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I imagine the number of anticipated snow days may be a factor in this decision.
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I just went through this entire thread and all I can say is WOW! So much attention to detail and such a great experience. I must have been living under a rock to have missed this or any previous projects.
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We also recieved this in the mail from a long ways away from CPT. Matthew Johnson https://i.imgur.com/4tE9EAQ.jpg Kids will open it in about 30min. I'll take some pictures. View Quote /bradpitt.gif Not at my desk so these will have to suffice. |
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We also recieved this in the mail from a long ways away from CPT. Matthew Johnson https://i.imgur.com/4tE9EAQ.jpg Kids will open it in about 30min. I'll take some pictures. View Quote |
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Update 1/3 continued: What's in the box?????? A huge Thank You to pilot CTP. Johnson and everyone at TF Eagle Assault for doing this for us. It's going to make an amazing addition to the display. https://i.imgur.com/xa9XvaB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GEitSSe.jpg The acting skills might need a little work. https://i.imgur.com/R0v1ZRB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hdemdpi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5xsbQ9B.jpg Look closely at the certificate. Kids were quick to point out actual signatures........it took them a bit to realize the flag hanging from the blackhawk. https://i.imgur.com/smGwA5M.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c9eQRDt.jpg We've got a case planned and a frame for the certificate, and will display them in our Marine One display area. https://i.imgur.com/hK6PJqz.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: I gotta admit, that is pretty friggin awesome...to the point of the hair on my neck standing up when the picture loaded and a lump of pride in our service men and women welling up in my throat. Wouldn't it be awesome if those fine men that flew that bird got to come meet the students at Powell and see the display first hand after they returned home? View Quote |
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I know I've been taunting you about the helo getting done, but you don't have to work the kids to death on their first week back.
GREAT work accomplished quickly this week, and that flag and photo totally Rock! Kids (and teacher) were probably energized with new ideas and vigor after the olidays which may wane, so I guess build while the building is good. You've got flag and notes adn patches from low space, rocky helicopters, and I forgot the other, You are going to have a museum soon whether you intended it or not. |
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Yup, had the same reaction when I saw the certificate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I gotta admit, that is pretty friggin awesome...to the point of the hair on my neck standing up when the picture loaded and a lump of pride in our service men and women welling up in my throat. Wouldn't it be awesome if those fine men that flew that bird got to come meet the students at Powell and see the display first hand after they returned home? |
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I know I've been taunting you about the helo getting done, but you don't have to work the kids to death on their first week back. GREAT work accomplished quickly this week, and that flag and photo totally Rock! Kids (and teacher) were probably energized with new ideas and vigor after the olidays which may wane, so I guess build while the building is good. You've got flag and notes adn patches from low space, rocky helicopters, and I forgot the other, You are going to have a museum soon whether you intended it or not. View Quote I get excited every time we solve a difficult lingering problem, like the "footbal". |
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Quoted: We are working on those little folded pieces out on the ends.....how do we make them.....the holes will be tough to do well in roofing tin. https://i.imgur.com/kasMtsc.jpg View Quote
If you don't have the "Light Duty" version for leather working and fabrics/thin wood, nab one of these as well:
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Guns,
What does your dad think about the painting of his house? |
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Guns, What does your dad think about the painting of his house? View Quote He really didn't say much when I first told him, but he hadn't heard from the insurance company yet. He got to see it in person tonight and thought it was pretty cool. I told him you had asked. Of course, he also got a positive result from the insurance claim, so it doesn't cut so deep now. |
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Quoted: These will do what you want, if I'm understanding the question, they're VERY useful where drills aren't optimal or won't work for some other reason. www.amazon.com/dp/B00OM4GVX0If you don't have the "Light Duty" version for leather working and fabrics/thin wood, nab one of these as well: www.amazon.com/dp/B00KY3WAK6 View Quote |
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Leather punch is a decent idea, but the holes need to be 7/8" wide. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: These will do what you want, if I'm understanding the question, they're VERY useful where drills aren't optimal or won't work for some other reason. www.amazon.com/dp/B00OM4GVX0If you don't have the "Light Duty" version for leather working and fabrics/thin wood, nab one of these as well: www.amazon.com/dp/B00KY3WAK6 Faster than a drill and far neater hole.
