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ARmory04

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Posted: 10/6/2024 2:23:12 PM EST

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Originally Posted By GreenMushroom:
Drunk ordered a DZ rig last night as a late bday present

. Surprised there's no dedicated thread to these. Fell way behind on this thread but browsing it and watching some vids it looks outstanding.

Only reserve I have was I'm the dreaded in between size

. 36.5" and going into winter so did the l/xl. When I cut in the spring it might be an issue but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

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You won't regret it

. What camo did you get?

I'm 6'1 at 240, I think you'll be fine with the L/XL. It's what I got in M81. Wish I had the funds for the Vietnam tiger stripe.

Do you even OODA loop?

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Posted: 10/6/2024 3:50:55 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:

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That's one I tried:

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It works pretty well, but you can't really exceed two mags in the outer flap pouches as it starts to stick out too far and gets unbalanced. The ESSTAC pouches are rigid enough to link the flapped mag pouch to the hippo belt. It's nice having those quick access mags running some drills, but still protecting some mags for low crawling in the vines and grass.

It worked so well I put a spare mag ESSTAC on my strong side for my pistol. It also helps to push the pistol out a bit.

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Safariland holster? How'd you attach it to the ESSTAC pouch? Stability of the holster / draw? Think it will work with a slight drop adapter? And do you think it will work with a double pistol mag pouch instead of rifle mag pouch?

One of my next projects is trying to implement a safariland holster with my belt kit.

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2190 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/6/2024 3:52:06 PM EST [#3] Quote History Originally Posted By ARmory04: You won't regret it . What camo did you get? I'm 6'1 at 240, I think you'll be fine with the L/XL. It's what I got in M81. Wish I had the funds for the Vietnam tiger stripe. View Quote Yea, there is a bit of an overlap with sizes. Which is good.

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2191 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/6/2024 3:53:53 PM EST [#4] Safariland holster? How''d you attach it to the ESSTAC pouch? Stability of the holster / draw? Think it will work with a slight drop adapter? And do you think it will work with a double pistol mag pouch instead of rifle mag pouch?One of my next projects is trying to implement a safariland holster with my belt kit.

GreenMushroom What the hell is an EE Joined Sep 2020 Posts 3991 EE 100% (8) WA, USA	Posted: 10/6/2024 4:40:30 PM EST [#5] Quote History Originally Posted By ARmory04: You won't regret it . What camo did you get? I'm 6'1 at 240, I think you'll be fine with the L/XL. It's what I got in M81. Wish I had the funds for the Vietnam tiger stripe. View Quote Ranger. I have a ranger TT adapt pack that should work with it.

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Posted: 10/6/2024 5:21:55 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:

@marnsdorff
That's one I tried:

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It works pretty well, but you can't really exceed two mags in the outer flap pouches as it starts to stick out too far and gets unbalanced. The ESSTAC pouches are rigid enough to link the flapped mag pouch to the hippo belt. It's nice having those quick access mags running some drills, but still protecting some mags for low crawling in the vines and grass.

It worked so well I put a spare mag ESSTAC on my strong side for my pistol. It also helps to push the pistol out a bit.

ROCK6

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@Rock6

Apologies if you’ve already done this, but could you list your left/right side pouches and how you stacked them?

I have one quick draw rifle mag with a double pistol pouch at the front left of my belt kit, but it seems like you have more mags overall, including a few more QD ones.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 11:55:44 AM EST

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Originally Posted By marnsdorff:
Safariland holster? How''d you attach it to the ESSTAC pouch? Stability of the holster / draw? Think it will work with a slight drop adapter? And do you think it will work with a double pistol mag pouch instead of rifle mag pouch?One of my next projects is trying to implement a safariland holster with my belt kit.

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The tall Kywi pouches with MOLLE on the outside work really well and have proven pretty stable with me rolling around on the ground (not always on purpose

).

Oh, it's the standard Safariland MOLLE adapter...

Same with the Safariland holster. I'm torn on trying to drop it too much and as is, it isn't a speed draw rig. It is secure and tucked pretty well with enough standoff to integrate with the canteen pouch. I haven't tried this with my Diz rig (yet), but assume the same conclusion of not doing more than two mags in the flapped pouches.

The ESSTAC Kywis are more stable with a mag inserted, but they will aren't too bad when empty, but would prefer to even keep an empty mag in there for more rigidity.

