie gives it a pretty unique look.
I'm not sure if it's that I actually like it, or if I'm waiting for you to post some bedazzled smocks next. |
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Jayjays style “bum roll” for the DZ rig.
Used a Molle II waist pack……. Can be had for like $12 from surplus shops. I did not modify it at all, just stowed the main straps in the built in pass through provided to stow them by design. So it can still be detached and used as a waist pack. I already had my attachment straps made, from attaching the molle II assault pack to my Eberlestock ruck. Mocked up at home, needs field testing, but feels good so far. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: Jayjays style “bum roll” for the DZ rig. Used a Molle II waist pack……. Can be had for like $12 from surplus shops. I did not modify it at all, just stowed the main straps in the built in pass through provided to stow them by design. So it can still be detached and used as a waist pack. I already had my attachment straps made, from attaching the molle II assault pack to my Eberlestock ruck. Mocked up at home, needs field testing, but feels good so far. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0309_jpeg-3330828.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0312_jpeg-3330829.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0310_jpeg-3330830.JPG View Quote There ya go. Perfect example of how to integrate the MOLLE buttpack as a bum / poncho roll. You can dye them super easy to a decentish OD or brownish color if you want to get rid of the ACU. There are still some woodland ones floating around too. And multicam. But the ACU ones are cheap. |
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: Jayjays style “bum roll” for the DZ rig. Used a Molle II waist pack……. Can be had for like $12 from surplus shops. I did not modify it at all, just stowed the main straps in the built in pass through provided to stow them by design. So it can still be detached and used as a waist pack. I already had my attachment straps made, from attaching the molle II assault pack to my Eberlestock ruck. Mocked up at home, needs field testing, but feels good so far. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0309_jpeg-3330828.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0312_jpeg-3330829.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0310_jpeg-3330830.JPG View Quote This is a great use of the tranny straps on the DZ rig. Are those the only straps attaching it, or is it secured to the yoke or somewhere else somehow? |
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Originally Posted By cap6888: This is a great use of the tranny straps on the DZ rig. Are those the only straps attaching it, or is it secured to the yoke or somewhere else somehow? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cap6888: Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: Jayjays style “bum roll” for the DZ rig. Used a Molle II waist pack……. Can be had for like $12 from surplus shops. I did not modify it at all, just stowed the main straps in the built in pass through provided to stow them by design. So it can still be detached and used as a waist pack. I already had my attachment straps made, from attaching the molle II assault pack to my Eberlestock ruck. Mocked up at home, needs field testing, but feels good so far. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0309_jpeg-3330828.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0312_jpeg-3330829.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0310_jpeg-3330830.JPG This is a great use of the tranny straps on the DZ rig. Are those the only straps attaching it, or is it secured to the yoke or somewhere else somehow? Just the two straps I showed, buckled into the DZ rig. Feels nice and secure. No movement jumping up and down. Eta; i cant remember if I made those straps or if they are left over from Alice upgrade kits from OV Innovations. Either way, simple little straps. https://ovinnovations.com/products/alice-buckle-kit |
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: Just the two straps I showed, buckled into the DZ rig. Feels nice and secure. No movement jumping up and down. Eta; i cant remember if I made those straps or if they are left over from Alice upgrade kits from OV Innovations. Either way, simple little straps. https://ovinnovations.com/products/alice-buckle-kit View Quote You could probably incorporate a little circle of shock cord in there to make it ride even better. So that you can slightly over-tighten it and make sure it stays perfectly snug. But seriously, whether you attach it to the tranny straps buckle or if you don't have a DZ Rip, you can rig up something similar to one of the D-Rings - the ones above the ammo pouches or whatever - to do the same on a set of PLCE or whatever. It's basically what I did with mine, but I used shock cord instead of webbing. Ran it to the rearmost of the D-rings over my ammo pouches (I have an 8 point harness vs. the 6 point on the DZ Rig) The bum roll / poncho roll is a LEGIT upgrade. Even if it's the MOLLE buttpacks being used. It acts like a mini-assault pack, letting you carry rain gear or whatever. |
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A case can always be made for a little snivel gear and a few extra rations. Those waist packs are darn roomy.
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: A case can always be made for a little snivel gear and a few extra rations. Those waist packs are darn roomy. View Quote And they mate well with packs, you can throw them under lids or cinch them down on the sides or between pockets or whatever on packs. Their shape lends well to that. They are pretty handy little things for the money. |
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My diz rig arrived. My use case is more hunting/camping/bushwacking, but I wanted to be able to have a modular system that could scale as I needed it, mostly because I wanted to tier my gear out. I know this topic has come up a few times in various threads, but this one seems to be the catch-all.
