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He says hes 100% sure it's a hardware problem because the program works when the motor shield isn't installed.
The pins he cut, he thinks may still be long enough to still be sticking down into the pin on the arduino, so hes going to try to grind them down a bit more and add tape over them? |
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Physicslly turning on the motors triggers the interrupts. Not sure why this is happening. He tested a few theories, adding in a slight delay, but it didnt make a difference. Adding the interrupts is causing the problem. We didnt have that error until they were added in. We ended the night without success. He says something in the shield is triggering the interrupts when the motors turn on. He doesn't know what. Hes going to email his professors and hope they might have some insight. |
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Where do the stagecoach, the dragon, the longboat, and the Sopwith fit in?
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He says arduino does have an internal pullup resistor. The shield was using pins 2 and 3 for chip select, and 2 and 3 are the only pins on an arduino uno that can be used as hardware interrupts. . He soldered to wires from 2 to 10 and 3 to 11, then cut the pins 2 and 3 from the shield to the arduino. The weird thing is they are still pulling low, triggering the interrupts. No where in the program are the pins 2 and 3 being used, but they are still pulling low. The guess is the shield is pulling them. We are about to head over for another session of fix it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is my know nothing explanation....He ran into a problem with what he thinks is the motor shield. He isolated pins 2 and 3 on the arduino for the hardware interrupts, but they are still drawing down causing the interrupts to trigger, shutting off the doors. We had to give up last night. He thinks maybe there may be a slight change the pins are still touching the shield, as the error doesn't happen when the sheild is not on. Hes tried it on two different arduinos thinking one might be broken, but as soon as the sheild is added, the error occurs on those pins. Hes going to try to cover the ends of the pins and see if it keeps the pins from shutting off the doors. After that... we dont know what to do. The shield was using pins 2 and 3 for chip select, and 2 and 3 are the only pins on an arduino uno that can be used as hardware interrupts. . He soldered to wires from 2 to 10 and 3 to 11, then cut the pins 2 and 3 from the shield to the arduino. The weird thing is they are still pulling low, triggering the interrupts. No where in the program are the pins 2 and 3 being used, but they are still pulling low. The guess is the shield is pulling them. We are about to head over for another session of fix it. If they're still going low, might be a typo in the code. If writing directly to registers using hex values, he could have had the bits off a bit on hex digit. Fundamental issue: If he loads the old code back onto it, does it work? If so, diff -C2 oldcoce.c newcode.c Look for lines, included libraries, "forgot abut that' commands, etc. |
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New theory.... Physicslly turning on the motors triggers the interrupts. Not sure why this is happening. He tested a few theories, adding in a slight delay, but it didnt make a difference. Adding the interrupts is causing the problem. We didnt have that error until they were added in. We ended the night without success. He says something in the shield is triggering the interrupts when the motors turn on. He doesn't know what. Hes going to email his professors and hope they might have some insight. View Quote Put a 0.1 uF cap between power and ground, and another across each wire leading to the motor, and another across the wires at the motor. Link is what I use, I tend to buy lots since they're used everywhere, but I don't think you need 1,000 of them, but having them in surface mount as well ad a ton with leads makes filtering a lot faster and easier (compared to SMD). ~3 days from digikey to you. Here's a kit that could come in handy by the time you add shipping.. Sadly. MLCC/multilayer ceramic is what you look for, preferably Kemet, but that's sort of wanting best there is, most will work fine if they are the rated value, should say "104" on it (10, 4 zeroes = 100000 picofarad = 100 nanofarad = 0.1uF) I generally don't trust unknown vendors, but these aren't critical. This also includes the 10uF I mentioned above, so good to go and your kid has enough caps to play with for maybe a year of projects.
