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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:16:09 PM EDT
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You do know the university pays you to get a PhD? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have heard only dumbasses get PhDs, and you have to be rich to afford one or else you go $200k in debt to pay for grad school. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:16:53 PM EDT
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And the guy that pumps my septic tank makes 200k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/273091/LeonIV_CollegeDegree2_jpg-816895.JPG My BIL just received a PhD in molecular Biology. He might be able to do something with it, but we highly doubt it for the simple fact that he has the personality of a fucking paper clip. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:18:04 PM EDT
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Why do you plan on sending 3 kids to college? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:18:16 PM EDT
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I have several guys with graduate degrees who work for me, and they are pretty dumb.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:18:30 PM EDT
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Unpossible. I heard it here in GD Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have heard only dumbasses get PhDs, and you have to be rich to afford one or else you go $200k in debt to pay for grad school. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:18:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And when you start working there, you'll quickly notice that a lot of your coworkers only have a BS. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:19:00 PM EDT
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Sounds like post doc pay.
Your pay can vary a lot post-PhD depending on what your career choice is. Right out of PhD, I think as low as $40K, maybe as high as $400K, based on what I've seen. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:19:18 PM EDT
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I made substantially less than that, briefly, and I have a PhD in chemistry. Of course, I took the job because it would lead to a career in something I live, which it has.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:19:32 PM EDT
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Jesus man! Don't say that at work or they'll burn you on the cross. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To me personally, the ONLY real "need" for a Ph.D. is if you intend to work in research academia - or in other advanced research fields, such as medicine, biology, pharmacy, etc. Otherwise, I really do not see the point. Quite frankly, there really is NO REASON that university teaching positions should require a Ph.D. Teaching at the university level is not necessarily any more difficult or demanding that teaching in high school. I don't see what a PhD adds to that at all. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:20:28 PM EDT
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$56,000 salary with a PD.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:21:03 PM EDT
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I had to look up what an "aquarist" is. It is a person to tends to aquariums (professionally). While doing electrical work at an office build out downtown I was bullshitting with one of the guys there that was installing an aquarium in the office waiting room. He would make about 5-700 dollars a day but he'd only work 1-3 days a week on average, and not by choice. Some weeks no work at all. The big upside is the cost of running the business is very low, relatively speaking. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:21:20 PM EDT
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You need a PhD or experience to get a GS11 federal job. GS11 starts at $53k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/202299/Screenshot_2019-01-21-17-52-12_png-816894.JPG |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:26:25 PM EDT
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Learn a trade, work OT. Retire very comfy...at 56. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:26:28 PM EDT
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I have several friends from my military service who left after 6 years and went into underwater welding.
Those dudes are already retired, and they were making north of $300k a year. Not too shabby for a High School diploma. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:35:02 PM EDT
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I know that a lot of state wildlife management jobs required a masters and only paid in the mid $30’s a couple of years back. After high school, I was interested in becoming some type of state or fed biologist. Thought it would be an amazing career path that would take me to a bunch of beautiful locations, with all the perks and bennies that a .gov career would offer. Turns out the education level they demanded for the amount of pay offered is seriously out of wack. Even as a dumb kid I knew that a bachelors degree should get me more than seasonal work that makes barely above minimum wage. My Aunt's wife (yes, you read that right) has her masters in Forestry, and can only get work 8 months out of the year. Works at home depot in the off season to make ends meet. I respect the career path, if it's a calling. If it's not, be prepared for a life of food service hair nets, aprons and name tags. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:42:15 PM EDT
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If we would allow student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, we would see a lot less of these pointless degrees. No one would loan money for a woman's studies degree or a gender studies degree if there was a risk of losing your loaned money in bankruptcy. Remove the government backing (and it's laws), the loans are bankruptible and the banks will greatly reduce the loans to real degree fields. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:47:37 PM EDT
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I really wanted to be a forest ranger (the tree/animal guy, not the 'cleaning up the trails' ranger) for quite a while until I learned how little they make and how few jobs there really were. Would have been great and kudos to those that are doing it, but at the time there'd no way I'd have been happy with the money. The job would have been great though.
