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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What if the aggressor was in his twenties and 220 lbs and liked to fight and the other guy was late fifties, 150 lbs and just wanted to do his job and be left alone? https://media.makeameme.org/created/first-rule-of-jms0ed.jpg Old guy uses the Denny Crane solution, works for me. |
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Duke it out in the parking lot. Loser gets fired. Winner gets promoted.
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About 55 years ago, we were having a party at my house. One of the attendees was a supervisor from a different division. He didn't like me, and I suppose it was mutual. Everybody was drinking. We exchanged a few words, and before I knew what was happening, he had me on the floor trying to break my arm. The people there pulled us apart before it progressed any further.
We were friends after that. About 20 years ago, a really religious guy made some really insulting remarks in front of a group of people. Yhe next day I threatened to smash in his skull if he did that again. There were lots of witnesses to what he said. Policy was, I should have been fired. I later had to threaten to sue to stop the lying. |
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The aggressor should immediately be terminated.
If an actual incident happens later on and the employee causes harm to another the employer may quite possibly be subject to a gross negligence suit. An employer has an obligation to keep the workplace free of hazards. This includes employees who threaten others. |
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Quoted: Sounds like 2023 faggot bullshit. It takes two to tango. If there is CLEARLY an aggressor and and innocent, that's one thing. But one of them engaged then trying to throw the other one as the aggressor out if the blue-that's bullshit. Depends on compete story, at a minimum one terminated. More likely both terminated. Management sets themselves up for tons of bullshit if they try and parse the situation. Better to cut the entire cancerous situation out, let the bodies hit the floor. You won't have any more of it View Quote One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. |
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Gonna need more details in that before action is taken. The employee threatened violence outside of work. Um, ok.
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If I were the corporate lawyer, I would point out the company's exposure if the aggressor actually made good on his threats.
The one being attacked needs to get the incident on record with HR for future potential legal action. And the one being attacked should not be browbeat into saying things were resolved to his satisfaction...this is nothing more than a transfer of accountability. |
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Quoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. View Quote This. No way would I want my company on record that a employee threatened physical violence on another, and that employee WASN'T fired and immediately walked off. Can you imagine the liability if said violence DID occur? |
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Quoted: Police name Chandler Intel employees killed and injured in recent attack Long time running beef between two employees Chandler police have released the names of the two co-workers who were attacked at the Intel Ocotillo Campus on Feb. 18, resulting in one dead and another seriously injured. Dan Foster was a 49-year-old Intel employee who died from fatal blunt-force trauma sustained during the attack. Police found Foster in critical condition shortly after responding to calls of an attack. 27-year-old Intel employee Jaron Williams suffered non-life-threatening injuries during the attack and was taken to a local hospital for treatment, according to the initial press release. Police said Intel employee Derrick Lemond Simmons attacked his two co-workers at the Ocotillo Campus, according to an investigation update released Monday afternoon. Authorities found Simmons at the scene, and he was taken into custody without incident. The 50-year-old was booked into a Maricopa County Jail and faces charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault, according to Chandler police. View Quote |
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At my former employer, the victim gets fired and the aggressor gets to stay. Seen it happen multiple times.
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Thats when the really huge dudes from security show up, the now former employee packs his shit up and is escorted out with haste.
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Investigation by HR to prove the threat took place at work, followed by police report, followed by immediate termination for cause is the correct cadence to avoid lawsuits and to protect the companies employees.
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Quoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. In that case, termination. |
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Terminating someones career over some angry words is probably the best way to end up with a mass shooting at work.
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Quoted: a 50 year old beat up 2 guys, one to death, one of whom was 27? There must be more to that story than meets the eye. View Quote I'm 50 and know a lot of guys in that age range and older that I am very confident could wreck about any two regular dudes eating lunch in an Intel break room if they had a bat, hatchet and knife while the victims were armed only with a sandwich and had no idea today was the day they had to fight for their lives. According to this story it sounds like the dead guy didn't know he was in a fight until he got hit in the head with a bat. The 27 year took a whack to the back of his head when he tried to stop the fight. Most people don't expect to engage in mortal combat at lunch. |
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In my combat arms unit in the 90s? We were going to the ring
At the medical practice I now own? You’re getting fired and likely I’m filling a police report. Some context matters |
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Quoted: One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like 2023 faggot bullshit. It takes two to tango. If there is CLEARLY an aggressor and and innocent, that's one thing. But one of them engaged then trying to throw the other one as the aggressor out if the blue-that's bullshit. Depends on compete story, at a minimum one terminated. More likely both terminated. Management sets themselves up for tons of bullshit if they try and parse the situation. Better to cut the entire cancerous situation out, let the bodies hit the floor. You won't have any more of it One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. Sounds like someone wants to put an end to the old "Fuck the dog all week so you can get OT" game. |
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Quoted: One employee wasn't even addressing the other. They were bringing up a labor problem that is persistent in this work group, and has been a source of discussion before. Labor problem may or may not effect the aggressor employee. He flips out about taking "food off his plate," culminating into a wish for violence outside of work. First employee never said anything provocative and appeared to want a rational discussion about a real problem at work multiple people have brought up before. View Quote Sounds a like a typical low IQ dumbfuck that makes everything a conflict. Fire his ass. |
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in the medical field, even the slightest threat can and is usually used for termination- the offender will be sent home till punishment is constructed by management. in the past few years, Policies have become rather draconian and swift.