This is my hybrid rig, JayJays hippo belt and six-point MOLLE yoke, Velocity systems Jungle pouches, a few tall, ESSTAC Kywi pouches with external MOLLE and a Nixiworks buttpack I'm playing with:

Hope that answers the mail....still no power and getting by at the ROCK6 Apocalypse Ranch

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cap6888 Joined Oct 2009 Posts 2811 EE 100% (22) MD, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 12:29:44 PM EST [#8] Would an ITW Fastmag pouch offer a more stable platform for the holster? Just thinking out loud.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 12:31:31 PM EST

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Originally Posted By towerofpower94:
@Rock6

Apologies if you’ve already done this, but could you list your left/right side pouches and how you stacked them?

I have one quick draw rifle mag with a double pistol pouch at the front left of my belt kit, but it seems like you have more mags overall, including a few more QD ones.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/IMG_5068_jpeg-3342369.JPG

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No problem! General description above.

Left side has a double ESSTAC, tall Kywi with MOLLE. Being a double Kywi gives it a little more stability. On top of those are two Velocity Systems Jungle mag pouches, the closest to the front has some random double flapped pistol mag pouches.

I actually think a double Diz or JayJays mag pouch (one piece) would add more stability and I may upgrade later.

Behind that is the VS general purpose pouch for canteen kit.

Right side starts of with a flapped mutiltool/mag pouch...no idea of the make? ATS FAK pouch, followed by a single ESSTAC, tall MOLLE pouch. Attached to that is the Safariland MOLLE adapter for their holsters (this one is for a P365 with WML or optic). Behind that is another VS GP pouch canteen kit.

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Ex_Sanguine_Nation Joined Jun 2001 Posts 5539 EE 100% (88) MI, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 12:39:34 PM EST [#10] Quote History Originally Posted By cap6888: Would an ITW Fastmag pouch offer a more stable platform for the holster? Just thinking out loud. View Quote I don't think the QLS fork would fir through the ITW's slots.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 12:43:11 PM EST

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Originally Posted By cap6888:
Would an ITW Fastmag pouch offer a more stable platform for the holster? Just thinking out loud.

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I didn't take my tall Kywi off, but it has three rows of MOLLE, and is a hair over 5" tall. The low and mid Kywi and the ITW are just double rows. It could work and definitely more rigid, the Safariland MOLLE adapter only needs two rows. I just prefer then extra coverage of the mag for this purpose...but the ITW Fastmag could definitely work.

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ROCK6 Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts 12952 EE 100% (5) GA, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 12:45:25 PM EST [Last Edit: ROCK6] [#12] Quote History Originally Posted By Ex_Sanguine_Nation: I don't think the QLS fork would fir through the ITW's slots. View Quote I'm too lazy to try, but that could be an issue. One thing for certain is the holster or waist will likely detach before the Kywi MOLLE tears off ROCK6
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Posted: 10/7/2024 1:01:55 PM EST

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Is this gay? Has anyone else run a fanny back over their kit belt? This is one I'm trying out with my Diz Rig. I have a few other varieties, but you have to dick around a little with attachment options. I wanted something I could quickly detach and use independently.

To be honest, I haven't loaded it up and humped it with the Diz yet. If not overloaded, it isn't in the way. Thinking of FAK or E&E kit.

The Diz rig has those odd female side release clips near the front that are perfect for this addition...BTW Diz, WTF are those for anyways?

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WillieTangoFox Lil’ Sus Joined Apr 2007 Posts 15601 EE 99% (96) MO, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 2:05:12 PM EST [Last Edit: WillieTangoFox] [#14] Your DZ rig should have comes with two little straps for those buckles. They integrate with the Crossfire pack frames, so the DZ rig can act as the load support belt. You can then remove the outer belt portions of the pack belt…., and only have one belt to fuss with.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 2:11:22 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:
Is this gay? Has anyone else run a fanny back over their kit belt? This is one I'm trying out with my Diz Rig. I have a few other varieties, but you have to dick around a little with attachment options. I wanted something I could quickly detach and use independently.

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Not at all. SOP for our LRS unit was a SERE kit in a fanny pack. We wore it with an ALICE LBV w/belt. I tossed mine after not using it and the zippers freezing up. What is gay is that I think mine was a "jansport" brand.

last_crusader Joined Mar 2012 Posts 921 EE 100% (27) GA, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 3:39:09 PM EST [#16] Gay. If you have to run with it, it flops around and bangs into your _insert anatomy_. Static range/patrolling is just fine. It's like the abdomen pouch everyone wants hanging below their PC. Great idea until you put weight into it.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 3:52:19 PM EST

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Originally Posted By wsix:
What is gay is that I think mine was a "jansport" brand.

