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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:01:02 AM EST
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Sweet - another GD College is for suckers thread.... college, the degree you obtain, and what you do with it is completely dependent upon the person. Make stupid choices like, hide in school for 8 years and get a phd, only become an aquarist, and I don't feel sorry for you. There is a delicate balance between doing what you love and doing it stupidly
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:18:57 AM EST
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Retired 3years ago from a job with no degree making $43hr and acquired no education debt getting there.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:26:55 AM EST
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Well her/him spelled "you're" as "your" so I'm not sure how much was gained for said phd but w/e.
Moral of the story is don't get advanced degrees where there is no demand for the degree. Gender studies and African American history just isn't a in demand field at the moment. Stick with STEM fields. If you really want a phd get a pharmacy degree, you will have multiple job offers and be making $100k+ a year right out of college at age 24. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:39:12 AM EST
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A PhD in what? Also, most jobs don't require that level of education. Seems to be a failure of planning. ETA: bachelors or masters is plenty for most professional careers. IMO you should have a reason beyond "I want a PhD" to go after one. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:42:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you really want a phd get a pharmacy degree, you will have multiple job offers and be making $100k+ a year right out of college at age 24. However, I don't know if I'd go that route now. Automation is coming. I just don't see a market for pharmacists long term when computers and machines can do that job cheaper with less mistakes. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:49:44 AM EST
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I was responsible for heading up over a hunded search committees at the university I was a professor at for 33 years.
We hired a fellow with a Ph.D from Arizona State. He had several peer reviewed articles. His doctorate was in cognitive psych/information processing. His salary, 9 month contract, as an assistant professor was and is $49,000. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:59:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Skilled trades and OT can be a early retirement |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:02:28 AM EST
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LoL. Dumbass. I never finished my associate's and made more than that by the time I was 27. 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:03:15 PM EST
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Environmental Resource Manager here. Loved every day of work but wasted way too many years making in the low 20's hoping something would someday change. It didn't and broke my heart to leave it. I eventually ended up owning my own business and make more than I ever did working a FT job and two PT jobs at the same time. And I only work one week a month for 7 months doing it, and work more normal hours for 5 months. Sometimes you have to know when to give up. I should have done it long before I finally did. My degree means nothing to me. A total waste of $ other than some cool memories and experiences. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know that a lot of state wildlife management jobs required a masters and only paid in the mid $30’s a couple of years back.
Environmental Resource Manager here. Loved every day of work but wasted way too many years making in the low 20's hoping something would someday change. It didn't and broke my heart to leave it. I eventually ended up owning my own business and make more than I ever did working a FT job and two PT jobs at the same time. And I only work one week a month for 7 months doing it, and work more normal hours for 5 months. Sometimes you have to know when to give up. I should have done it long before I finally did. My degree means nothing to me. A total waste of $ other than some cool memories and experiences. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:24:47 PM EST
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My pay and benefits package is 3-4 times that amount with two BS's and an associates. All three was fully paid for by my employer with the exception of about 4k
 She chose poorly. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 4:49:38 PM EST
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Who cares if you have PhD if it's in something nobody gives a shit about? Supply, demand, something something... It's a job that should require no more than a masters, at most. Degree inflation is a real bitch. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:00:41 PM EST
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It's a job that should require no more than a masters, at most. Degree inflation is a real bitch. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:06:03 PM EST
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I have a masters and make $25/hour. Degrees have no correlation to money.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:26:32 PM EST
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I have a masters and make $25/hour. Degrees have no correlation to money.  Attached File/edited for photo size |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:30:46 PM EST
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I plan to go back to school and get a PhD one day, after I launch my first successful venture and have the money to blow on personal achievements.