they don't mess around. |
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Quoted: Where I work if 2 people physically fight they're both wrong and they're both fired View Quote My old Job had that policy. Allways found that dumb as fuck. Had one Instance where an employee came very close of physically assaulting me because he did not like what i (professionally) told him. what am i supposed to do if that happens ? Fetal position and let him hit, kick, beat me ? I am just so tired of Coporate BS like that. I am lso tired of the ever increasing draconian speach restrictions Workplaces are supposed to be free of violence nd threats but we are going into a direction where they are also free of criticism and calling out dumb shit, to the very detriment of EVERYBODY involved. |
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Quoted: Immediate termination. View Quote This is how it probably should be. I actually worked with a guy once who attacked another subcontractor (shoved him up against a wall and started screaming at him). Immediately fired. No charges were filed mostly because other subcontractor knew he was a giant asshole who had it coming (so at least he had some self-awareness, I guess). Not sure how that one got explained when references were asked for, lol. |
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Immediate termination and escort out by security. Trespassed, too.
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Quoted: Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. Good friend of mine owns a Big O tires. Two of his employees who were known not to like each other got into an argument. Didn't seem like a big thing, well one of the douches went out to his car and got a pistol, shot his coworker in the chest killing him. No one needs to see that shit, take care of the problem before it really becomes a problem. |
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Quoted: My old Job had that policy. Allways found that dumb as fuck. Had one Instance where an employee came very close of physically assaulting me because he did not like what i (professionally) told him. what am i supposed to do if that happens ? Fetal position and let him hit, kick, beat me ? I am just so tired of Coporate BS like that. I am lso tired of the ever increasing draconian speach restrictions Workplaces are supposed to be free of violence nd threats but we are going into a direction where they are also free of criticism and calling out dumb shit, to the very detriment of EVERYBODY involved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Where I work if 2 people physically fight they're both wrong and they're both fired My old Job had that policy. Allways found that dumb as fuck. Had one Instance where an employee came very close of physically assaulting me because he did not like what i (professionally) told him. what am i supposed to do if that happens ? Fetal position and let him hit, kick, beat me ? I am just so tired of Coporate BS like that. I am lso tired of the ever increasing draconian speach restrictions Workplaces are supposed to be free of violence nd threats but we are going into a direction where they are also free of criticism and calling out dumb shit, to the very detriment of EVERYBODY involved. Firing the employee who was attacked, especially if there was no overt provocation by the person attacked is stupid as fuck. It’s like the no tolerance policies for fights in schools. Kids being bullied and only defending themselves are fucked by the schools. Two jobs ago, the manager I had was toxic as shit. Nothing I ever did pleased her. She yelled all the time. I think she was pissed that I knew my shit and made her look bad because she was clueless. I think the only reason she didn’t try anything with me was because she knew I would have beat her ass if I had to defend myself. |
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Quoted: If he isn't fired and something happens, your company will be sued, and lose View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there real, actual proof? Otherwise its he said/she said BS. Literally happened at a morning meeting in front of a dozen people including first line management. If he isn't fired and something happens, your company will be sued, and lose Jfc. The responses in this thread. |
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Quoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. View Quote Despite all the funny "trial by combat" answers, it's this. If for no other reason than legal liability, the business basically HAS to do this. If they don't, and the employee makes good on his threat on company property, they are fucked. I'm not sure how fucked, if at all, they'd be if they didn't fire the guy and the violence occurred off of company property, but at least if he's fired they could say "hey we fired the guy and did everything we could reasonably do to keep him away from the victim". |
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Watched 2 airmen get into a fight. Helped break it up because I didn't want to see them get into real trouble (it was in a maintenance hangar with lots of big heavy tools) if it escalated.
Once broken up the Senior came down pissed as fuck. He closed the door but that was pointless as he was very clearly heard by everyone through the thick walls and solid door.... Luckily for them he was old school and it never left the unit. Several hangars used to have boxing rings for such a purpose, had beef? Toss the gloves on and settle it. That said in a corporate environment it would at least mandate some sort of correspondence depending on how severe the threat to prevent potential lawsuits. |
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