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There are many pics of soldiers serving early GWOT with jansport packs

We didn't have a SOP, but many of us dusted off the fanny packs we had as Kids. Jansport isn't a thing in Italy, Eastpak Is.
There was a recurring joke i don't remember about these packs being bulletproof or a lucky charm.

I think it's Mike McMillan that made the fanny pack a piece of tactical Gear for the 21st century.

I think rock6 setup Is good, i think It would be Quick to unfasten One buckle and reattach It from behind to let It rest over the back pouches out of the way.

It has been many years and i only saw It once but i remember our navy special forces wearing flotation harnesses (so belt kits) and carrying concealed pistol fanny pack (with pistols inside) worn back to front. They could even do quick weapons transition starting from that position.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 3:57:18 PM EST

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Originally Posted By last_crusader:
Gay.

If you have to run with it, it flops around and bangs into your _insert anatomy_. Static range/patrolling is just fine.

It's like the abdomen pouch everyone wants hanging below their PC. Great idea until you put weight into it.

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You have to find the right size fanny pack with the right belt to minimize the problem.

I am with you on the danger pouch, but it's a necessary evil sometimes as It Is placed in the most accessible place on the body.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 5:04:44 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:

The tall Kywi pouches with MOLLE on the outside work really well and have proven pretty stable with me rolling around on the ground (not always on purpose

).

Oh, it's the standard Safariland MOLLE adapter...

Same with the Safariland holster. I'm torn on trying to drop it too much and as is, it isn't a speed draw rig. It is secure and tucked pretty well with enough standoff to integrate with the canteen pouch. I haven't tried this with my Diz rig (yet), but assume the same conclusion of not doing more than two mags in the flapped pouches.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_130027-3342984.jpg
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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_130320-3342989.jpg

The ESSTAC Kywis are more stable with a mag inserted, but they will aren't too bad when empty, but would prefer to even keep an empty mag in there for more rigidity.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_131409-3343007.jpg

This is my hybrid rig, JayJays hippo belt and six-point MOLLE yoke, Velocity systems Jungle pouches, a few tall, ESSTAC Kywi pouches with external MOLLE and a Nixiworks buttpack I'm playing with:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_130604-3343002.jpg

Hope that answers the mail....still no power and getting by at the ROCK6 Apocalypse Ranch

ROCK6

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Thanks much.

cap6888 Joined Oct 2009 Posts 2812 EE 100% (22) MD, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 7:22:06 PM EST [#20] @ROCK6 Somewhere back in this thread there’s a link to a video from a YouTube channel Lightfighters Anonymous. He uses those “tranny strap buckles” to attach his fanny pack to his DZ rig. Seems like it works well.

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2197 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 9:26:31 PM EST [#21] Quote History Originally Posted By ROCK6: Hope that answers the mail....still no power and getting by at the ROCK6 Apocalypse Ranch ROCK6 View Quote Just got my power back tonight. This apocalypse sucked. Still no zombies. Maybe 3rd time will be the charm?

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2198 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 9:28:17 PM EST [#22] Quote History Originally Posted By ROCK6: I actually think a double Diz or JayJays mag pouch (one piece) would add more stability and I may upgrade later. ROCK6 View Quote Good idea. I agree that it might work better.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 9:33:05 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:
Is this gay? Has anyone else run a fanny back over their kit belt? This is one I'm trying out with my Diz Rig. I have a few other varieties, but you have to dick around a little with attachment options. I wanted something I could quickly detach and use independently.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_135531-3343037.jpg
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_135545-3343039.jpg
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_135558-3343040.jpg

To be honest, I haven't loaded it up and humped it with the Diz yet. If not overloaded, it isn't in the way. Thinking of FAK or E&E kit.

The Diz rig has those odd female side release clips near the front that are perfect for this addition...BTW Diz, WTF are those for anyways?

ROCK6

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I haven't actually used it, but I have that down on the list to try. I've seen others use it.

As to the 'it flops around too much' - don't use a huge one. Get a small, minimalist one. They don't flop around hardly at all if they are small and well designed. If it's so big, it's hitting your nuts, you have the wrong fanny pack.