I wanted: Chest rig with immediate stuff, that can be used when I just want it, but can clip to the rest of my system when I want more pouches. A small bag - again to carry stuff like jackets, rain gear that can be easily detached and carried on its own, with the chest rig, or the full kit without excess bulk. Not fitting my hammock and quilts into this one, but as a mini pack, it’s panned out well. Belt kit with water, cooking, food stuffs, extra meds, radio, electronics, shelter. So far I’ve landed on a kifaru steelhead chest rig and “bane” backpack to clip onto the diz. I wasn’t happy with conventional “tactical” chest rigs didn’t have enough real estate for survival, hunting, and general woods items. I think the steelhead is a really nice blend of both. I wrapped a 1” buckle around some bungee and then looped it through the d ring upfront to act as a tie down for the bottom of the chest rig. I put 1” split buckles on the front of the diz rig harness so it clips in. The tranny straps I put into the bane and so it attaches down nicely. It has just 1” webbing for straps, so they actually disconnect and stuff into the pack nicely too. Haven’t had a chance to take pictures and upload, but will if someone wants to see how it all works. |
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Originally Posted By na1lb0hm: My diz rig arrived. My use case is more hunting/camping/bushwacking, but I wanted to be able to have a modular system that could scale as I needed it, mostly because I wanted to tier my gear out. I know this topic has come up a few times in various threads, but this one seems to be the catch-all. I wanted: Chest rig with immediate stuff, that can be used when I just want it, but can clip to the rest of my system when I want more pouches. A small bag - again to carry stuff like jackets, rain gear that can be easily detached and carried on its own, with the chest rig, or the full kit without excess bulk. Not fitting my hammock and quilts into this one, but as a mini pack, it’s panned out well. Belt kit with water, cooking, food stuffs, extra meds, radio, electronics, shelter. So far I’ve landed on a kifaru steelhead chest rig and “bane” backpack to clip onto the diz. I wasn’t happy with conventional “tactical” chest rigs didn’t have enough real estate for survival, hunting, and general woods items. I think the steelhead is a really nice blend of both. I wrapped a 1” buckle around some bungee and then looped it through the d ring upfront to act as a tie down for the bottom of the chest rig. I put 1” split buckles on the front of the diz rig harness so it clips in. The tranny straps I put into the bane and so it attaches down nicely. It has just 1” webbing for straps, so they actually disconnect and stuff into the pack nicely too. Haven’t had a chance to take pictures and upload, but will if someone wants to see how it all works. View Quote Any reason you went with the Kifaru over one of the HPG kitbag options? |
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Yea, belt kits, with or without the mag pouches, make a pretty good little 'minimalist' hiking rig. Carry water, emergency stuff, and some snacks. Maybe a rain jacket or something.
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: Any reason you went with the Kifaru over one of the HPG kitbag options? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: Originally Posted By na1lb0hm: My diz rig arrived. My use case is more hunting/camping/bushwacking, but I wanted to be able to have a modular system that could scale as I needed it, mostly because I wanted to tier my gear out. I know this topic has come up a few times in various threads, but this one seems to be the catch-all. I wanted: Chest rig with immediate stuff, that can be used when I just want it, but can clip to the rest of my system when I want more pouches. A small bag - again to carry stuff like jackets, rain gear that can be easily detached and carried on its own, with the chest rig, or the full kit without excess bulk. Not fitting my hammock and quilts into this one, but as a mini pack, it’s panned out well. Belt kit with water, cooking, food stuffs, extra meds, radio, electronics, shelter. So far I’ve landed on a kifaru steelhead chest rig and “bane” backpack to clip onto the diz. I wasn’t happy with conventional “tactical” chest rigs didn’t have enough real estate for survival, hunting, and general woods items. I think the steelhead is a really nice blend of both. I wrapped a 1” buckle around some bungee and then looped it through the d ring upfront to act as a tie down for the bottom of the chest rig. I put 1” split buckles on the front of the diz rig harness so it clips in. The tranny straps I put into the bane and so it attaches down nicely. It has just 1” webbing for straps, so they actually disconnect and stuff into the pack nicely too. Haven’t had a chance to take pictures and upload, but will if someone wants to see how it all works. Any reason you went with the Kifaru over one of the HPG kitbag options? Yup, Hill People Gear is pretty much the standard for that style chest rig. However, also the only one I have ever owned. So, I have nothing to compare it to, |
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I've got the HPG Gear one too. I like it. It's the only one I have to compare too.
