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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:31:10 PM EST
One of the trans people posts a lot on my towns facebook page. She wanted to let everyone know student loan debt is the reason many young people cannot afford mortgages. Her little friend chimed in with this comment. She has a PhD but it took her six years to find a salary job. She is just starting to save money for retirement at age 42. She's grossly underpaid at $56k a year in Massachusetts with a PhD. This other chick makes $80/hr as an aquarist?? These people are fucking bonkers.

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A PhD in what?

Also, most jobs don't require that level of education. Seems to be a failure of planning.

ETA: bachelors or masters is plenty for most professional careers. IMO you should have a reason beyond "I want a PhD" to go after one.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:33:49 PM EST
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Who could of guessed a PhD in Women's Studies or Underwater Basket Weaving, was worthless.
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A PhD in what?

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This. Obviously not an MD. Or a Dentist, engineer, economist, etc.

Pointless Ph.D = pointless job
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I will say this.. every PhD that I know personally is a freaking idiot

Their parents who have sacrificed their own financial well being/retirement to pay for the degree is the original idiot
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Who could of guessed a PhD in Women's Studies or Underwater Basket Weaving, was worthless.
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A PhD in what?

Also, most jobs don't require that level of education. Seems to be a failure of planning.

ETA: bachelors or masters is plenty for most professional careers. IMO you should have a reason beyond "I want a PhD" to go after one.
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FPNI!

Is the PhD in women's studies or something useless other than teaching like that?
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:36:46 PM EST
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She must be a new aged doctor of crystal healing.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:36:51 PM EST
[#9]
Learn a trade, work OT.
Retire very comfy...at 56.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:36:54 PM EST
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There's a lot of education jobs that require Masters, PhDs, etc even though the pay is crap.  People do it anyway and then complain.
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LoL. Dumbass.  I never finished my associate's and made more than that by the time I was 27.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:38:40 PM EST
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I know that a lot of state wildlife management jobs required a masters and only paid in the mid $30’s a couple of years back.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:39:13 PM EST
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BS=Bull Shit

MS= More Shit

PhD= Piled higher and deeper
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:39:20 PM EST
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I had to look up what an "aquarist" is.  It is a person to tends to aquariums (professionally).
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:40:51 PM EST
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PhD isn’t a magic salary talisman.

Those 87 years in college... did he/she not work and build a resume during that time? Doesn't look like it.

Poor job candidate is still poor job candidate. If the person is working for $56k, that’s probably a good reflection of their current market value. Git gud.

AnythingIHaveToWorkForIsPrivilege.exe
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:40:57 PM EST
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No doubt it's hard finding a job with a PhD in batshit crazy.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:41:50 PM EST
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lol

It depends entirely on the field and the quality of the university the PhD is from.  A PhD by itself doesn't mean much at all.

If you have a PhD in medieval Spanish poetry from a shitty university, then a $56K job would be an impressive accomplishment.

If you have a PhD in finance from a well-ranked R1 university, then a $56K job would to a pathetic failure.
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I could see myself enjoying medieval Spanish poetry.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:42:44 PM EST
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As a former PhD student a local medical school, this post nails it.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:43:19 PM EST
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Sorry about your lack of planning.

What the fuck is an aquarist? She puts together aquariums for people and charges $80 and hour? How many hours a week does she get paid?

At some point working 40 hours a week a $30 is better than working 10 hours at $80
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:43:35 PM EST
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Base salary for me... I use my hands not my superior intellect working on wind turbines.

And school... Yeah waste of time!
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There are people with PhD's because they wanted or needed a PhD to do what they wanted in life...….

then there are people with PhD's that just didn't want to enter the real life and milked school out as long as they could.

Employers can tell the slackers from the workers.
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Sorry about your lack of planning.

What the fuck is an aquarist? She puts together aquariums for people and charges $80 and hour? How many hours a week does she get paid?

At some point working 40 hours a week a $30 is better than working 10 hours at $80
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I love my double time Sundays
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:45:37 PM EST
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A PhD in what?

Also, most jobs don't require that level of education. Seems to be a failure of planning.

