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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:41:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. ETA: Look at the weather for the area. 40s at night and even some rain. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:43:33 AM EST
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Nothing of what you stated, refuted my statement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All possible. Or, it's an anti government loon who snapped. Plenty of leftwing crackpots, kooks, nutbags and loons at occupy, copblock and FSP. Jerad and Amanda Miller voted for Obama in 08 and Gary Johnson in 2012. http://c4ss.org/content/category/left-libertarian-classics Nothing of what you stated, refuted my statement. I wasn't refuting your statement. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:45:01 AM EST
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For what it is worth, I'll vouche for 40xb-shooters character, he is a good one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. For what it is worth, I'll vouche for 40xb-shooters character, he is a good one. He's a good guy but that wasn't his best moment. At all. That kind of post is out of line--by anyone and everyone. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:46:49 AM EST
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All possible. Or, it's an anti government loon who snapped. Plenty of leftwing crackpots, kooks, nutbags and loons at occupy, copblock and FSP. Jerad and Amanda Miller voted for Obama in 08 and Gary Johnson in 2012. http://c4ss.org/content/category/left-libertarian-classics Nothing of what you stated, refuted my statement. I wasn't refuting your statement. Understood. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:50:25 AM EST
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It's been 5 days. In real life spending 5 days in the woods in the same general area as your crime scene doesn't work out very well. Spending 5 days in those woods alone is awful, doing it with every LEO in the area looking for you is insane. Like I said, if he is alive he is long gone. ETA: Look at the weather for the area. 40s at night and even some rain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. ETA: Look at the weather for the area. 40s at night and even some rain. Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:02:42 AM EST
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I had a client who decided to rip someone off on a drug deal. The other guy pulled into a lot and was surrounded by "my guy" and accomplices. They drew pistols and told him to hand over the money. He stomped on the gas and left robbers all staring at each other, as they all thought the other guy would shoot. They then scatter and my guy loses his wallet with driver's license climbing over a fence around the lot. Victim calls the police and says how he was just out for a drive in the ghetto in a vacant lot at 2am and was almost robbed, police drive by and find a wallet.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought about it and I don't like this one bit. Guy leaves his DL, SS card, and brass? I don't know many people that routinely carry their SS card around with them. I almost would put money on him having another identity ready to go. Plus he still has at least one weapon with him right? Nobody just walks around after a shooting open carrying a rifle. I think he had another vehicle in another location or an accomplice in a vehicle and was long gone. Either that or he is still in the woods, but I doubt it. Pretty typical when you're running from the scene of a crime. Your mind tends to wander, and you forget a lot of shit. I got called to a gas station for a possible fraudulent credit card a couple months ago. When I got there, the clerk says he asked for the customers ID when the credit card wasn't signed on the back, looks at the ID, and slides the ID back to the customer. He swiped the credit card, it says declined, and he notices the last four digits on the credit card are different than what popped up on his terminal screen. He says to the guy "Hey I think this credit card is stolen" and the guy runs out the door, leaving his ID sitting on the counter. When I caught up to the guy at his house 2 towns away an hour later, he had all the equipment for cloning credit cards in his van. That's just the most recent of my "Why I'm a dumbass" stories. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:03:01 AM EST
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I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. In the summer, sure. In the winter, no fucking way. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:05:16 AM EST
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I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. Why ? While there is some ways to minimize detection from FLIR it seems that being in an isolated place like the woods where few humans are would be a more likely spot to be found than say it town where people are everywhere. You could be hiding in a guy's basement, and its unlikely you'd ever be detected unless someone manually searched the place. The woods are a different story. Much bigger noticeable footprint. Unless I am missing something... |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:06:58 AM EST
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Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. ETA: Look at the weather for the area. 40s at night and even some rain. Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. 5 days would suck unprepared. With some work to prepare it wouldn't be so bad. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:09:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5 days would suck unprepared. With some work to prepare it wouldn't be so bad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. 5 days would suck unprepared. With some work to prepare it wouldn't be so bad. ETA: You want a well thought out place to look for him? I'd be investigating places he played airsoft and looking at ones that are relatively isolated in rural areas with structures on the premises. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:18:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. I would rather be in a mall. Or a theater. Or any other place miles away with lots of other people so there is no reason to get singled out. It is possible that he was set up, if he isn't found there is that slight chance that he is in a grave somewhere or in a pile of pig shit.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:19:27 AM EST
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Why ? While there is some ways to minimize detection from FLIR it seems that being in an isolated place like the woods where few humans are would be a more likely spot to be found than say it town where people are everywhere. You could be hiding in a guy's basement, and its unlikely you'd ever be detected unless someone manually searched the place. The woods are a different story. Much bigger noticeable footprint. Unless I am missing something... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. Why ? While there is some ways to minimize detection from FLIR it seems that being in an isolated place like the woods where few humans are would be a more likely spot to be found than say it town where people are everywhere. You could be hiding in a guy's basement, and its unlikely you'd ever be detected unless someone manually searched the place. The woods are a different story. Much bigger noticeable footprint. Unless I am missing something... 