The motors will work as generators when power is cut since that's what inductors do, a motor is a big inductor. There's also the kinetic aspect, where power is cut, motor is spun from mass of system, it generates an opposite polarity voltage back to board which can mess with the controller. Have a diode in parallel with the cap, cathode to + for each motor. Also, add a 10-100uF cap to the V+ line to ground on both arduino board and motor controller, both 3.3v and 5v (I don't know if Arduino has 4.4, but if it does, it's just 2 extra capacitors. You'll want the 0.1 in there even if you add a bulk cap of >10uF due to the way capacitors are constructed. A ceramic 0.1uF cap is better at filtering high frequencies than a surge storage cap, there's enough on this topic to fill a few libraries, so have him check into that. Long term interference is my guess if the old software doesn't work. Possibly bad driver board, (now that it's been 'fixed') who knows. Is the code for the motor driving library open source? There could be something in there pulling the pins 2/3 low, which would overcome a pullup resistor. Again, what changed, when, etc. You said it was working until he fixed it. That's a GOOD sign. He's showing traits of being an engineer! You Never learn anything or how stuff works if everything you do works right the first time. |
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Quoted: If not needed, add a 10k pullup resistor to +V If they're still going low, might be a typo in the code. If writing directly to registers using hex values, he could have had the bits off a bit on hex digit. Fundamental issue: If he loads the old code back onto it, does it work? If so, diff -C2 oldcoce.c newcode.c Look for lines, included libraries, "forgot abut that' commands, etc. View Quote When I was doing engine tuning years ago and had a sick engine that wouldn't run right even though all the hardware checked out, I had a "known good" cal I'd put in and check for proper baseline performance. 9 times out of 10 it ran fine and the cause of the issue was something in my software. |
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I was going to ask the same question...does it work with the old code? When I was doing engine tuning years ago and had a sick engine that wouldn't run right even though all the hardware checked out, I had a "known good" cal I'd put in and check for proper baseline performance. 9 times out of 10 it ran fine and the cause of the issue was something in my software. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: If not needed, add a 10k pullup resistor to +V If they're still going low, might be a typo in the code. If writing directly to registers using hex values, he could have had the bits off a bit on hex digit. Fundamental issue: If he loads the old code back onto it, does it work? If so, diff -C2 oldcoce.c newcode.c Look for lines, included libraries, "forgot abut that' commands, etc. When I was doing engine tuning years ago and had a sick engine that wouldn't run right even though all the hardware checked out, I had a "known good" cal I'd put in and check for proper baseline performance. 9 times out of 10 it ran fine and the cause of the issue was something in my software. We had the new IR switch working too until the interrupts were added. |
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New theory.... Physicslly turning on the motors triggers the interrupts. Not sure why this is happening. He tested a few theories, adding in a slight delay, but it didnt make a difference. Adding the interrupts is causing the problem. We didnt have that error until they were added in. We ended the night without success. He says something in the shield is triggering the interrupts when the motors turn on. He doesn't know what. Hes going to email his professors and hope they might have some insight. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'm going with the motors are generating an RF signal that is strong enough to be interpreted as a legit interrupt. Mind you, it's been close to 30 years since I worked on actual electronics... View Quote He's reading this thread now, and said the ideas are helpful. He's ordered some capacitors. After talking to him tonight, he says yes, he does think there is interference. |
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I was looking for something else in our curio cabinet and found some souvenirs that had been gifted to my father when he worked for the State Republican Party. The box in between the cufflinks is M&Ms candy (well, they were, they sound kind of disintegrated now) with a facsimile of George Bush's (41) signature, and the match book is from the same time. @guns762, PM me your mailing address and I'll send them to you for the display. (I'm keeping the cuff links. Sorry.) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74363/IMG_20190110_074655120_jpg-802800.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74363/IMG_20190110_074606076_jpg-802801.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74363/IMG_20190110_074612218_jpg-802803.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/74363/IMG_20190110_074627093_jpg-802804.JPG View Quote You didn't know this, but my wife and I binge watched Game of Thrones during Christmas break, Season 1-7. We are hooked now. I've been teasing my sons, who are big fans, that I was going to shoot a wolf and make a cloak to wear everywhere. Now I have a title to go along with it. |