WillieTangoFox Lil’ Sus Joined Apr 2007 Posts 15610 EE 99% (96) MO, USA	Posted: 10/7/2024 9:44:23 PM EST [#24] Arbor Arms call them nut rucks. Lol. The front fanny, whatever you wanna call it, can be handy. When it is not handy, it can go back in the pack. If I am land naving at night and need some extra trinkets and gizmos for marking……. Having a little sack right in front is nice. Just one example.

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Posted: 10/7/2024 9:46:26 PM EST

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Originally Posted By cap6888:
@ROCK6

Somewhere back in this thread there’s a link to a video from a YouTube channel Lightfighters Anonymous. He uses those “tranny strap buckles” to attach his fanny pack to his DZ rig. Seems like it works well.

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He is….. around here somewhere. He logs in about once every 10 years and never looks at “@“ mention notifications. Lol. Also, not sure if he want me to call him out by username. I”ll ask him.

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Posted: 10/8/2024 10:31:19 AM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:
Is this gay? Has anyone else run a fanny back over their kit belt? This is one I'm trying out with my Diz Rig. I have a few other varieties, but you have to dick around a little with attachment options. I wanted something I could quickly detach and use independently.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_135531-3343037.jpg
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_135545-3343039.jpg
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/2353/20241007_135558-3343040.jpg

To be honest, I haven't loaded it up and humped it with the Diz yet. If not overloaded, it isn't in the way. Thinking of FAK or E&E kit.

The Diz rig has those odd female side release clips near the front that are perfect for this addition...BTW Diz, WTF are those for anyways?

ROCK6

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Not at all. I've been trying to find one in M81 at a reasonable price point.

Do you even OODA loop?

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2201 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/8/2024 11:28:08 AM EST [#27] Quote History Originally Posted By ARmory04: Not at all. I've been trying to find one in M81 at a reasonable price point. View Quote Check out the Helikon ones.

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Posted: 10/8/2024 12:31:29 PM EST

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UCP GI Mag-Carriers (I refuse to mis-spell the "Bandoleer" term, nor to mis-apply it) widely available in UCP for cheap and easily dye-able.

Probably UCP items, properly dyed, may be "preferable" to M-81 camo mag carriers, since brown or green color can be chosen, and no black colors appear. I am given to understand that "black" colors are problematic when viewed with some NV devices.

"Trick" is to dye the UCP items so as to NOT "over-dye" them and by "over-dying" them reduce/eliminate Full pixelation of the original camo. Sometimes, "Less is More".

"Desert" camo mag carriers were not produced in great quantity, and so, if in excellent condition, potentially "collector's" items. Suggest not messing with them.

If you have some "well-used but serviceable" Desert camo items, Rit Taupe dye will turn them into Coyote Brown with some darker brown splotches displayed.

cap6888 Joined Oct 2009 Posts 2814 EE 100% (22) MD, USA	Posted: 10/8/2024 2:24:03 PM EST [#29] Quote History Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: He is….. around here somewhere. He logs in about once every 10 years and never looks at “@“ mention notifications. Lol. Also, not sure if he want me to call him out by username. I”ll ask him. View Quote LOL. Tell him I dig his videos.

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Seeing the pictures made me have to try it. I like it a lot actually, and it would be better if I had better quality mag pouches to stack on the Esstac. I also have a molle adapter for a QLS plate so I can mount a holster on the other side. ETA: Looking at pics I realize I should maybe try moving them up a row of Molle.

I'm considering ditching the IFAK on the belt altogether and going to an IFAK in a fanny pack too. I made the mistake of buying multiple IFAK pouches and then trying to put one on every piece of kit. PC, battle belt, now this. I'm trying to sell the pouches I have and get away from that.

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Yeah that is "A" way of doing it. You may recall "Max Velocity", up in W VA was experimenting with this set up a few years back. It worked but he eventually switched over to a JJ's rig.

If you do go this route, I would also try a double mag pouch there instead of the triple. We have some coming out (soon I hope) and there are many others as well. Even a GI double mag pouch with the velcro top flap would get er done. This would get you back down to 3 mags per station.

OBTW, those funky little female buckles are the "tranny straps" to attach your rucksack directly to the belt kit; sort of a lower stab strap, as it were. You just remove side pads from any CF ruck and install 1 1/2" web tabs into the 1 1/2" metal loops on the ruck.

But.