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Quoted: You can get about any size if you can place an anvil/backer on it then whack it with a hammer, thin sheet metal wouldn't be a problem, as long as it's not roofing tin 14 gauge stuff. Faster than a drill and far neater hole. www.amazon.com/dp/B000Q7AVL0www.amazon.com/dp/B0002T87E0 View Quote |
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We've informally started discussing how to melt the plexiglass into the shape of our cockpit cabin windows.
One thing we did to help both the CAD students finish the cockpit, and give us more information on the contours was not have the lathe cut out the sections where the windows are in the cockpit. We plan to skin right over where they are, then go back and draw in the lines. We think this will help us get the proper shape, as the cut out piece could then be used as a stencil on the glass. Melting it is where we are a little lost. My thought now is we may draw out the windows, cut a slightly larger piece of glass, overlay it on the skin and heat it up, pressing it down on the skin to form. Heating it with a heat gun is the plan. Trying to cut after would be pretty difficult. This is all well and good if we don't set the drawing board on fire. I guess we will have to do some testing in the vent booth and see how much it can stand when heating the plexiglass over top. Someone also had the idea of casting the contours, but I'm not sure how we are going to get that done accurately, and to withstand heat any better. If we are lucky enough to manage a thin layer of clay, fire it without it collapsing or warping slightly, we could easily put it in the kiln with the plexiglass and let it melt to shape with even heat. Maybe let a thicker layer of clay dry up on the frame/fuselage? Do one for each window? We are still a bit away from this but it will probably be one of the most challenging aspects of this entire project. |
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We've informally started discussing how to melt the plexiglass into the shape of our cockpit cabin windows. One thing we did to help both the CAD students finish the cockpit, and give us more information on the contours was not have the lathe cut out the sections where the windows are in the cockpit. We plan to skin right over where they are, then go back and draw in the lines. We think this will help us get the proper shape, as the cut out piece could then be used as a stencil on the glass. Melting it is where we are a little lost. My thought now is we may draw out the windows, cut a slightly larger piece of glass, overlay it on the skin and heat it up, pressing it down on the skin to form. Heating it with a heat gun is the plan. Trying to cut after would be pretty difficult. This is all well and good if we don't set the drawing board on fire. I guess we will have to do some testing in the vent booth and see how much it can stand when heating the plexiglass over top. Someone also had the idea of casting the contours, but I'm not sure how we are going to get that done accurately, and to withstand heat any better. If we are lucky enough to manage a thin layer of clay, fire it without it collapsing or warping slightly, we could easily put it in the kiln with the plexiglass and let it melt to shape with even heat. Maybe let a thicker layer of clay dry up on the frame/fuselage? Do one for each window? We are still a bit away from this but it will probably be one of the most challenging aspects of this entire project. View Quote
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Quoted: Our rivet supply is about exhausted again. I ordered some before Christmas, but they are on a slow boat from China....literally. View Quote |
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Quoted: How about a diy vacuum form? Make a mold from some rigid foam, then trim to fit after its formed. All kinds of DIY videos on ebay. Use thinner plastic meant for thermoforming. I'm sure it would be useful on future projects too. www.amazon.com/dp/B0015H4B84 View Quote |
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Quoted: Our rivet supply is about exhausted again. I ordered some before Christmas, but they are on a slow boat from China....literally. |
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That flag is made in my hometown! Keep up the great work as always!