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Quoted: Remember when I was talking about long wires and interference issues a few years ago? Put a 0.1 uF cap between power and ground, and another across each wire leading to the motor, and another across the wires at the motor. Link is what I use, I tend to buy lots since they're used everywhere, but I don't think you need 1,000 of them, but having them in surface mount as well ad a ton with leads makes filtering a lot faster and easier (compared to SMD). ~3 days from digikey to you. Here's a kit that could come in handy by the time you add shipping.. Sadly. MLCC/multilayer ceramic is what you look for, preferably Kemet, but that's sort of wanting best there is, most will work fine if they are the rated value, should say "104" on it (10, 4 zeroes = 100000 picofarad = 100 nanofarad = 0.1uF) I generally don't trust unknown vendors, but these aren't critical. This also includes the 10uF I mentioned above, so good to go and your kid has enough caps to play with for maybe a year of projects. www.amazon.com/dp/B01M16M7ZQThe motors will work as generators when power is cut since that's what inductors do, a motor is a big inductor. There's also the kinetic aspect, where power is cut, motor is spun from mass of system, it generates an opposite polarity voltage back to board which can mess with the controller. Have a diode in parallel with the cap, cathode to + for each motor. Also, add a 10-100uF cap to the V+ line to ground on both arduino board and motor controller, both 3.3v and 5v (I don't know if Arduino has 4.4, but if it does, it's just 2 extra capacitors. You'll want the 0.1 in there even if you add a bulk cap of >10uF due to the way capacitors are constructed. A ceramic 0.1uF cap is better at filtering high frequencies than a surge storage cap, there's enough on this topic to fill a few libraries, so have him check into that. Long term interference is my guess if the old software doesn't work. Possibly bad driver board, (now that it's been 'fixed') who knows. Is the code for the motor driving library open source? There could be something in there pulling the pins 2/3 low, which would overcome a pullup resistor. Again, what changed, when, etc. You said it was working until he fixed it. That's a GOOD sign. He's showing traits of being an engineer! You Never learn anything or how stuff works if everything you do works right the first time. View Quote |
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You Sir, have me rolling today. Than you @redoubt !! You didn't know this, but my wife and I binge watched Game of Thrones during Christmas break, Season 1-7. We are hooked now. I've been teasing my sons, who are big fans, that I was going to shoot a wolf and make a cloak to wear everywhere. Now I have a title to go along with it. https://i.imgur.com/E4oJ8kr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sME6MFT.jpg View Quote That right there is a Title! |
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You Sir, have me rolling today. Than you @redoubt !! You didn't know this, but my wife and I binge watched Game of Thrones during Christmas break, Season 1-7. We are hooked now. I've been teasing my sons, who are big fans, that I was going to shoot a wolf and make a cloak to wear everywhere. Now I have a title to go along with it. https://i.imgur.com/E4oJ8kr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sME6MFT.jpg View Quote The Right Honorable Jim Gilman, Art Teacher Extraordinaire, Shaper of Minds, Solver of Conundrums, Purveyor of Clothing, Raiser of Funds, Terror of Riveters, Defender of Taxidermy, Father of Unicorns (and a Dragon), First of His Name. Maybe @GoatBoy can shoehorn that into your user title. |
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He told me at lunch he ordered some capacitors, and appreciated your advice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Remember when I was talking about long wires and interference issues a few years ago? Put a 0.1 uF cap between power and ground, and another across each wire leading to the motor, and another across the wires at the motor. Link is what I use, I tend to buy lots since they're used everywhere, but I don't think you need 1,000 of them, but having them in surface mount as well ad a ton with leads makes filtering a lot faster and easier (compared to SMD). ~3 days from digikey to you. Here's a kit that could come in handy by the time you add shipping.. Sadly. MLCC/multilayer ceramic is what you look for, preferably Kemet, but that's sort of wanting best there is, most will work fine if they are the rated value, should say "104" on it (10, 4 zeroes = 100000 picofarad = 100 nanofarad = 0.1uF) I generally don't trust unknown vendors, but these aren't critical. This also includes the 10uF I mentioned above, so good to go and your kid has enough caps to play with for maybe a year of projects. www.amazon.com/dp/B01M16M7ZQThe motors will work as generators when power is cut since that's what inductors do, a motor is a big inductor. There's also the kinetic aspect, where power is cut, motor is spun from mass of system, it generates an opposite polarity voltage back to board which can mess with the controller. Have a diode in parallel with the cap, cathode to + for each motor. Also, add a 10-100uF