see how the parts of the critter behind the tree don't show up? I imagine that if bad guy crawled into a thicket or just stood under a big, broad, leafy tree, they wouldn't be able to spot him. Granted, I don't really know what the forest is like there, but it's been described as "dense". Could it be dense enough to hide IR while you hiked? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:32:23 AM EST
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Unless the guy built a bunker or some other unlikely thing I doubt he is in the woods. Even 5 MREs takes up a a lot of space. Not to even get started on 5 days worth of water. To stave off hypothermia in 40 degree weather guy is at minimum in a good sleeping bag. That's a lot of gear to be humping with people looking for you. ETA: You want a well thought out place to look for him? I'd be investigating places he played airsoft and looking at ones that are relatively isolated in rural areas with structures on the premises. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. 5 days would suck unprepared. With some work to prepare it wouldn't be so bad. ETA: You want a well thought out place to look for him? I'd be investigating places he played airsoft and looking at ones that are relatively isolated in rural areas with structures on the premises. Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:38:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:42:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he is following the path I think he is he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. That sort isn't the type to bug in at the crime scene. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:45:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. 5 days would suck unprepared. With some work to prepare it wouldn't be so bad. ETA: You want a well thought out place to look for him? I'd be investigating places he played airsoft and looking at ones that are relatively isolated in rural areas with structures on the premises. Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:50:21 AM EST
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If he is following the path I think he is he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. That sort isn't the type to bug in at the crime scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. Oh I'm not saying he did that, just that it could be done easily enough. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:51:04 AM EST
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Agreed. 5 days in the woods would suck, and he'd be stupid to remain so near the scene of his crime. Mine was just an observation about the limits of FLIR in good tree cover. 5 days would suck unprepared. With some work to prepare it wouldn't be so bad. ETA: You want a well thought out place to look for him? I'd be investigating places he played airsoft and looking at ones that are relatively isolated in rural areas with structures on the premises. Water is easy in a lot of areas. I bet there is plenty of water in PA, it isn't a desert. Food does take up space, but part of what I meant by prepare is pre stashed gear along your path. Heck with the right hiding place he could hole up for a month with pre hidden supplies while the heat cools off. Exactly water really isn't a problem unless you're in the middle of Utah or something. Most areas back south/east it shouldn't be trouble at all. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:59:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Er, huh? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If he is following the path I think he is he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. That sort isn't the type to bug in at the crime scene. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:12:08 AM EST
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Look at what he has done with his life, what his parents have said about him, and his actions. Maybe I'm reading way too much into it but I'm seeing a lot of contempt and smugness. If he isn't dead in the woods the little shit probably thinks he is going to get away with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he is following the path I think he is he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. That sort isn't the type to bug in at the crime scene. If he is still alive now I doubt that. He probably thought that at first but five days of being hunted in the woods after his plan fell apart has got to be demoralizing. I'm sure he realizes he's fucked. If he hasn't committed suicide. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:17:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he is still alive now I doubt that. He probably thought that at first but five days of being hunted in the woods after his plan fell apart has got to be demoralizing. I'm sure he realizes he's fucked. If he hasn't committed suicide. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Look at what he has done with his life, what his parents have said about him, and his actions. Maybe I'm reading way too much into it but I'm seeing a lot of contempt and smugness. If he isn't dead in the woods the little shit probably thinks he is going to get away with it. If he is still alive now I doubt that. He probably thought that at first but five days of being hunted in the woods after his plan fell apart has got to be demoralizing. I'm sure he realizes he's fucked. If he hasn't committed suicide. ETA: The guy is also extremely dangerous. He obviously didn't shoot the cops and think "O shit what have I done". Instead he waited for first responders and fired on the ambulance. So we have a guy that thinks people should die, is probably well versed in small unit tactics even if he has no combat experience, probably studied E&E, planned it out, thought about it, and went all the way through with it. If he thinks he was justified in killing cops in the first place he wouldn't have any reason to kill himself if that view hasn't changed. So we now have a guy on the loose that we know is capable of killing people with aimed rifle fire and has openly expressed a desire to commit mass murder. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:24:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my point. I don't think he has been hunted in the woods for 5 days. I think he is either long gone or killed himself the day of the shooting after his jeep got stuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Look at what he has done with his life, what his parents have said about him, and his actions. Maybe I'm reading way too much into it but I'm seeing a lot of contempt and smugness. If he isn't dead in the woods the little shit probably thinks he is going to get away with it. If he is still alive now I doubt that. He probably thought that at first but five days of being hunted in the woods after his plan fell apart has got to be demoralizing. I'm sure he realizes he's fucked. If he hasn't committed suicide. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:28:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on his actions this far, I think he is too much of a pussy to off himself. He will be found, he will pull a "suicide by cop" move. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:05:32 AM EST
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3....2....1... as this story will disappear as it does not fit the media profile.
PA Trooper Shooter Suspect Has MySpace Reference To Che Guevara, 13th Guards (Soviet Red Army Rifle Division) https://myspace.com/ericguy/connections/out |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:18:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3....2....1... as this story will disappear as it does not fit the media profile. PA Trooper Shooter Suspect Has MySpace Reference To Che Guevara, 13th Guards (Soviet Red Army Rifle Division) https://myspace.com/ericguy/connections/out |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:21:48 AM EST
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3....2....1... as this story will disappear as it does not fit the media profile. PA Trooper Shooter Suspect Has MySpace Reference To Che Guevara, 13th Guards (Soviet Red Army Rifle Division) https://myspace.com/ericguy/connections/out Crazy people? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:31:59 AM EST
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FALSE FLAG OP Accidently leaves shell casings that match the ones at the scene, in his vehicle, along with ID? Yeah, okay. Just like they found Mohammed Atta's passport amongst the dust at the WTC. Call me cynical but I don't believe things are ever what they seem anymore. Oh, and to the guy who posted EFAD a couple pages back, a big +1 So, EFAD -- the European Federation of the Association of Dietitians was responsible? How many triangles did that take, Kenneth? 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:04:30 AM EST
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3....2....1... as this story will disappear as it does not fit the media profile. PA Trooper Shooter Suspect Has MySpace Reference To Che Guevara, 13th Guards (Soviet Red Army Rifle Division) https://myspace.com/ericguy/connections/out Shocking, another liberal nut job. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:27:57 AM EST
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Oh, it's a joke? A joke commonly tossed out in murdered-cop threads?  I really don't see the humor in it. Maybe you can post it again later when you feel the time is "right." 
BTW, unless you think that this site advocates killing LE and acts of mass murder why/how the fuck would you (even as a lame-ass joke) attribute something that vile to this site & its members.  That really sucks.
The other guy who didn't edit his post probably thinks you're funny. Is he a cop too? Sad shit. Here's a mirror for you. Your own words. Feign that, funny guy.