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We've informally started discussing how to melt the plexiglass into the shape of our cockpit cabin windows. One thing we did to help both the CAD students finish the cockpit, and give us more information on the contours was not have the lathe cut out the sections where the windows are in the cockpit. We plan to skin right over where they are, then go back and draw in the lines. We think this will help us get the proper shape, as the cut out piece could then be used as a stencil on the glass. Melting it is where we are a little lost. My thought now is we may draw out the windows, cut a slightly larger piece of glass, overlay it on the skin and heat it up, pressing it down on the skin to form. Heating it with a heat gun is the plan. Trying to cut after would be pretty difficult. This is all well and good if we don't set the drawing board on fire. I guess we will have to do some testing in the vent booth and see how much it can stand when heating the plexiglass over top. Someone also had the idea of casting the contours, but I'm not sure how we are going to get that done accurately, and to withstand heat any better. If we are lucky enough to manage a thin layer of clay, fire it without it collapsing or warping slightly, we could easily put it in the kiln with the plexiglass and let it melt to shape with even heat. Maybe let a thicker layer of clay dry up on the frame/fuselage? Do one for each window? We are still a bit away from this but it will probably be one of the most challenging aspects of this entire project. View Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZVz4asH9oo --Make a Form to heat and push it down to match? Maybe before you cut out the windows on the fuselage itself, so the glass fits right where the paper was. (*lots of gloves involved, attached to lots of hands *) |
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Quoted: We've informally started discussing how to melt the plexiglass into the shape of our cockpit cabin windows. One thing we did to help both the CAD students finish the cockpit, and give us more information on the contours was not have the lathe cut out the sections where the windows are in the cockpit. We plan to skin right over where they are, then go back and draw in the lines. We think this will help us get the proper shape, as the cut out piece could then be used as a stencil on the glass. Melting it is where we are a little lost. My thought now is we may draw out the windows, cut a slightly larger piece of glass, overlay it on the skin and heat it up, pressing it down on the skin to form. Heating it with a heat gun is the plan. Trying to cut after would be pretty difficult. This is all well and good if we don't set the drawing board on fire. I guess we will have to do some testing in the vent booth and see how much it can stand when heating the plexiglass over top. Someone also had the idea of casting the contours, but I'm not sure how we are going to get that done accurately, and to withstand heat any better. If we are lucky enough to manage a thin layer of clay, fire it without it collapsing or warping slightly, we could easily put it in the kiln with the plexiglass and let it melt to shape with even heat. Maybe let a thicker layer of clay dry up on the frame/fuselage? Do one for each window? We are still a bit away from this but it will probably be one of the most challenging aspects of this entire project. View Quote |
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interesting video
Vacuum forming...failures and success! This is more of a primer, and probably more helpful. Perhaps somewhat tedious, though. DIY Vacuum Forming - Complete Video Guide |
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Hello new Student Teacher
Be inspired by this teacher. I am. That flag is AWESOME Guns. |
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I thought the submarine had a lot of rivets... Didn't get the full scope until the photos above.
Have you decided on a hole creation method and a windshield bending plan yet? |
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I thought the submarine had a lot of rivets... Didn't get the full scope until the photos above. Have you decided on a hole creation method and a windshield bending plan yet? View Quote The side windows will be an easier start, and those are moving closer to the top of our list. We are going to have a student visit the welding shop today and discuss the holes through the roofing tin with the instructor. He might have a punch set that will work. |
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From TN welcome new teacher
Guns has been voted bestest teacher in the world for the last 6 years or so What does she think of all the previous projects? any 1 favorite for her; at 1st glance? |
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+ 45.00 spray paint, pvc, _________________________ $2268.00 . total for materials as of 12/13 We think we may get some plywood donated to finish up the top cowlings, and cockpit sections of the helo. View Quote ______________________________ $2418.00 total as of 1/8/19 |
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looking good Guns!
From someone who sees them being built everyday, it is almost like looking down final assembly with the work you are doing |
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Update 1/8 Busy day again, but the students are getting much accomplished. Having more time to consult with students is nice. The football is getting an inside skin layer to enclose the original football skin. We decided to leave it to give a little more structure. We also laid out where the screen goes and needs cut out. https://i.imgur.com/wjGuq7z.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aEH3Nw0.jpg My muralist is doing outstanding work. This gal can seriously paint. https://i.imgur.com/ycV1GmJ.jpg More and more details to the contours on the Blackhawk side shocktower cover. https://i.imgur.com/T3Qm7q0.jpg Windows being cut out of the sliding door. She added some structure to the edges later in the day. We aren't exactly sure what we have to attach to this to make it hang on the track. We may still have to add to the structure before we are all said and done. https://i.imgur.com/zbMKYyU.jpg Some gluing to secure the blades on the tail rotor today. We did this so we could then attach out little metal brackets that will attach to the outside star that sits on top of the tail rotor shaft. https://i.imgur.com/zZh0vZm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NCKV7cS.jpg I found a leather punch in my tools, and a student messed around to see if it would work. The punch is small, so I'm not sure we will use it, but it did work. This is about a 1/2" hole. https://i.imgur.com/QWv4K9q.jpg We got serious about the ribbing for contours on the nose section, but we managed to upset a few folks with out noise level. I made some apologies this afternoon and told them we would only be another day or two with this. https://i.imgur.com/CKoIO3l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ELBQudl.jpg We ended up ripping out ribs to 1/8th inch instead of 1/4". This allowed us to get better curves. https://i.imgur.com/uNyYQ3Q.jpg Unfortunately, this is where we realized we should have placed the ribs along the edges of the windows, instead of just where we wanted. Much work down the drain, and starting over tomorrow. We did get the center lines mapped out late this afternoon and have a starting point tomorrow. https://i.imgur.com/DpAPbRP.jpg This was a leadership failure. https://i.imgur.com/1zHKu5q.jpg View Quote Just an idear on how to mount windows that aren't perfect, even if a flow simulation was done, I doubt the lines would be right. Option 2: Cut the formed window with a jigsaw usinig a blade meant for plexigass, throw good masking tape or gaffer tape (less residue than duck tape) on both sides to reduce crack tendencies. |
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If you watched any vacuum forming videos, don't use plexiglass. it becomes brittle and cracks. You need to use PETG.