cap to the V+ line to ground on both arduino board and motor controller, both 3.3v and 5v (I don't know if Arduino has 4.4, but if it does, it's just 2 extra capacitors. You'll want the 0.1 in there even if you add a bulk cap of >10uF due to the way capacitors are constructed. A ceramic 0.1uF cap is better at filtering high frequencies than a surge storage cap, there's enough on this topic to fill a few libraries, so have him check into that. Long term interference is my guess if the old software doesn't work. Possibly bad driver board, (now that it's been 'fixed') who knows. Is the code for the motor driving library open source? There could be something in there pulling the pins 2/3 low, which would overcome a pullup resistor. Again, what changed, when, etc. You said it was working until he fixed it. That's a GOOD sign. He's showing traits of being an engineer! You Never learn anything or how stuff works if everything you do works right the first time. Proof: Turn on a multi-meter, set to voltage mode, grab one lead, put other in air. I can get up to 0.14 V from just all the RF around (which some call 'free energy'), from all the cell towers, power supplies, power lines, and radio stations around providing signals. Now put a 100k resistor between the two leads and look at voltage when disconnected. Same thing, a cap removes anything remaining if it was tens/hundreds of millivolts, as a resistor's function doesn't change with a sudden signal change while capacitors are frequency sensitive. Combine them and it's a low pass filter, only 'slow' signals allowed. Slow defined by values of cap and resistor, still in kHz for this example. That inteference can be enough to trip an interrupt. If you add a 100k impedance (instead of the 10MOhm of a tri-state input), the interference doesn't have enough "current supply" (source impedance) to 'push the voltage' around more than a millivolt or two, which then goes to zero if the cap is added to ground on the interrupt line, response to interrupt delayed a microsecond, but better than false triggering. More of a trouble shooting step. Leave the caps across motor on both ends, one on motor end to stop interference before it goes down the wire creating RF, and one at the control board, to stop any residual from the filter on the far end, wire in between is a long inductor (aka Antenna). With the two caps and wire, a lowpass pi filter is created. On power leads, it keeps the supply voltage steady, so a motor suddenly starting doesn't trip it up, like how the house lights sometimes flicker when the compressor starts running. The bulk and bypass caps on all supply lines eliminate that 'flicker' of power change, since a fast power change (step response) creating ringing in a square wave. This is why even with digital electronics, analog and RF are still in effect and cannot be ignored by thinking "it's either 0 or 1". If high impedance input is floating, a motor start/stop would bump that over the Interrupt trigger level, creating an interrupt, which could then keep interrupting itself if interrupts aren't disabled immediately in interrupt routine, and then enabled right before exit, I'm not sure if Arduino does that automatically or not. The pullup or pulldown resistor will keep voltage as close to one rail as possible so stray interference can't bump it over the interrupt threshold value, and the caps prevent the step spike of a switch closing a long wire from becoming an oscillator. |
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As the years have gone by the level of difficulty and attention to detail in these projects just goes up and up. It's amazing to see the kids, not just doing it, but being enthusiastic about it. Jim, you are an amazing teacher and I know a lot of your students will think back to what teacher made a difference in their life and it will be you they think of. Thank you for what you do and sharing it with us.
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You Sir, have me rolling today. Than you @redoubt !! You didn't know this, but my wife and I binge watched Game of Thrones during Christmas break, Season 1-7. We are hooked now. I've been teasing my sons, who are big fans, that I was going to shoot a wolf and make a cloak to wear everywhere. Now I have a title to go along with it. https://i.imgur.com/E4oJ8kr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sME6MFT.jpg The Right Honorable Jim Gilman, Art Teacher Extraordinaire, Shaper of Minds, Solver of Conundrums, Purveyor of Clothing, Raiser of Funds, Terror of Riveters, Defender of Taxidermy, Father of Unicorns (and a Dragon), First of His Name. Maybe @GoatBoy can shoehorn that into your user title. My neighbor teacher is a GOT fan, and also a huge LOTR fan. I tease him with references purposely mixing the two. I showed him this today and he had a good laugh then for the next two classes, he made my class rise and read off the title. There were lots of these and many huge smiles as they caught the GOT reference. |
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Quoted: We had great fun with this today. My neighbor teacher is a GOT fan, and also a huge LOTR fan. I tease him with references purposely mixing the two. I showed him this today and he had a good laugh then for the next two classes, he made my class rise and read off the title. There were lots of these and many huge smiles as they caught the GOT reference. View Quote And one for the Space Shuttle Programmer: Attached File |