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I wonder what the shooters screen name is? Disgusting.  Its a joke that has been used on this site for years. Good try though. I also edited it after another member mentioned to me that it might not be the right time. 
You might want to look at page one post 10 it might help you out with your feigned outrage. link BTW where do you think the police got the idea that he had been making threats to kill LE and acts of mass murder? I bet he had plenty of accounts at multiple sites. Oh, it's a joke? A joke commonly tossed out in murdered-cop threads? I really don't see the humor in it. Maybe you can post it again later when you feel the time is "right."
BTW, unless you think that this site advocates killing LE and acts of mass murder why/how the fuck would you (even as a lame-ass joke) attribute something that vile to this site & its members. That really sucks.
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Why should I admit and agree to something that is extremely statistically less likely than some nutjob who wants to kill two cops because he hates authority or is pissed he got a speeding ticket? Is it impossible of course not. It certainly isn't the first thing I would post in a fresh thread, about a shot cop, with no info or intel. Most people have the common decency to post this or this or even this Why can't you admit that it is a shitty thing to say and that he was wrong for saying it and implying it? Based on his posting habits in the past and later in this thread it isn't out of line to call him out for a post like that IMO. Feign that, funny guy.
Once again I can admit that it wasn't proper to post it. I have no idea if that other guy is a cop. Why would it matter? I don't care what you find humor in and yes it is a joke. A joke that has been used all over this site for years in a ton of different types of threads. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:32:32 AM EST
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Why should I admit and agree to something that is extremely statistically less likely than some nutjob who wants to kill two cops because he hates authority or is pissed he got a speeding ticket? Is it impossible of course not. It certainly isn't the first thing I would post in a fresh thread, about a shot cop, with no info or intel. Most people have the common decency to post this or this or even this Why can't you admit that it is a shitty thing to say and that he was wrong for saying it and implying it? Based on his posting habits in the past and later in this thread it isn't out of line to call him out for a post like that IMO. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332752 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332761 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332792 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332818 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332833 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332875 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332627 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=1#i49332983 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=2#i49333151 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=2#i49335140 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=2#i49333640 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=2#i49333657 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=3#i49337346 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=3#i49337832 http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665604_1_Trooper_Down_another_critical.html&page=3#i49337866 All of these posts (from just the first 3 pages) are people taking part in a rational discussion spurred on my that comment. Are they all anti-cop because they didn't automatically condemn the post as anti-cop? Edit: It's especially telling when Citadel-SC apologizes for initially reacting negatively to the post because he missed that it happened at the barracks. I don't care. It was a shitty thing to say right off the bat. For all I know he changed his tune between post 1 and 2 because he knew that starting that type of crap in a fallen officer thread was going to cause him issues. Go look at his posts on pages 4-6 or so. He goes right back to his natural posting style finding something wrong with how cops do this that or the other when one of their brothers was murdered and another one critically wounded. I guarantee you that he would not talk that way if this happened with a story in the military and it were soldiers who were shot. Just because it happened at the barracks still doesn't mean it was a LEO. All the departments around me do not have secured parking lots and any joe blow could drive up and start shooting. Remember signs and gun laws don't stop criminals. I never called the rest of the site cop killers. Though we know for a fact that many people on this site have been banned for advocating the death of police. This site has changed since I joined and if you don't think that the anti-LE element is seen by people who read it you are in for a big surprise. It actually could be considered a valid question even though it is commonly used as a joke on the site and has been for a few years now. Which is how I meant to imply it. Sorry that you can't see the difference. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:06:23 AM EST