This chick in the OP? She could have a Phd in chemistry - i know a few that started out with real shit salaries and for the most part, the pay scales don't skyrocket out of the park. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:50:41 PM EDT
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I'm a chemist (MS) and working in biotech so know a bunch of PhDs. Even in the sciences I know many that are struggling/have struggled particularly if they really want to stay in teaching/academic research. Tenure track faculty positions are rough to find and many languish in non-tract lecturer positions. The degree is certainly not a ticket to stardom, still need to put in the right kind of effort and have a decent personality to put the degree to work. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:55:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. That being said, I'm going to have to take all of your grandiose claims with a huge fucking grain of salt. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:55:36 PM EDT
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I make that with a screwdriver in my hand.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:56:22 PM EDT
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70-80 hours is common for grad students. see DK's above statement about NPV deficit, investment to payout doesn't ultimately occur or begins too late in the time stream to be soundly beneficial I was just saying they, like many need to stop whining and apply themselves productively...status be damned |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:56:37 PM EDT
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I make that with a screwdriver in my hand.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used it as an example because I actually knew someone who got a PhD in that. We were in the same kendo club. Now, IF someone can get a tenure-track job at a good university, and can perform well in Academia, then a PhD like that can still be a ticket to a sweet gravy train. But if that plan doesn't work, people with PhDs like that are fucked. They will never earn back the NPV of the lost income their time in grad school cost them. 
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:08:04 PM EDT
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I have a masters degree, make 65k, and only work 187 days a year. I enjoy what I do, but the salary is pretty fixed. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:13:46 PM EDT
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With a tech school diploma I worked a stint in a university research facility. Was interesting going from my normal private industry environment to a publicly funded one. Worked with and around a lot of PHd's. Some were tenured, some not. The highest paid tended to be lifeless, humorless and cutthroat types, even with the security of tenure. Not all. A few, I'd call 'good old boys with sheepskins". These were usually ones that were just naturally smarter than the common pool and did not have to fight for a place at the carcass. In what I called the "shark pool" were the cutthroat types, with the back stabbing and purse swinging drama all the time. I found one thing is this group to be humorous. It was apparently and insult from the higher education circles. One of them would throw the insult: "He was obviously educated beyond his intelligence." The other hens in his cliche would haughtily chortle along. Funny thing was that they all used the same insult behind each other's backs.
Another tell for this group was how often they spurted the word "homogeneity" in normal conversation. A $10 word they all wore like badges. 
I recall one guy that I actually liked. He was working his way up. Young family guy. Salt of the earth type. Found out the guy was doing party clown gigs in his spare time to make ends meet and my tech ass was making about the same money as he was. Not knocking the good man for doing what he had to do to keep his family floating above his school debt, but I assumed that that level of education in the discipline of chemistry would be more cushy. He was hard working. I recall telling him that he would more than likely make a lot more money in the private sector with his work ethic and credentials, but "tenure" was his programmed holy word. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:13:57 PM EDT
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I will say this.. every PhD that I know personally is a freaking idiot Their parents who have sacrificed their own financial well being/retirement to pay for the degree is the original idiot Granted, all the ones I know are MD's AND Phd's..... |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:17:34 PM EDT
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Trade school for the win.
Most people I know with an MBA are trying to sell me something. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:22:04 PM EDT
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You need to know better Phd's. Granted, all the ones I know are MD's AND Phd's..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will say this.. every PhD that I know personally is a freaking idiot Their parents who have sacrificed their own financial well being/retirement to pay for the degree is the original idiot Granted, all the ones I know are MD's AND Phd's.....
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:22:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHis degree in advanced Shit Pumping and Hauling was worth the expense & time! Good for him ...
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:32:52 PM EDT
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It's all field dependent, really. It's not exactly a secret that faculty in the humanities don't make much.
Get a PhD in a field with external opportunities, and the academics are actually sacrificing money to stay in academia. The benefits of academia, however, are huge in non-financial compensation. Turns out, labor markets matter, no matter how long you went to school. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:35:47 PM EDT
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you: Hi. I'm very smart, but I don't know how to do anything.
