The tongues, they are a-wagging.

Who cares LOTR is stupid.

You, enough to post and enjoy the thought of bashing people for liking what you don't.  

We can be friends.  I listen to these every couple of years.

Found the Orc.

Heh.



Mine came down to 421 meg after converting to mono MP3 using 110-150 kbs vbr.

The .wav archive folders come out to 8.77 gb.

EAC for the win!

Also, they didn't have the rights to the sil for the show. They had the rights to *the appendices of LOTR.*

I believe they may have since managed to get the rights for lotr and the hobbit and the sil. Obscene money talks.


ETA:

@Torf

https://archive.org/details/the-hobbit-bluefax

https://archive.org/details/tlotrunabridged

You will not be disappointed.

Ryan:



... and surprisingly, even though its towards a rant, it's just ... well, the facts. You don't have to rage at this stuff. You just have to repeat what it is in public.

Wonderful!  Thank you.  I have the Audible versions as well as the old CD versions of The Hobbit and The Silmarillion.

Going to have to fire these new versions up.

And yes, EAC is awesome.

@FlashMan-7k

What amazes me is how little it takes for them to sell out.  Like if someone offers you enough money where you can comfortably retire before you even turn 40, okay, I get that.  But a plane ticket, a nice dinner, a hotel room, and maybe a few thousand (or less) in cash/merchandise is all it takes for you to publicly abandoned your integrity and lose the respect of the people that have supported you for years?

When you're living in the moment for the moment in a culture where your reputation  - your good name - means a lot less than it used to in society, I guess people's reputations are cheaper to buy out, and use for your purposes.

Nah, they'll blame the failure on racism and old white men.

So where are the elves or trolls wearing the kippah? Where are the Asian elves? This isn't about races, but one race feeling perpetual butthurt. As an author, nothing makes me more offended than film makers deliberately trainwrecking an author's work. Someone has a butthurt over how the author wrote his story, then get off your ass, write your own and try to sell it. Don't steal the title and trash the story. Like him or not, Lucas did his own work, did it his way, and made a fortune. More power to him. I respect that even if it has flaws. I read just about all the books and what Disney did with their movies so turned me off I have no interest in them. I think most readers feel the same way once they read the books. For those too illiterate to read, it doesn't matter.

They already did that over the trailer failure.

I read somewhere that it is fear of losing the early access.  If there's ten popular Tolkien youtube channels, no one wants to be the guy who can't talk about all the new footage.  Then all the viewers leave.  At least, that's the fear.

Diversity is Death, Tolerance is Suicide!!

So, whose getting "f"ed in the "a" now?

prose authors are very often terrible at teleplays, because the media are fundamentally different.  a book is a story told with words.  a teleplay is a story told with pictures.  a novel tells.  a movie shows.  many excellent novelists can't make the transition, and their movies tend to be boring talk-fests.  

aside form that, good writing is difficult, and far more difficult to deliver on a schedule.  at the end of the day, you can make a shit production from a good script, but you can't do the inverse.  there's a tendency to throw resources at the problem rather than allowing more time for it.

The people involved in this wrote for ST:D? Yeah this is going to be dreck. ??

I've got all 3 Hobbit series and all 3 LOR series.

Not giving Amazon a dime on their garbage interpretation

Are they going to get Stacey Abrams to be the leader of Middle Earth?

Fisk incoming. Also WOT. You have been warned.
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss1lck
"You for sure have the jackson movies" If you say so, but I'm not buying that. Destroyed the character of frodo (whiner in the movies, not in the books), made the ents stupid, and criminally turned gimli ... GIMLI ... into comic relief.

That was too much. HInt: just because new stuff is more blatantly destructive and bad, doesn't make stuff that was destructive in the past something it wasn't.

Anyways, moving on.


And what of the people who looked at it and realized: wow, these people are obsessed with race, to the point that they're real live racists and are only putting these people in the production for outright racist reasons, even if they have to mess with what people like?

Oh yes, I forgot, we're your orcs. We don't exist. We are doomed to be evil because we don't think like you.


"If you look below the surface level." No wait, let me guess, you were stupid or arrogant enough to believe it when your english teachers taught you that you could understand what someone was saying that has absolutely nothing to do with their writing or other words. You're good enough to put words in their mouths and read their minds. A long way of saying, you dehumanize them by treating what they say and mean as a plaything to serve your biases. Your real conscious ones.


There's no way they were ever going to inspire any trust by giving people special treatement and NOT allowing them to tell people what they were shown. Per even your own words, people don't trust amazon. With good reasons. You do not engender trust or gain more trust by MORE secrecy. If the content is good. You show it, to gain trust.


