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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:55:10 AM EST
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I agree with the sentiment, dude. The trades need to be respected as a viable career path again. It's a shame they are disrespected in academia. That being said, I'm going to have to take all of your grandiose claims with a huge fucking grain of salt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. That being said, I'm going to have to take all of your grandiose claims with a huge fucking grain of salt. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:56:33 AM EST
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WTF is "Cis Heteronormative"?  |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 6:58:37 AM EST
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Friend of mine got her PhD online from a diploma mill and does quite a bit better than that.
Some jobs you just need the degree. Others, where you got it matters. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:00:11 AM EST
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Why people pursue degrees that don't likely lead to gainful employment utterly mystifies me.  Plus, in my experience, the vast majority of college students don't give a single thought to Life After College or Employment until their final semester. And if they cannot find a job, well, "there's always grad school!" |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:00:33 AM EST
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A PhD in what? Also, most jobs don't require that level of education. Seems to be a failure of planning. ETA: bachelors or masters is plenty for most professional careers. IMO you should have a reason beyond "I want a PhD" to go after one. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:01:44 AM EST
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That is what happens when you hire HR flunkies without master's degrees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: True and funny story A buddy of mine is an attorney with SSA in DC. He was tired of his job and wanted to cross he street to a different federal agency. So he goes to a a hire a thon. The ladies asked him what level of education he had. He said, "I'm an attorney I have a JD." The said, "Oh honey we can't hire you. We need more than a GED." May the shut down continue forever. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:13:53 AM EST
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it's more like, that's what happens when you let HR retards be involved in the hiring process AT ALL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: True and funny story A buddy of mine is an attorney with SSA in DC. He was tired of his job and wanted to cross he street to a different federal agency. So he goes to a a hire a thon. The ladies asked him what level of education he had. He said, "I'm an attorney I have a JD." The said, "Oh honey we can't hire you. We need more than a GED." May the shut down continue forever. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:23:27 AM EST
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WTF is "Cis Heteronormative"? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:24:33 AM EST
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job. GS11 starts at $53k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202299/Screenshot_2019-01-21-17-52-12_png-816894.JPG |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:31:40 AM EST
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Just a poor old electrician here. I was paid to work my entire apprenticeship. My training paid me. I can’t understand people’s dislike of dirty hands on work. It pays well.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:45:13 AM EST
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I will say this.. every PhD that I know personally is a freaking idiot |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:48:09 AM EST
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I know that a lot of state wildlife management jobs required a masters and only paid in the mid $30’s a couple of years back. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:50:04 AM EST
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Unless you are a medical doctor, any other PhD is as useless as a 41 year old cum sock with a hole near the toe area of the sock.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:55:11 AM EST
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because the vast majority of kids who go to college get their heads filled full of Boomer bullshit about "this is your time to explore yourself. Your major won't matter; just having a degree sets you apart, and anyway in 5 years you'll be working in a career field completely unrelated to your major." Plus, in my experience, the vast majority of college students don't give a single thought to Life After College or Employment until their final semester. And if they cannot find a job, well, "there's always grad school!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why people pursue degrees that don't likely lead to gainful employment utterly mystifies me. Plus, in my experience, the vast majority of college students don't give a single thought to Life After College or Employment until their final semester. And if they cannot find a job, well, "there's always grad school!" |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:57:11 AM EST
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A PhD in what? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:00:16 AM EST
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Who could of guessed a PhD in Women's Studies or Underwater Basket Weaving, was worthless. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:06:51 AM EST
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I love this topic so much.