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Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: Any reason you went with the Kifaru over one of the HPG kitbag options? View Quote A few factors once I think about it. The 1” buckles primarily. I have a pile of them and wanted to jerry rig things around and mix and match stuff. I also liked the size and depth of the steelhead. Brand loyalty, no matter how misplaced may have factored in too. I have a shape charge that I absolutely love. No knocks against hpg, I just had no experience with them. …And the kifaru was on clearance, in multicam, along with the bane. Dealing in the Canadian ruble puts a damper on shopping. |
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Originally Posted By na1lb0hm: A few factors once I think about it. The 1” buckles primarily. I have a pile of them and wanted to jerry rig things around and mix and match stuff. I also liked the size and depth of the steelhead. Brand loyalty, no matter how misplaced may have factored in too. I have a shape charge that I absolutely love. No knocks against hpg, I just had no experience with them. …And the kifaru was on clearance, in multicam, along with the bane. Dealing in the Canadian ruble puts a damper on shopping. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By na1lb0hm: Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: Any reason you went with the Kifaru over one of the HPG kitbag options? A few factors once I think about it. The 1” buckles primarily. I have a pile of them and wanted to jerry rig things around and mix and match stuff. I also liked the size and depth of the steelhead. Brand loyalty, no matter how misplaced may have factored in too. I have a shape charge that I absolutely love. No knocks against hpg, I just had no experience with them. …And the kifaru was on clearance, in multicam, along with the bane. Dealing in the Canadian ruble puts a damper on shopping. I am currently reorganizing gear for winter, and once again convincing myself that there is some magic item I am missing. Kifaru Doobie or HPG serape. Both great companies. Luckily they are pretty pricey, so I am holding off until I make up my mind. The old USMC “poncho liner” is getting wore out. |
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: I am currently reorganizing gear for winter, and once again convincing myself that there is some magic item I am missing. Kifaru Doobie or HPG serape. Both great companies. Luckily they are pretty pricey, so I am holding off until I make up my mind. The old USMC “poncho liner” is getting wore out. View Quote I have one of the Kifaru woobie's that they used to make with the hood and such similarish to the HPG one. I also have a Kifaru sleeping bag. And a HPG Serape. If I had to choose between the Doobie and Serape, I'd take the Serape. It's just more multi-purpose than the Doobie. I like the fabric that the Kifaru ones use better, but the HPG isn't bad, and it just does more. |
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Regarsing the waist packs i hadnt still tried to rig One to the dz Rig, i would probably add atleast another point of contact around the middle. Dragon supplies bum Rolls have 3 point of contact, jayjays has 6.
I also found that those guys make Aftermarket molle waist packs in other colors (Tiger stripe and Ranger green for dz rig owners). https://thunderheadoutfitters.com/thunderhead-waist-pack/ |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Yea, belt kits, with or without the mag pouches, make a pretty good little 'minimalist' hiking rig. Carry water, emergency stuff, and some snacks. Maybe a rain jacket or something. View Quote My default desert hiking rig was a Brit P58 set. The ammo pouches hold Nalgene bottles perfectly, and there's plenty of room for gear for a day hike. Also room for a holster, and my upper body was free to ventilate. |
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Originally Posted By joeviterbo:
Regarsing the waist packs i hadnt still tried to rig One to the dz Rig, i would probably add atleast another point of contact around the middle. Dragon supplies bum Rolls have 3 point of contact, jayjays has 6. I also found that those guys make Aftermarket molle waist packs in other colors (Tiger stripe and Ranger green for dz rig owners). https://thunderheadoutfitters.com/thunderhead-waist-pack/ View Quote |
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Got my Crossfire CF1 in the mail today, and took the LTAS baguette off it, and put it on the DZ harness. Dyed the UCP waist pack with a random amount of apple green, dark brown and dark green left over from other projects.
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That seems to work out pretty well. The setup and the dye job.
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: Got my Crossfire CF1 in the mail today, and took the LTAS baguette off it, and put it on the DZ harness. Dyed the UCP waist pack with a random amount of apple green, dark brown and dark green left over from other projects. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/IMG_0319_jpeg-3332454.JPG View Quote I like it |
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Damn that looks pretty good!
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It's all about the fiddle factor.
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They have belt kits on temu for 30-50$. I wonder how terrible they are…
Looks like a yakeda brand Smersh rig. |
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Interesting video from a new YouTube channel about ways to improve patrolling with thermal drones in the area.
He REALLY impressed me when I noticed that he was patrolling in a Crossfire DZ rig and pack. https://youtu.be/YRofR6tABPQ?si=NqfWc9I3jfA2lwVe |
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Yeah that was some good info, and for sure I liked his kit as well.