Writer, you are ignorant, and likely innocent of how these things work. Yes, even real fans can be made into shills. Because humans can be subverted and manipulated. The people doing the subverting don't even have to believe they are or are trying to do it in order TO do it.

If you aren't innocent or ignorant about these things, and you're saying this, than that doesn't leave you good options.

You are, by the way, showing your bias and conclusions beforehand. If commentators talk about how people are being subverted and turned into shills, they have to be provacateurs and reactionaries. They cannot possibly be anything else and especially can't be honestly trying to keep what they genuinely like from being treated as disrespectfully as ... well, see above comment about english teachers and putting words in peoples mouths.

You have automatically classed them as lower kinds of people. Removing them from any honest interactions where you try and keep your biases from warping and mutilating their words.


Again, with the ignorance. "Too lucrative." All amazon has to do to subvert people is give them personal acknowledgement related to the ROP project. They want it. Badly. Because amazon is working on a source they like. Or have built themselves around.



It's the fact that they even went. We cannot know their thoughts, desires, or emotions related to it. So we treat them as humans and persons. Which means they are as easily subverted as anyone else. You don't know, so you can't (and shouldn't) trust them.

The more they either like .... or build themselves around ...  the tolkien content, and whatever is based off it, the *easier* they will be to be subverted by exactly what amazon did. Amazon is a big stupid bureaucratic beast at the group level, but like any big stupid bureaucratic beast, individuals in it serving it will know how to use what it has to get what they want. Which, in this case, is *good* pr from those who say they are, or really are fans of tolkien's works.


You really don't get it, do you.

It's not about the wrong or right of it. They went to an event that was, by it's design (intended or not) going to make them look well on amazon's content and work. If the event had not been expected to do that, amazon never would have done it. Unless you want to think that amazon WANTS their content to fail.


Yes, they do have a stake in that.

And they know it. And so do you. The difference is, they know if they lie or decieve people, they will lose viewers. Meaning they will lose money.

Amazon can afford to lie and deceive. It's a big dumb evil bureaucracy that had to be sued to pay it's delivery drivers in the UK and that has warehouse workers peeing in bottles to meet efficiency goals; with a worldwide base in multiple different things. Amazon can *afford* to piss all over the entire tolkien fanbase. It could run them up a serious bill on the red ink side of the ledger, but it wouldn't kill them or meaningfully change the lifestyle of nearly anyone in the upper levels working there.

The channels on YT can take a real meaningful beating from their viewers that would ruin them. And they know it.

These guys have built themselves around being real fans of these things. Them being outed as not real fans would hurt and possibly ruin them. People only trust their judgement so far as they think they are fans of what the viewers are also fans of.

Perhaps you have heard of a concept called "disparity of power" ...?


You're an arrogant dehumanizing of others evil person for doing this.

You really did buy the crap so many bad english teachers teach about deconstruction, didn't you?

Stop feeding the bad wolves in you and start trying to strangle them. This putting your words and thoughts in people's mouths and heads to fit your irrational biases crap is filthy and you should ... gasp ... be ashamed of it. You don't have to do this evil crap.


Given the meanings of the words and text you just posted?

NEITHER. You have to add your irrational personal bias to get more from this bit of text from them you've posted.


You must think us imbeciles to fall for this.

Clearly, the word fight can only mean physical combat. Or flinging magic attacks in the middle of combat. Nope, can't mean anything else.  If it's there in the text - I meanin in the meaning of the text itself, not your personal desires crammed into the text by the disgusting dehumanizing means of deconstruction and subversion - just pull the quote where tolkein says Galadriel fought in the wars as a combatant. Which is what the subhuman to you nerdrotic was pointing out.


You don't have to be angry or brash to burn with desire to do something, even to burn with desire to thwart someone in all the ways you can.

Are you so far lost to ignoring what the things people say mean that you don't even know what the words angry ... or...  brash mean?


So if you're not in a military army, you can't be a commander.

Ok than.


You just quoted tolkein saying his work is ... "basically north west europe, mostly england."

You proved his point for him.


Haradrim:south of where tolken wrote about. In other words, SOUTH of the area JSG was talking about. Did you miss this, or are you playing shellgames and hoping nobody notices?

Rhun: Again. Not where he was talking about. It's to the stinking EAST OF MORDOR. JSG was NOT saying that everywhere in the entire fictional world was "white."

Samwise:So you're going to use sterotyping for no reason other than to serve your purposes. Browner of skin (harfoots) has to mean only what you want it to mean. Otherwise, you'd be wrong.


Call out bias when exhibiting a startling amount of it yourself.


No, it doesn't. If the words and genre people are using do not logically force this as a necessary conclusion, there's no tone there, under, over, or otherwise. It's just your thoughts being disrespectfully rammed down other's throats and being said to be theirs.