One of my acquaintances consistently complains that "she's a DOCTOR!!!! and can't find work." Well.....she's a doctor in primate studies. I told her she should have got a useful degree, and that I don't respect her "doctorate," would never call her a doctor, that not all degrees are equal, and that a bachelors in engineering would have been more difficult and held more esteem. Guess who doesn't talk to me anymore 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:11:30 AM EST
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I love this topic so much. One of my acquaintances consistently complains that "she's a DOCTOR!!!! and can't find work." Well.....she's a doctor in primate studies. I told her she should have got a useful degree, and that I don't respect her "doctorate," would never call her a doctor, that not all degrees are equal, and that a bachelors in engineering would have been more difficult and held more esteem. Guess who doesn't talk to me anymore |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:11:51 AM EST
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WTF is "Cis Heteronormative"? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:15:39 AM EST
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My wife works with this fat fuck who has an enormous chip on his shoulder. He is a high school history teacher who got his PHD through some online university. He goes absolutely goes ape shit when someone doesn't cal him Dr. xxxx. He will try to write kids disciplinary sheets and send them to the office for "disrespect" when they don't say it. They administration pretty much ignores it and sends the kid back. Honestly, if it's not a doctorate in a useful field, I have absolutely no respect for it and won't refer to people as dr. They don't deserve respect for getting a dumb degree and then staying in school longer than they needed. A 4 year engineering degree is more difficult in these cases, and a trade would have been more useful. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:16:30 AM EST
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True and funny story A buddy of mine is an attorney with SSA in DC. He was tired of his job and wanted to cross he street to a different federal agency. So he goes to a hire a thon. The ladies asked him what level of education he had. He said, "I'm an attorney. I have a JD." The said, "Oh honey we can't hire you. We need more than a GED." May the shut down continue forever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job. GS11 starts at $53k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202299/Screenshot_2019-01-21-17-52-12_png-816894.JPG Quoted: GS-11's neither possess nor require PhD's regardless of what OPM thinks. A buddy of mine is an attorney with SSA in DC. He was tired of his job and wanted to cross he street to a different federal agency. So he goes to a hire a thon. The ladies asked him what level of education he had. He said, "I'm an attorney. I have a JD." The said, "Oh honey we can't hire you. We need more than a GED." May the shut down continue forever. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:23:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Achievement unlocked. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/857/6E86EEF4-9642-4354-B54E-1A8E0151E811_jpeg-816931.JPG |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:25:22 AM EST
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Lol,
I make a significant amount more than her and i have an associates degree. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:28:52 AM EST
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To me personally, the ONLY real "need" for a Ph.D. is if you intend to work in research academia - or in other advanced research fields, such as medicine, biology, pharmacy, etc. Otherwise, I really do not see the point. Quite frankly, there really is NO REASON that university teaching positions should require a Ph.D. Teaching at the university level is not necessarily any more difficult or demanding that teaching in high school. I don't see what a PhD adds to that at all. You are probably correct about the "only real need" for a doctorate being the intention to work as an advanced researcher. I mainly want to finish my Ph.D. because A) I enjoy doing research in my field, and B) I enjoy being in a university environment. It is nice to know that professors in undergraduate put in the effort and had the knowledge base and understanding to earn their Ph.D. in _________ before choosing to teach the subject. However, most of the undergraduates don't seem to possess the intelligence to understand graduate-level discussions in classes; in fact, the majority of them don't seem to care about learning to the point that one wonders why they are at a university in the first place. I probably could have taught many of my fellow classmates when I was still working on a Bachelor's degree. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:30:46 AM EST
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I have a Bachelor of Arts and a Master of Science, and I intend to get my doctorate. I'm not doing it with the expectation of getting a high paying career.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:34:08 AM EST
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I have an associates and it never takes me more than a week to find a salary or nicely paid hourly job
Making a lot more than her too Some people are just idiots |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:39:47 AM EST
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I decoded the OP post. She gets $40/week (== once a week) to feed and care for the fish at houses with fancy aquariums. This takes half an hour/house. But, let’s decode the main person. 42 years old. Spent 6 years looking for a salaried job with benefits. Just start paying into retirement three years ago. Assuming she started paying into retirement after getting the salaried job, that means she got it at 39. So she got her PhD at what, 33? It took her 15 years? Or, did she work a decade in her salaried job and not pay into retirement at first? My guess is, she is not woefully underpaid given her experience. Sounds like she maybe only has 3 years of work behind her. Fucking around in school is not “experience.” |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:44:02 AM EST
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I have a Ph.D in computer science.
I have never used it to get a job. It shows that I spent way more time in school than I should have. I am not a research guy |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:45:18 AM EST
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Just goes to show a PhD does not make a person wise. It does not automatically confer respect nor instant cash. The skill set has to be in demand to be profitable. The PhD in the right field can open doors to a useful future. In the wrong field shows someone chose poorly and lacks a true understanding of the market place.