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A guy that bat-shit crazy? Who knows what set him off. A bug might have told him to do it. He is a coward, a low-down fucking pussy. Sniping an innocent man from a distance. Ruining families and lives because he is a miserable piece of shit who is too much of a wimp to kill his self.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Any more info on why he decided to fo right now? Someone mentioned that he was from Ferguson, MO. Anyone think he got so worked up by the beatings, tasings, tear-gassing, and cargo-pants-wearing that he did this? A guy that bat-shit crazy? Who knows what set him off. A bug might have told him to do it. He is a coward, a low-down fucking pussy. Sniping an innocent man from a distance. Ruining families and lives because he is a miserable piece of shit who is too much of a wimp to kill his self. QFT |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:24:24 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:27:44 AM EST
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I thought about it and I don't like this one bit. Guy leaves his DL, SS card, and brass? I don't know many people that routinely carry their SS card around with them. I almost would put money on him having another identity ready to go. Plus he still has at least one weapon with him right? Nobody just walks around after a shooting open carrying a rifle. I think he had another vehicle in another location or an accomplice in a vehicle and was long gone. Either that or he is still in the woods, but I doubt it. That's usually the answer. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:45:17 AM EST
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I never called the rest of the site cop killers. Though we know for a fact that many people on this site have been banned for advocating the death of police. This site has changed since I joined and if you don't think that the anti-LE element is seen by people who read it you are in for a big surprise. It actually could be considered a valid question even though it is commonly used as a joke on the site and has been for a few years now. Which is how I meant to imply it. Sorry that you can't see the difference. Those giving you a hard time probably think Will Hayden is innocent too. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1665241_Have_you_ever_been_to_jail__Have_you_been_incarcerated_.html to say nothing of the traitor or the online kiddie predator. A site this big is going to have some bad apples. The killer might not be a team member. But It would be shocking if he were not at least a lurker based on his interest in airsoft, firearms, target shooting, and military uniforms. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:46:41 AM EST
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That's my point. I don't think he has been hunted in the woods for 5 days. I think he is either long gone or killed himself the day of the shooting after his jeep got stuck. ETA: The guy is also extremely dangerous. He obviously didn't shoot the cops and think "O shit what have I done". Instead he waited for first responders and fired on the ambulance. So we have a guy that thinks people should die, is probably well versed in small unit tactics even if he has no combat experience, probably studied E&E, planned it out, thought about it, and went all the way through with it. If he thinks he was justified in killing cops in the first place he wouldn't have any reason to kill himself if that view hasn't changed. So we now have a guy on the loose that we know is capable of killing people with aimed rifle fire and has openly expressed a desire to commit mass murder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at what he has done with his life, what his parents have said about him, and his actions. Maybe I'm reading way too much into it but I'm seeing a lot of contempt and smugness. If he isn't dead in the woods the little shit probably thinks he is going to get away with it. If he is still alive now I doubt that. He probably thought that at first but five days of being hunted in the woods after his plan fell apart has got to be demoralizing. I'm sure he realizes he's fucked. If he hasn't committed suicide. ETA: The guy is also extremely dangerous. He obviously didn't shoot the cops and think "O shit what have I done". Instead he waited for first responders and fired on the ambulance. So we have a guy that thinks people should die, is probably well versed in small unit tactics even if he has no combat experience, probably studied E&E, planned it out, thought about it, and went all the way through with it. If he thinks he was justified in killing cops in the first place he wouldn't have any reason to kill himself if that view hasn't changed. So we now have a guy on the loose that we know is capable of killing people with aimed rifle fire and has openly expressed a desire to commit mass murder. The shooting at the ambulance and 20-30 shots was incorrect initial reports. 4 shots in 90 seconds. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:48:39 AM EST
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Quote HistorySo only 4 shots. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:52:23 AM EST
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4 channel setup a lot of fake social media sites for crazy gunmen even facebook pages. I have no clue why they do it but they do, one of the sure signs of that is little or no timeline of pictures or events on the person's page