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Hard eyeroll.

Turkey is not in europe. The mongols didn't make their base in or live in europe. IIRC the tatars didn't even live in europe. You're aware that russia is NOT european?

By the way, people are well aware of the shellgame with the word diverse. It can either mean the older meaning of diverse, or it can mean the new meaning, which is roughly "conforms to the latest pet causes of the political left of the western world."

If you don't think it can mean that, ask yourself if you would say thomas clarence or sowell or larry elder would count in your view as contributing to the "racial diversity" of anything where there aren't "black" (however you define that) people.

Tilt at windmills much?

You haven't really watched the videos of the people you're dehumanizing and trying to trash.

If you had, you'd know they wouldn't say that tolkien's fiction didn't have people who look that way (You people obsessed with how people physically look as if that means something more than they look that way ... you are a mess), or that there are not strong women in the setting either.

What they ARE (rightly) bashing and condemning is people changing already established characters to look physically different for no good reason beyond racism and ignorant childish thinking that physical looks means more than ... a person looks that way ... and they are bashing the idiotic stupid childish bull-feces that the only way a woman can be strong is if she is physically strong and operates in combat like superman, which dehumanizes and denigrates women and pushes the rotted in the head idea that they aren't being strong by exhibiting their strength in classically feminine ways.

tldr;

That's a lot of words for that person to demonstrate they really don't get it.

It's their job to attract me, the consumer/customer, into liking their product so I want it, not berate me into accepting a substandard product because that's all they're capable of producing. That's their problem, not mine.

Eh, I knew it would be longer than most would bother to read.

Kudos to anyone who does.

People using phones to go on a forum and read/post are like guys using a .22 derringer for long range target shooting.

I wasn't critiquing your message, rather the person you were quoting.

Just a lot of words and mental gymnastics to try and justify their cultural vandalism.

I didn't think you were.

The dumb and disrespectful was so strong with the writer of that commentary I was fisking that I felt compelled to point out their errors and how they were being hateful and dehumanizing.

It’s all fantasy trash to begin with… who the fuck cares.

So they went from looking like white fags to black fags… cool.

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You.

Enough to talk about it and tell us we're having fun the wrong way.

After all, who could like a story that discusses the tragic elements of humanity, the feeling of what was lost after the fall of rome, that talked honestly about heroism, and adventures, and how those who go on and lvie through t hem find them to be hard and miserable and dark as they go through, and yet still benefit from them, and carry those things back home to their community in ways that help the community, and yet leave unseen scars that never fully heal. Also friendships forged in combat and hardship.

Such dumb things to discuss and find interesting. We are such 'tards for finding those topics compelling.  You know. Childish high fantasy crap.

ETA: Oh yeah and who could forget the moral midgetry of carrying an almost unfathomable burden in order to serve others. How pathetic and queer that is, amirite?

ETA2: and the author was just some stupid eggheaded wimp. So what if he went off to WW1 and fought in combat at some forgettable non-event called the battle of the somme. Just a dumb egghead.

This.  Don't get me wrong I don't think it's going to be any good and have no plans to watch it, and I'm sure it'll be full of woke nonsense, but the skin color of fantasy creatures seems like a poor target to hurl accusations at, even if they are described in the books.  Hell fantasy dwarves are often, dare I say usually, portrayed as dark skinned.  Yeah that's not so much true for elves, but is there any reason they couldn't be?

Yeah. Enjoyed the books but the diversity ruined the show. I made it through an episode.  

At this point, I don't even call it diversity, because the only diversity it is is "physical looks" diversity.

Well, partly. Their "diversity" is  100% uniform to the point it can be checklisted.

Nowadays, I just call it what it is: Oh look. More disrespect. Because they hate.

The sad part is, nobody would care about how people looked or didn't in their flicks, if they could just have enough self control to stop weaponizing the way people look to show off their hatred of anyone they want to shove in a closet.

https://archive.ph/doKmr




Masculine is the new feminine, I guess. May as well be a codpiece behind the chainmail.

Galadriel airing out the rent receipt

Mama Shabooboo queen of the wee woke

Uncle Remus sings song of the shire

@FlashMan-7k

This post made the whole thread!

No wonder there is such an issue with stolen jewelry in that story.

Ah. Someone AKSHUALLLLY listened to it.

Don't miss the hobbit one too.

If anything, it is done slightly better than the lotr one.

Gonna be a steaming pile of shit

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Finally! Female Orcs!!
Sexism is conquered by Amazon!!!
Now women can see themselves in something that is pure evil! pic.twitter.com/X4e96gsfZN

Nerdrotic  (@Nerdrotics) June 22, 2022

Orcs: "we're into conquest, murder, rape, torture and genocide.  But sex discrimination is a bridge too far."

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