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By losing control of legislation, power of the purse, after brutal opposition from democrats(seriously brutal), they now have the opportunity to return the favor. The republicans are looking to exact revenge and so are we. We only lost weak republicans in the house. We gained in the Senate and Trump has been relentlessly beating the left with Twitter, his media strategy and his executive policies. We are definitely stronger now than we were. View Quote House Republicans are as powerless as House Democrats were when they were in the minority. Senate Republicans don’t have Flake etc but far more are up for re-election in 2020 than in 2018. They saw what happened to their House counterparts. I expect lots of new Flakes to emerge. |
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The political power we have now, in Trump's favor, is stronger than we had then. Agreed? Most House Republicans have never been in the minority while a Representative. And in the House, the minority party barely gets to use the bathrooms let alone do anything substantial. The Senate needs 60 votes for most things, whereas the House is a simple majority. So holding the Senate alone is not equal to holding the House alone. The republicans are looking to exact revenge and so are we. We only lost weak republicans in the house. We gained in the Senate and Trump has been relentlessly beating the left with Twitter, his media strategy and his executive policies. We are definitely stronger now than we were. |
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By losing control of legislation, power of the purse, after brutal opposition from democrats(seriously brutal), they now have the opportunity to return the favor. The republicans are looking to exact revenge and so are we. We only lost weak republicans in the house. We gained in the Senate and Trump has been relentlessly beating the left with Twitter, his media strategy and his executive policies. We are definitely stronger now than we were. View Quote |
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If you’re saying the Trump base is more pissed off and supportive, sure but that and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee. The numbers aren’t there. 30% hard core alwaysTrumpers aren’t enough. House Republicans are as powerless as House Democrats were when they were in the minority. Senate Republicans don’t have Flake etc but far more are up for re-election in 2020 than in 2018. They saw what happened to their House counterparts. I expect lots of new Flakes to emerge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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By losing control of legislation, power of the purse, after brutal opposition from democrats(seriously brutal), they now have the opportunity to return the favor. The republicans are looking to exact revenge and so are we. We only lost weak republicans in the house. We gained in the Senate and Trump has been relentlessly beating the left with Twitter, his media strategy and his executive policies. We are definitely stronger now than we were. House Republicans are as powerless as House Democrats were when they were in the minority. Senate Republicans don’t have Flake etc but far more are up for re-election in 2020 than in 2018. They saw what happened to their House counterparts. I expect lots of new Flakes to emerge. We will take advantage of the situation. Pelosi is powerless at the moment and has no influence over republicans in the senate. |
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They just elected a group of radical hardcore communist in the Democrat house majority. Most of the others that are there are inept old and stupid. We will take advantage of the situation. Pelosi is powerless at the moment and has no influence over republicans in the senate. View Quote |
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By losing control of legislation, power of the purse, after brutal opposition from democrats(seriously brutal), they now have the opportunity to return the favor. The republicans are looking to exact revenge and so are we. We only lost weak republicans in the house. We gained in the Senate and Trump has been relentlessly beating the left with Twitter, his media strategy and his executive policies. We are definitely stronger now than we were. Why hasn't a bill to fund the government been sent to Trump yet? |
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You are doubting the obvious. Why hasn't a bill to fund the government been sent to Trump yet? View Quote |
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Because Cociane Mitch, with every ounce of strength, has been keeping Trump out of the really nasty position of having to shit or get off the pot. The minute that changes, Trump is fucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You are doubting the obvious. Why hasn't a bill to fund the government been sent to Trump yet? We're waiting.... |
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It's gone on for 30+ days, longest ever. We're waiting.... View Quote If Trump wanted to play chicken for wall money, he should have started that game when it was just him vs the GOP congress. Now that they lost the house, he just added another player to the game. |
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And in the mean time, Dems keep sending over basically the same budget as last year that was passed by a then Republican house. How do you think the optics will play for the middle third of the country during the next election? McConnell is aware of this, and it only gets worse with time. There are a lot more Republican seats up for reelection this time around. It's a huge political risk that really only benefits Trump. If Trump wanted to play chicken for wall money, he should have started that game when it was just him vs the GOP congress. Now that they lost the house, he just added another player to the game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's gone on for 30+ days, longest ever. We're waiting.... If Trump wanted to play chicken for wall money, he should have started that game when it was just him vs the GOP congress. Now that they lost the house, he just added another player to the game. |
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Those bills from the dem house won't pass the Senate and won't be signed by the president. They are DOA. View Quote How do you think that plays for the middle third of the country? The Dems are proposing the SAME spending bill that the Republicans previously passed TWICE. The only reason it hasn't passed, it because Trump will not sign it. Trump assembled a political bomb. Unfortunately for us, the most likely people at this point for it to blow up on is the Republican party or Trump himself. He played a stupid game and so far it's looking like he will be the one winning the stupid prize. |
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As much as it sucks knowing the dem's and their msm lap-dogs are going to spin this into some sort of victory for Pelosi over Trump, this is the right call by Trump.