me: Where did you get your PH.D.? you: I didn't say I have a PH.D. me: You kinda did. Roy |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:35:59 PM EDT
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Most people ought to go to a community college.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:41:08 PM EDT
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Two famous PhD's
Isaac Asimov It's safe to say that most here have at least heard of him if not had read one or more of his books. He used his PhD successfully. He was well known and respected. And then there is that bigot who wrote The Turner Diaries. I may be in error, but I believe it is safe to say that William Luther Pierce did not have a comfortable conversation with God when he died. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:43:53 PM EDT
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Piss poor prior planning on her part. Even some engineers with PhD's are complete fucking idiots unless it pertains to their minute specialty. A good friend got his in Astro Physics. How many jobs are there for people brilliant in calculating Red Shift? He works tech support. I've got piles of paper and only one of my degrees pertains to my current career. It wasn't even that important for my job.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:49:57 PM EDT
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You forgot Woodrow Wilson.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:51:10 PM EDT
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WTF is "Cis Heteronormative"? |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:52:47 PM EDT
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One of the trans people posts a lot on my towns facebook page. She wanted to let everyone know student loan debt is the reason many young people cannot afford mortgages. Her little friend chimed in with this comment. She has a PhD but it took her six years to find a salary job. She is just starting to save money for retirement at age 42. She's grossly underpaid at $56k a year in Massachusetts with a PhD. This other chick makes $80/hr as an aquarist?? These people are fucking bonkers. https://i.ibb.co/g9jjCQC/20190121-192841.jpg |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:53:24 PM EDT
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This, bigly. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Learn a trade, work OT. Retire very comfy...at 56. I'm on my second career now. Plan on paying off my 3/4 million dollar house next year. I'm 48. I have a HS diploma and a pension. Full medical for my wife and I for life, kids until they're 26. I plan on being completely done in another 3 or maybe 4 years, and will be able to pay for my 3 kids' college as well. No student loans. I drive a new BMW and my wife drives a Range Rover. I also own a newish F150, just because. Shove your PhD up your ass. Retiring at ~52 with a pension and "full healthcare for life" puts you far out at the upper limit of the bell curve compared to where most skilled labor folks will be at 51. Same as this dolt in the article with a PhD making $50k is at the bottom end of the bell curve. The real problem here is people with worthless degrees or no motivation/work ethic. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:05:37 AM EDT
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To me personally, the ONLY real "need" for a Ph.D. is if you intend to work in research academia - or in other advanced research fields, such as medicine, biology, pharmacy, etc. Otherwise, I really do not see the point. Quite frankly, there really is NO REASON that university teaching positions should require a Ph.D. Teaching at the university level is not necessarily any more difficult or demanding that teaching in high school. I don't see what a PhD adds to that at all. I very much agree that someone shouldn't get a PhD unless they really want to do research academia or be in a research environment where they want to be a PI ad get grants. I know lots of PhD's who were offered 50k or less for postdoc positions (in science). It looks like the modal salary for postdocs is in the lower 50s. It's basically a vow of poverty, chastity, and separation from the world. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:17:20 AM EDT
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And the guy that pumps my septic tank makes 200k. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/273091/LeonIV_CollegeDegree2_jpg-816895.JPG )
4 year + degrees aren't worth shit for the vast majority of people.....but I'm not gonna complain too much, too many people going to college is why the trades make so much now |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:24:45 AM EDT
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I have heard only dumbasses get PhDs, and you have to be rich to afford one or else you go $200k in debt to pay for grad school. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:26:13 AM EDT
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misfire
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:27:17 AM EDT
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I came very close to hitting 90k
I have a good enough diploma but I always wanted a PhD so I can look down my nose at people for shit pay. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:30:56 AM EDT
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"...cis heteronormative" lol
oookkkkaayyyy. The shit these lunatics come up with. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:33:16 AM EDT
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Unpossible. I heard it here in GD Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have heard only dumbasses get PhDs, and you have to be rich to afford one or else you go $200k in debt to pay for grad school. 
I remember that thread. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:36:11 AM EDT
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I started out of college with a bachelors making more than that. Years later, I’m doing just fine.
Let me guess, Useless phd. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:36:34 AM EDT
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Getting PhD is a risky endeavor in most fields, and most people don't finish. In my field $50-$70 thousand seems to be the starting range depending on the institution. That means getting into massive debt is dumb, and is why most programs have funding options.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:53:15 AM EDT
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Her current job may not have anything to do with her PhD.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 1:14:04 AM EDT
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That's not the problem. The problem is that they are government backed. The bank is going to get its money one way or another. Remove the government backing (and it's laws), the loans are bankruptible and the banks will greatly reduce the loans to real degree fields. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we would allow student loans to be discharged in bankruptcy, we would see a lot less of these pointless degrees. No one would loan money for a woman's studies degree or a gender studies degree if there was a risk of losing your loaned money in bankruptcy. Remove the government backing (and it's laws), the loans are bankruptible and the banks will greatly reduce the loans to real degree fields. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 7:39:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a good friend who’s dad owns a septic pumping company. Dude is a multimillionaire. My BIL just received a PhD in molecular Biology. He might be able to do something with it, but we highly doubt it for the simple fact that he has the personality of a fucking paper clip. |
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