I had a professor in college with a PhD in Archaeology back in the early 70's. He was truly smart in his field and had a deep love for teaching it. Without the degree he'd never have gotten the position. He expected no wealth or adulation. Back then there were very few jobs available in that career field. The best job he could find was teaching night classes at a state university. He had no desire to work in some museum as a glorified feather duster of artifacts. He wanted to spread his love for history, so concentrated his energy teaching and doing research. He even wrote several books. His wife was a nurse and had a bigger paycheck than he did. He could have cared less. He was one of the best history teachers I ever had and it was because he made his love of history infectious. Yes, he could have been a bricklayer or plumber but for him that would have been a life of boredom. He knew his gift and embraced it. It wasn't about money. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:49:48 AM EST
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It is nice to know that professors in undergraduate put in the effort and had the knowledge base and understanding to earn their Ph.D. in _________ before choosing to teach the subject. However, most of the undergraduates don't seem to possess the intelligence to understand graduate-level discussions in classes; in fact, the majority of them don't seem to care about learning to the point that one wonders why they are at a university in the first place. I probably could have taught many of my fellow classmates when I was still working on a Bachelor's degree. 2. Because parents pushed them to be there. “If Timmy doesn’t go to college NOW, then he never will!” is a very good indicator Timmy should not be in college at all. 3. Speed bump on the way to grad school. Law should be a bachelor’s degree again, not an additional 3 years of school. 4. To party. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:51:33 AM EST
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job. GS11 starts at $53k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202299/Screenshot_2019-01-21-17-52-12_png-816894.JPG |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:51:54 AM EST
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Like others said. PHD in what?...
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:53:09 AM EST
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1. To party. 2. Because parents pushed them to be there. “If Timmy doesn’t go to college NOW, then he never will!” is a very good indicator Timmy should not be in college at all. 3. Speed bump on the way to grad school. Law should be a bachelor’s degree again, not an additional 3 years of school. 4. To party. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is nice to know that professors in undergraduate put in the effort and had the knowledge base and understanding to earn their Ph.D. in _________ before choosing to teach the subject. However, most of the undergraduates don't seem to possess the intelligence to understand graduate-level discussions in classes; in fact, the majority of them don't seem to care about learning to the point that one wonders why they are at a university in the first place. I probably could have taught many of my fellow classmates when I was still working on a Bachelor's degree. 2. Because parents pushed them to be there. “If Timmy doesn’t go to college NOW, then he never will!” is a very good indicator Timmy should not be in college at all. 3. Speed bump on the way to grad school. Law should be a bachelor’s degree again, not an additional 3 years of school. 4. To party. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:55:19 AM EST
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College Degrees in worthless subjects aren't worth much?
Who knew? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 8:56:31 AM EST
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I understand you find him boring, but what does his personality have to do with him being able to make money? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I have a good friend who’s dad owns a septic pumping company. Dude is a multimillionaire. My BIL just received a PhD in molecular Biology. He might be able to do something with it, but we highly doubt it for the simple fact that he has the personality of a fucking paper clip. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:01:08 AM EST
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I agree with the sentiment, dude. The trades need to be respected as a viable career path again. It's a shame they are disrespected in academia. That being said, I'm going to have to take all of your grandiose claims with a huge fucking grain of salt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. That being said, I'm going to have to take all of your grandiose claims with a huge fucking grain of salt. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:04:31 AM EST
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I love this topic so much. One of my acquaintances consistently complains that "she's a DOCTOR!!!! and can't find work." Well.....she's a doctor in primate studies. I told her she should have got a useful degree, and that I don't respect her "doctorate," would never call her a doctor, that not all degrees are equal, and that a bachelors in engineering would have been more difficult and held more esteem. Guess who doesn't talk to me anymore |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:09:11 AM EST
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lol It depends entirely on the field and the quality of the university the PhD is from. A PhD by itself doesn't mean much at all. If you have a PhD in medieval Spanish poetry from a shitty university, then a $56K job would be an impressive accomplishment. If you have a PhD in finance from a well-ranked R1 university, then a $56K job would to a pathetic failure. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:11:18 AM EST
