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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:11:32 AM EST
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not surprising. Transplants fail all the time.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:14:42 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:17:05 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:17:14 AM EST
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Do they get to re-use them? |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:18:56 AM EST
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Quoted: Do they get to re-use them? No. They are removed and then properly disposed of(incinerated). |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:19:13 AM EST
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wasn't this the girl who was low on the priority list because of the lower success rate for people that age? And want she bumped up to the top after publicity? No wonder they kept the failure a secret - someone else is going to die because they wasted a pair of lungs to appease the public.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:20:26 AM EST
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best wishes to her and her family.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:21:56 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:22:27 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are It's blunt and tactless, but true. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:26:05 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are It's blunt and tactless, but true. Tact has no place when it comes to who lives and who dies. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:27:14 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are What's classy about killing people for a girl that isn't going to make 20 anyway? |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:27:39 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are And the people who died when a former Governor jumped the line for his transplant? |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:27:57 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are Know how I know you have no idea what's going on here? |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:28:10 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. When you politicize healthcare, this is what you end up with. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:29:01 AM EST
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Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:29:59 AM EST
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Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. Oddly enough, THOUSANDS of other parents with children on transplant lists have not. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:30:41 AM EST
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Quoted: Organ transplants are the use of a commodity in a life and death market. If a Doctor has to make a decision that is going to equal someone lives/Quoted: That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are someone else dies, conscience seems to require that the Doctor make the decision that would give the person chosen to live the longest possible life, or at least longest chance at life. After all, someone else died to give them life. These decisions aren't made frivolously without understanding of the cost. At least, not until this case.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:31:25 AM EST
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Quoted: Sure. That's why we have medical people make medical decisions like what dying people get replacement organs. Nobody wants to black tarp their kid, but if it's gotta happen in the grand triage of organ transplant that's what happens. Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:34:08 AM EST
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And what happens when these lungs fail as well? I'll pray for that little girl, but the decisions made to appease her parents were fucking retarded...
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:34:56 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Ain't that the damned truth. Maybe somebody equally media savvy could post pictures of who DIDN'T get the lungs, were farther up the list, had a much better chance of success, and are now dead because of emotional bullshit. Cpt. Redleg |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:36:19 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are He's absolutely right. That girl just stole two people's lives. It's shameful. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:36:23 AM EST
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Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. True. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:39:32 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. if that was your little girl, think of the lengths you would go to enable her to live. if you don't have children, you have no idea what those lengths are. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:41:40 AM EST
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The only good thing that came out of this being brought to the spotlight was that everyone got to see how the Dept of HHS can make lots of healthcare decisions for the people in a blanket kind of way. This is only going to be exacerbated with the full implementation of Obamacare.
That being said, there's a reason why the adult lungs were going to adults first. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:44:12 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. if that was your little girl, think of the lengths you would go to enable her to live. if you don't have children, you have no idea what those lengths are. Oh I'm not denying that; what I'm lamenting is the media who carried the story without providing all of the facts to the legions of mindless knee-jerk bleeding-hearts. I guess at this stage I should expect nothing less out of the fourth column. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:44:37 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. if that was your little girl, think of the lengths you would go to enable her to live. if you don't have children, you have no idea what those lengths are. This is the problem right here. This exact statement shows how people project their emotion to a situation where emotion clouds judgement. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:44:46 AM EST
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Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. True. you might want to. but if a very large percentage did it, people would quickly not give a damn. it would desensitize you to their problems, if you saw 20 people begging for organs on facebook everytime you logged in. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:45:10 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. if that was your little girl, think of the lengths you would go to enable her to live. if you don't have children, you have no idea what those lengths are. Donate your lungs then. Very close friend gave up one of her kidneys to save her mom. Didn't go whining to the media or politicians |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:48:24 AM EST
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Didn't go whining to the media or politicians Those are the problems, not the mom. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:48:55 AM EST
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We can't save everyone, death is part of life.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 6:49:06 AM EST
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Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. True. I would have to agree with this, BUT this is why doctors need to make decisions not courts and the media, or politicians. Yes, doctors can fuck things up just as judges and politicians, but most have the patients best care at heart not politcal motives. On the news I heard that she had a 1 in 1,000,000 chnace that the first lung transplant would work. What are the odds in general? IMy thought is, if she had a 1 in a million chance that seems to me as a waste of a pair of lungs, no guarantee in transplants but those seem like long odds. Now she is on lung set number two, and they have/had pneunomia, honest question here---Is she the best candidate at this point, she is weakened from a major huge operation a few days earlier, maybe a person not quite as sick would have done better with lung set number two? |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:11:24 AM EST
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When you politicize healthcare, this is what you end up with. Welcome to my world. Politicians are making medical practice a nightmare. The regulations get more Byzantine every year, with diminishing reimbursements tied to arbitrary goals that don't always help patient care. Many white-coat political appointee doctors to advisory panels are so far removed from the trenches that they get consumed by groupthink. The limousine liberal physicians work in an entirely different world, which has led to some interesting dinner conversations between my siblings. One of my sisters fits that mold, and is happy to tell her "working class physician" siblings how things should be done. Here's one example of .gov making medicine pear-shaped: The government-mandated electronic health record systems are still not robust enough for widespread use, yet everyone is transitioning to them. Why? Because they used a carrot and stick approach - first the carrot of incentive money, now the stick of withholding money. Rushed EMR integration leads to downtime, lost productivity, and possible jeopardy to patient safety. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:13:14 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are No it is actually a harsh truth. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:14:11 AM EST
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Wrong. All of it.