As many of you have noticed, they work for other stuff. Like fanny/nutsack pouches. And even "bumrolls" around back for gillies/windshirts, etc. If this continues, might have to take the sewn fold out of them so you jokers can do whatcha want with them. Might have to change the name to "Bi" straps, since they can work, either way.

It's all about the fiddle factor.

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Posted: 10/11/2024 9:22:40 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Diz:
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As many of you have noticed, they work for other stuff. Like fanny/nutsack pouches. And even "bumrolls" around back for gillies/windshirts, etc. If this continues, might have to take the sewn fold out of them so you jokers can do whatcha want with them. Might have to change the name to "Bi" straps, since they can work, either way.

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Naw. Keep them as tranny straps. Because you can change it, whichever way you are feeling at that moment.

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Originally Posted By Diz:
Yeah that is "A" way of doing it. You may recall "Max Velocity", up in W VA was experimenting with this set up a few years back. It worked but he eventually switched over to a JJ's rig.

If you do go this route, I would also try a double mag pouch there instead of the triple. We have some coming out (soon I hope) and there are many others as well. Even a GI double mag pouch with the velcro top flap would get er done. This would get you back down to 3 mags per station.

OBTW, those funky little female buckles are the "tranny straps" to attach your rucksack directly to the belt kit; sort of a lower stab strap, as it were. You just remove side pads from any CF ruck and install 1 1/2" web tabs into the 1 1/2" metal loops on the ruck.

But.

As many of you have noticed, they work for other stuff. Like fanny/nutsack pouches. And even "bumrolls" around back for gillies/windshirts, etc. If this continues, might have to take the sewn fold out of them so you jokers can do whatcha want with them. Might have to change the name to "Bi" straps, since they can work, either way.

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I will keep an eye and ear out for you double double mag pouches! As long as the triple mag pouches have cinches, it's not too bad.

I must have missed the crossfire pack integration for the buckles, thanks for that! Tranny, Bi, whatever they identify as, those are well placed for a nut sack and may experiment with a bumb roll!

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Posted: 10/12/2024 3:45:15 PM EST

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I read this entire thread as a part of my deep dive on the belt kit/webbing vs. chest rig dilemma, potentially the first time I've ever read something so long, detailed, and informative in a public forum (usually it goes off the rails), so bravo to everyone who's posted here.

And bravo on the DZ Rig - I've been around just long enough to have been issued and worn ALICE at my first duty station, and of course spent years with various armor/chest rig/MOLLE setups - I can't recall a more comfortable way of carrying stuff.

I wanted to post a couple of pics answering some questions I was curious about prior to purchasing it. I don't actually plan on doing any of these things, but figured this might be useful to someone:

First, yes, the sustainment pouches will fit a 12oz Nalgene flask in addition to a regular 1L Nalgene bottle:

Second, yes, a 1L Nalgene will fit, albeit very snug, in the magazine pouch, though it will prevent the tuck tab from engaging:

Finally, the sustainment pouches can fit 6 PMAGs (each) for when your LARP leader says "drop everything except weapons and ammo":

wsix Joined Nov 2005 Posts 4083 EE 100% (8) AK, USA	Posted: 10/12/2024 3:58:35 PM EST [#35] Congrats on your new rig and welcome to the technical forums.

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Posted: 10/12/2024 4:31:09 PM EST

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Originally Posted By DaorYebba:
I read this entire thread as a part of my deep dive on the belt kit/webbing vs. chest rig dilemma, potentially the first time I've ever read something so long, detailed, and informative in a public forum (usually it goes off the rails), so bravo to everyone who's posted here.

And bravo on the DZ Rig - I've been around just long enough to have been issued and worn ALICE at my first duty station, and of course spent years with various armor/chest rig/MOLLE setups - I can't recall a more comfortable way of carrying stuff.

I wanted to post a couple of pics answering some questions I was curious about prior to purchasing it. I don't actually plan on doing any of these things, but figured this might be useful to someone:

First, yes, the sustainment pouches will fit a 12oz Nalgene flask in addition to a regular 1L Nalgene bottle:

https://i.postimg.cc/1nBMjRbX/IMG-3149.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SJBLVzjV/IMG-3150.jpg

Second, yes, a 1L Nalgene will fit, albeit very snug, in the magazine pouch, though it will prevent the tuck tab from engaging:

https://i.postimg.cc/qtL8kbwZ/IMG-3148.jpg

Finally, the sustainment pouches can fit 6 PMAGs (each) for when your LARP leader says "drop everything except weapons and ammo":

https://i.postimg.cc/7JC7nxkp/IMG-3147.jpg

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Yea, welcome man. Stick around if you want.