There is no point in doing a State of the Union right now when all that is going to get aired for the week following is Dem's blaming/bashing him for the shut down offered as "position opinion" of the address. It's the House's responsibility to pass a budget that they know will get signed. The ball is in their court. Trump is just fulfilling a campaign promise that also happens to be a national security obligation by his office. As far as not doing this with a Republican majority and putting the current Republicans up against a wall. Fuck 'em. They had a chance to get this done just like Trump did. They knew this wold be coming down the pike at some point after 2016. They want to put the weight on Trump to do all the dirty work then cry about it later. |
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Quoted: Holy Shit. How do you think that plays for the middle third of the country? The Dems are proposing the SAME spending bill that the Republicans previously passed TWICE. The only reason it hasn't passed, it because Trump will not sign it. Trump assembled a political bomb. Unfortunately for us, the most likely people at this point for it to blow up on is the Republican party or Trump himself. He played a stupid game and so far it's looking like he will be the one winning the stupid prize. View Quote |
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Holy Shit. How do you think that plays for the middle third of the country? The Dems are proposing the SAME spending bill that the Republicans previously passed TWICE. The only reason it hasn't passed, it because Trump will not sign it. Trump assembled a political bomb. Unfortunately for us, the most likely people at this point for it to blow up on is the Republican party or Trump himself. He played a stupid game and so far it's looking like he will be the one winning the stupid prize. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Those bills from the dem house won't pass the Senate and won't be signed by the president. They are DOA. How do you think that plays for the middle third of the country? The Dems are proposing the SAME spending bill that the Republicans previously passed TWICE. The only reason it hasn't passed, it because Trump will not sign it. Trump assembled a political bomb. Unfortunately for us, the most likely people at this point for it to blow up on is the Republican party or Trump himself. He played a stupid game and so far it's looking like he will be the one winning the stupid prize. I'm part of the middle and I say we need a fucking wall that keeps these illegals from looting and ruining our country. The only budget that came from the house of reps that the Senate and Trump approved of was in December before the new house took their seats. The political bomb will be rolled into the house of reps before this is over. |
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You're talking to a crazy person who may be a script running on a server somewhere. I posit that you'll get more honest responses shouting into a full toilet at a sporting event. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Holy Shit. How do you think that plays for the middle third of the country? The Dems are proposing the SAME spending bill that the Republicans previously passed TWICE. The only reason it hasn't passed, it because Trump will not sign it. Trump assembled a political bomb. Unfortunately for us, the most likely people at this point for it to blow up on is the Republican party or Trump himself. He played a stupid game and so far it's looking like he will be the one winning the stupid prize. I like the way this is going. |