ETA: bachelors or masters is plenty for most professional careers. IMO you should have a reason beyond "I want a PhD" to go after one.
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Superbly said!
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:47:06 PM EST
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I'm a chemist (MS) and working in biotech so know a bunch of PhDs. Even in the sciences I know many that are struggling/have struggled particularly if they really want to stay in teaching/academic research. Tenure track faculty positions are rough to find and many languish in non-tract lecturer positions. The degree is certainly not a ticket to stardom, still need to put in the right kind of effort and have a decent personality to put the degree to work.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:48:23 PM EST
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A civil service guard in San Francisco makes more than that.
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My wife has a PhD.  She had no student debt because engineering graduate students get paid to do actual no-shit research.  She got to be a lab slave for a few years, but graduated with zero debt and a useful degree.
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I saw this attitude recently on another board.  Apparently liberals believe that a PhD is literally a ticket for a high paying job.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:52:48 PM EST
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I know that a lot of state wildlife management jobs required a masters and only paid in the mid $30’s a couple of years back.
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Environmental Resource Manager here.
Loved every day of work but wasted way too many years making in the low 20's hoping something would someday change.

It didn't and broke my heart to leave it.
I eventually ended up owning my own business and make more than I ever did working a FT job and two PT jobs at the same time. And I only work one week a month for 7 months doing it, and work more normal hours for 5 months.

Sometimes you have to know when to give up. I should have done it long before I finally did.
My degree means nothing to me. A total waste of $ other than some cool memories and experiences.
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WTF is "Cis Heteronormative"?
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:54:45 PM EST
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job.
GS11 starts at $53k.

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Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:55:28 PM EST
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I manage $52k, in bumfuck Ohio and I barely graduated..... But I'm also one of the normal people with a trades job that they mentioned lol
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job.
GS11 starts at $53k.

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Key word is starts.

Plenty of non-PhDs in GS11+ jobs.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:57:12 PM EST
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It's "normal", but the version they use to pretend that there is something wrong with being normal
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:58:12 PM EST
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job.
GS11 starts at $53k.

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GS-11's neither possess nor require PhD's regardless of what OPM thinks.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 7:59:20 PM EST
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And the guy that pumps my septic tank makes 200k.
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I'm pretty happy that the lady is struggling. I don't have a degree but retired (fully) at 55 after owning my business for thirty years. All those air conditioned no-risk classes she paid for would have been MUCH more comfortable than spraying gel-coat on molds in a dirt floor pole barn in August in Texas.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 8:00:16 PM EST
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I used it as an example because I actually knew someone who got a PhD in that.  We were in the same kendo club.

Now, IF someone can get a tenure-track job at a good university, and can perform well in Academia, then a PhD like that can still be a ticket to a sweet gravy train.  But if that plan doesn't work, people with PhDs like that are fucked.  They will never earn back the NPV of the lost income their time in grad school cost them.
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This. If the reviewers continue to be assholes, at least I know how to use SAS, STATA, R, Matlab and ARC GIS.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 8:00:17 PM EST
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job.
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I know countless people who have got out of the military after 4 years and got GS 11 + jobs with little more than a High school diploma
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 8:00:30 PM EST
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Suck it Doc.

I made that as a journeyman sparky, lol.
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Learn a trade, work OT.
Retire very comfy...at 56.
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This, bigly.

I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48.

I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans.

I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because.

Shove your PhD up your ass.
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It means she's either a lesbian or a womans studies major.

The latter would explain why she isn't making very much with a Ph.D.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 8:02:55 PM EST
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I spin wrenches and make 80k pluse
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GS-11's neither possess nor require PhD's regardless of what OPM thinks.
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The research PhD's in the government aren't on GS scales.  They on paybanded scales which typically see performance based pay increases every year instead of fixed increases every GS step.  They can start in that range, but typically move up rapidly.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 8:04:24 PM EST
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She would tie her labia in a knot if she knew what I made as a master sparky.
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This, bigly.

I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48.

I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans.

I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because.

Shove your PhD up your ass.
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Why do you plan on sending 3 kids to college?
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