And interesting about the flask. I like those little flasks. They are good for winter use, keeping one inside your smock or jacket or whatever so that it won't freeze.

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Posted: 10/12/2024 5:09:53 PM EST

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Originally Posted By marnsdorff:

Yea, welcome man. Stick around if you want.

And interesting about the flask. I like those little flasks. They are good for winter use, keeping one inside your smock or jacket or whatever so that it won't freeze.

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Using whiskey rations to keep your water from freezing… a bit extreme but I’m ok with it. Like back in the day when it was used to sanitize water rations.

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2239 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/12/2024 6:48:30 PM EST [#38] Quote History Originally Posted By hodgescl: Using whiskey rations to keep your water from freezing… a bit extreme but I’m ok with it. Like back in the day when it was used to sanitize water rations. View Quote Wait. You take water?

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Posted: 10/12/2024 7:14:07 PM EST

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Originally Posted By DaorYebba:
I read this entire thread as a part of my deep dive on the belt kit/webbing vs. chest rig dilemma, potentially the first time I've ever read something so long, detailed, and informative in a public forum (usually it goes off the rails), so bravo to everyone who's posted here.

And bravo on the DZ Rig - I've been around just long enough to have been issued and worn ALICE at my first duty station, and of course spent years with various armor/chest rig/MOLLE setups - I can't recall a more comfortable way of carrying stuff.

I wanted to post a couple of pics answering some questions I was curious about prior to purchasing it. I don't actually plan on doing any of these things, but figured this might be useful to someone:

First, yes, the sustainment pouches will fit a 12oz Nalgene flask in addition to a regular 1L Nalgene bottle:

https://i.postimg.cc/1nBMjRbX/IMG-3149.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/SJBLVzjV/IMG-3150.jpg

Second, yes, a 1L Nalgene will fit, albeit very snug, in the magazine pouch, though it will prevent the tuck tab from engaging:

https://i.postimg.cc/qtL8kbwZ/IMG-3148.jpg

Finally, the sustainment pouches can fit 6 PMAGs (each) for when your LARP leader says "drop everything except weapons and ammo":

https://i.postimg.cc/7JC7nxkp/IMG-3147.jpg

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Mine gets here Monday

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2243 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/12/2024 11:26:29 PM EST [#40] Kitmonster has a short video explaining how the Bum Roll / Poncho Roll attaches to a set of belt kit. It's a pretty solid short video. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=899621238238995

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Posted: 10/12/2024 11:44:56 PM EST

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Originally Posted By last_crusader:
Gay.

If you have to run with it, it flops around and bangs into your _insert anatomy_. Static range/patrolling is just fine.

It's like the abdomen pouch everyone wants hanging below their PC. Great idea until you put weight into it.

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I run 6-8 miles 1-2 times a week with a g19 in my hpg fanny pack. Works great

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Posted: 10/12/2024 11:48:29 PM EST

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Originally Posted By marnsdorff:

Safariland holster? How'd you attach it to the ESSTAC pouch? Stability of the holster / draw? Think it will work with a slight drop adapter? And do you think it will work with a double pistol mag pouch instead of rifle mag pouch?

One of my next projects is trying to implement a safariland holster with my belt kit.

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:

@marnsdorff
That's one I tried:

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It works pretty well, but you can't really exceed two mags in the outer flap pouches as it starts to stick out too far and gets unbalanced. The ESSTAC pouches are rigid enough to link the flapped mag pouch to the hippo belt. It's nice having those quick access mags running some drills, but still protecting some mags for low crawling in the vines and grass.

It worked so well I put a spare mag ESSTAC on my strong side for my pistol. It also helps to push the pistol out a bit.

ROCK6

Safariland holster? How'd you attach it to the ESSTAC pouch? Stability of the holster / draw? Think it will work with a slight drop adapter? And do you think it will work with a double pistol mag pouch instead of rifle mag pouch?

One of my next projects is trying to implement a safariland holster with my belt kit.

Have you tried just using your pants belt and a little drop on the holster?

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Posted: 10/13/2024 5:46:40 PM EST

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Originally Posted By 03RN:

Have you tried just using your pants belt and a little drop on the holster?