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The middle third of the country? I'm part of the middle and I say we need a fucking wall that keeps these illegals from looting and ruining our country. The only budget that came from the house of reps that the Senate and Trump approved of was in December before the new house took their seats. The political bomb will be rolled into the house of reps before this is over. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The middle third of the country? I'm part of the middle and I say we need a fucking wall that keeps these illegals from looting and ruining our country. The only budget that came from the house of reps that the Senate and Trump approved of was in December before the new house took their seats. The political bomb will be rolled into the house of reps before this is over. When I say "middle third of the country", I'm not talking geographically. I am talking politically... As in they have no loyalty to one side or the other (swing voters if you will). That isn't you. Quoted: You're talking to a crazy person who may be a script running on a server somewhere. I posit that you'll get more honest responses shouting into a full toilet at a sporting event. |
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He should have said "Fuck it" and addressed the nation from the Oval Office, tell America it's Congress's fault, and since Congress Won't act he will. https://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_smartass.gif View Quote |
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I'm amazed I have to clarify this. When I say "middle third of the country", I'm not talking geographically. I am talking politically... As in they have no loyalty to one side or the other (swing voters if you will). That isn't you. I'm slowly figuring that out... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The middle third of the country? I'm part of the middle and I say we need a fucking wall that keeps these illegals from looting and ruining our country. The only budget that came from the house of reps that the Senate and Trump approved of was in December before the new house took their seats. The political bomb will be rolled into the house of reps before this is over. When I say "middle third of the country", I'm not talking geographically. I am talking politically... As in they have no loyalty to one side or the other (swing voters if you will). That isn't you. Quoted: You're talking to a crazy person who may be a script running on a server somewhere. I posit that you'll get more honest responses shouting into a full toilet at a sporting event. Swing voters will vote for whoever accomplishes their stated goals and helps the economy. |
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I represent the middle third. Swing voters will vote for whoever accomplishes their stated goals and helps the economy. View Quote Show me a poll that shows that swing voters have a wall or illegal immigration as their primary concerns (And that they favor the wall and oppose illegal immigration)? I'm sorry to break it to you, but you aren't anything close to a swing voter. |
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When was the last time you voted for a Democrat in a national election? Show me a poll that shows that swing voters have a wall or illegal immigration as their primary concerns (And that they favor the wall and oppose illegal immigration)? I'm sorry to break it to you, but you are anything close to a swing voter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I represent the middle third. Swing voters will vote for whoever accomplishes their stated goals and helps the economy. Show me a poll that shows that swing voters have a wall or illegal immigration as their primary concerns (And that they favor the wall and oppose illegal immigration)? I'm sorry to break it to you, but you are anything close to a swing voter. What is the primary concern for swing voters? Do you even know? |
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I represent the middle third. Swing voters will vote for whoever accomplishes their stated goals and helps the economy. View Quote |
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I never thought Trump winning/hitlery losing would usher in the kind of outright disaster that it has. Massive victories by the entrenched left. Emboldened socialists running openly to destroy the constitution. Accelerated statewide gun control. Border patrol and uscg not being paid...