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:56:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryFrom earlier in the thread: 911 dispatches offer dramatic account of state trooper shooting at barracks in Pike County (audio) http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/09/pike_county_shootings_pa_state.html The timeline is based on audio recordings from Broadcastify.com of dispatches between paramedics and Pike County 911 operators. While the landing zone was being established, emergency responders reported having bullets fired at them and were forced to move the landing zone. 10:51 p.m. — Paramedics are first called to the state police barracks for a shooting. "There are two victims at this time," a dispatcher said. 10:53 p.m. — Dispatches reports: "Code 17-G," the code for a shooting, "multiple victims." 11:13 p.m. — Paramedics request helicopters to fly the shooting victims from the scene. Crews begin establishing "LZ [landing zone] for two helicopters" near intersection of Intersection 84 and Route 402 in Blooming Grove Township. "They are going to fly, they do have an 11 and 14 ETA [estimated time of arrival]." 11:17 p.m. — Dispatches make the call to shut down traffic along Route 402 between Route 6 and Interstate 84. 11:21 p.m. — Dispatches call for the landing zone to be established at Interstate 84 and Route 402 is rebroadcast. 11:23 p.m. — Paramedics are told there is a seven and 18 minute wait for the helicopters. 11:26 p.m. — Fire police setting up the landing zone at I-84 and Route 402 report: "We are under fire. We are moving the landing zone to the middle school." "We've received reports that you are under fire," a 911 dispatcher says. Landing zone is then moved to the Wallenpaupack Middle School on Atlantic Avenue, about eight miles away. 11:28 p.m. — "Nobody is to go down south of Route 402," a dispatcher says. 11:30 p.m. — "Do you have an ETA on the helicopter?" a paramedic says. 11:31 p.m. — Landing zone is established at the middle school. 11:35 p.m. — "I believe the second patient is going to be a 101," a paramedic says. The 101 code means "call the coroner." 11:46 p.m. — "One helicopter is on the ground; the other is right above us," a paramedic says. 11:52 p.m. — The second helicopter is on the ground. 11:54 p.m. — The first helicopter takes off for the Community Medical Center in Scranton. 12:03 a.m. — Second helicopter is still on the ground. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:59:31 AM EST
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Quit wondering. I would rather be in a mall. Or a theater. Or any other place miles away with lots of other people so there is no reason to get singled out. It is possible that he was set up, if he isn't found there is that slight chance that he is in a grave somewhere or in a pile of pig shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We have a guy more than likely armed with a long gun that has disappeared. People tend to not do that in the woods in the days of FLIR. I think you and I have a different understanding of FLIR's capabilities. I would think the woods would be exactly where one would like to be if being sought by people with FLIR on aircraft. I would rather be in a mall. Or a theater. Or any other place miles away with lots of other people so there is no reason to get singled out. It is possible that he was set up, if he isn't found there is that slight chance that he is in a grave somewhere or in a pile of pig shit. I think he will end up being a crazy commie loving loon,BUT,he would also make a good patsy. <tinfoil> Someone else did the shooting,buried him in a grave somewhere he won't be found,then left the jeep with all his ID so he could be identified easily.Manhunt goes on for awhile and slowly dwindles as there is no sign of him.<tinfoil off> |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:03:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never called the rest of the site cop killers. Though we know for a fact that many people on this site have been banned for advocating the death of police. This site has changed since I joined and if you don't think that the anti-LE element is seen by people who read it you are in for a big surprise. It actually could be considered a valid question even though it is commonly used as a joke on the site and has been for a few years now. Which is how I meant to imply it. Sorry that you can't see the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: I never called the rest of the site cop killers. Though we know for a fact that many people on this site have been banned for advocating the death of police. This site has changed since I joined and if you don't think that the anti-LE element is seen by people who read it you are in for a big surprise. It actually could be considered a valid question even though it is commonly used as a joke on the site and has been for a few years now. Which is how I meant to imply it. Sorry that you can't see the difference. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:09:43 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:22:57 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:25:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "I like to paint with a broad brush, but don't like it when others splatter paint on me" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I never called the rest of the site cop killers. Though we know for a fact that many people on this site have been banned for advocating the death of police. This site has changed since I joined and if you don't think that the anti-LE element is seen by people who read it you are in for a big surprise. It actually could be considered a valid question even though it is commonly used as a joke on the site and has been for a few years now. Which is how I meant to imply it. Sorry that you can't see the difference. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:28:00 AM EST
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Oh, it's a joke? A joke commonly tossed out in murdered-cop threads? I really don't see the humor in it. Maybe you can post it again later when you feel the time is "right."