I expect mother fuckers to call me Doctor.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:44:26 PM EST
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I was responsible for heading up over a hunded search committees at the university I was a professor at for 33 years. We hired a fellow with a Ph.D from Arizona State. He had several peer reviewed articles. His doctorate was in cognitive psych/information processing. His salary, 9 month contract, as an assistant professor was and is $49,000. I have a B.A. in philosophy. I can't say that the degree has served me well. Rather, the personal drive and passion to understand that led me to select that degree is what has served me well. I topped $100k in the '90s. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:54:02 PM EST
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Sorry about your lack of planning. What the fuck is an aquarist? She puts together aquariums for people and charges $80 and hour? How many hours a week does she get paid? At some point working 40 hours a week a $30 is better than working 10 hours at $80 |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:01:07 PM EST
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PhD's are weak sauce.
ScD's are where it's at 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:11:25 PM EST
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Doctor of Juridical Science Very very few US lawyers have them. I've only known of one in nearly 20 years.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:13:55 PM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:16:29 PM EST
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One of the trans people posts a lot on my towns facebook page. She wanted to let everyone know student loan debt is the reason many young people cannot afford mortgages. Her little friend chimed in with this comment. She has a PhD but it took her six years to find a salary job. She is just starting to save money for retirement at age 42. She's grossly underpaid at $56k a year in Massachusetts with a PhD. This other chick makes $80/hr as an aquarist?? These people are fucking bonkers. https://i.ibb.co/g9jjCQC/20190121-192841.jpg |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:21:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... except in the statistical sense, in which there actually is a pretty good relationship. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/485441/chart_jpeg-817795.JPG /edited for photo size Not saying college is a waste, but it's not the end all. If one wants to control their income, not be on call for no compensation, be paid salary no matter how many hours you work, go ahead. I had no fancy title, but I made a shit ton of $$$$ in my 37 years being a grunt. The Gray man theory is lucrative. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:26:35 PM EST
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I remember my neighbor being a wildlife tech with a BS degree trying to get a biologist spot. After a long time he gave up, got a letter carrier job at the post office and tripled his income. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know that a lot of state wildlife management jobs required a masters and only paid in the mid $30’s a couple of years back.
Environmental Resource Manager here. Loved every day of work but wasted way too many years making in the low 20's hoping something would someday change. It didn't and broke my heart to leave it. I eventually ended up owning my own business and make more than I ever did working a FT job and two PT jobs at the same time. And I only work one week a month for 7 months doing it, and work more normal hours for 5 months. Sometimes you have to know when to give up. I should have done it long before I finally did. My degree means nothing to me. A total waste of $ other than some cool memories and experiences. I found my groove in Integrated Pest Management. Specifically, audited food safety. I get to use my chemistry, biology and natural sciences. Within two years of starting and becoming the biggest supplier of commercial services in my area, I had already franchised my business. Like I said.....too bad I waited so damned long to do it (50). It's been great! |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:31:45 PM EST
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15 years ago or so as I was supporting my ex wife as she went to school for her BS in business her mom accused me behind my back of hanging around so I could cash in when she graduated and got a job making 6 figures
 . When the ex told me that, feeling it was true, I laughed my ass off (because no, my dumb ass was just in love with her). I told her she'd probably make 35K, and I was right. Add that to the fact that she couldn't hold down a job and it was all pretty hilarious even at the time.I, on the other hand, finally finished my degree 10 years ago working full time while going to school. Only one interview has specifically asked me why it wasn't in computer science, otherwise it gets a casual mention of "oh, you have a degree". I have 20 years in the field. I'm working on my masters now, and only because my work is paying for it, otherwise the ROI wasn't worth it because there's no guarantee of moving up. It'll probably help more if we ever move to a bigger city. Of the 250ish people in my org at work, I'm one of about 15 with a degree. Maybe 2 of those have a masters. Almost everyone has over 10 years in their respective field though, and that means way more getting in the door. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:37:09 PM EST
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I'm sure it's been said many times here, but the obvious questions are, what PhD, and what is the job?
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:27:23 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Does your cum sock pull in six figures? Because every single person I know with a PhD does. If you get a PhD in the right field (and from a quality R1 school) it can be a ticket to a very successful and lucrative career. 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:40:32 PM EST
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As with any other degree, it really depends on what you want to do with your degree and which opportunities are available.