The Federal Government is truly, irreparably broken and will never, ever be fixed. I have known America was gone for some time but it looks like we are truly and completely fucked as a functioning nation-state and we will never recover or return to anything that resembles sanity. Not ever. The next few years are really going to suck. |
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If you're posting on arfcom GD in the middle of the day in a Trump related thread, you ain't in the middle. You're about as far from the middle as Rosie Donnell is from the cover of the sports illustrated swim suit edition. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I represent the middle third. Swing voters will vote for whoever accomplishes their stated goals and helps the economy. |
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Polls don't matter. What is the primary concern for swing voters? Do you even know? View Quote It is hard enough to accept that people subscribe to the liberal views on matters. |
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I never thought Trump winning/hitlery losing would usher in the kind of outright disaster that it has. Massive victories by the entrenched left. Emboldened socialists running openly to destroy the constitution. Accelerated statewide gun control. Border patrol and uscg not being paid... The Federal Government is truly, irreparably broken and will never, ever be fixed. I have known America was gone for some time but it looks like we are truly and completely fucked as a functioning nation-state and we will never recover or return to anything that resembles sanity. Not ever. The next few years are really going to suck. View Quote I was one of those on here that played down the civil conflict/war talk. Mainly for logistical reasons as the left isn't going to travel hundreds or thousands of miles en mass to instigate violence with a well armed, rural population. Then this last general election happened and supposedly Texas and Arizona are purple now. They have infiltrated every medium to large population center, everywhere with a college and community college. They don't have to travel, they can just do what they want and put the ball in our court. If 2020 is even close, or if Trump wins, we will see violence. I still don't know about open conflict though as the right might just take it and keep their heads down and go to work every day. |
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I had high hopes for trump but all I got was gun control laws and a shutdown that didnt get shit
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I don't believe in "swing voters." Are there really people who have no foundation for their belief system that is not already aligned with either party? It is hard enough to accept that people subscribe to the liberal views on matters. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Polls don't matter. What is the primary concern for swing voters? Do you even know? It is hard enough to accept that people subscribe to the liberal views on matters. |
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Re-read my post and address the second part. View Quote Everyone votes for the people who they think will do what they want. For most people that means they'll vote for the same party election after election because what people care about doesn't tend to change and political parties in a two party system will inexorably polarize such that no matter what issues you care about you'll have one obvious choice. My point is that the things you care about are almost certaintly not the things that the 'middle third', if there is still such a thing, cares about. Everyone wants to believe they are independently minded and vote based on a careful analysis of the candidates and issues but the truth is virtually no one does that. We're all partisan as can be. |
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I never thought Trump winning/hitlery losing would usher in the kind of outright disaster that it has. Massive victories by the entrenched left. Emboldened socialists running openly to destroy the constitution. Accelerated statewide gun control. Border patrol and uscg not being paid... The Federal Government is truly, irreparably broken and will never, ever be fixed. I have known America was gone for some time but it looks like we are truly and completely fucked as a functioning nation-state and we will never recover or return to anything that resembles sanity. Not ever. The next few years are really going to suck. View Quote |
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Something is coming soon. Down payment maybe. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1818/9D203A83-D917-459C-8B75-77888D82592B_png-820098.JPG View Quote |
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Awww shit yeah. I've missed Dr "The Dragon of Budapest" Gorka! He's up there at Moochian levels of 3rd tier awesome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Something is coming soon. Down payment maybe. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1818/9D203A83-D917-459C-8B75-77888D82592B_png-820098.JPG |
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Well said, Carlos. That sums it up nicely for anybody that really wants to understand what has happened here. View Quote I know that arf.com thinks she’s a petty bitch. But the polls seem to be going against Trump on this. While a majority are in support of border enforcement, the support on a literal, continuous wall all the way across the border isn’t that strong. Nor does a majority consider that issue worth shutting down the government over. The Dems are offering money on border security, but they are holding the line on a literal, continuous wall. So why will swing voters who will hear the Dems say that they are offering compromise on border security side with Trump when Trump is insisting on literal wall money and the swing voter wants the .gov reopened more than they want a wall? It’s all rhetoric. Both sides are pointing at the other and saying “your fault”. But at the end of the day, if a majority don’t want the .gov shut down over Trump not getting his wall, the fault for that is going to fall on Trump. That’s where the polls are moving. |
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why would you want to give a state of the union when the government is shut down? it is supposed to be a rally for your performance.