BTW, unless you think that this site advocates killing LE and acts of mass murder why/how the fuck would you (even as a lame-ass joke) attribute something that vile to this site & its members. That really sucks.
The other guy who didn't edit his post probably thinks you're funny. Is he a cop too? Sad shit. Here's a mirror for you. Your own words. Once again I can admit that it wasn't proper to post it. Intune- It's not the impropriety, it's the outright condemnation of this site and its members couched in the thin veil of humor. A bad joke is explained away with, "sorry, not funny." An ulterior motive is evident when the response is, "sorry, not funny BUT everyone knows how far downhill this site has gone and how anti-LEO it is." Which explanation have you utilized? Hmmm..? I have no idea if that other guy is a cop. Why would it matter? Intune- It would begin to display an undercurrent of victim status/disparagement/lashing-out. I don't care what you find humor in and yes it is a joke. A joke that has been used all over this site for years in a ton of different types of threads. Intune- So... Are these jokes? BOOM! Headshot! Another one bites the dust! See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya! I bet he didn't see THAT coming! One shot, one kill. Do any of those strike you as remotely funny? Your "joke" was even worse. Yet, even though this isn't a Memorial Thread per se, any of the above "jokes" would be met by an incredible howling & gnashing of teeth. The torches and pitchfork armory would be laid bare in minutes. 
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I wonder what the shooters screen name is? Disgusting. Its a joke that has been used on this site for years. Good try though. I also edited it after another member mentioned to me that it might not be the right time.
You might want to look at page one post 10 it might help you out with your feigned outrage. link BTW where do you think the police got the idea that he had been making threats to kill LE and acts of mass murder? I bet he had plenty of accounts at multiple sites. Oh, it's a joke? A joke commonly tossed out in murdered-cop threads? I really don't see the humor in it. Maybe you can post it again later when you feel the time is "right."
BTW, unless you think that this site advocates killing LE and acts of mass murder why/how the fuck would you (even as a lame-ass joke) attribute something that vile to this site & its members. That really sucks.
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Why should I admit and agree to something that is extremely statistically less likely than some nutjob who wants to kill two cops because he hates authority or is pissed he got a speeding ticket? Is it impossible of course not. It certainly isn't the first thing I would post in a fresh thread, about a shot cop, with no info or intel. Most people have the common decency to post this or this or even this Why can't you admit that it is a shitty thing to say and that he was wrong for saying it and implying it? Based on his posting habits in the past and later in this thread it isn't out of line to call him out for a post like that IMO. Once again I can admit that it wasn't proper to post it. Intune- It's not the impropriety, it's the outright condemnation of this site and its members couched in the thin veil of humor. A bad joke is explained away with, "sorry, not funny." An ulterior motive is evident when the response is, "sorry, not funny BUT everyone knows how far downhill this site has gone and how anti-LEO it is." Which explanation have you utilized? Hmmm..? I have no idea if that other guy is a cop. Why would it matter? Intune- It would begin to display an undercurrent of victim status/disparagement/lashing-out. I don't care what you find humor in and yes it is a joke. A joke that has been used all over this site for years in a ton of different types of threads. Intune- So... Are these jokes? BOOM! Headshot! Another one bites the dust! See ya! Wouldn't want to be ya! I bet he didn't see THAT coming! One shot, one kill. Do any of those strike you as remotely funny? Your "joke" was even worse. Yet, even though this isn't a Memorial Thread per se, any of the above "jokes" would be met by an incredible howling & gnashing of teeth. The torches and pitchfork armory would be laid bare in minutes.