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Update 1/14 We made some progress today despite having several key students out because they were sick. The tail is getting closer to having the top contours finished. We will probably add some fiberglashish finish work when it's closer to done. https://i.imgur.com/5ONiM80.jpg We cut around the contour of the football to make it fit a little tighter to the skin. We will then add a bit more skin to close the gaps. https://i.imgur.com/JWptP3p.jpg https://i.imgur.com/491KteD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NlT5J1q.jpg We need a few cloudy days to get the other graphics next to ours. https://i.imgur.com/Rm9g6Yy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0doJx4B.jpg The rocket sled is really taking some time to get lined up and fit to the top of the fuselage. https://i.imgur.com/JQUPS39.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sbw7Vac.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cc3jXEl.jpg View Quote --ETA: Hello, TopMen, glad to see you not utterly failing. |
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Home Depot could be Rosie's best friend!! This is the style drill you need for the rivets. With this style (called Brad Point) you simply press the point on the line and drill slowly. It will stay true and will not walk. EBR https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/231737/Drill-808689.jpg View Quote |
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Guns, I am way late in saying that shirt arrived without a hitch but its another shirt I really wanted to thank you about. Long Side Story: The wife and I had been trying for our first child for a bit of time and had heartbreaks, before back in March she let me know that it had finally happened. When she let me know I happened to be wearing the Space Shuttle Shirt from a few years ago. I also happened to be wearing it about ten weeks later for a very scary late night trip to the emergency room. We came through that ok, and I started to make sure I was wearing it when we went to scans and doctor's appointments. That shirt went to every single appointment he had with the exception of the one weekly checkup I missed towards the end. At the beginning of December, my now lucky shuttle shirt was taken out of rotation and was packed in the Hospital bag. When some high blood pressure spikes forced us to induce labor a week early, I made sure I was wearing it before driving with my wife to the hospital. It was with us through approximately 30 hours of induced labor, and and hour and 45 minutes of active pushing before our son decided to come out. He is doing great and I wanted you to know that both my wife and I am very thankful for my "lucky" shirt all the way down here in Louisiana. The pic is at about 12 hours old, and was the first time the shirt was off in about two days. Thank you again and keep up the great work. https://i.imgur.com/lxm4Lk0.jpg End side story. TLDR: Guns is awesome View Quote Got it up in both rooms. |
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Guns, I am way late in saying that shirt arrived without a hitch but its another shirt I really wanted to thank you about. Long Side Story: The wife and I had been trying for our first child for a bit of time and had heartbreaks, before back in March she let me know that it had finally happened. When she let me know I happened to be wearing the Space Shuttle Shirt from a few years ago. I also happened to be wearing it about ten weeks later for a very scary late night trip to the emergency room. We came through that ok, and I started to make sure I was wearing it when we went to scans and doctor's appointments. That shirt went to every single appointment he had with the exception of the one weekly checkup I missed towards the end. At the beginning of December, my now lucky shuttle shirt was taken out of rotation and was packed in the Hospital bag. When some high blood pressure spikes forced us to induce labor a week early, I made sure I was wearing it before driving with my wife to the hospital. It was with us through approximately 30 hours of induced labor, and and hour and 45 minutes of active pushing before our son decided to come out. He is doing great and I wanted you to know that both my wife and I am very thankful for my "lucky" shirt all the way down here in Louisiana. The pic is at about 12 hours old, and was the first time the shirt was off in about two days. Thank you again and keep up the great work. https://i.imgur.com/lxm4Lk0.jpg End side story. TLDR: Guns is awesome View Quote Guns, you are the one with the fancy titles now, I think you get to make that proclamation instead of Pharaoh |