Public University salaries are made public in a database, and while I was working on my MBA you better believe I looked up every single on of my professors. I think the average was about $200k with the highest being a little over $350k per year. Some were FTE salaried, some were adjunct but none of them were hurting. You just have to understand that getting in and staying in is tough because of the competition and politics involved. You can't just a degree and bitch and whine all day because people aren't showering you with money and job offers. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:44:45 PM EST
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Do Russell Group or LERU universities count? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: lol Does your cum sock pull in six figures? Because every single person I know with a PhD does. If you get a PhD in the right field (and from a quality R1 school) it can be a ticket to a very successful and lucrative career.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:52:46 PM EST
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Environmental Resource Manager here. Loved every day of work but wasted way too many years making in the low 20's hoping something would someday change. It didn't and broke my heart to leave it. I eventually ended up owning my own business and make more than I ever did working a FT job and two PT jobs at the same time. And I only work one week a month for 7 months doing it, and work more normal hours for 5 months. Sometimes you have to know when to give up. I should have done it long before I finally did. My degree means nothing to me. A total waste of $ other than some cool memories and experiences. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:53:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry - no Eurofags allowed. 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:54:29 PM EST
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I saw this attitude recently on another board. Apparently liberals believe that a PhD is literally a ticket for a high paying job. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:58:08 PM EST
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I've been a PHD since I was a teenager.
PHD does mean post hole digger don't it? |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:14:56 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:35:39 PM EST
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This. Obviously not an MD. Or a Dentist, engineer, economist, etc. Pointless Ph.D = pointless job FWIW, the PhD was kind of an accident. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:36:34 PM EST
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Sorry - no Eurofags allowed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: lol Does your cum sock pull in six figures? Because every single person I know with a PhD does. If you get a PhD in the right field (and from a quality R1 school) it can be a ticket to a very successful and lucrative career. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:37:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: shit like this is why we need a wall on the US-Denmark border.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:38:44 PM EST
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Depending on what the PHD is in.
Might be a certified PHD. Post Hole Digger |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:38:52 PM EST
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Are you calling for an Atlantic Wall? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: shit like this is why we need a wall on the US-Denmark border. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:44:07 PM EST
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If it's a PhD in women's studies from University of Phoenix I think she's lucky she's get 56K.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:45:55 PM EST
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Once you give the Dane tenure, you never get rid of the Dane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: shit like this is why we need a wall on the US-Denmark border. 
That’s awesome. Well played! |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:47:08 PM EST
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shit like this is why we need a wall on the US-Denmark border. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: lol Does your cum sock pull in six figures? Because every single person I know with a PhD does. If you get a PhD in the right field (and from a quality R1 school) it can be a ticket to a very successful and lucrative career. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:53:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tenure-track positions are definitely become harder to find. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:56:23 PM EST
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FPNI! Is the PhD in women's studies or something useless other than teaching like that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A PhD in what? Also, most jobs don't require that level of education. Seems to be a failure of planning. ETA: bachelors or masters is plenty for most professional careers. IMO you should have a reason beyond "I want a PhD" to go after one. Is the PhD in women's studies or something useless other than teaching like that? |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:57:18 PM EST
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job. GS11 starts at $53k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202299/Screenshot_2019-01-21-17-52-12_png-816894.JPG |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:06:04 PM EST
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Very true. I work at an R1 (as a lowly Staff Accountant) and we struggled for years to codify the lecturer/clinician track faculty. The Faculty Senate finally sorted it out but those folks are still second class citizens on campus. But they're all over the place. I think every department on campus uses them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Tenure-track positions are definitely become harder to find. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:06:29 PM EST
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What's an Aquarist? and when can I start?
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:12:23 PM EST
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Cis heteronormative?
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:36:13 PM EST
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lol It depends entirely on the field and the quality of the university the PhD is from. A PhD by itself doesn't mean much at all. If you have a PhD in medieval Spanish poetry from a shitty university, then a $56K job would be an impressive accomplishment. If you have a PhD in finance from a well-ranked R1 university, then a $56K job would to a pathetic failure. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 5:05:42 PM EST
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And the guy that pumps my septic tank makes 200k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/273091/LeonIV_CollegeDegree2_jpg-816895.JPG |
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