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@DK-Prof You are probably correct about the "only real need" for a doctorate being the intention to work as an advanced researcher. I mainly want to finish my Ph.D. because A) I enjoy doing research in my field, and B) I enjoy being in a university environment. It is nice to know that professors in undergraduate put in the effort and had the knowledge base and understanding to earn their Ph.D. in _________ before choosing to teach the subject. However, most of the undergraduates don't seem to possess the intelligence to understand graduate-level discussions in classes; in fact, the majority of them don't seem to care about learning to the point that one wonders why they are at a university in the first place. I probably could have taught many of my fellow classmates when I was still working on a Bachelor's degree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To me personally, the ONLY real "need" for a Ph.D. is if you intend to work in research academia - or in other advanced research fields, such as medicine, biology, pharmacy, etc. Otherwise, I really do not see the point. Quite frankly, there really is NO REASON that university teaching positions should require a Ph.D. Teaching at the university level is not necessarily any more difficult or demanding that teaching in high school. I don't see what a PhD adds to that at all. You are probably correct about the "only real need" for a doctorate being the intention to work as an advanced researcher. I mainly want to finish my Ph.D. because A) I enjoy doing research in my field, and B) I enjoy being in a university environment. It is nice to know that professors in undergraduate put in the effort and had the knowledge base and understanding to earn their Ph.D. in _________ before choosing to teach the subject. However, most of the undergraduates don't seem to possess the intelligence to understand graduate-level discussions in classes; in fact, the majority of them don't seem to care about learning to the point that one wonders why they are at a university in the first place. I probably could have taught many of my fellow classmates when I was still working on a Bachelor's degree. You seem to want it for the right reasons. As someone told me a long time ago, if you want to go into academia, go get a PhD. If you want to make money, go into industry. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:18:07 AM EST
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I'm ok with this. Rock on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. That being said, I'm going to have to take all of your grandiose claims with a huge fucking grain of salt. I think maybe that crap happens more in the humanities, but those disciplines tend not to be as respected anyway. I had one of my professors tell me years ago, "the need to be called 'doctor' is inversely proportional to the quality of the doctorate". So, I'm guessing that anyone crapping on hvac and plumbing guys are the same ones screeching about being respected for their neglible contribution to society. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:21:24 AM EST
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In my experience, I have found that a degree only helps open the door to get you into a career. Advancement in that career comes from work ethic and ability. If this person is 42 with a phD and only making that salary, it tells me a lot about her work ethic and character.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:21:58 AM EST
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Education is an investment.
Picking a major is like picking a stock. Some are good, some are not. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:28:55 AM EST
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She should have gone to trade school and learned welding.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:33:05 AM EST
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Who cares if you have PhD if it's in something nobody gives a shit about? Supply, demand, something something...
My wife has a PhD and makes good money, but before she chose her field of study she was damn sure that she'd be marketable after all that time/work. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:34:57 AM EST
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WTF is "Cis Heteronormative"? |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:40:08 AM EST
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There's a lot of education jobs that require Masters, PhDs, etc even though the pay is crap. People do it anyway and then complain. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:46:54 AM EST
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There are people with PhD's because they wanted or needed a PhD to do what they wanted in life...…. then there are people with PhD's that just didn't want to enter the real life and milked school out as long as they could. Employers can tell the slackers from the workers. To this day, this guy is still dopey and while he can do the basic functions of the job he is still not what I consider my equal in his abilities and work ethics. But hey, at least he had a degree 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:51:22 AM EST
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I came very close to hitting 90k I have a good enough diploma but I always wanted a PhD so I can look down my nose at people for shit pay. She looked at me in a perplexed manner. I then clarified my credentials for her: Doctor of Saw Dust. She was not amused. I was a construction PM with an eight year carpentry career behind me. I figured that combined with post secondary education, that I too should be elevated to such loftiness...at least for the occasion 
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:53:38 AM EST
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Unless you are a medical doctor, any other PhD is as useless as a 41 year old cum sock with a hole near the toe area of the sock. Does your cum sock pull in six figures? Because every single person I know with a PhD does. If you get a PhD in the right field (and from a quality R1 school) it can be a ticket to a very successful and lucrative career. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 9:58:13 AM EST
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And here, I'm a high school drop out and doubled that pay last year.
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