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Guns, I am way late in saying that shirt arrived without a hitch but its another shirt I really wanted to thank you about. Long Side Story: The wife and I had been trying for our first child for a bit of time and had heartbreaks, before back in March she let me know that it had finally happened. When she let me know I happened to be wearing the Space Shuttle Shirt from a few years ago. I also happened to be wearing it about ten weeks later for a very scary late night trip to the emergency room. We came through that ok, and I started to make sure I was wearing it when we went to scans and doctor's appointments. That shirt went to every single appointment he had with the exception of the one weekly checkup I missed towards the end. At the beginning of December, my now lucky shuttle shirt was taken out of rotation and was packed in the Hospital bag. When some high blood pressure spikes forced us to induce labor a week early, I made sure I was wearing it before driving with my wife to the hospital. It was with us through approximately 30 hours of induced labor, and and hour and 45 minutes of active pushing before our son decided to come out. He is doing great and I wanted you to know that both my wife and I am very thankful for my "lucky" shirt all the way down here in Louisiana. The pic is at about 12 hours old, and was the first time the shirt was off in about two days. Thank you again and keep up the great work. https://i.imgur.com/lxm4Lk0.jpg End side story. TLDR: Guns is awesome Guns, you are the one with the fancy titles now, I think you get to make that proclamation instead of Pharaoh I read that in Yul Brynner's voice. SO SAY WE ALL!! |
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Guns, I am way late in saying that shirt arrived without a hitch but its another shirt I really wanted to thank you about. Long Side Story: The wife and I had been trying for our first child for a bit of time and had heartbreaks, before back in March she let me know that it had finally happened. When she let me know I happened to be wearing the Space Shuttle Shirt from a few years ago. I also happened to be wearing it about ten weeks later for a very scary late night trip to the emergency room. We came through that ok, and I started to make sure I was wearing it when we went to scans and doctor's appointments. That shirt went to every single appointment he had with the exception of the one weekly checkup I missed towards the end. At the beginning of December, my now lucky shuttle shirt was taken out of rotation and was packed in the Hospital bag. When some high blood pressure spikes forced us to induce labor a week early, I made sure I was wearing it before driving with my wife to the hospital. It was with us through approximately 30 hours of induced labor, and and hour and 45 minutes of active pushing before our son decided to come out. He is doing great and I wanted you to know that both my wife and I am very thankful for my "lucky" shirt all the way down here in Louisiana. The pic is at about 12 hours old, and was the first time the shirt was off in about two days. Thank you again and keep up the great work. https://i.imgur.com/lxm4Lk0.jpg End side story. TLDR: Guns is awesome View Quote |
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We are getting close to time for base coat paint on the tail section. A few more rivets and lines, and we should be just about ready.
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We have 15 Amp 120V power on this one? You can have some impressive landing and search lights. Needs a big relay to make a loud,"CLICK," and only the incoming freshmen will not know to avert their eyes.
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From a quick Google search (Search term: model aircraft lighting systems). Just a place to start.
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We are getting close to time for base coat paint on the tail section. A few more rivets and lines, and we should be just about ready. The "Football" got it's first coat yesterday, and the contouring around it's mounting is also very close to finished. Yes, we still need lights. Anyone got any ideas for LEDs? View Quote Cockpit glow (greenish seems Appropriate, cabin lighting in red on BH side and "warm white" dimmed to nearly yellow on M1 side. Nav lights, landing light done the same way you did for the train, but with a cold blue LED much brighter. What's going to control the LEDs flashing/dimming/sequencing? Designed for bright/daylight only, or will night tours be a thing? --ETA: Will there be pilots to bounce the light off what's visible on head? With helmet and "driving helmet", covers most, so wouldn't need much - easy to sculpt in a week. Otherwise, maybe have it in a different mode for no ppilots... on ground? |
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LOTS. Cockpit glow (greenish seems Appropriate, cabin lighting in red on BH side and "warm white" dimmed to nearly yellow on M1 side. Nav lights, landing light done the same way you did for the train, but with a cold blue LED much brighter. What's going to control the LEDs flashing/dimming/sequencing? Designed for bright/daylight only, or will night tours be a thing? --ETA: Will there be pilots to bounce the light off what's visible on head? With helmet and "driving helmet", covers most, so wouldn't need much - easy to sculpt in a week. Otherwise, maybe have it in a different mode for no ppilots... on ground? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We are getting close to time for base coat paint on the tail section. A few more rivets and lines, and we should be just about ready. The "Football" got it's first coat yesterday, and the contouring around it's mounting is also very close to finished. Yes, we still need lights. Anyone got any ideas for LEDs? Cockpit glow (greenish seems Appropriate, cabin lighting in red on BH side and "warm white" dimmed to nearly yellow on M1 side. Nav lights, landing light done the same way you did for the train, but with a cold blue LED much brighter. What's going to control the LEDs flashing/dimming/sequencing? Designed for bright/daylight only, or will night tours be a thing? --ETA: Will there be pilots to bounce the light off what's visible on head? With helmet and "driving helmet", covers most, so wouldn't need much - easy to sculpt in a week. Otherwise, maybe have it in a different mode for no ppilots... on ground? If there will be pilots, we will need 22-24" figures again. Is the glass on Marine One tinted? It looks different than other photographs of balckhawks? |