One person commented about the Chinese, with a horde of drones, vs just a few on surveillance duties. So for sure, it's just gonna depend. No easy answers here. But your field craft definitely becomes crucial. Again. |
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Originally Posted By wsix: That seems to work out pretty well. The setup and the dye job. View Quote Can confirm the baguette set up that way works out very well. Still allows the use of my CF1 with no issues as well. Very easy set up and adds some versatility to the DZ rig. Very seriously considering attempting to dye some multicam gear and the first one might be the MC waist pack I have. If I can get it close to MC tropic, as I've seen using a mix of RIT green and brown, I'll very pleased. |
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Hmmmm. That's a very good idea. MC tropic is expensive and hard to get. Although the collectors are probably having vapors at the thought.
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Originally Posted By Diz: Hmmmm. That's a very good idea. MC tropic is expensive and hard to get. Although the collectors are probably having vapors at the thought. View Quote Perhaps. They'll be ok. Lol. Here's the video w/ the ratios that gave me the idea. The "green pea" color is what I'm going for I think. I'm not sure how the regular Rit dye does on nylon so might try some small pieces like grenade pouches first. Will also try some of the Rit More Synthetic dye that appears to be more suited to this application: Rit Dye Multicam (Green Apple and Snow Pea), and Rit Dye MARPAT Desert (Snow Pea) DIY Tropical Camo |
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Drunk ordered a DZ rig last night as a late bday present. Surprised there's no dedicated thread to these. Fell way behind on this thread but browsing it and watching some vids it looks outstanding.
Only reserve I have was I'm the dreaded in between size. 36.5" and going into winter so did the l/xl. When I cut in the spring it might be an issue but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. |
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Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Drunk ordered a DZ rig last night as a late bday present. Surprised there's no dedicated thread to these. Fell way behind on this thread but browsing it and watching some vids it looks outstanding. Only reserve I have was I'm the dreaded in between size. 36.5" and going into winter so did the l/xl. When I cut in the spring it might be an issue but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. View Quote If you have a 32”ish+ pant size, I dont think the L/XL is a problem at all……. And you get the larger rear pouch. I have let other guys wear my L/XL, that got the smaller size, and they kind of wish they went bigger for that big rear pouch. |
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: If you have a 32”ish+ pant size, I dont think the L/XL is a problem at all……. And you get the larger rear pouch. I have let other guys wear my L/XL, that got the smaller size, and they kind of wish they went bigger for that big rear pouch. View Quote Excellent. I've gotten a complex cause it seems like everything is oversized now days. I don't mind if in the summer the pouches wrap a little further around as long as there's adjustment to get the belt snug. You were the one using the velocity harness? I have a TT fight light yoke that I'll rig up for wearing under a carrier or heavier pack. |
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Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Excellent. I've gotten a complex cause it seems like everything is oversized now days. I don't mind if in the summer the pouches wrap a little further around as long as there's adjustment to get the belt snug. You were the one using the velocity harness? I have a TT fight light yoke that I'll rig up for wearing under a carrier or heavier pack. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: If you have a 32”ish+ pant size, I dont think the L/XL is a problem at all……. And you get the larger rear pouch. I have let other guys wear my L/XL, that got the smaller size, and they kind of wish they went bigger for that big rear pouch. Excellent. I've gotten a complex cause it seems like everything is oversized now days. I don't mind if in the summer the pouches wrap a little further around as long as there's adjustment to get the belt snug. You were the one using the velocity harness? I have a TT fight light yoke that I'll rig up for wearing under a carrier or heavier pack. That was someone else changing the harness. I have only used the supplied harness. |
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Someone posted this in another thread. Ukrainian troops. Specifically note the belt kit on the guy on the left. Specifically the mag pouches - covered mag pouches, with 2 x quick-access magazines tucked in behind the covered pouch. I'd like to see something along the lines of a ESSTAC KWYI mag pouch set up like that behind a double mag pouch with lid for belt kit. Maybe have it have a 2nd kydex structure around the KWYI insert, so that it always holds it's shape, even after a mag has been pulled out, so that the outer mag pouches won't sag and flop around. Even if done for just one magazine - maybe tucked in behind the rearmost mag pouch on your weak side (the pouch I run my IFAK in) then you would still have access to one quick-access magazine, it would be relatively protected from snagging in that spot, and would give you an extra magazine while you are using up the main pouch for your IFAK. https://p1gtac.com/image/cache/catalog/gallery/gal002-1000x666.png View Quote @marnsdorff That's one I tried: It works pretty well, but you can't really exceed two mags in the outer flap pouches as it starts to stick out too far and gets unbalanced. The ESSTAC pouches are rigid enough to link the flapped mag pouch to the hippo belt. It's nice having those quick access mags running some drills, but still protecting some mags for low crawling in the vines and grass. It worked so well I put a spare mag ESSTAC on my strong side for my pistol. It also helps to push the pistol out a bit. ROCK6 |
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