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I have no fucking idea how this stand off over the SOTU issue is going to play out to the masses in the long run. And neither do you. You are just bloviating. View Quote |
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Quoted: I don't believe in "swing voters." Are there really people who have no foundation for their belief system that is not already aligned with either party? It is hard enough to accept that people subscribe to the liberal views on matters. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I don't believe in "swing voters." Are there really people who have no foundation for their belief system that is not already aligned with either party? It is hard enough to accept that people subscribe to the liberal views on matters. yes and those people are what wins elections. Some of y'all really need to get outside of your little bubbles and see what the real world is like. It's not nearly the black and white, GOP vs DEM, right vs left etc. etc. world GD paints it to be. Quoted: Yes. We call those people "morons" - and they vote. |
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Quoted: You might very well be right. If it doesn't happen, it will be because #nevertrumpers would prefer our country be over run by third world moochers rather than Trump be successful. It won't be Trump's fault. It will be the fault of those who thought that Trump couldn't and shouldn't be president and would rather our nation be destroyed in spiteful, petty vengeance over hurt feelz. Nothing personal. View Quote He couldn’t get a wall because a literal, continuous border wall was never going to happen for very sane and practical reasons. But the firebrands on the right got played by Trump on that issue. But rather than eat that crow, now they’ve got to manufacture excuses to save their own face for why it won’t happen. The problem he has is that the Dems are outflanking him on that issue. They’re offering border security money. So now Trump is saying “must be a wall” when there are non-partisan experts saying “a literal wall is impractical”. So in terms of how it plays to swing voters, Trump has to go against not only Pelosi, but also against the non-partisan experts who think it’s foolish. How is that going to play out in the propaganda machine? He’s going to be ridiculed as inept for not getting the wall and then ridiculed as a fool for insisting on it despite advice to do otherwise. The truth is he’s probably known all along it wasn’t feasible but knew it would gain him votes on the right. But we didn’t abandon him after no Obamacare repeal, and we didn’t after the bumpstock ban. So why would he think we will if he caves on the wall? |
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I think it's hilarious to watch fools underestimate someone who has been doubted since he began his run. View Quote The ones who underestimate him or the ones still holding their breath waiting for an Obamacare repeal? I mean, did we lose the House because we didn’t repeal Obamacare? |
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Lol. seriously? yes and those people are what wins elections. Some of y'all really need to get outside of your little bubbles and see what the real world is like. It's not nearly the black and white, GOP vs DEM, right vs left etc. etc. world GD paints it to be. I just agreed with you and I really want to take it back now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I don't believe in "swing voters." Are there really people who have no foundation for their belief system that is not already aligned with either party? It is hard enough to accept that people subscribe to the liberal views on matters. yes and those people are what wins elections. Some of y'all really need to get outside of your little bubbles and see what the real world is like. It's not nearly the black and white, GOP vs DEM, right vs left etc. etc. world GD paints it to be. Quoted: Yes. We call those people "morons" - and they vote. You're gonna be extra pissed when you find out I went to UGA for undergrad... |
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Who are the fools? The ones who underestimate him or the ones still holding their breath waiting for an Obamacare repeal? I mean, did we lose the House because we didn’t repeal Obamacare? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think it's hilarious to watch fools underestimate someone who has been doubted since he began his run. The ones who underestimate him or the ones still holding their breath waiting for an Obamacare repeal? I mean, did we lose the House because we didn’t repeal Obamacare? |
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Trump's position is the shutdown ends when Congress votes money for the wall. The SOTU address isn't a bargaining chip to Trump. It's meaningless at this point. So why not stand firm and make the SOTU a victory speech in the faces of the opposition on their home field? It's the political equivalent of pissing on them to establish dominance. The right strategy if you ask me. I'm glad we have a President who is fresh out of fucks to give when it comes to Pelosi's Congress. View Quote I mean, the Dems have already offered money to fix the existing wall and to increase border security measures other than building more wall. Where’s the room for compromise? Who looks unreasonable for not giving in to the other side’s ultimatum? But Trump chanted “build the wall” and everyone on the right took him at his word despite some pro-border people saying, “Wait a minute, he means a continuous wall across the whole border?” Trump paints himself into corners with his bombastic showboating. No, wait, that’s not showboating, that’s 3D chess. |
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