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If you watched any vacuum forming videos, don't use plexiglass. it becomes brittle and cracks. You need to use PETG. View Quote We will probably play with the plexiglass first and see how much of a disister it is, and go from thrre. |
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Update 1/8 Busy day again, but the students are getting much accomplished. Having more time to consult with students is nice. The football is getting an inside skin layer to enclose the original football skin. We decided to leave it to give a little more structure. We also laid out where the screen goes and needs cut out. https://i.imgur.com/wjGuq7z.jpg https://i.imgur.com/aEH3Nw0.jpg My muralist is doing outstanding work. This gal can seriously paint. https://i.imgur.com/ycV1GmJ.jpg More and more details to the contours on the Blackhawk side shocktower cover. https://i.imgur.com/T3Qm7q0.jpg Windows being cut out of the sliding door. She added some structure to the edges later in the day. We aren't exactly sure what we have to attach to this to make it hang on the track. We may still have to add to the structure before we are all said and done. https://i.imgur.com/zbMKYyU.jpg Some gluing to secure the blades on the tail rotor today. We did this so we could then attach out little metal brackets that will attach to the outside star that sits on top of the tail rotor shaft. https://i.imgur.com/zZh0vZm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NCKV7cS.jpg I found a leather punch in my tools, and a student messed around to see if it would work. The punch is small, so I'm not sure we will use it, but it did work. This is about a 1/2" hole. https://i.imgur.com/QWv4K9q.jpg We got serious about the ribbing for contours on the nose section, but we managed to upset a few folks with out noise level. I made some apologies this afternoon and told them we would only be another day or two with this. https://i.imgur.com/CKoIO3l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ELBQudl.jpg We ended up ripping out ribs to 1/8th inch instead of 1/4". This allowed us to get better curves. https://i.imgur.com/uNyYQ3Q.jpg Unfortunately, this is where we realized we should have placed the ribs along the edges of the windows, instead of just where we wanted. Much work down the drain, and starting over tomorrow. We did get the center lines mapped out late this afternoon and have a starting point tomorrow. https://i.imgur.com/DpAPbRP.jpg This was a leadership failure. https://i.imgur.com/1zHKu5q.jpg View Quote For contours, have you ever played with superglue and fiberglass? lets a contoured "rib" be made in place, but accelerator helps once it's just right. This also works to fix plastic crack almost- permanently, fiberglass goes on nearly clear. |
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Quoted: Sharpen the punch, or get a new one of the correct size, and it won't deform the metal as much. I hit on a chunk of 2x4 or (former) self-healing mat that doesn't quite heal after a bunch of hits and get clean holes. That's with 1/16" copper, softer and a little thinner than what you're using. For contours, have you ever played with superglue and fiberglass? lets a contoured "rib" be made in place, but accelerator helps once it's just right. This also works to fix plastic crack almost- permanently, fiberglass goes on nearly clear. View Quote We may need to use that same method for around the shocktower especially and other softer, subtle contours. |
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We were informed today that we did not win the Magna Award this year.
Thank you for entering your district program, Powell High School Multi-Disciplinary Installation Artwork, in the 2019 Magna Awards. I regret to inform you that your program did not win this year. The judges had a difficult time choosing among so many worthy entries.
I encourage you to apply for next year’s awards. Regards, Kathleen Kathleen Vail Director of Publications National School Boards Association American School Board Journal View Quote |
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