If your "joke" were simply a joke you wouldn't be posting anything associating anti-LEO sentiments with site. Yet, you continue to do so, hiding behind a big smile.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:29:55 AM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:36:14 AM EST
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Disgusting. Even though his comment was out of taste, what do you think posters mean by "it's coming" (or variations of it) on here? They're not talking about Jesus. Anytime some veiled threat like that is said, it does this site a diservice. Now, THAT is digusting. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:40:34 AM EST
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If your "joke" were simply a joke you wouldn't be posting anything associating anti-LEO sentiments with site. Yet, you continue to do so, hiding behind a big smile.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:43:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though his comment was out of taste, what do you think posters mean by "it's coming" (or variations of it) on here? They're not talking about Jesus. Anytime some veiled threat like that is said, it does this site a diservice. Now, THAT is digusting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Disgusting. Even though his comment was out of taste, what do you think posters mean by "it's coming" (or variations of it) on here? They're not talking about Jesus. Anytime some veiled threat like that is said, it does this site a diservice. Now, THAT is digusting. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:44:28 AM EST
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On Fox News site right now is a story about the shooter.
His father said "He is an excellent marksman that doesn't miss." And "a sniper training magazine was found inside his parent's home" where he lived until a few months ago. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/17/suspect-idd-in-pennsylvania-trooper-ambush-sharp-shooter-who-doesnt-miss/ From Fox News: The father of the suspect named in the ambush killing of a Pennsylvania state trooper told police his son is an excellent marksman who “doesn’t miss,” a police affidavit released Tuesday said. Hundreds of law enforcement officers fanned out across the dense northeastern Pennsylvania woods Tuesday as they tracked Eric Frein, a survivalist with two high-powered rifles and a grudge against police. Frein was identified by police as the gunman who killed one trooper and injured another in a late-night ambush outside a state police barracks. His father, Michael, a retired major in the U.S. Army with 28 years of service, told police that his son is an excellent marksman. The suspect lived about 20 miles from the ambush site and lived with his parents until a few months ago, Lehigh Valley Live reported. A sniper training magazine was reportedly found inside the parents' home. Frein, 31, of Canadensis, is "extremely dangerous" and residents in the area should be alert and cautious, State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan said at a news conference in which he revealed the suspect's name. "He has made statements about wanting to kill law enforcement officers and also to commit mass acts of murder," Noonan said. Frein was charged Tuesday with first-degree murder, homicide of a law enforcement officer and other offenses. About 200 law enforcement officials were combing the rural area of northeastern Pennsylvania marked by dense forest, but "we have no idea where he is," Noonan said. The gunman killed Cpl. Bryon Dickson, 38, and critically wounded Trooper Alex Douglass outside the barracks during a late-night shift change, then slipped away. The Times-Leader reported that surveillance cameras recorded the gunshots and the rescue to save the officers. Authorities were led to Frein after a resident who was walking his dog in a wooded area 2 miles from the barracks Monday spotted a 2001 Jeep lightly submerged in a pond and called 911. Police found shell casings inside the vehicle that matched those found at the shooting scene, Noonan said. Investigators also found Frein's Social Security card, a Pennsylvania Game Commission range permit, camouflage face paint, a black hooded sweatshirt, two empty rifle cases and military gear, Noonan said. Frein has held anti-law enforcement views for many years and has expressed them both online and to people who knew him, said Lt. Col. George Bivens. "This was not unexpected," Bivens said. "As we've interviewed a number of people, that's been the common theme. This was not a surprise." Three state police patrol cars were parked at Frein's parents' home, a well-kept two-story residence in a private community. Several other cars were in the driveway Tuesday afternoon. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:48:47 AM EST
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Would you two just fuck and get it over with.
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I never called the rest of the site cop killers. Though we know for a fact that many people on this site have been banned for advocating the death of police. This site has changed since I joined and if you don't think that the anti-LE element is seen by people who read it you are in for a big surprise. It actually could be considered a valid question even though it is commonly used as a joke on the site and has been for a few years now. Which is how I meant to imply it. Sorry that you can't see the difference.
I can't have two penguins in my life right now. Dealing with you is enough.
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