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I have, and while it works fine standing up, once you go prone and roll around like a grunt idiot, it really gets in the way. The only thing I have on an extended pants/rigger's belt is my fixed blade knife, the pistol just turned out to be too much.

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Posted: 10/13/2024 7:10:17 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ROCK6:

I have, and while it works fine standing up, once you go prone and roll around like a grunt idiot, it really gets in the way. The only thing I have on an extended pants/rigger's belt is my fixed blade knife, the pistol just turned out to be too much.

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How do you run your knife? Which knife? I'm still trying to figure out my knife situation.

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Posted: 10/14/2024 8:29:14 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Diz:
Yeah that is "A" way of doing it. You may recall "Max Velocity", up in W VA was experimenting with this set up a few years back. It worked but he eventually switched over to a JJ's rig.

If you do go this route, I would also try a double mag pouch there instead of the triple. We have some coming out (soon I hope) and there are many others as well. Even a GI double mag pouch with the velcro top flap would get er done. This would get you back down to 3 mags per station.

OBTW, those funky little female buckles are the "tranny straps" to attach your rucksack directly to the belt kit; sort of a lower stab strap, as it were. You just remove side pads from any CF ruck and install 1 1/2" web tabs into the 1 1/2" metal loops on the ruck.

But.

As many of you have noticed, they work for other stuff. Like fanny/nutsack pouches. And even "bumrolls" around back for gillies/windshirts, etc. If this continues, might have to take the sewn fold out of them so you jokers can do whatcha want with them. Might have to change the name to "Bi" straps, since they can work, either way.

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Yeah double mag pouches would be better, especially since these are kind of oversized for 3x to begin with. I have some of the GI double mag pouches but 2x pmags fit really big in them. I don't know if I'm going to actually keep it this way or not.

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last_crusader Joined Mar 2012 Posts 929 EE 100% (27) GA, USA	Posted: 10/14/2024 3:37:18 PM EST [#46] @rock6 Knife on a drop sheath?

marnsdorff Joined Mar 2008 Posts 2262 EE 100% (14) NC, USA	Posted: 10/14/2024 4:53:23 PM EST [#47] Quote History Originally Posted By last_crusader: @rock6 Knife on a drop sheath? View Quote Yea. I'm curious too.

wsix Joined Nov 2005 Posts 4096 EE 100% (8) AK, USA	Posted: 10/15/2024 2:50:41 AM EST [#48] Quote History Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Yea. I'm curious too. View Quote The one in his rig above looks like an Extrema Ratio "Requiem", but it could be another one of their models..

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Posted: 10/15/2024 3:08:22 AM EST

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Originally Posted By marnsdorff:
How do you run your knife? Which knife? I'm still trying to figure out my knife situation.

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It's still an evolution, but I've had a custom as my field knife for the past several years. It's not a "drop" as it dangling, it just as a belt loop attachment that rides a little lower than how I used to carry fixed blades. As always, the challenge is balancing access with not interfering with typical IMT drills. This is probably more along the 40%/60% between those two, respectively. This isn't a "fighting knife" per say, it's a field knife. I do have a multitool with much easier access for routine needs.

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I've tried various "drop" leg rigs for my pistol. I would prefer to have it independent of my fighting kit for various reasons, but I just haven't found one that is stiff enough to not impeded maneuvers by flopping around (and no leg straps) yet still be accessible. The LBE/PLCE type belt kits are just too bulky for me to access my handgun reliably if on my pants belt in a drop/mid-drop type rig. Again, with my focus more on the civilian/minuteman concept where I may need to ditch my kit and blend into the population for intel, resupply, or evasion, I'm just adding a minimalist AIWB holster for the handgun so I can at least be armed discreetly if I need to ditch my kit that has the holster on it.

If I feel I need a knife on my belt kit, it would be light and slim:

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ETA, knives are:
Martine Knives T3 SERE. Ed Martin (he and his brother have done custom knives for a while) makes a great design and sheath systems. This is a Kydex sheath with a small locking slide and a leather belt attachment loop. It also has Ed's attachment for sharper and firesteel (home-made pill fob JB welded to firesteel and holds tinder in the fob).

Spyderco Perrin Street Bowie. A very under-rated knife, which ironically is well suited more to a field kit than the streets.

Extrema Ratio Requiem. Honestly, I like the profile and form-factor. Expensive for what you get, but it fills its niche pretty well with a unique sheath system. The issue is that it sits pretty high.

Not always part of the kit is the Colonel Knives "punch" knife...

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