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:16:08 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. I hope you never have to go thru what this family has to. Deleted the rest, cause it's not worth it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:20:01 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. I hope you never have to go thru what this family has to. Deleted the rest, cause it's not worth it. He is talking about more viable candidates on the transplant list that lost out. 
I hope you deleted the rest because it made no fucking sense. 
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:21:47 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are And the people who died when a former Governor jumped the line for his transplant? Well those suckers just need a better PR department |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:22:59 AM EST
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Sure. That's why we have medical people make medical decisions like what dying people get replacement organs. Nobody wants to black tarp their kid, but if it's gotta happen in the grand triage of organ transplant that's what happens.
Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. You do realize it was her doctors that wanted her to get the transplant. You know, "medical people." Maybe they should have relied on the keen intellect of ARFCOM. Yep, that must be the point of failure. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:23:21 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. When you politicize healthcare, this is what you end up with. Ayup. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:23:24 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. I hope you never have to go thru what this family has to. Deleted the rest, cause it's not worth it. So two people don't get a possible transplant because this little girl is somehow more important than all the others on the transplant this? She GOT TWO different sets of lungs when there were many who were waiting for longer because her mother played the feel good card. I feel for this child but you don't jump to the front because of "feel"
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:23:32 AM EST
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Quoted: Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. This too. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:23:39 AM EST
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If Obama had a cracka daughter
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:26:24 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. I hope you never have to go thru what this family has to. Deleted the rest, cause it's not worth it. He is talking about more viable candidates on the transplant list that lost out.
I hope you deleted the rest because it made no fucking sense. This. The courts should never have been involved in this. Just because someone donated their organs doesn't mean the organs should be used foolishly. I have kids and I pray for that little girl but this is a perfect example of why government should stay out of health care decisions. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:28:01 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are Yes, he is. Add to that being honest and accurate. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:28:03 AM EST
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As a father I would have fought tooth and nail for my daughter.
Right or wrong, I would have done the same thing. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:31:44 AM EST
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Quoted: rolleyes.Quoted: That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. pure class you are |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:31:44 AM EST
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As a father I would have fought tooth and nail for my daughter. Right or wrong, I would have done the same thing. Of course... Everyone would. That's why we have a system that is designed to prevent this kind of lobbying. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:32:18 AM EST
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Every last person here would do the same for their kid that this mother did. Fair or not, you would fucking do the same thing. No. Some people have a reasonable chance and some don't. But, I do understand that some are so selfish they cannot be reasonable. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:33:52 AM EST
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That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. I hope you never have to go thru what this family has to. Deleted the rest, cause it's not worth it. He is talking about more viable candidates on the transplant list that lost out.
I hope you deleted the rest because it made no fucking sense. Admittedly, I mis-read AKE's post. My apologies. |
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Posted: 6/29/2013 7:34:09 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's two people killed for emotional bullshit. Yep. Someone else loses their chance--actually TWO people lost their chances--because of the media-savvy mother. There's always more to the story. if that was your little girl, think of the lengths you would go to enable her to live. if you don't have children, you have no idea what those lengths are. Oh I'm not denying that; what I'm lamenting is the media who carried the story without providing all of the facts to the legions of mindless knee-jerk bleeding-hearts. I guess at this stage I should expect nothing less out of the fourth column. They had a narrative, and they were sticking to it. Truth be damned. We were told the surgery was a success and that she was in a medically induced coma the very next day and the days that followed. |
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