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Quoted: No tint that I'm aware of. Just thought of something. Since it's going to be viewed at an upward angle from the floor, put a red light on the M1 side/center of the cabin "ceiling" facing the BH side window, and a few yellowish LEDs on the BH side, angled toward the M1 side. Looking from the ground I don't know the angles, but you can guesstimate, put a shield on the backs so penumbra isn't too harsh, but it could be seen a light is on. The flight lights just do as a "helicopter" scheme is, No need to get fancy if BH and M1 have slightly different timing/patterns for fast night ID. I didn't see your post about successful Window created until just now. I thought I was at end of thread. Looking good, but I'd suggest adding a larger smooth layer on tail football, or maybe 'spherical triangle panels' as on half a basketball (or two lines of latitude form equator to pole, with equator as bottom of triangle, 3D-2D transform) to make the edge/ridge textures look more.. intended? --ETA: Pictures at level like this see through other window, so no tint unless it's recent. https://i.imgur.com/GKGyosQ.jpg View Quote |
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Since your dad's house is half underwater, maybe he should be shown in the rescue side of the helicopter???
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We'll talk about the "football's" texture today. Not sure it's going to get much smoother, but we can see if we can get big enough pieces that won't wrinkle on there and make a difference. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: No tint that I'm aware of. Just thought of something. Since it's going to be viewed at an upward angle from the floor, put a red light on the M1 side/center of the cabin "ceiling" facing the BH side window, and a few yellowish LEDs on the BH side, angled toward the M1 side. Looking from the ground I don't know the angles, but you can guesstimate, put a shield on the backs so penumbra isn't too harsh, but it could be seen a light is on. The flight lights just do as a "helicopter" scheme is, No need to get fancy if BH and M1 have slightly different timing/patterns for fast night ID. I didn't see your post about successful Window created until just now. I thought I was at end of thread. Looking good, but I'd suggest adding a larger smooth layer on tail football, or maybe 'spherical triangle panels' as on half a basketball (or two lines of latitude form equator to pole, with equator as bottom of triangle, 3D-2D transform) to make the edge/ridge textures look more.. intended? --ETA: Pictures at level like this see through other window, so no tint unless it's recent. https://i.imgur.com/GKGyosQ.jpg |
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If wrinkles end up there no matter what, just pinch them so they "point" toward the center, or perpendicular to it, like lat/long again. Little thing like that makes it seem more "oh, it's supposed to be like that" instead of "couldn't quite match the shape there". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: No tint that I'm aware of. Just thought of something. Since it's going to be viewed at an upward angle from the floor, put a red light on the M1 side/center of the cabin "ceiling" facing the BH side window, and a few yellowish LEDs on the BH side, angled toward the M1 side. Looking from the ground I don't know the angles, but you can guesstimate, put a shield on the backs so penumbra isn't too harsh, but it could be seen a light is on. The flight lights just do as a "helicopter" scheme is, No need to get fancy if BH and M1 have slightly different timing/patterns for fast night ID. I didn't see your post about successful Window created until just now. I thought I was at end of thread. Looking good, but I'd suggest adding a larger smooth layer on tail football, or maybe 'spherical triangle panels' as on half a basketball (or two lines of latitude form equator to pole, with equator as bottom of triangle, 3D-2D transform) to make the edge/ridge textures look more.. intended? --ETA: Pictures at level like this see through other window, so no tint unless it's recent. https://i.imgur.com/GKGyosQ.jpg BTW - Nice shoes. I'm not a shoe guy, but my co-worker has a shoe fetish from hell. If I was to tell him that those boots were on a girl, he would "Hnnnngggg". |
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I'd skim coat the football with bondo. BTW - Nice shoes. I'm not a shoe guy, but my co-worker has a shoe fetish from hell. If I was to tell him that those boots were on a girl, he would "Hnnnngggg". https://i.gyazo.com/974ad2ca13fafb84fe3e5e337b7804d6.png View Quote |
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